Liveblogging: The new Imperial Congress votes on Pelosicare; Update: Female Democrats turn House resolution process into circus; GOP responds; Obama rallies weakened Dems; will Stupak amendment stick?

The House is now in a rare Saturday session for the government health care takeover ram down.
Welcome to the new Imperial Congress.
Keep a close eye on the vulnerable Democrats listed here by USA Today. Here is their current tally of House Dems voting no:
The New York Daily News has just published a statement from hometown Rep. Michael McMahon, D-N.Y. He’s in the no column. “I believe the net negatives of this bill outweight the positive effects,” McMahon says.
Five of those announcements came today. All of the lawmakers who announced opposition cited concerns about the price tag of the legislation, estimated by the Congressional Budget Office to be more than $1 trillion over 10 years.
“After months of thoroughly reviewing legislative proposals and speaking with constituents and stakeholders, I am not satisfied that this bill before us is a sustainable solution,” said Rep. Frank Kratovil, D-Md. Alert readers will remember that he was the congressman hung in effigy during the height of the August town hall meeting uproar.
The other three Democratic freshmen from McCain districts who announced their opposition to the health care bill Friday are: Reps. Bobby Bright of Alabama, Walt Minnick of Idaho, and Suzanne Kosmas of Florida. Two who announced their opposition earlier: Reps. Travis Childers of Mississippi and Parker Griffith of Alabama. All but Griffith have announced their opposition since Election Day, when Democrats suffered humiliating defeats in the New Jersey and Virginia governors races.
Still on the fence: Reps. Tom Perriello, D-Va., John Boccieri, D-Ohio, Ann Kirkpatrick, D-Ariz., Betsy Markey, D-Colo., and Harry Teague, D-N.M.
Ed Morrissey notes Pelosi’s last-minute agreement to allow pro-life Democrat Bart Stupak to bring his federal abortion funding ban to the floor today.
House Republicans will hold a second Operation House Call protest event today at 1pm Eastern. If you are in D.C., stand with them.
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9:20am Eastern. 1minute speeches.
* Democrat Rep. Jackie Speier crows that Pelosicare will let “children” stay on their parents’ insurance until they are 27. Yeah, culture of entitlement!
*Democrat Rep. Tim Ryan says “Freedom means being healthy in America.” Gad.
*GOP Rep. Joe Pitts confirms that one pro-life amendment — Stupak, Pitts, etc.-sponsored bipartisan amendment — will be heard on the floor, preserving the status quo and codifying the Hyde Amendment to prevent federal health care subsidies for abortion.
Update 10:41am Eastern. GOP Rep Tom Price says the final vote looks it will take place at 6pm Eastern. House is taking care of other business right now. Then there will be a vote on motion to proceed on govt health care debate. There will reportedly be 1 hour of debate; unspecified time set aside to debate GOP alternative; vote on Stupak amendment; then final vote.
Update 10:44am Eastern. Dem. Rep. Slaughter brings House Res. 903 for a vote on rules for debate on HR 3962, the Pelosicare health care takeover.
Greg Mueller tweets that Obama will meet Dems at 11am at the Cannon House building. His sources tell him Dems still don’t have the votes.
Update 11:06am Eastern. A parade of female Democrats are using the House resolution process to play the gender card on Pelosicare and eat into general debate time through unanimous consent requests. GOP Reps are objecting. Chair John Dingell shutting up GOP reps. Repubs want an extension of an hour on debate to balance the female Dem circus.
A female Republican rep is objecting. Dingell is ignoring her.
GOP Rep. Culberson asks for extension of an hour on debate. Request ignored.
GOP Rep Tom Price points out that unanimous requests must not include significant embellishments. Dingell disputes him and then ignores Price’s further parliamentary inquiry.
GOP Rep Burton objects to female Dems’ embellished unanimous consent orders.
We need GOP Rep Michele Bachmann, Marsha Blackburn, and all other GOP women on the floor now.
Now.
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Update 1130am Eastern. The female Democrat parade continues. Dingell finally, lamely, chides Dem Rep Slaughter that her parade needs to limit its unanimous consent request embellishments. They ignore him. He will now charge Slaughter time.
Female Dems end their parade with a Democrat screeching about domestic violence. Finally ruled out of order.
GOP women finally lined up to file their own unanimous consent requests.
Dingell immediately rules a GOP woman out of order.
Dingell repeatedly admonishes GOP women for their statements when he allowed the parade of female Dems to spew freely.
GOP Rep. Virginia Foxx pushes back against “this exercise of tyranny by the majority.”
Dingell rules her out of order. He’s charging GOP Rep. Pete Sessions’ time now.
GOP men now on floor with their unanimous consent requests.
GOP Rep. Dan Burton carries entire 1900-page bill with him. “I hope I don’t get a hernia.” Tells Dems to read the bill before voting on it.
Dem Rep. Slaughter bemoans the “extremists” who protested govt-run health care yesterday at the Capitol. Says they “threatened” Democrats.
Slaughter laments past defeats of massive government intervention. Relives “Harry and Louise” ads. Plays the gender card again. Slaughter invokes Kennedy.
Update 11:53am Eastern. GOP resumes unanimous consent requests. Dingell continues charging Rs times.
Update 12:44pm Eastern. Obama visited the Hill to rally weakened Dems. He told them to stand on the “right side of history.”
Er, that would be the LEFT side of history.
Reports are that final vote has been delayed until at least 10:30pm Eastern.
Update: 1:02pm Eastern. House is now taking two procedural votes. After those, it’s on to four hours of floor debate before final vote.
Here is a list of undecideds. Get to work!
Update 3:50pm Eastern. Here is the latest no count on Dems.
GOP Rep. Chris Smith on floor urging adoption of Stupak amendment: “Abortion is neither health care nor reform.”
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Update 4:15pm Eastern. Hmmm…
Rep. Stupak: Health care has the votes whether anti-abortion amendment passes or fails. Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) told reporters that regardless of the outcome of the vote on his amendment, which would severely restrict coverage of reproductive health issues, the House health care bill is headed for passage. He is whipping support for the amendment and estimates he has 225 votes. If he’s right, the amendment will pass, and he predicted enough pro-life Democrats will vote yes on the final bill to put it over the top. But if it fails, he said, enough pro-lifers will have been satisfied to have had their vote on the floor that they’ll turn around and support the final bill anyway.
Update 4:45pm Eastern. Boehner exposes phoniness of Stupak amendment. Asks Rangel if it passes, will Ds guarantee that it stays in the final bill.
Rangel snottily says that such a guarantee might be an ethics violation.
Yes, Rangel balking at possible “ethics” violation.
Chutzpah.
Key issue now: Will pro-life Dems go along with the Kabuki Stupak amdnt vote knowing that the federal abortion ban will not survive negotiations?
Here is the Rangel-Boehner exchange via Gateway Pundit’s Jim Hoft:
Karl at the Green Room looks at the gamesmanship over the Stupak amendment.
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Via reader Kathy, here’s a handy phone/fax list for Blue Dog Dems:
Altmire, Jason (PA-04) Phone: (202) 225-2565 Fax: (202) 226-2274
Arcuri, Mike (NY-24) Phone: (202) 225-3665 Fax: (202) 225-1891
Baca, Joe (CA-43) Phone: (202) 225-6161 Fax: (202) 225-8671
Barrow, John (GA-12) Phone: (202) 225-2823 Fax: (202) 225-3377
Berry, Marion (AR-01) Phone: (202) 225-4076 Fax: (202) 225-5602
Bishop, Sanford (GA-02) Phone: (202) 225-3631 Fax: (202) 225-2203
Boren, Dan (OK-02) Phone: (202) 225-2701 Fax: (202) 225-3038
Boswell, Leonard (IA-03) Phone: (202) 225-3806 Fax: (202) 225-5608
Boyd, Allen (FL-02) Phone: (202) 225-5235 Fax: (202) 225-5615
Bright, Bobby (AL-02) Phone: (202) 225-2901 Fax: (202) 225-8913
Cardoza, Dennis (CA-18) Phone: (202) 225-6131 Fax: (202) 225-0819
Carney, Christopher (PA-10) Phone: (202) 225-3731 Fax: (202) 225-9594
Chandler, Ben (KY-06) Phone: (202) 225-4706 Fax: (202) 225-2122
Childers, Travis (MS-01) Phone: (202) 225-4306 Fax: (202) 225-3549
Cooper, Jim (TN-05) Phone: (202) 225-4311 Fax: (202) 226-1035
Costa, Jim (CA-20) Phone: (202) 225-3341 Fax: (202) 225-9308
Cuellar, Henry (TX-28) Phone: (202) 225-1640 Fax: (202) 225-1641
Dahlkemper, Kathy (PA-03) Phone: (202) 225-5406 Fax: (202) 225-3103
Davis, Lincoln (TN-04) Phone: (202) 225-6831 Fax: (202) 226-5172
Donnelly, Joe (IN-02) Phone: (202) 225-3915 Fax: (202) 225-6798
Ellsworth, Brad (IN-08) Phone: (202) 225-4636 Fax: (202) 225-3284
Giffords, Gabrielle (AZ-08) Phone: (202) 225-2542 Fax: (202) 225-0378
Gordon, Bart (TN-06) Phone: (202) 225-4231 Fax: (202) 225-6887
Griffith, Parker (AL-05) Phone: (202) 225-4801 Fax: (202) 225-4392
Harman, Jane (CA-36) Phone: (202) 225-8220 Fax: (202) 226-7290
Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie (SD) Phone: (202) 225-2801 Fax: (202) 225-5823
Hill, Baron (IN-09) Phone: (202) 225-5315 Fax: (202) 226-6866
Holden, Tim (PA-17) Phone: (202) 225-5546 Fax: (202) 226-0996
Kratovil, Jr., Frank (MD-01) Phone: (202) 225-5311 Fax: (202) 225-0254
McIntyre, Mike (NC-07) Phone: (202) 225-2731 Fax: (202) 225-5773
Marshall, Jim (GA-08) Phone: (202) 225-6531 Fax: (202) 225-3013
Matheson, Jim (UT-02) Phone: (202) 225-3011 Fax: (202) 225-5638
Melancon, Charlie (LA-03) Phone: (202) 225-4031 Fax: (202) 226-3944
Michaud, Mike (ME-02) Phone: (202) 225-6306 Fax: (202) 225-2943
Minnick, Walt (ID-01) Phone: (202) 225-6611 Fax: (202) 225-3029
Mitchell, Harry (AZ-05) Phone: (202) 225-2190 Fax: (202) 225-3263
Moore, Dennis (KS-03) Phone: (202) 225-2865 Fax: (202) 225-2807
Murphy, Patrick (PA-08) Phone: (202) 225-4276 Fax: (202) 225-9511
Nye, Glenn (VA-02) Phone: (202) 225-4215 Fax: (202) 225-4218
Peterson, Collin (MN-07) Phone: (202) 225-2165 Fax: (202) 225-1593
Pomeroy, Earl (ND) Phone: (202) 225-2611 Fax: (202) 226-0893
Ross, Mike (AR-04) Phone: (202) 225-3772 Fax: (202) 225-1314
Salazar, John (CO-03) Phone: (202) 225-4761 Fax: (202) 226-9669
Sanchez, Loretta (CA-47) Phone: (202) 225-2965 Fax: (202) 225-5859
Schiff, Adam (CA-29) Phone: (202) 225-4176 Fax: (202) 225-5828
Scott, David (GA-13) Phone: (202) 225-2939 Fax: (202) 225-4628
Shuler, Heath (NC-11) Phone: (202) 225-6401 Fax: (202) 226-6422
Space, Zack (OH-18) Phone: (202) 225-6265 Fax: (202) 225-3394
Tanner, John (TN-08) Phone: (202) 225-4714 Fax: (202) 225-1765
Taylor, Gene (MS-04) Phone: (202) 225-5772 Fax: (202) 225-7074
Thompson, Mike (CA-01) Phone: (202) 225-3311 Fax: (202) 225-4335
Wilson, Charles (OH-06) Phone: (202) 225-5705
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With any luck, Nancy Pelosi will have her Waterloo. My fingers are crossed.
I’m biting my nails.
Even Pelosi is not dumb enough to call a vote when she doesn’t have the votes. Dem leaders must have a few spare votes they can count on if they need them. Hope they get surprised but I doubt it.
I’m afraid this monstrosity is going to pass. Time to move what little remains of my savings out of the country and into tangibles. We’re going to tank.
verogolfer, that was my thought as well and said so on the other hread. But at what point do we drive the stake through this monster and call it a day?
We are so screwed.
yep.
Betsy McCaughey at the WSJ has an opinion piece with just a few of the great rules contained in the bill.
What the Pelosi Health-Care Bill Really Says
It will chill your blood if you love freedom.
Unbelievable. Who would have thought we’d see the destruction of our nation in our lifetimes?
The Soviet Union couldn’t bury us. Osama Obama, Pelosi, Hoyer and the rest of the America-hating goons in D.C., the traitors in our midst can, and apparently will.
have no fear when we become part of the NWO…you won’t have anywhere “your” money is safe…they will find it and take what they think “you” don’t need…./sarc…
pray and flood the lines and fax machines!!!! remember to tell them you will work tirelessly to unseat them!!! you will ensure all your family works tirelessly to unseat them, your friends will work tirelessly to unseat them if they vote for the crap!!!!
This woman is crazy enough to do anything.All we can hope for is that enough in congress will exercise some good sense and vote it down.
Not one word about the CONSTITUTIONALITY of the Bill, not one word about the attack on the autonomy of the American people. My country needs a Great Cleansing and re awakening as to our constitutional history and history of the founding. Rep. Michael McMahon’s cowardice does not impress. I am sure the Leadership can provide him his 30 pieces of silver.
Waterloo? Not bad
BE GONE sounds nice too
Ann Kirkpatrick, D-Ariz.
Whatever consolation it is, I’m trying to call the Congressional Switchboard and it’s been busy…
Ooh, wait…ringing…ringing…ringing…ringing…
Still ringing….
Ring…
Ring…
Ring…
Ring…etc., etc.
Disconnect beep.
Damn.
Il Duce Pelos, dingy Harry and their sidekick Obama, have killed the Republic . . . now it’s every man and woman for themselves.
How can a few corrupt people in DC destroy an entire FREE REPUBLIC??? There HAS to be some way to stop these traitors!!!
I am now hearing that Pelosi is allowing speeches for taking Federal funding for abortions out of the bill. I thought they have been insisting that was NOT IN THE BILL IN THE FIRST PLACE. They lie, steal, cheat, anything they can do to destroy us. The only reason that botox bitc# is offering her “olive branch” is to get more votes for the bill. I despise that horrible creature!!
We all know this bill is not the final one anyway. The abortion amendment will be snuck in at the last minute, after they have fooled the idiots into voting for it. What kind of morons do we have in congress anyway??
By the way, if this passes, and they put in funding for abortions, I WILL increase my deductions in order to lower my taxes. If millions of us do that, there will be a huge impact.
Ragspierre…where are you???
Pass or not, make sure you tell everyone you meet what is going on.
You sure can’t count on the most of the media for any information. With the noted and appreciated exception of Fox News.
Make damn sure that everyone remembers next November.
Would that be our recourse? Could we mobilize to take this to court and have it ruled unconstitutional?
I love this bill. I love this whole health care take over attempt. The longer it goes on the better. We on the right could not have used any imaginable way to exposed the left in the fashion that they have exposed themselves.
Its a great time for our democracy and our future.
After this vote they will all scater and hide but the American people should storm the homes of anyone voting for this because it is not a vote for healthcare but for the destruction of our country. Every member that votes for this should be run out of the country. Actually, what should happen I can’t put on here but you get the idea.
Bravo!! Those words of optimism are very much needed right now. And a very nice birthday gift to me!! Thanks!
Yep. That’s what they want to do with those who voted for marriage in Maine; and that’s not going to destroy the country in the way this bill will.
Show up. Make noise. Don’t let them forget they work for us.
I still don’t know. Although I read the AMA might withdraw its endorsement over controversy.
It is possible the thing will fail you know? How great will that be. In fact IF it looks like it will fail they won’t have a vote to avoid the embarassment.
Anything they do now can be undone later.
The way the Republicans acted the last few election cycles there was hardly any separation between the parties. We were hoping the Republicans would start to wake up and regain their conservative philosophy and create that separation. Who woulda thought the left would turn into socialist and marxist OPENLY and create the separation themselves.
Really amazing time and God certainly answers prayer.
Watching this congress reminds me of what it is like living in USSR or another communist country. The law is ignored and the elites do what they want to please themselves. The citizens (peasants) be darned.
I just spoke with Rep. Jason Altmire’s office in DC. “…he has not announced his position at this time…”. I respectfully offered my preference that Congressman Altmire vote NO on the rule governing debate AND vote NO on the Pelosi bill.
My suggestion to all who visit here, please contact the Washington office of your representative and express yourselves!
Happy Birthday happy…..
And you are welcome.
I don’t know why folks are all hand wringing over this thing. It is great news and I couldn’t have asked for more in terms of something to open people’s eyes and bring the conservative philosophy back into play. Really good show Mrs. Pelosi. I mean really good show.
If she fails my best guess is she will lose her leadership position too. Talk about folks who will cannibalize the weak…..
A great time to be an American.
Gotta wonder what will rise from the ashes at Fort Hood. So sad. One of those young female soldiers was pregnant. Why would he kill a young female enlisted person? My heart is broken for them all.
Jihad what a concept.
“living in USSR or another communist country”
I’m thinking Keystone Cops myself.
first you’d have to find a judge that even knows what the Constitituion is and then one that actually believes in it and then hope that the libtards at SCOTUS agree that it is “unconstitutional” or even agree to hear any cases on it….it’ll be a huge fight that’s for sure….
throw them all out!!!! every single one of them….and refresh the bunch again when those come up for re-election….term limits folks, we can do it by simply voting out all incumbents!!!
I am also amazed and quite pleased that the dude from NY-23 has already broken campaign promises. Wish I could say it is hard to believe but its not and again what a great thing to see in terms of the next election and how he has helped conservatives.
He has done great damage to himself, liberals in NY-23 and in doing so has helped conservatives greatly AND the bill is likely to go no where. What a great display of a goofy thought process.
Your modern day Democrat.
“throw them all out!!!! every single one of them.”
No thank you.
Check out Drudge, the photo of Nancy shows this has aged the Ma’am Senator, or she just needs a Botox refill.
If it is true that folks have to pay into this wonderful bill for $15K or face jail time…well, the jails will be even more crowded: The Pelosi/Reid Gulags.
Let us all hope (and pray) that this bill is an epic fail and exit dance for the likes of Pelosi and Reid. Hopefully the Senate will stop it cold, if they find the votes in the House. USSR is right,graysonret.
“$15K or face jail time…”
I’m thinking there a a bunch of lawyers out there whose life goal is to try and win a case at the Supreme Court who are just begging for passage of legislation such as that.
“she just needs a Botox refill”
I think she has gotten to the point where there isn’t enough botox anymore.
Silly Putty is probably the next step.
Just sent another fax blast to the all the azzhole puppy dogs, plus many others.
I’ve got about 14 different created. They get two a day for the last week.
“USSR is right”
Come on now. USSR? Isn’t that a bit much? Yes the bill sucks. Yes Obama has surrounded himself with socialist and marxist. Yes many on the left are socialist and marxist. Yes moveon.org, and others, is socialist and marxist.
Yes the New York Times is socialist.
Doesn’t mean everyone is. Doesn’t mean this is the USSR.
Balance boys, balance……
So now the minimum is $15k/year? Okay, that’s about $1250/month. Guess what? That’s less than one of my husband’s paychecks.
Lovely.
See you all in jail.
On November 7th, 2009 at 9:56 am, jsmiddleton4 said:
It is possible the thing will fail you know? How great will that be. In fact IF it looks like it will fail they won’t have a vote to avoid the embarassment.
Anything they do now can be undone later.
Ha! Although he only won his seat by defeating Republican Virgil Goode with a margin of 648 votes, I’d be shocked if he didn’t back PelosiCare. He’s a co-founder of Avaaz dot org (emphasis mine):
Avaaz.org was co-founded by Res Publica, a global civic advocacy group, and Moveon.org, an online community that has pioneered internet advocacy in the United States. Our co-founding team was also composed of a group of global social entrepreneurs from 6 countries, including our Executive Director Ricken Patel, Tom Perriello, Tom Pravda, Eli Pariser, Andrea Woodhouse, Jeremy Heimans, and David Madden. Avaaz is lucky to have the founding partnership and support of leading activist organizations from around the world, including the Service Employees International Union, a founding partner of Avaaz, GetUp.org.au, and many others.
Moreover, via Res Publica, this group is associated with the Ruckus Society and the Yes Men (who staged the phony global warming stunt with the Chamber of Commerce), George Soros’ O.S.I., and John Podesta of the C.A.P. (who is on their “advisory board”). Perriello is active with their “progressive” “faith” initiatives.
I’m going down to the Capitol today for House Call II.
It didn’t take very long, NY23 democrat Bill Owens has reversed on
fourthree campaign promises he duped NY 23rd voters into believing concerning health care ‘reform’.Bill Owens LIED to NY23 voters saying he opposed cutting Medicare benefits.
Bill Owens LIED to NY23 voters saying he opposed taxing health care benefits.
Bill Owens LIED to NY23 voters saying he opposed increasing taxes on the middle class.
Bill Owens LIED his way into office. Nothing new here to see, move along…
JT,
“They get two a day for the last week.”
Please continue. Anyone doing the same please continue. But do you think the folks in Washington don’t know how we citizens feel? They aren’t ignorant to our point of view. They get it. They don’t care. The left has a chance in both environmental laws and the health care bill to take over running our lives. To them the end justifies the means. IF they can get to running our lives and it cost them a few representatives, Senators and even the President in the short run it that is a worthy sacrifice to accomplish the bigger goal of giving a core of folks the power to run our lives.
Fax away. Please do. But if you think the problem is folks in DC just don’t know how you feel, you don’t understand what is going on.
George Soros has paid a bazillion dollars to create this opportunity for himself. This is the left’s big chance, the perfect storm if you will.
Which is why it is also such good news in terms of exposing the left, their intentions and who is behind them.
I really, really, REALLY WISH that you and others would quit calling it Pelosicare and start calling it Pelosi/Obamacare!
It seems like kinda letting Obama off the hook on this. Is there ANY doubt Obama’s handlers are in on this or haven’t been in on the writing of this sneak attack on America?
This Imperial process reminds me of the Japanese Imperial process called Pearl Harbor!
Thanks for the forum!
If this very bad piece of legislation passes today I fear what will become of our nation. I have never heard so much open talk about armed insurrection/rebellion on a military installation in my life over this particular issue along with the Cap and Trade crap sandwich being worked up in the Senate. The failure of ‘dear leader’ to make a decision on Afghanistan, the attack at Ft Hood (along with his comments) didn’t do much to improve morale either.
I guess we will all be meeting in the Gulags unable to afford the $15K annual policy fees that will be impossed on this nations producers.
#1)Millions of Americans let themselves be put in the position of McCain/Hussein
#2) Yes there is-you, me, us
by one means or another.
Perhaps UN District 4 North
“actually signed into law it will never be undone”
Sorry but that is not the case. And secondly no one knows what the future would hold.
Speculation is one thing. Counting on that speculation as certainty is another.
Conservatives win the Congress in 2010 not only will stuff not get passed stuff can be put on hold until 2012.
There is no reason for doom and gloom.
There is plenty of reason to get involved in conservative campaigns and candidates, get busy, get folks elected who will over turn stuff.
Would you like to meet at Denny’s outside of DC and discuss it?
“If this very bad piece of legislation passes”
What is happening today, or whenever it happens, is not putting anything into play. So again lets not get too worked up here folks. The sky is not falling.
“an entire FREE REPUBLIC???”
Happy, find the folks in your area who you can work for to help get elected in 2010 and 2012. The entire free republic is not going to be destroyed.
one last note Sam, bring ur shotgun. It’s polecat season and I’ve heard there’s a lot of polecat’s in DC this time of year.
Dude, I’d like to know what you’re smoking. I know I can’t afford it, but it must give a good buzz!
Good enough for you to be totally blind to the ugly truth that this government does not give a damn what anyone outside its own exclusive, America-hating club cares about.
You go on and on with the brave talk about how this will ensure the defeat of the Democrat thugs in ’10. Nonsense. That’s like saying Lenin and his gang had to fear elections in 1918.
As far as Osama Obama, Pelosi and the rest are concerned, the Constitution says what they want it to say. If they can violate it so carelessly now, what makes you think they will allow it to be used against them next year?
My kitchen is not on fire YET so I shall throw out the fire extinguisher and cancel my insurance. If my kitchen does catch fire I shall buy a fire extinguisher and insurance. No need to be hasty.
Perhaps “doom and gloom” is too much right now–hate and contempt is called for though.
Probably gulags. Too expensive to build jails. We aren’t the USSR yet, but we’re heading in that direction, if congress and Obama feel they can get away with more. You’ll know it, when Obama declares a food emergency and sends us all out to collective farms, with a 5-year plan.
“You go on and on with the brave talk about how this will ensure the defeat of the Democrat thugs in ‘10. Nonsense. That’s like saying Lenin and his gang had to fear elections in 1918.”
And if you think that kind of exaggeration will help educate people to the value of conservative political philosophy so these socialist leftist will both be tossed out of office in 2010/2012 AND never be elected again you are kidding yourself.
We on the right are also a crossroad. We can be the adults, get back to how Ronald Reagan educated citizens about why the conservative way of governing is the best shot all citizens have for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness OR we can get caught up in the nonsensical drama of claiming we are the USSR and going to all be in gulags.
Its time to get busy. Educate folks and the electorate. Work for conservative politicians. Stay alert. Think things through and pay attention. It is not a time for doom and gloom and woe is us, we’re soon to be Stalinist.
“That’s like saying Lenin and his gang had to fear elections in 1918.”
So the State of Virginia going totally Republican in all 3 top positions means what?
We need to come together and start mini-bundling (my new term). Donate directly to their conservative opponents.
For example, if you have only $100 to give for 2010. let’s ID the easiest liberals to take out. Give $5 each to the 20 best. Let’s also ID the best time to give one month out, three weeks out etc.,
I’m going to need your help, ID’ing conservatives for 2010. I’ve been asking certain candidates if they believe what was written in Liberty and Tyranny by Mark Levin. Liberty and Tyranny is my political bible.
I’ve got a domain. It will be a blog. It will be our blog. I need a few weeks to get it rolling.
Thank you.
JT
http://www.supportconservatives.org
Have been burning up the cell minutes this morning calling offices. Advice: Go to Hugh Hewitt and call the offices directly, he has the numbers there to bypass the switchboard.
A few staffers were rude, saying essentially “call your own congressman” then click.
Jason Altmire (my former district in PA) had ad brain dead staffer who when I told her about how if I choose NOT to purchase health insurance I am now a criminal, facing fines and jail time, rather naively laughed and said, “That Doesn’t make you a criminal sir.” To which I responded, well then who do we put in jail and have courts levy fines against?” Brain dead.
Jim Cooper is still undeided (office let me talk) as is Loretta Sanchez, whose staffer listened to what I had to say.
Keep burning up the phones people._
They can pass any danged thing they want, but anyone with a 3rd grade level in math knows we can’t pay for it. All these bills are coming due and there is no way we can stroke the check. Employment is still falling which means we cannot benefit from their taxes. So, the question remains: who’s going to pay for healthcare and crap/tax?
This is hilarious….how low can Congress’s ratings go?
That’s a good idea JT. I heard Hannity talking yesterday that his web site is going to be a resource for local elections and conservative candidates. You’ll be able to click on your location and see who is and I guess who is not a conservative.
Anyone else go all bold suddenly?
Well now suddenly not bold. Weird.
Objection fest ’09. I love it.
js – yep, mine went bold too? I liked it though, was it good for everybody else? Got my little temper up enough to send another nasty gram.
I’ve been calling Congress this morning and had to come here to calm down after I just got in a big argument with Chandler’s office. I got a NO from Ross (AR) and Kosmas (FL). But everytime I get asked where I’m calling from it aggravates me. I try being cute and saying “the middle class – but I won’t be for long if this passes” or “from the United States – I’m a citizen and a taxpayer”. But sometimes they press me. Need to figure out how to answer them without getting fired up. I guess for now I’ll just hang up. After all, that’s what a lefty would do.
GOP objecting to each request for unanimous consent….Chaos has ensued…heh
All circuits are busy at the Congressional Switchboard
Mine was all bold too. I Didn’t like it.
The real hope of stopping the bill is in demonstrating to all of our representatives that this issue is NOT a Republican versus Democrat objection. The PEOPLE do not approve of it beyond the political ideaology. No one approves of the bill, and you Democrat or Republican will be held responsible for its passage.
John Dingell is struggling to maintain control.
John Dingell is struggling.
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HI BOOMER–10:23. I feel a lot like you do–this is the first time in my 68 years of life that I feel the communist takeover of our country could be imminent. The Jimmy Carter years were bad–but this is a lot worse.
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Your comment on Comrade Obama’s (PBUH) creepy speech on the Ft. Hood JIHADI ATTACK was right on target. He kept prattling on about past abuses of Indian rights–and apologized some more for them. Then a rambling half-hearted insincere few minutes on the murders.
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However, I think the military will still follow all lawful orders of the President. And I think the American People will vote out these “democrat” / liberal / socialist / statist / marxist / communist clowns in 2010 and 2012.
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Our country has survived much worse crisis in the past–George Washington at Valley Forge, Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War, and WW2 come to mind.
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Fidel Castro came into power claiming to be a revolutionary who would improve the Cuban People’s lives. Then he announced that he was a communist–and he converted Cuba into a jail island filled with serfs.
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That will never happen in the U.S.A. There are too many current and ex military who still live by the oath they–we–took long ago–to DEFEND OUR COUNTRY AND CONSTITUTION AGAINST ALL ENEMIES BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. I see the domestic enemies on the horizon now. Tea party them at every opportunity and vote them out in 2010 and 2012–it’s not 1776 all over again–yet.
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John Bibb
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“The PEOPLE do not approve of it beyond the political ideaology.”
Yep. That’s why its a great light shining on the left moment.
Our government is a disgrace.
Yep. Are members of the public allowed in Congress when a vote is going on? Stand outside and make a racket so loud they can’t concentrate.
thejim @11:24AM
You are absolutely correct that this transcends party lines. Many of my Dem friends are feeling blindsided. After all, they pay taxes too, their sons and daughters serve in the military, and their jobs are vanishing. We have to reclaim our party and help them do the same. The arrogance of this congress is appalling.
Has anyone tried throwing a bucket of water on Pelosi?
Just wondering…
My husand and I live in his district (UNFORTUNATELY!) he WILL vote YES for this monstrosity. He would not even hold a TownHall in Aug. Has been hiding and ignoring constituents. We have emailed, phoned, no no avail. Currently his voicemail is full, no one is answering the phone in his offices. He is going YES, I guarantee it.
The circus on the House Floor is a DISGRACE.
GO REP FOX FROM VIRGINIA!! WOW she is IMPRESSIVE!!!!!!!
“The TYRANNY THAT IS BEING EXERCISED FROM THE MAJORITY” BRAVO REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!!!!
Let’s call the beast what it is: Obamacare – an equal opportunity destroyer.
Pelosi would never have the nerve to bring this thing to vote without explicit instructions from the boss.
This is going to happen.
When it does, it will accelerate the total financial collapse so we will indeed be lucky if it does not occur shortly (6-8months) after it takes effect.
President Cockroach will have what he desires, the end of the United States of America.
Some might think it exaggeration, but to those I say the same as I said to those who poo-pooed our following the Rome-fall model: you’ll see. Most objective observers now admit I was right there, though they still don’t feel we’ll actually fall. Well, if you live long enough, what seems unthinkable to the young pups becomes obvious to the grey-beards.
AND, we still have people who don’t get it! If you doubt it, see the piece at American Thinker: Glenn Beck’s Jihad on Moderate Republicans By Elliot Schimel
Of course, this type of Republican is the problem: The game ends after the Rs & Ds are tallied on election day. . . who care how they actually vote!
They are ignoring the people.
“They are ignoring the people”
As are those predicting our demise and transformation into the USSR.
May the lady from New York please sit down. More and more Federal programs are her game.
Pass all the bills you want. You can’t make me participate in what is unconstitutional!
And don’t try to use that “welfare clause” as justification.
On November 7th, 2009 at 11:36 am, Krazybee said:
“Has anyone tried throwing a bucket of water on Pelosi?
Just wondering…”
I’ll volunteer!!!
Its not 36 million AMERICANS without insurance, Ms Slaughter.
Then tell me how that won’t happen if this (plus cap=n-trade) passes? 10% unemployment will be the good old days, and all those left without jobs, or food, or housing will have the government’s benevolence to rely on. THAT is what they want. Near 100% dependence on government. Total financial collapse is the way to get it.
Louise Slaughter is poised on the cusp of history…blah, blah, blah. Sucks up to Nanzi…
On November 7th, 2009 at 11:26 am, rocketman said:
Actually its much, much worse. England in 1776 was not equipped with the might, power, weaponry, or technology of the United States of 2009.
The most powerful machine of government and military in the history of the entire world is in the hands of creatures far more evil and efficient than Mad King George could ever hope to be.
I think Slaughter needs to take a pill.
“Then tell me how that won’t happen”
I already did.
If it ever came to that, don’t assume the military will be on obamas side.
We need to stop hating the Libertarians. If we elected them, the result of the compromises would *be* Republican.
I’ve just started listening to this. What is the unanimous consent request?
I’m predicting that within 5 years the highest taxpayers will have moved both themselves and their businesses off shore. If you had the means you’d be an idiot not to. That will be our generation’s version of going Galt.
“don’t assume the military will be on obamas side.”
Or that the ones who would be on the side of the people and not with Obama would stay in the military system.
This whole USSR thing is absurd.
Somebody having trouble finding phone numbers?
http://www.votesmart.org/index.htm
Type your rep’s last name or your zipcode into the box, bring up the page for your rep, look on the right side for contact info, click…
I found out last night it is sometimes worth trying the regional office if DC isn’t getting anywhere.
I’m lucky in that my rep has been solid on this. I’m moving into Dem rep territory in the near future, but I’m not sure “Gee, I’m not a constituent NOW, but…” is going to do anything unless they’re really on the fence, and it looks like he’s not. I don’t even know which side the guy came down on.
“What is the unanimous consent request?”
I’d like to answer but first we all have to agree that I can do so.
LOL
For the Senate
unanimous consent – A Senator may request unanimous consent on the floor to set aside a specified rule of procedure so as to expedite proceedings. If no Senator objects, the Senate permits the action, but if any one Senator objects, the request is rejected. Unanimous consent requests with only immediate effects are routinely granted, but ones affecting the floor schedule, the conditions of considering a bill or other business, or the rights of other Senators, are normally not offered, or a floor leader will object to it, until all Senators concerned have had an opportunity to inform the leaders that they find it acceptable.
Apparently from Pelosi’s Bill today?
I hate to sound so revolutionary in tone, but would anyone here “fight to their death” to protect Nancy Pelosi and her Party’s “right” to throw American Citizens into prisons for the “crime” of not buying a health insurance policy?
On November 7th, 2009 at 11:52 am, sonofdy said:
Why do you think Major Hasan was in the Army to begin with? General Wesley Clark? Why do you think Valerie Plame used her position as CIA agent to try to discredit GWB? Homeland Security searching grammas in airports?
The upper echelons of the military and our quasi-military branches are filled with people that are appointed not just by Republicans, but Democrats. And the Republicans when they were in charge weren’t always the freedom-lovers they pretended to be (GWB passed first bailout, for instance).
The top brass of our military is just as screwy and split between freedom lovers and haters as our politicians are.