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1. #101
   On November 7th, 2009 at 12:01 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

   For the House.

   Unanimous Consent. A Member may make a unanimous consent request to ask permission to allow an action to take place, even if it is contrary to House rules or practice. Although Members rarely object to routine unanimous consent requests, they have the right to do so and thereby force full compliance with the rules. A
   Member might ask unanimous consent to address the House for one minute. Or a
   Member might ask unanimous consent that all Members have five legislative days
   in which to revise and extend their remarks on a measure.”

   Reserve the Right to Object. A Member may “reserve the right to object”
   to a unanimous consent request. As unanimous consent requests are not debatable, a Member may reserve the right to object, to allow the proponent of the request time to explain the proposal. For example, if a Member asks unanimous consent to bring up a bill, another Member may reserve the right to object, and then yield to the
   original Member to allow an explanation of what is proposed. If, in light of the
   explanation, the reserving Member is not satisfied with the proposed action, he or she may then object to the unanimous consent request; if satisfied, he or she may withdraw the reservation of objection.”

2. #102
   On November 7th, 2009 at 12:02 pm, Boomer said:

   On November 7th, 2009 at 11:26 am, rocketman said:
   John Bibb thanks for sharing your similar views. I just went over 33 years of serving the US Air Force on active duty and as a simple servant this week and have talked with too many active duty and retired Senior Officers and NCOs over the past couple of months that have had it with the cesspool festering in the District of Criminals. The toilet that is DC needs to be flushed and I would much rather see it happen in 2010 and 2012 provided we are still allowed clean elections (still doubt this will happen thanks to ACORN and the usual Democrat operations).

   The folks I talk to don’t just despise one political party we can’t stand either one we serve the US Constitution and many will flat out refuse any unlawful order to move against American citizens. Provided the people win today by the rightfully scared members of Congress not giving the Wicked Witch of the West the votes she needs for this unconstitutional power grab I believe we will be able to avoid the 1775 or 1860 solution to these petty tyrants. Otherwise in USAF Fighter Pilot language: Fights On, Fights On!

3. #103
   On November 7th, 2009 at 12:03 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

   “The top brass of our military is just as screwy and split between freedom lovers and haters as our politicians are.”

   Sorry but I trust our military in general and appreciate their service to our country.

   You sound like the left’s mistrust of our armed forces there Film….

4. #104
   On November 7th, 2009 at 12:04 pm, FilmLadd said:

   On November 7th, 2009 at 11:54 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

   This whole USSR thing is absurd.

   Ok thanks. I’ll go back to sleep now.

5. #105
   On November 7th, 2009 at 12:04 pm, NestingHawk said:

   For now, I think we need to focus on trying to get this thing shut down TODAY.

   But IF that doesn’t happen, don’t we have a Senate vote yet? And I do think there ought to be some suits on Constitutional grounds, too, if if gets that far. (Tenth Amendment at least. I would argue freedom of assembly, but I suspect most people probably wouldn’t.)
   And doesn’t this thing not take effect until 2013 or something, so we could potentially get people in in time to repeal the thing?

   I keep politically testing as Libertarian, so MarcoPolo, thank you!

6. #106
   On November 7th, 2009 at 12:05 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

   “Ok thanks.”

   You are welcome comrade.

7. #107
   On November 7th, 2009 at 12:05 pm, d1carter said:

   Alcee Hastings the federal judge who was impeached on bribery charges has just spoken on the floor…

8. #108
   On November 7th, 2009 at 12:06 pm, NestingHawk said:

   Thank you for the clarification, JSMiddleton

9. #109
   On November 7th, 2009 at 12:07 pm, FilmLadd said:

   On November 7th, 2009 at 12:03 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

   You sound like the left’s mistrust of our armed forces there Film….

   Nope. I have personally worked for a four star and a two star, plenty of full birds and a few phone colonels.

   I know from personal experience that some are good guys and some are political slobs that are good at playing the game for their retirement. Some just want to get a cushy job at a defense contractor firm, lobbying congress or just sitting there looking good on the company’s resume.

   When you get that high up you have to know how to play the game of course, but some of them forget why they’re there, just like our politicians.

10. #110
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:08 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Nesting….

    They are procedural short cuts and if allowed would provide cover for folks wanted to vote for it. By objecting to them the Republicans are keeping the light shinging brightly on the left.

    I hope someone captures Rep. Hastings speech and uses the clips in a conservative fund raiser ad.

11. #111
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:12 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “good at playing the game for their retirement.”

    As do enlisted when they get close.

    But to go from that reality to using your not trusting them as evidence that there is some plan in place which will cause the polticial slobs at the top of the military to go along with Obama as he turns us into the USSR is a huge stretch of ones sense of reason.

    You chicken littles can chicken little all you want. Is not helpful to moving the conservative cause forward in 2010 and 2012 and beyond however.

    But please, chicken little away.

12. #112
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:14 pm, Living in the PSRK said:

    Here is Dave Camp’s webpage link

    “The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.”

    “Criminal penalties

    Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

    • Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

    • Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

    When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.

    “The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.

    According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.

13. #113
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:16 pm, 24Klady said:

    Pete Sessions(R) of the great state of Texas is bringing up way too many points that are illogical in the bill. Disagree with him sometimes but he’s doing a great job.

14. #114
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:20 pm, d1carter said:

    Any projections on how many criminals will be created by the passage of Nanzi’s bill?

15. #115
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:21 pm, d1carter said:

    Maybe Nanzi could set up an internment camp on one of her wineries for the criminally uninsured…?

16. #116
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:21 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:12 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    But please, chicken little away.

    I’m not saying the sky is falling. I am saying it is entirely possible for our Republic to fall, as they have done before in history.

    Were probably a bunch of Romans sitting out there at Hadrian’s wall exclaiming “WTF” in Latin when word came via courier that their empire was no longer, and they were on their own. Impossibles are always possible.

    A smart leader that wants his country to fall apart doesn’t necessarily need to tell the military to do anything. He doesn’t have to give them illegal orders and have them refuse to obey en masse, as many in our armed forces are afraid he will do.

    In fact, he can just as easily not tell the military to do anything at all… and make it impossible for them to intervene to prevent future tyrannical moves by his government.

    He can just weaken them through the purse strings and through dithering in war (like Afghanistan).

17. #117
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:21 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Any projections on how many criminals will be created by the passage of Nanzi’s bill?”

    None. Even if the House approves it, it is not law. It is far from law. FAR from law.

18. #118
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:25 pm, Sanddog said:

    I am sick to death of representatives who’ve never run a business telling me this boondoggle is going to save money and create jobs. That is a lie and the republicans damned well better stand up and start calling it that.

19. #119
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:25 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “I’m not saying the sky is falling. I am saying it is entirely possible for our Republic to fall, as they have done before in history.”

    Thanks for clearing that up….

    No sky is falling there.

20. #120
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:26 pm, Freddy said:

    “The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.”

    I am trying to figure out how this is NOT creating a DEBTORS prison right here in the ‘free’ USA?

21. #121
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:27 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:25 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Thanks for clearing that up….

    No sky is falling there.

    Possibility is key word.

    Do you work at the DMV or are you naturally phlegmatic?

22. #122
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:27 pm, d1carter said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:21 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I appreciate your response, but I asked about this bill before Congress. So no one has projected how many criminally insured will result from this bill if enacted.

23. #123
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:32 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “naturally phlegmatic”

    Of all the things I’ve been told I am naturally phlegmatic is not one of them.

24. #124
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:33 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “the republicans damned well better stand up and start calling it that.”

    Amen. And if they can see themselves as filling the gap until we get them help in 2010 more power to them. Hold the line until 2010……

25. #125
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:39 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:32 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Of all the things I’ve been told I am naturally phlegmatic is not one of them.

    

    I am not arguing that Obama will get a bunch of top brass to go along with a tyrannical takeover of the U.S. as you said I was.

    What I am saying is that it is possible for someone to turn us into a pseudo U.S.S.R., or significantly harm the country, and our military top brass would do nothing to prevent it.

    I even imagine that if a state wanted to secede if this went into law (for instance, Texas) then I’d bet Obama would do absolutely nothing to prevent it.

    Hell, I bet he’d given special dispensation for Texans in the military to be honorably discharged and return home. “An internal matter for Texans. We will miss them.”

    One less red state for him to worry about. Better than trying to send the military in.

26. #126
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:40 pm, Sanddog said:

    OMG… Louise Slaughter claims the Vet debt forgiveness provision is because of Swine Flu.

27. #127
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:41 pm, labwrs said:

    GO MARSHA BLACKBURN!!! She is ON FIRE!!

28. #128
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:46 pm, Jvette said:

    Called Dina Titus’ office, she’s my rep from Las Vegas. The woman who answered was polite, took my name and address and agreed to pass along my message, which was to urge Dina to vote no on this monstrosity.

    Alas, she will vote yes. Reid is her puppet master.

29. #129
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:46 pm, MrScribbler said:

    So no one has projected how many criminally insured will result from this bill if enacted.

    My estimate is that this bill, if passed, will create roughly 450-500 criminally insured: those in Congress who voted for it, and Osama Obama, who will sign it.

30. #130
    On November 7th, 2009 at 12:49 pm, rooster said:

    These dems are absolutely frightening. Any American not concerned by what is taking place in DC is woefully ignorant of all facts about this bill. Thanks to the corrupt media and the corrupt politicians using the media against the people of this once great nation. What a circus of colwns our politicians have become.

31. #131
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:01 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “What a circus of colwns our politicians have become.”

    A year ago could you have sat back and imagined a way to bring that truth so clearly into focus for the American people? Could you have imagined anything that would have so clearly made the truth we are seeing about the left and our politicians so clear?

    If Rush would have tried the truth of it would have been shot down as some right right radical radio guy mouthing off.

    If Fox News would have done so, same dismissive end result.

    That the left is doing this to themselves is PRICELESS!

32. #132
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:07 pm, rooster said:

    Anyone remember NY23 and the”moderate Owens”?

    GOUVERNEUR, NY – Congressman-elect Bill Owens was sworn in at noon today.

    Owens indicated in a press release released shortly afterwards that he was now in favor of the the “Affordable Healthcare for America Act” bill in direct contrast to his earlier position during the election campaign.

    How is it that we keep getting these POS?

33. #133
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:11 pm, rooster said:

    How many RINO’s will vote for this coup on the American people?

34. #134
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:17 pm, martin.musculus said:

    Oops, accidentally hit the [Submit Comment] button! Continued from comment #838432

    I’m not sure which thread this belongs in, I’ve just had 3 days of testing at Deborah Hospital, in addition to brainscans because of the stroke last year. (Need it be said I’m one of those guys Pres Cockroach’s going to gainsay medical attention –  forget that we pay hard cash, (converted gold) I’m too old and moldy to allow the waste of the resource…    ) It has left me really tired, but I felt compelled to post the comments, and so I did below. If the Always Gracious Mrs Malkin would shepherd them to the proper thread, I’d be in her debt.(and PLEASE forgive the length!)
    

    On a related note, this will probably be my last comment until late December or the New Year, although I will post some philosophical/thought pieces I’ve nearly completed elsewhere (and ask Mike to let you guys know the particulars….)

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    I’ve read comments and “Think” pieces by many with this view (see comment #838432 ). It seems that they just haven’t grownup beyound the level of Wish fulfillment. what their concepts boil down to is: when it is important these Rs will vote against the Progressive-Lib interest and not grow government and tyranny! This of course, flies in the face of all past history and experience. The reason people like sNewt and David Brooks want to bury Reagan: his ideas are the Ideas of The Founders, reworded to the vernacular understanding of the current culture: The Ideas of Liberty, and they are no Friends of Liberty! I do not make that statement lightly. I make it after long observation of their words and actions. These people care nothing for the Ideals that created this Great Nation, but only for themselves: their own acclaim or power. All those who would put Party over Principle are cut from the same cloth. Or for reason I will not dignify to fathom they act as willing enablers of those who ransack our Civil Society of its cultural, physical, and moral treasure. When you contrast the words, actions and votes of the McCains, Snowes, Specters, Scozzafavas, et al, showing clearly how they only vote against the Growth of Government when the bill’s passing is sure or their vote makes no difference — and show when they’re in a “friendly”, (i.e. Progressive) atmosphere in front of a Progressive audience they’re petal-to-the-metal wink-wink-nod-nod Progressives — irregardless of the letter after their name, these “Moderates” you’re the problem, because you won’t let them tally enough “R”s!

    Forget that when it counts those “R”s will vote with the people who, like termites, are eating away at the Founding Ideals of this nation! That doesn’t matter! It is ok if the Free Market is destroyed, as long as the destroyers have that “R” affiliation! They would crow of the humanitarianism of hanging a man slowly, so as not to shock his system!

     If we are to bring Our Nation back from this brink, WE MUST NOT BE MODERATE IN THE CAUSE OF LIBERTY!  If we are, if we shrink from this challenge, we’ll have the wasted blood of our Fore Fathers who died to make us Free on our heads, and we’ll have to account for it when all is said and done! To win this fight, we must be resolute in Purpose, discounting the naysayers — of whom there will be an abundance, I assure you! We must also clarify for ourselves the meaning of The Founding Principles.

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a useful method for the sort of fight we must make. Our youth are counseled to make the desision to follow (for example The Law of Chastity) before the testing circumstances arise, because it is only when you have the emotional space to consider the question and the problem can you then make a sound desision on how to treat the problem. The military called this “setting a policy” in general, and Rules of Engagement in the particular. You decide before The Fog Of Battle what you’re going to do — it makes falling into Specter-like traps much less likely. We need to do that sort of thing. As Mike & I called for starting 2 years ago: Study the Founding Documents, come to understand the minds of Our Founding Fathers, they were (and are) brilliant men! Then, most importantly, when you are knowledgeable of these things: Teach your neighbors! Widen the circle! Initially, it won’t be fast… but like a fission reaction, after a while the multiplier-effect will come into play and start to mount! There is a reason that the Progressives took over the schools first, and that our schools don’t teach anything of weight anymore! An Informed and educated Citizenry is the deathnell for Progressivism!

    Good luck to all of us who fight this Fight! I’ll be back soon!

    Written this day, 7November2009 by my hand,

    Martin Musculus

     

35. #135
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:20 pm, sbw999 said:

    “Extremists” protested yesterday. Bastards! Since 56% of the Country doesnt want this POS Bill, guess we are all extremists. Dems are morally bankrupt. God help this Country.

36. #136
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:23 pm, d1carter said:

    BHO is speaking from the Rose Garden…closer than we have ever been to passing Health Care…shout out to my peeps on the floor of Congress…heh

37. #137
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:28 pm, labwrs said:

    I KNEW the “blue dog” thing was wrong. They wouldnt BE “blue dogs” if they were not Democrats.
    I FINALLY spoke with someone in Rep Jim Cooper’s office. They began answering the phone ONLY AFTER he decides to vote YES. The office confirmed it and said he believes in the bill, blah blah. When I told the office person I would be doing everything in my power to get him OUT of office, he snidely told me that Rep Cooper has ” OVERWHELMING SUPPORT” from our area on this. FLOOD HIS OFFICE AND HELP PROVE THIS WRONG!!!!!!!
    Rep Jim Cooper (D-TN)
    202-225-4311

38. #138
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:29 pm, letget said:

    martin.musculus,
    I pray things work out well for you and hope you return soon.
    L

39. #139
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:33 pm, rocketman said:

    ***
    HI AGAIN BOOMER–Thank you for your service in our Air Force. My Dad was a Navy cargo plane navigator in WW2 in the South Pacific. My brother was Air National Guard for 2 years in the Vietnam era–looking for the Pueblo for 2 years! I was a U.S. Army draftee from 1964–1966–an engineering degree sent me to White Sands and missile / radar work instead of into the swamps as a rifleman.
    ***
    I worked in this field for 41 years–with many active duty and retired Military Personnel–of all services. Almost all of them were the best people I have known–smart, hard working, patriotic. And this includes a good ex-Navy lady technician and and a good ex-Army lady technician also.
    ***
    Good job–class really stands out. I help bury a lot of our older vets when I attend their funerals at Ft. Bliss National Cemetary. One of my ex bosses–fine man–was a WW2 P51 Mustang pilot over France and Germany. At his funeral there was a photo of him as a 22 year old Lieutenant–seated in his fighter–with brown hair–not the white hair I knew when he was a good engineer decades later. He built gliders in his back yard and flew them into his late 70′s–and he had the special look the ex fighter pilots have in his bright blue eyes.
    ***
    Another was a retired Army Major who had been airdropped into France and helped hold a mined bridge to prevent the Krauts from using it. And keeping it available for the breakout from the beaches. He fought on a broken ankle for 2 weeks before he could get medical help. A good Christian at our church and brave man.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

40. #140
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:44 pm, Mach1Duck said:

    The word is already out to our congressmen that a yea vote on this bill is a nay vote for retaining their illustrous position. Moveon.org; however, is trying to defund those Democrats who vote nay. Be that as it may, they work for us and if us does not like the way they are fullfilling their position…They are fired!

41. #141
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:47 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Moveon.org; however, is trying to defund those Democrats who vote nay.”

    As noted George Soros has pumped tons of money into this opportunity to bring socialism into the U.S.

42. #142
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:47 pm, labwrs said:

    FOXNEWS.COM is streaming the “House Call” Tea Party LIVE..CHANTS OF “KILL THE BILL” and “HELL NO”..THANK YOU TEA PARTIERS!

43. #143
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, Wildcatter1980 said:

    I never thought I’d live to see the day when our Congress would seem more like the Soviet Union Politburo.

44. #144
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, labwrs said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:44 pm, Mach1Duck said

    If Jim Cooper is your rep, see my post above. His snotty little telephone answerer assures me he IS voting yes AND has “overwhelming support” from his constituents. IF you disagree, CALL HIS OFFICE!

45. #145
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:53 pm, Jvette said:

    You heard Louise Slaughter, they have been working for this for nearly 100 years. They are nearly swooning with the excitement they are feeling at the thought of actually adding what could be the last nail in the coffin of American freedom.

46. #146
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:53 pm, bjc said:

    *My congressman, Bart Gordon, says he will vote no; We shall see; There should be NO Republican votes for this disaster; Let the Democrats OWN it; It will die in the Senate; We will know who especially to target for removal in 2010; Any yes vote for the bailout, stimulus, cap & tax, and now this Medicrap, will be front and center for ouster!

47. #147
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:56 pm, Lindsay said:

    Thanks, Michelle, for live blog.

    Democrats are a disgrace.

    I wish I was in DC. Pray for our nation and freedom.

48. #148
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:56 pm, pdv said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 11:57 am, BrianNY said:

    Apparently from Pelosi’s Bill today?

    “Criminal penalties

    Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

    • Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

    • Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

    I hate to sound so revolutionary in tone, but would anyone here “fight to their death” to protect Nancy Pelosi and her Party’s “right” to throw American Citizens into prisons for the “crime” of not buying a health insurance policy?

    No need to fight to the death. Congress can pass all the laws they want to include immigration laws. How are those immigration laws being enforced?

    Prohibition was once a law too!

    The US Government cannot incarcerate 60% of its actual working citizens. Let them find a jury to convict those who refuse which I will be one. If Rosa Parks can go to jail for failure to obey unjust laws, then so can I.

    It even easier to organize now. Help those that the Democrats want to make an example of by donating money or by getting on a jury and acquitting the patriot. If they arrest one person, make sure they then have to arrest all the supporters too. Can you imagine the police arresting 60% of the population of Springfield, USA for failure to buy government health care? It would overload the courts in no time.

    If bootleggers can provide alcohol, then medical bootleggers can supply medical care!

49. #149
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:57 pm, PirateLady said:

    MyGov application for the iPhone will give you all the numbers for everyone in the House & Senate. Call directly from you iPhone.

    MyGov – download it from the iTunes store now.

    Call.

50. #150
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:57 pm, Lumberman said:

    I wonder if any body else has had the same thoughts? I don’t have $15,000.00 to pay for this proposed insurance, and sure don’t have the $25,000.00 or $250,000.00 for a fine so it looks like I get to spend up to five years in prison if this piece of Pelosi manure passes into law. Well I have been thinking; if I am looking at spending time in prison for something unconstitutional and immoral as this, why not spend it for a willful act that would put me into prison, have my room and board provided, get medical care at no cost to me and maybe start what our forefathers did at Concord, Massachusetts. My moral and Christian background prohibit me from starting any act that would harm an innocent victim of a government went wild, but what about my duty as a citizen of a country with a Constitution, Bill of Rights, and was founded on human rights violations as stated in the Declaration of Independence?

51. #151
    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:59 pm, irving said:

    Just called my rep’s office (Maffei). Got right through and the young woman I spoke to was very polite. Didn’t let out any info but was nice enough just the same.

    Now I’ll cross my fingers and try not to reload the page looking for updates too often.

52. #152
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:01 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “then medical bootleggers can supply medical care!”

    Sounds like Patch Adams.

53. #153
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:09 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    Lumberman, I called Stupak’s office and the young man there tells me that it’s the same thing as not paying your taxes.

    I have been calling all morning, and I’m really sad that their lines aren’t busy.

54. #154
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:13 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    There is no way they are going to have a public option and not have forced participation. The only way to keep cost where they are is to have the biggest group possible to spread the cost among. Only way you get to the biggest group possible is by forcing participation.

    Any government plan will always end up with a public option and forced participation.

    If either is missing there is no reason for the legislation in the first place.

    Can you imagine how much lower your existing health care premiums could be if everyone was forced to pay for some kind of insurance?

55. #155
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:16 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I heard Pelosi hired a couple of homeless guys to stand outside Congress to do that fancy spining and tossing of signs saying “Free Health Care inside.”

56. #156
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:23 pm, vsatt said:

    Pelosicare will let “children” stay on their parents’ insurance until they are 27.

    Good grief! Alot of these “children” will be having babies of their own by then. Will their kids be eligible to sign up and stay on grandma/grandpa’s plan until they’re 27? And then the great-grandkids? And do they all become eligible for COBRA if the (great)grandparents die while “children” are covered? Will employers have to keep paying for coverage for an employee’s dependants over several generations.

    If this thing passes and you are an employer, you’re nuts if you don’t dump your employees onto the public trough… I mean, option.

57. #157
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:27 pm, rightisright said:

    Just called my rep. got right through, what’s with that on a Sat. people aren’t calling in to save their future?
    Recently on this health issue the message box for my rep. and senators were full…nothing today…must be busy doing all those normal things they’ll be unable to do if they don’t speak up.

    Anyone seen this “small bill”? Like to see this shown on the major networks and let the majority of Americans compare bills for themselves. Oh, that’s the one’s that can think for them selves that is.
    Small Bill

58. #158
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:29 pm, rightisright said:

    Piglosi and Backass’s bills are not about health care, they all about government control…SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!

59. #159
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:30 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “until they’re 27?”

    One of the huge things going unreported is the unemployment for folks below 25. College age kids trying to go to school and work part time jobs are getting creamed. Both of mine had to move home in order to keep moving forward on their schooling. We’ve carried them on our insurance but am coming up on the deadline for the oldest.

    It will be appealing to have legislation to extend it to 27 for lots of folks. Thing is you can extend the age to 27 legally without socialized medicine.

60. #160
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:33 pm, jbjm said:

    What’s the number to call? Do I have to reside in the district of the Rep I am calling?

61. #161
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:34 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    I’m with jsmiddleton, this is manna from above. Please, please let it pass. It WILL be deemed unconstitutional, they will get slaughtered in the 2010 elections, and the nation will see a resurgence of individual liberty rights. They should not be feared but ridiculed. Has anyone asked where they intend to house all these insurance criminals and which rapist, armed-robber or gang-banger will receive early parole to make room? I’m thinking mass civil disobedience, is anyone else? Bring it on pin-heads!

62. #162
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:39 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    If 27 year olds are children they should not be able to vote. Sounds like a fair trade- that way we can kill this thing before it actually kicks in. Can’t have it both ways. Without the naive 27 yr and below vote no Dem will ever win again.

    And since their parents are responsible for them up to age 27, we can hold them responsible for their “child’s” behavior.

63. #163
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:42 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Fox is now talking about the climate change bill. Combined with Obamacare, they’ll double – if not triple – the unemployment rate.

    Yay!

    I agree with SpeakEasy. If you stay on your parents’ plan until you’re 27, no vote for you until you ACT LIKE AN ADULT!

64. #164
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:45 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “until you ACT LIKE AN ADULT!”

    Well I consider my children scanning the horizon and seeing what is available as resources, aligning those resources up in a way that they can continue to move forward to equip themselves for success a very adult and mature characteristic.

    The very kind of people I want voting.

    Any you are telling me they can’t vote cause I cover them on my insurance?

    Seems a bit backwards.

65. #165
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:46 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    No, only if they’re the children of Democrats.

66. #166
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:47 pm, rightisright said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:34 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    I can only hope your right, honestly I don’t trust TSCOUS to always do the right thing, sure you realize at this point the courts decisions rely on 1 fence sitter. The decision should not be about politics, but bottom line it is.

    Some of us law breakers can go to Gitmo, understand compared to other federal prisons it’s a Club Med giverment style.

67. #167
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:54 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:34 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    I’m with jsmiddleton, this is manna from above. Please, please let it pass. It WILL be deemed unconstitutional,

    Turning over a single portion of the bill won’t negate the entire law.

    We. Are. So. Screwed.

68. #168
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:55 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    GOP Rep. Dan Burton carries entire 1900-page bill with him. “I hope I don’t get a hernia.” Tells Dems to read the bill before voting on it.

    Burton ought to stand there reading the bill cover-to-cover until they drag him out by his b***s.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

69. #169
    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:57 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    I hate to sound so revolutionary in tone, but would anyone here “fight to their death” to protect Nancy Pelosi and her Party’s “right” to throw American Citizens into prisons for the “crime” of not buying a health insurance policy?

    Seems it may be time to resume the practice of tarring and feathering.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

70. #170
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:00 pm, irving said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:34 pm, SpeakEasy said: I’m with jsmiddleton, this is manna from above. Please, please let it pass. It WILL be deemed unconstitutional

    The Supreme Court rarely strikes down an entire law, especially when it has 900+ pages and involves agencies all over the government. They make narrower decisions, directed at single, small issues (Remember McCain Feingold?)

    That means your strategy could put us in the position where they strike down the mandatory buy-in provisions but ignore the public option entirely. Or vice versa. That would be very very bad.

    Kill it outright, NOW. Don’t hope for a rescue from the court. That road leads to piecemeal imposition of tyranny.

71. #171
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:10 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    I tried Oregon’s undecided Kurt Schrader, but all of his offices’ voice mail boxes are full

    Wish I were in DC …

72. #172
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:17 pm, ScottyDog said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 11:57 am, BrianNY said:

    Apparently from Pelosi’s Bill today?

    “Criminal penalties

    Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

    • Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

    • Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

    I hate to sound so revolutionary in tone, but would anyone here “fight to their death” to protect Nancy Pelosi and her Party’s “right” to throw American Citizens into prisons for the “crime” of not buying a health insurance policy?

    They can start with me, as I will refuse to pay for any of their unconstitutional Health care.

    I also stopped filing Federal Income Taxes this year. I refuse to comply with Tyranny. If we all did this there is not enough jail cells to put even 1 million of us in jail let alone 50 million taxpayers.

    I urge all of you to join me in this protest.

73. #173
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:22 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 1:56 pm, pdv said:

    Prohibition was once a law too!

    The US Government cannot incarcerate 60% of its actual working citizens.

    Sure they can. Any government can.

    Mao. Stalin. Kim Jong Ill & North Korea.

    Put out a bid for building ovens to burn human bodies, and you will always get a contractor.

    Just ask the The Topf & Söhne company.

74. #174
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:26 pm, ScottyDog said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:30 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “until they’re 27?”

    One of the huge things going unreported is the unemployment for folks below 25. College age kids trying to go to school and work part time jobs are getting creamed. Both of mine had to move home in order to keep moving forward on their schooling. We’ve carried them on our insurance but am coming up on the deadline for the oldest.

    It will be appealing to have legislation to extend it to 27 for lots of folks. Thing is you can extend the age to 27 legally without socialized medicine.

    For years I have been pointing out the outsourcing of our jobs would eventually kill the American Economy. The sad fact is that most college aged kids today will not be able to find employment with their education. The Corporations are still outsourcing and in sourcing foreign labor.

    The RNC was constantly spewing out the pro propaganda about so called free trade and it has come home to roost. There has not been one private sector job created since GWB took office. The only expansion has been in the public sector.

    Maybe some of you should have paid attention to /Pat Buchanan/ when he told you what would happen if we allowed all these free trade bills like NAFTA to be signed into law. We are witnessing the CFR master plan to destroy our middle class.

    People like Jerome Corsi have estimated the unemployment rate next year at 20% due free trade.

75. #175
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:32 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 2:34 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    I’m with jsmiddleton, this is manna from above. Please, please let it pass.

    Yes, yes, let’s enact socialism so everyone can see how bad it is, and we can beat it back!!

    And uh… which countries exactly have managed to enact, and then break out of, socialized medicine?

    None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

    Bad strategy almost to the point of fifth column-ism.

76. #176
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:35 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Hey, want a laugh? I have TV on in the background, and an AARP commercial comes on.

    At the bottom of the screen it reads:

    AARP does not recommend health related products, services, or programs

    BIG. FAT. LIE.

    I take a small measure of comfort knowing that – thanks to Obamacare – AARP won’t be around long because all the eligible members will be offed to save money in our glorious socialized system.

    I hope every single person who supports this gets some life-threatening illness and has to wait a year for treatment.

77. #177
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:35 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    Melissa Bean and Bill Foster are now “yes” votes.

78. #178
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:37 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:32 pm, FilmLadd said:

    And uh… which countries exactly have managed to enact, and then break out of, socialized medicine?

    Socialized anything. Our beloved GOP has never ever taken away an entitlement program. Compassionate conservatives mean slower death by government….that’s all.

79. #179
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:42 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Yes, yes, let’s enact socialism so everyone can see how bad it is, and we can beat it back!!”

    Once again “enact” and what is happening today in the House is apples and oranges. Quit acting like anything is enacted.

80. #180
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Our beloved GOP has never ever taken away an entitlement program.”

    That is not true. Have they done so “enough”? No. But bills have been turned back. Like tax increases, etc. It is inaccurate to say nothing ever gets over turned.

81. #181
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:44 pm, tarpon said:

    Obammunism is flaming out. We have models for what our Dear Reader is trying to do, the Soviet Union the most recent, and they we catastrophic failures.

    Our Dear Reader has lost his mojo.

    Sen Greggs new estimate from the CBO shows cost increased deficit now over $3 trillion for ten years. Of course anybody can calculate their own estimate, just look at the CBO report on HR3200 year ten, the deficit is $260 billion and rising. Just 10X that for a start, but it will likley be higher still. Puits you smack into the $3-4 trillion in new debt range. And with our sinking economy, likely way higher.

82. #182
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:44 pm, NestingHawk said:

    I think people ought to be allowed to pay for the insurance of anyone they’re willing to, and that if there’s a market for it and private companies want to, no grouping should be forbidden by the government.

    There is no magic adulthood button that means a person in school at a given age is less adult than a person with a job at a given age. Going back for more education is a perfectly rational response to the economy right now if you have a chance, and if parents want to give their children that opportunity, at whatever age, why shouldn’t they? And why shouldn’t the “kids” take it? I don’t object to people bettering themselves, and the willing funding of it.

    I do object to people taking my money by force of law in order to do it, however, and I do object to the government attempting to force me to buy a service it says I need. The word “object” is understating the case there. The up-to-27 provision may be a bribe, as that demographic is particularly likely to find health insurance isn’t worth the cost when calculating a budget. (Lower salaries plus better health, so though I haven’t looked at the statistics, I would think…)

83. #183
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:45 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Mao. Stalin. Kim Jong Ill & North “Korea.”

    And the American citizen is not Chinese, Russian nor North Korean.

84. #184
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:46 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “I also stopped filing Federal Income Taxes this year.”

    That is not a good plan. Sorry but it is not.

    But good luck to you.

85. #185
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:47 pm, NestingHawk said:

    I file income tax returns in order to retrieve money that was taken out of my paycheck. I file them, and the government sends me a check. That’s the “return.”

86. #186
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:48 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:42 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Once again “enact” and what is happening today in the House is apples and oranges. Quit acting like anything is enacted.

    Every step forward on this is a step backward for liberty. It is enormously foolish and naive to think that, if passed here in the House, it will be easier to defeat later on.

    Each win makes it harder for it be defeated, because it gathers momentum.

    The nature of stupid people is, that when they see that one side is losing, they will start to gravitate to the winning side.

    Obalosi-oros knows the power of momentum on the herd.

87. #187
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:48 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Kill it outright, NOW.”

    Sure. But the only way it is going to be killed this time around is to let it run its course. Even after that, it will be back again IF we allow the left to maintain majorities in Congress.

88. #188
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:50 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Every step forward on this is a step backward for liberty.”

    But the sky is not falling?

89. #189
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:50 pm, d1carter said:

    Nanzi thinks she has the votes or she would have not allowed this bill on the floor for debate.

90. #190
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:51 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Each win makes it harder for it be defeated, because it gathers momentum.”

    And once again, nothing has been won. We are not at the win/lose juncture.

91. #191
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:51 pm, jjmurphy said:

    That is not true. Have they done so “enough”? No. But bills have been turned back. Like tax increases, etc. It is inaccurate to say nothing ever gets over turned.

    jsm – I appreciate your long-term optimism, but if you look at the history of the last 100 years freedom has been losing to collectivism every step of the way. We have had some minor “delaying actions” but, overall, the collectivists have advanced continuously since the early 1900s. Nothing has been “turned back”, only delayed.

    I really hope your optimism is warranted, but the trend is not in your, or our, favor.

92. #192
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:53 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:45 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    And the American citizen is not Chinese, Russian nor North Korean.

    Go drive through a housing project for an hour in downtown DC, New Orleans, Los Angeles, Detroit, and assuming you’re not dead afterwards, come tell me how much more enlightened we are and how immune we are from tyranny, socialism, and all the rest.

    Any citizenry can be degraded. They are human.

    Being a U.S. citizen doesn’t make one magically immune from being enslaved by tyranny.

93. #193
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:55 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “I appreciate your long-term optimism, but if you look at the history of the last 100 years freedom has been losing to collectivism every step of the way.”

    Yep. And socialism has gotten away with its creep because folks did not either have an interest in what was being socialized or it happened slowly enough that folks did not object.

    This time that is not the case. Health care impacts all of us. Jobs and the job market that will be hurt by cap and trade impacts all of us.

    Just look at the attention the off election cycle Virginia/NJ/New York and California garnished.

    Its all good.

    The future is bright. Folks need to get involved instead of scared and planning to be a communist.

    The right can still blow this thing. All we have to do is continue to sound like Chicken Little, attack each other and send up Ron Paul and Pat Buchannan as our candidates.

94. #194
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:58 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    The right can still blow this thing. All we have to do is continue to sound like Chicken Little, attack each other and send up Ron Paul and Pat Buchannan as our candidates.

    Because strong fiscal conservatives have no place in the GOP?

95. #195
    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:59 pm, Margee said:

    Chet Edwards (D-TX) has a recording on his House phone number that he has decided to vote NO

96. #196
    On November 7th, 2009 at 4:01 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:50 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Every step forward on this is a step backward for liberty.”

    But the sky is not falling?

    To portray passage in the house as no big deal is a stupid bromide. And for you to preach that it’s no big deal smacks not of long term optimism but historical blindness.

    In fact it almost sounds like someone trying to lull the opposition into a stupor before the final blow.

    Passage is one less hurdle they have to overcome to making it law. It will not be good for anyone, and momentum will be on their side.

97. #197
    On November 7th, 2009 at 4:03 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Because strong fiscal conservatives have no place in the GOP?”

    No. Because if we send up Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan Obama gets 4 more years.

98. #198
    On November 7th, 2009 at 4:05 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 7th, 2009 at 3:55 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    The right can still blow this thing. All we have to do is continue to sound like Chicken Little, attack each other and send up Ron Paul and Pat Buchannan as our candidates.

    Pat Buchannan? Do you still wear shoulder pads and Miami Vice glasses?

99. #199
    On November 7th, 2009 at 4:07 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “To portray passage in the house as no big deal is a stupid bromide.”

    It hasn’t passed. It in its current form will not make it out of the Senate and may not make it to the Senate.

    To not see the great blessing this whole mess is for we conservatives and to act like “The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming” is tin foil hat lunancy time and harms our attempt to move forward on the national stage.

    It is time to hold the line, teach conservative philosophy, not over react. We have a solid base for our beliefs and that base is an anchor. Act like you got some anchor there Film. Or continue to cry that the sky is falling. Your choice.

    One will get you heard. One means you get to preach to the doomsday choir.

    Your choice.

    People who would not have last year given the idea of listening to folks who believe like Ronald Reagan are now willing to listen. If we scare those people away with this nonsensical fear mongering that will be on us. Not on Obama.

100. #200
     On November 7th, 2009 at 4:07 pm, MarcoPolo said:

     Ron Paul introduced bills that would have given 100% tax credit for medical expenses, and made it illegal for government to force the citizens to buy insurance.

     No room for small government ideas in the GOP? That’s why the GOP leans left.