Health care takeover roll call vote — and what GOP Rep. Joseph Cao got from Obama; Plus: Organizing for America hustles more money

By Michelle Malkin  •  November 8, 2009 01:10 AM

The final 220-215 roll call vote on passage of the House Dems’ government health care takeover bill is here.

And here is the 240-194 roll call vote on the Stupak amendment to extend the ban on federal abortion subsidies to Obamacare/Pelosicare.

Thanks to Doug Powers for filling in while I spoke at the Foundation for Life event in Sugar Land, Texas tonight. What an incredible juxtaposition it was — meeting and talking with the true agents of Hope and Change, the true guardians of innocent life, and the true advocates for women and children outside the Beltway as the Democrat majority inside the Beltway rammed the massive, job-killing, high-taxing, bureaucracy-multiplying, generational debt-piling health care monstrosity down America’s throat.

One Republican voted for Pelosicare: GOP Rep. Anh (Joseph) Cao of Louisiana.

Yes, he’s the one who took over corruptocrat Democrat William Jefferson’s seat. I had reservations about him on election night because of his soft-on-immigration views. But I gave him the benefit of the doubt. If he could stand strong on limited government and fiscal conservatism, it would be worth it.

Well, since he was elected, Cao has backed the S-CHIP expansion, the $108 billion IMF bailout, and the omni-waste spending bill. And he voted to rebuke GOP Rep. Joe Wilson for calling out President Obama on his health care lies.

That is a steep price to pay for Rep. William Jefferson’s removal.

Can’t the GOP do better?

For what it is worth, here is the cheap price the Democrats paid for Cao’s vote:

Louisiana Congressman Anh “Joseph” Cao on Sunday morning released a statement after he voted as the only Republican in favor of the Democratic health care reform bill.

The health care reform bill, dubbed the “Affordable Health Care for America Act” (H.R. 3962), passed the U.S. House of Representatives in a 220 – 215 vote.

“Tonight, I voted to keep taxpayer dollars from funding abortion and to deliver access to affordable health care to the people of Louisiana,” Cao said in a statement released by his office. “I read the versions of the House [health reform] bill. I listened to the countless stories of Orleans and Jefferson Parish citizens whose health care costs are exploding – if they are able to obtain health care at all. Louisianans needs real options for primary care, for mental health care, and for expanded health care for seniors and children.”

Cao wrote he obtained commitment from President Obama that he would work together to address the health care issues of Louisiana, including the FMAP crisis and community disaster loan forgiveness, as well as issues related to Charity and Methodist Hospitals. “I call on all my constituents to support me as I work with him on these issues.”

He obtained a “commitment from President Obama.”

You know what that’s worth: Nothing.

***

This email from President Obama hustling up money for Organizing for America arrived in the email box at 1:45am Eastern. He sure can work fast when he wants to:

This evening, at 11:15 p.m., the House of Representatives voted to pass their health insurance reform bill. Despite countless attempts over nearly a century, no chamber of Congress has ever before passed comprehensive health reform. This is history.

But you and millions of your fellow Organizing for America supporters didn’t just witness history tonight — you helped make it. Each “yes” vote was a brave stand, backed up by countless hours of knocking on doors, outreach in town halls and town squares, millions of signatures, and hundreds of thousands of calls. You stood up. You spoke up. And you were heard.

So this is a night to celebrate — but not to rest. Those who voted for reform deserve our thanks, and the next phase of this fight has already begun.

The final Senate bill hasn’t even been released yet, but the insurance companies are already pressing hard for a filibuster to bury it. OFA has built a massive neighborhood-by-neighborhood operation to bring people’s voices to Congress, and tonight we saw the results. But the coming days will put our efforts to the ultimate test. Winning will require each of us to give everything we can, starting right now.

Please donate $5 or whatever you can afford so we can finish this fight.

Tonight’s vote brought every American closer to the secure, affordable care we need. But it was also a watershed moment in how change is made.

Even after last year’s election, many insider lobbyists and partisan operatives really thought that the old formula of scare tactics, D.C. back-scratching and special-interest money would still be enough to block any idea they didn’t like. Now, they’re desperate. Because, tonight, you made it crystal clear: the old rules are changing — and the people will not be ignored.

In the final phases of last year’s election, I often reminded folks, “Don’t think for a minute that power concedes without a fight,” and it’s especially true today. But that’s okay — we’re not afraid of a fight. And as you continue to prove, when all of us work together, we have what it takes to win.

Please donate to OFA’s campaign to win this fight and ensure that real health reform reaches my desk by the end of this year:

https://donate.barackobama.com/History

Let’s keep making history,

President Barack Obama

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  1. #201
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:00 pm, robhic said:

    I thank God I do not live in New Orleans. But outside the chocolate city is still bad enough.

    Joseph Cao is an embarrassment to our whole state. He is quite a steep price to have paid to fill Dollar Bill Jefferson’s seat.

    At least Jefferson admitted he was a democrat. Cao is one of those RINO MFs.

    What a bad, bad day. Sad, too.

  2. #202
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:04 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    Andrews is toast.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  3. #203
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:05 pm, txvet2 said:

    On November 8th, 2009 at 2:53 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    What I don’t understand is folks on our side acting as if Pelosi has in fact won something

    And we don’t understand is why you think she didn’t. It’s true that she has plenty of Democrat votes to pass anything, if they stay united. It’s also true that they aren’t united. As I noted earlier the mere fact that the House has passed a bill is significant because now it doesn’t matter what the Senate passes as long as they call it health care reform. Hell, they could pass the Republican bill. It doesn’t matter. Once it’s passed, they go to conference with the House, and rewrite the bill any way they want to.

  4. #204
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:07 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “And we don’t understand is why you think she didn’t.”

    How about because she didn’t? In a few weeks she will look foolish with her premature chicken dance in the end zone as her own party dismantles her “win”.

    So tell me tx, what did she actually win?

  5. #205
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:10 pm, txvet2 said:

    Try reading the rest of the post before you respond with a question that’s already been answered.

  6. #206
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:11 pm, Roland said:

    What I don’t understand is folks on our side acting as if Pelosi has in fact won something and getting all excited about it.

    Someone pointed out that by passing this bill in the House, the Senate can now pass anything at all (they need 60 votes) and then subsitute the this House bill in the conference.

    After that, the new conference bill will only have to get 50 votes in the Senate. I’m not sure how many the Democrats have up for reelection in 2010, but since only a third of Senators stand for election, and the Democrats were the minority back in 2004, being able to cover 10 should make the bill slam dunk.

    Now, I’m not sure about the conference thing, but it sounds right. If true, we (the American people) are royally screwed. It is already effectively a done deal.

    That is why there is so much gloom. Although it does surprise me, too. Didn’t everyone realize all of the leftists agenda is going to become law?

    That was decided in 2008. Elections have consequences.

  7. #207
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:12 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Gee tx, I kinda think I did.

    I answered your question. She didn’t win squat. They can act like she did. Doesn’t mean WE need to act like she did.

    Is it that red dress or are Mrs. Pelosi’s Speaker assets getting bigger?

    Hey, you know you were thinking it.

  8. #208
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:16 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “leftists agenda is going to become
    law?”

    So? That means what? That it can’t be changed?

    Again with this end game that is not an end game which means we’re screwed.

    “Didn’t everyone realize all of the leftists agenda….”

    Yes. That’s why I held my nose and voted for McCain/Palin.

  9. #209
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:27 pm, swede said:

    Republicanvet said:
    This idiot will fold like an cheap empty suit at the first glare from Dingy Harry.

    FIFY

  10. #210
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:28 pm, jangar said:

    https:/ /donate.barackobama.com/History

    Ain’t this fool got enough of our money?

    How vain does one have to be?

  11. #211
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:29 pm, Roland said:

    JS, it sounds as if you are confusing gloom after a lost delaying skirmish where we knew we didn’t stand much chance anyway with giving up on the war.

    Nobody is giving up. Last night was Thermopylae. We knew they would overwhelm us eventually. Now we know passage is imminent.

    Now the Democrats will pass their bill (march over us through the pass) and the real battle to save America (Greek/Western civilization) begins.

  12. #212
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:36 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    they could pass the Republican bill. It doesn’t matter. Once it’s passed, they go to conference with the House, and rewrite the bill any way they want to.

    Rewriting isn’t necessarily involved, since much if it is in “fill-in-the’blank” form, it certainly can fashioned in any way desired after the fact.

    And this is simply another battle in the great war for totalitarian control and of this nation and the subversion of western civilization as a whole.

  13. #213
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:43 pm, swede said:

    Again with this end game that is not an end game which means we’re screwed.

    Perspective folks. Gallup – who generally leans left – tracking poll has Congressional job approval at a whopping 21%, down 10 points from just last month. Dissaproval is 72%. Senate will not put this through, not even with reconciliation. It would be political suicide. Cap and Tax will die there too. Count on it, but keep up the pressure.

  14. #214
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:44 pm, jangar said:

    We knew they would overwhelm us eventually.

    Time to reciprocate in November 2010.

  15. #215
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:46 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:16 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “leftists agenda is going to become
    law?”

    So? That means what? That it can’t be changed?

    Stop it with the snarky. It’s not cute.

    There are two or three more hurdles for them to make it law. Senate passes its version, it goes to reconciliation, then Obama signs it.

    Once passed it will be very hard to reverse without a major realignment in 2010. Each step is easier for them, and harder for us, requiring greater effort on our part to stop it.

    That’s not “sky is falling” – those are facts.

    Telling everyone it’s no big deal, we’ll fix it later, etc., will just make some people relax for the next fight in the Senate.

    This is a bad turn of events which should steel everyone for a bigger fight, because it will be more uphill.

    Again with this end game that is not an end game which means we’re screwed.

    Not an end game but it’s one less play.

    Yes. That’s why I held my nose and voted for McCain/Palin.

    Good for you, here’s a gold star, so did I, but that doesn’t make me snark on conservatives, call them Paulites, Buchaninites, chicken littles for rightly describing a bad day as a bad day, and tell them they need to find marketable electable politicians (i.e., phlegmatic RINOs) to maybe enact our philosophy – maybe.

    That’s what the R’s did before and it didn’t work. Time for them to stop listening to that advice before it’s too late.

  16. #216
    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:53 pm, FilmLadd said:

    And another thing JS – this vote in the House WAS one more step to a collectivist / marxist takeover of our country. I don’t think hearing that makes the soccer mommies in Long Island quiver with fear that we’re all extremists and they’ll rush to vote for Obama again.

  17. #217
    On November 8th, 2009 at 4:21 pm, carole said:

    We can put the magnifying glass down now as far as the Congress is concerned. Stevie Wonder can see what’s really going on here. I hope you all saw on Hannity’s show last week that no bill or topic can be voted on or even discussed unless there is a certain percentage of the opposing party present. He showed a clip of Demons running out the back door to avoid voting on a certain bill the Republicans wanted & the demons totally ducked it. So now we know none of these stimulus bills and specifically this healthcare bill should have ever been a factor let alone voted on yesterday. ALL OUR REPRESENTATIVES HAD TO DO WAS IGNORE IT, THAT’S ALL! We have to call ALL our Senators and let them know, IF YOU SHOW UP, YOU’RE GONE!” We’re the majority & we’ve made our views about this bill perfectly clear, WE DON’T WANT ANY PART OF IT, PERIOD! We just found out about this stipulation but our reps have known it all along. There’s absolutely no excuse for what happened yesterday. Again I say, ALL congressmen & women have to go.

  18. #218
    On November 8th, 2009 at 4:42 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Stop it with the snarky. It’s not cute.”

    What snarky and who is trying to be cute.

    Your little sky is fallen group has lost it.

  19. #219
    On November 8th, 2009 at 4:47 pm, vinny said:

    Just 3 representatives….Imagine how much better off we would all be today, if just 3 more representatives voted no on this stupid bill? Three dumb congressmen.

  20. #220
    On November 8th, 2009 at 4:51 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “WAS one more step to a collectivist / marxist takeover of our country. ”

    So we’re back to counting Mexican soldiers hey Film?

    So Pelosi passes a law declaring the USA a communist state we are going to rollover and declare ourselves communist?

    Get a grip.

    Get busy and take all that being upset and scared and we’re turning into the USSR and funnel it into something productive by helping and supporting local conservative candidates.

    You’ll be surprised Film. Things aren’t quite as bad as you seem to need them to be.

  21. #221
    On November 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “imagine how much better off we would all be today”

    So vin, tell me how you are so bad off today? How the House doing what the House always does has somehow made your life worse today. Please try to be specific if you can.

  22. #222
    On November 8th, 2009 at 4:58 pm, vinny said:

    I read the yahoo article showing Pelosi gloating over last night. Very soon the young will become disillusioned when they realize that they have to pay for treating all of Pelosi’s senile classmates. The middle class will react once they see that their insurance premium rise even further. The uninvolved self employed group will see that they now must pay thousands of dollars, and they will become mobilized in 2010. Tar and feathers would be too good for these imbeciles in congress.

  23. #223
    On November 8th, 2009 at 4:59 pm, txvet2 said:

    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:36 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    The point is that it doesn’t matter at all what has passed either house, because when they get to conference they can throw out or put in anything they want.

  24. #224
    On November 8th, 2009 at 5:03 pm, vinny said:

    No markets open today jsmiddle. tomm you will see some specifics. My confidence in the future of this country is lower today, than it was yesterday. That fear is not my alone. When multiplied by millions(others who lost confidence in our future), it will translate into loss of investment and further job losses. If you want a historical film on the subject look up a 6 part series on the great depression featured on you tube. Put in search words “1919 – the great stock market crash”

  25. #225
    On November 8th, 2009 at 5:13 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “tomm you will see some specifics.”

    So you are planning on the market being down tomorrow and losing money because Pelosi did what we knew all along she was going to do?

  26. #226
    On November 8th, 2009 at 5:20 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “multiplied by millions(others who lost confidence in our future)”

    Film needs someone to help him count Mexican soldiers. Looks like you would be a great volunteer.

    I had to hit a grocery store at lunch today. Packed. Not one person looking like they’ve lost confidence in their future.

    I suggest you look for a different group of folks to hang out with.

  27. #227
    On November 8th, 2009 at 5:25 pm, jangar said:

    I had to hit a grocery store at lunch today. Packed. Not one person looking like they’ve lost confidence in their future.

    Yeah, same lines at the ammo counter.

  28. #228
    On November 8th, 2009 at 5:49 pm, vinny said:

    jsmiddle, i guess you are looking for someone to have a verbal fight with. I initially thought you might be sincere, but by now I see it would be a waste of time talking to you. Unless I forget this stupid exchange, this will be my last remark to your assinine comments.

  29. #229
    On November 8th, 2009 at 6:05 pm, jangar said:

    vinny – you have one year to talk to as many people as possible about the next election, and articulate the solution. Keep it simple, make the case. Do it in person. Stay after your rep and senators, drop a few lines to the chairman as well. Keep an eye on local matters, and support candidates who you agree with. It takes one match, thrown into the right spot, to make the biggest impact.

    I think that’s part of jsm4′s take on things.

  30. #230
    On November 8th, 2009 at 7:02 pm, txvet2 said:

    On November 8th, 2009 at 5:20 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I had to hit a grocery store at lunch today. Packed. Not one person looking like they’ve lost confidence in their future.

    Cattle at a feed lot have no awareness that the next step is a sledgehammer between the eyes.

  31. #231
    On November 8th, 2009 at 7:25 pm, JamieD said:

    Cattle at a feed lot have no awareness that the next step is a sledgehammer between the eyes.

    +1

  32. #232
    On November 8th, 2009 at 8:22 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 8th, 2009 at 4:51 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Get busy and take all that being upset and scared and we’re turning into the USSR and funnel it into something productive by helping and supporting local conservative candidates.

    I have been, despite your counseling everyone that this is all no big deal.

    You must look up in the air when you talk to people in person. Make sure you pluck your nostril hairs, country club.

  33. #233
    On November 8th, 2009 at 8:26 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 8th, 2009 at 5:49 pm, vinny said:

    jsmiddle, i guess you are looking for someone to have a verbal fight with. I initially thought you might be sincere, but by now I see it would be a waste of time talking to you. Unless I forget this stupid exchange, this will be my last remark to your assinine comments.

    +1

  34. #234
    On November 8th, 2009 at 8:37 pm, tbear44 said:

    On November 8th, 2009 at 5:20 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I had to hit a grocery store at lunch today. Packed. Not one person looking like they’ve lost confidence in their future.

    Funny, that. Seems it was that way all through the Bush “recession.”

  35. #235
    On November 8th, 2009 at 9:22 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    and here’s what they’ll do to our $$$

    http://billstclair.com/blog/images/worthless-color.jpg

  36. #236
    On November 8th, 2009 at 9:45 pm, FireBlogger said:

    he obtained commitment from President Obama that he would work together to address the health care issues of Louisiana, including the FMAP crisis and community disaster loan forgiveness, as well as issues related to Charity and Methodist Hospitals

    How naive can you be Cao? Obama hung up the phone and said to himself, “this clown got elected to Congress? Too easy”.

  37. #237
    On November 8th, 2009 at 9:54 pm, tbear44 said:

    I’m sure Cao got some of that “Obama Money.”

  38. #238
    On November 8th, 2009 at 10:05 pm, RetFireman said:

    When other nations are rife with corruption, Socialist take-overs, poverty, unemployment, despots, etc., their people came here in order to get lives of freedom and liberty, where they could flourish, grow, and obtain their hopes and dreams.

    So where do people in this nation go now that our country has become that which people once fled from?

  39. #239
    On November 8th, 2009 at 10:06 pm, RetFireman said:

    On November 8th, 2009 at 9:54 pm, tbear44 said:

    I’m sure Cao got some of that “Obama Money.”

    Yeah…CAO got some of that money…not his constituents or district.

  40. #240
    On November 9th, 2009 at 6:54 am, Veretax said:

    Wow Shelly Moore Capito voted for the Abortion ammendment, but against the full bill. That’s a bit of a shocker, given she’s not exactly pro-life hrms :/

  41. #241
    On November 9th, 2009 at 7:31 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    The 4th branch of government is WE THE PEOPLE. The only people in this country who actually have to pay anything under this facist legislation are those who PRODUCE.

    Passive resistance is the answer. If the signers of our Declaration of Independence were willing to pledge their LIVES along with their fortunes and honor – then who am I to not at least pledge less than that to stop this UN-constitutional legislation from being rammed down my throat?

    I will not allow the federal government to FORCE me to buy anything. If enough producers come along with me the federal government is POWERLESS to enforce this legislation – they cannot throw us all in jail; there isn’t enough jail space and the economy would just collapse anyway.

    We need a new document to sign and I propose it be named the “Declaration of LIBERTY” to which I pledge my fortune and honor. I think it work. It will nip this in the bud and there will be no reason for any revolt to rise to the ultimate level of excercising the 2nd Amendment.

    Put the US Senate on notice that WE THE PEOPLE come FIRST in this great country and always did starting with the Constitutiton itself.

    I pledge to defend my Constitution by NOT obeying Queen Nancy.

    Tell us Queen Nancy, what do you actually think you can do if a determined majority of producers stand against you? How much will it take until you look in the mirror and realize what an absolutley ugly person you are inside compared to the brave people who founded this country as well as those who have defended it?

    I draw the line here.

  42. #242
    On November 9th, 2009 at 7:40 am, Jimmie said:

    James Carvil strikes again….the republicans were looking for a “strong” person to fill Jefferson’s seat…Carvil tells them that this Cao guy is the only one who could hold the seat….you have to have diversity …so this guy probably voted for and backs The Obama program and by any other name is a liberal Democrat but for diversity sake he will call himself a republican?…This guy could be presidential timber?…for the gop?

  43. #243
    On November 9th, 2009 at 8:16 am, dan708 said:

    Pennsylvanians, take note – Joe Sestak (D), who is running against Arlen SpecterDetector in the 2010 primary, voted YEA! We MUST have Pat Toomey, now!

  44. #244
    On November 9th, 2009 at 8:39 am, stillontheroad said:

    The only thing missing from this crime was Piglosi wavng her gavel and Yelling”Death to the Republic”.

  45. #245
    On November 9th, 2009 at 9:10 am, Dimsdale said:

    On November 8th, 2009 at 3:12 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    (snip)

    Is it that red dress or are Mrs. Pelosi’s Speaker assets getting bigger?

    Hey, you know you were thinking it.

    Whew! I thought it was just my eyes going. I had to tape over the bottom of my screen to avoid nausea (in addition to the nausea generated by Pelosi’s words and deeds.

  46. #246
    On November 9th, 2009 at 9:14 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    vinny said: The middle class will react once they see that their insurance premium rise even further. The uninvolved self employed group will see that they now must pay thousands of dollars, and they will become mobilized in 2010. Tar and feathers would be too good for these imbeciles in congress.

    Call me a conspiratist or whatever but it sure seems that the ultimate aim of these so-called progressives is to eliminate the middle-class.

    Their goal is to have two classes – rich elitists in power like them and droves of poor people groveling at their feet begging for more handouts.

  47. #247
    On November 9th, 2009 at 9:16 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Odd-the House passed the Socialized Medicine bill and gold hits a record high,is someone-everyone-not confident in our dollar? Why would that be?

  48. #248
    On November 9th, 2009 at 9:17 am, Kwill said:

    In the final phases of last year’s election, I often reminded folks, “Don’t think for a minute that power concedes without a fight,” and it’s especially true today. But that’s okay — we’re not afraid of a fight. And as you continue to prove, when all of us work together, we have what it takes to win.

    That’s a chilling statement of doublespeak coming from Obama, considering he’s the one IN power. He won’t give it up without a fight, and he’s not afraid to fight (being the commander of our entire military after all).

  49. #249
    On November 9th, 2009 at 9:26 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Kwill said: He won’t give it up without a fight, and he’s not afraid to fight (being the commander of our entire military after all).

    Hollow words; if Obama was sincere about ‘not being afraid to fight’ I think we’d have seen some resolve to achieve victory in Afghanistan by now. He’s a sniveling coward underneath as most thugs are because they have no principled ground to stand upon and defend. Obama – “Flounderer in Chief”.

  50. #250
    On November 9th, 2009 at 9:27 am, tiredofit08 said:

    On November 9th, 2009 at 8:39 am, stillontheroad said:

    The only thing missing from this crime was Piglosi wavng her gavel and Yelling”Death to the Republic”.

    that and just ripping down the American flag and replacing it with either a hammer and sickle or that iconic photo of dear leader…either way it’d be the same….

  51. #251
    On November 9th, 2009 at 9:35 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    jsmiddleton4 said: I had to hit a grocery store at lunch today. Packed. Not one person looking like they’ve lost confidence in their future.

    Probably not a good example because people have to buy food to eat however I too notice jammed parking lots at malls and restaurants that indicate people still have assets to spend – they are all sheep spending their seed corn to continue a delusion that nothing is wrong.

    There is one very good sign in contrast though- credit has shunk dramatically.

  52. #252
    On November 9th, 2009 at 9:54 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    220 traitors and thieves.

  53. #253
    On November 9th, 2009 at 9:55 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Dick Morris just mentioned that the League of American Voters needs our support to run this ad across the country.

  54. #254
    On November 9th, 2009 at 10:07 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “they are all sheep spending their seed corn to continue a delusion that nothing is wrong.”

    So one of the core beliefs of the left in general is people need to be led. We need elitist who CAN lead, to lead us. Otherwise we left to ourselves can’t manage our own lives. Smaller government, less intrusive government, so people can live their own lives and pursuit life, liberty and happiness as they see fit is a mistaken belief. That people can only have better lives if someone older and wiser tells us what to do.

    Would you please explain to me how the view of the American people that you are expressing, as an apparent conservative, is any different than the left’s?

    People are stupid and if left to themselves inherently do the wrong thing?

    So what, its ok if the government runs our lives as long as the people doing it you agree with politically? So the problem isn’t the concept, government running our lives, the problem for you is its current implementation because its leftist doing it?

  55. #255
    On November 9th, 2009 at 10:13 am, nuss said:

    Cao should be drummed out of the Republican Party. Why do we keep electing useless empty suits like Cao?

  56. #256
    On November 9th, 2009 at 10:29 am, conservativesRus said:

    On November 9th, 2009 at 10:07 am, jsmiddleton4 said:
    Would you please explain to me how the view of the American people that you are expressing, as an apparent conservative, is any different than the left’s?

    I wasn’t the person who “expressed the view” – but I’ll say it’s easy to explain. The American people don’t have all the info. The media isn’t doing their job, the schools have dumbed down the populace and the politicians (for the most part) have little interest in really informing. Consequently, people have no idea it’s their last day before the slaughter.

    I do have to say your “nothing has happened” stance is wildly optimistic.
    By your logic, when the 9/11 conspirators met to plan an attack, “nothing had happened”. When they went to flight school, “nothing had happened”. When they finally boarded the planes, “nothing had happend”.
    So keep with your delusion that the vote in the house meant nothing.
    I contend it means lots.

  57. #257
    On November 9th, 2009 at 10:29 am, graysonret said:

    Just finished watching 2 shows, “Let Freedom Ring”, with 3 vets, some HS history teachers and students touring WW2 sites in France and Belgium. They were both powerful shows on the price my father’s generation paid for the freedom I got as a gift, and what it means to the new generation. The rows of crosses of American dead was sobering. Now we have people wanting to take a lot of that away, so they have more power and profit. This isn’t about health care; it’s about power. The price paid for freedom was very high. I don’t want to watch it die, “amid thunderous applause”.

  58. #258
    On November 9th, 2009 at 10:35 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    jsmiddleton4 said: Would you please explain to me how the view of the American people that you are expressing, as an apparent conservative, is any different than the left’s?

    Just as there is only ONE US Constitution – there was only ONE Paul Revere. You can extrapolate the outcome based reasoning from there…

  59. #259
    On November 9th, 2009 at 10:38 am, Mainah said:

    How Mike Michaud, D-Maine got bought off:

    Border commission gets $1.5M in federal funds What a coincidence. Not.

    President Barack Obama has signed a federal appropriations bill that allocates $1.5 million for the Northern Border Regional Commission.

    The NBRC was created in 2007 in legislation sponsored by 2nd District Rep. Mike Michaud, D-Maine. The commission is charged with investing in the economic development of the most economically distressed areas of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and parts of upstate New York.

    This is the first time the commission has been funded. With Obama’s signature on the new law, Michaud said he looks forward to the help the commission can give.

    “The economic development commission will now be able to begin working for the people of Maine and the northern border region,” Michaud continued. “If there was ever a time to get this commission off the ground it is now.” ( of course it is now, you jackass, now is when he can count on your vote in exchange for his money, even though you have repeatedly expressed your own reservations about it.)

    Michaud’s pet legislation finally got funded by the taxpayer. It is no coincidence that he was publicly bemoaning his hesitance to vote yes on healthcare reform.

    The New York Times reported on its Web site Sunday that Democratic officials said a conversation between Michaud and President Barack Obama was crucial in winning “one final vote.”

    It wasn’t until Saturday morning that he issued a statement indicating his support.

    “After hundreds of meetings, hours of careful consideration and lots of soul-searching, I have decided to lend my support to the historic opportunity that confronts us today,” he said.

    QUID PRO QUO?? You betcha!!! Michaud’s pet legislation finally got funded by the taxpayer to the tune of One and one half million dollars!! You better believe Obama bought him.

  60. #260
    On November 9th, 2009 at 10:44 am, Mainah said:

    Wouldn’t it be fun to note every single person that voted for this bill and what federal dollars suddenly start rolling into their districts? Illuminating, no doubt.

  61. #261
    On November 9th, 2009 at 10:50 am, chapoutier said:

    No markets open today jsmiddle. tomm you will see some specifics.

    Guess this prediction didn’t quite pan out.

  62. #262
    On November 9th, 2009 at 11:27 am, conservativesRus said:

    On November 9th, 2009 at 10:50 am, chapoutier said:

    No markets open today jsmiddle. tomm you will see some specifics.

    Guess this prediction didn’t quite pan out.

    Um – you saw the dollar go down, gold and oil both up. These indicate that the “world with money” thinks the US economy is worth less today than they did on Friday. So in fact, the prediction is not wrong at all.

  63. #263
    On November 9th, 2009 at 12:27 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “So in fact, the prediction is not wrong at all.”

    Except the trend of gold going up the dollar going down has been happening quite independently of the health care bill. Suddenly now its because of the health care bill?

    What was it two weeks ago when the market was doing the same?

  64. #264
    On November 9th, 2009 at 12:32 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I sorta feel badly for Cao. He did the right thing by representing his district. His doing so of course shines the light quite judgmentally on those folks who voted “Yes” when their districts were clearly a “No” vote.

    But as we see coming out today Cao’s vote was bought. IF he would have indicated he was going to represent his district and vote “Yes” despite the R after his name and because of that Obama promised him some stuff, well ok.

    But that is not the time line. Cao’s integrity taking a big hit today.

    AND he won’t see a dime of what Obama promised and the health care vote he whored out, that bill is dead.

    Another one bites the dust…..
    Another one under the bus……

    This whole health care thing has been a true God send!

  65. #265
    On November 9th, 2009 at 12:32 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “So in fact, the prediction is not wrong at all.”

    And as chap noted, at least I assume so, the market is UP!

  66. #266
    On November 9th, 2009 at 12:44 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Just as there is only ONE US Constitution – there was only ONE Paul Revere. You can extrapolate the outcome based reasoning from there…”

    Well ok. What does that have to do with what I asked you.

    Seems to me you chicken little types have something very in common with the left. You share the way Americans are perceived.

    Conservativism puts its faith in Americans not in government. It says at its core leave people alone because despite all our differences in how we pursuit life, liberty and happiness, at the end of the day we are all better, our country is stronger and we as a people are better when people are free to do so.

    The left and you chicken little types seem to believe the American people are quite secondary AND in general people are not to be trusted.

    You also share in practice that government is the answer and therefore it is of the highest import to have the “right” kind of government. The problem currently is NOT that the government has power. The problem is its the wrong kind of people yielding that power. So get the right kind of people in there damn it!

    A belief system that caused the Republican party to become Democrat-lite. The kind of belief system Colin Powell as popularized. A belief system that appropriately is called hypocritical by some on the left.

    Conservatives are not looking for the “right” kind of government so then we are okay with government’s size, intrusion and expense.

    Conservatives are looking for maximizing life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness because it is the PEOPLE that are America, not the government.

    And me, I believe that the freer chap is, the better my life is. I want the government to be all that it is suppose to be and in doing so only take away the bare minimum of personal liberty so that by chap being as free as he can be, I am better, my life is better, my kids lives are better too.

    I believe in Americans. And I do so both because I am and in order to be a conservative.

    “We the people” not “we the government”

    Get a grip. It is a great time to be alive and an American.

  67. #267
    On November 9th, 2009 at 12:53 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On November 9th, 2009 at 12:32 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “So in fact, the prediction is not wrong at all.”

    And as chap noted, at least I assume so, the market is UP!

    The market is up but the dollar is down. Only if “the market” goes up by more than the dollar has gone down, has your dollar based total wealth vis-a-vis the rest of the world gone up.
    I stand by my previous comment – the “world’s wealth” thinks the USA is worth less today than they did last Friday.

  68. #268
    On November 9th, 2009 at 12:59 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    After hundreds of meetings, hours of careful consideration and lots of soul-searching, I have decided to lend my support to the historic opportunity that confronts us today,” I was bought off because I’m a whore,” he said.

  69. #269
    On November 9th, 2009 at 1:27 pm, RedDog said:

    Did Bobby Jindal appoint this guy?

  70. #270
    On November 9th, 2009 at 2:33 pm, tiredofit08 said:
  71. #271
    On November 9th, 2009 at 2:46 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    jsmiddleton4 said:
    …Seems to me you chicken little types have something very in common with the left.

    …You also share in practice that government is the answer

    …Get a grip.

    Nothing you said about applies to me in the least so YOU get a GRIP! Start with re-reading this post.
    As for my sheep remark, most of the colonists were sheep back in 1775, sitting on the sidelines waiting to see what was going to happen. But it didn’t take many people to sound the alarm, (my reference to a single person Paul Revere), and the job got DONE, (my reference to the US Constitution).

    (Don’t you ever talk to me like that again!)

  72. #272
    On November 9th, 2009 at 3:08 pm, WaterBoyz said:

    According to the WSJ, Cao voted AFTER the Dem-o-Craps got 218. AFTER he got a call from BHO who promised more free aid to Katrina “victims”.

    BHO only wanted to be able to use the word “bipartisan”.

  73. #273
    On November 9th, 2009 at 3:23 pm, WaterBoyz said:

    More CAO info from FoxNews.
    CAO VOTE setup

  74. #274
    On November 9th, 2009 at 4:07 pm, rightisright said:

    all photos of this dirt bag, whore Cao along with all demcrats in the house need to have the flag of The United States of America removed from all their photos, they do not represent the majority of Americans. they are traitors to the greatest country in history.

  75. #275
    On November 9th, 2009 at 4:29 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “the “world’s wealth” thinks the USA is worth less today than they did last Friday.”

    Could be. But as noted that action has nothing to do with the House’s meaningless health care mess. The world has been in that mode for some time now. Had nothing to do with Saturday’s vote.

  76. #276
    On November 9th, 2009 at 4:30 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    And we’re at what a 200 +/- gain?

  77. #277
    On November 9th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Whatever dances. You still didn’t answer how this answer:

    “Just as there is only ONE US Constitution – there was only ONE Paul Revere. You can extrapolate the outcome based reasoning from there…”

    Applies to this question.

    “Would you please explain to me how the view of the American people that you are expressing, as an apparent conservative, is any different than the left’s?”

  78. #278
    On November 9th, 2009 at 5:03 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On November 9th, 2009 at 4:29 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:
    “ But as noted that action has nothing to do with the House’s meaningless health care mess.

    I’m amazed that you continue to think it meaninless. When did the 9/11 hijackers actions become meaningful?
    Do you not understand this is yet another step toward complete government control?
    Do you not understand that the Senate could pass a bill titled “health care” but yet the text of the bill read “pennies have two sides”. The “pennies have two sides” would pass. What would happen in conference then?

  79. #279
    On November 9th, 2009 at 5:25 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    jsmiddleton4 said: “Would you please explain to me how the view of the American people that you are expressing, as an apparent conservative, is any different than the left’s?”

    My view as in the sheep eating their seed corn, i.e. people still spending their money even though they’re being herded toward the edge of a cliff?

    Michelle Malkin used to use Longfellow’s, “The pen became a clarion” at the top of this page, (why she took it away??), and it was appropriate – she’s sounding the alarm as most of us here are as well. Is doesn’t take many to sound the alarm, to expose the evil. The best way for evil to succeed is for good men, (and woman!), to remain silent. But it doesn’t take many shouting the truth to get the attention of those sheep.

    My pointing out the behavior of others who are currently ignoring the call, (for reasons pointed out by others such as state run media, etc.), was to underline the fact that we do not have to rely on them to lead because they are followers. Nor was I endorsing their behavior – I was chastising them for it.

    The difference is that while the left are wolves looking at the ‘sheep’ as raw meat, (votes), I look at them with disappointment hoping that they’ll eventually wake up and look back to realize people like us were just trying to be good shepherds until they did.

    ( Even if some look like this! ;) )

  80. #280
    On November 9th, 2009 at 8:20 pm, nlebou said:

    On November 9th, 2009 at 1:27 pm, RedDog said:

    Did Bobby Jindal appoint this guy?


    No, he was elected to replace Dollar Bill Jefferson
    in a democrat district.

  81. #281
    On November 9th, 2009 at 8:21 pm, nlebou said:

    Not my district, although Charlie Melancon who is my rep and a Dem voted against it.

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