Health care takeover roll call vote — and what GOP Rep. Joseph Cao got from Obama; Plus: Organizing for America hustles more money
The final 220-215 roll call vote on passage of the House Dems’ government health care takeover bill is here.
And here is the 240-194 roll call vote on the Stupak amendment to extend the ban on federal abortion subsidies to Obamacare/Pelosicare.
Thanks to Doug Powers for filling in while I spoke at the Foundation for Life event in Sugar Land, Texas tonight. What an incredible juxtaposition it was — meeting and talking with the true agents of Hope and Change, the true guardians of innocent life, and the true advocates for women and children outside the Beltway as the Democrat majority inside the Beltway rammed the massive, job-killing, high-taxing, bureaucracy-multiplying, generational debt-piling health care monstrosity down America’s throat.
One Republican voted for Pelosicare: GOP Rep. Anh (Joseph) Cao of Louisiana.
Yes, he’s the one who took over corruptocrat Democrat William Jefferson’s seat. I had reservations about him on election night because of his soft-on-immigration views. But I gave him the benefit of the doubt. If he could stand strong on limited government and fiscal conservatism, it would be worth it.
Well, since he was elected, Cao has backed the S-CHIP expansion, the $108 billion IMF bailout, and the omni-waste spending bill. And he voted to rebuke GOP Rep. Joe Wilson for calling out President Obama on his health care lies.
That is a steep price to pay for Rep. William Jefferson’s removal.
Can’t the GOP do better?
For what it is worth, here is the cheap price the Democrats paid for Cao’s vote:
Louisiana Congressman Anh “Joseph” Cao on Sunday morning released a statement after he voted as the only Republican in favor of the Democratic health care reform bill.
The health care reform bill, dubbed the “Affordable Health Care for America Act” (H.R. 3962), passed the U.S. House of Representatives in a 220 – 215 vote.
“Tonight, I voted to keep taxpayer dollars from funding abortion and to deliver access to affordable health care to the people of Louisiana,” Cao said in a statement released by his office. “I read the versions of the House [health reform] bill. I listened to the countless stories of Orleans and Jefferson Parish citizens whose health care costs are exploding – if they are able to obtain health care at all. Louisianans needs real options for primary care, for mental health care, and for expanded health care for seniors and children.”
Cao wrote he obtained commitment from President Obama that he would work together to address the health care issues of Louisiana, including the FMAP crisis and community disaster loan forgiveness, as well as issues related to Charity and Methodist Hospitals. “I call on all my constituents to support me as I work with him on these issues.”
He obtained a “commitment from President Obama.”
You know what that’s worth: Nothing.
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This email from President Obama hustling up money for Organizing for America arrived in the email box at 1:45am Eastern. He sure can work fast when he wants to:
This evening, at 11:15 p.m., the House of Representatives voted to pass their health insurance reform bill. Despite countless attempts over nearly a century, no chamber of Congress has ever before passed comprehensive health reform. This is history.
But you and millions of your fellow Organizing for America supporters didn’t just witness history tonight — you helped make it. Each “yes” vote was a brave stand, backed up by countless hours of knocking on doors, outreach in town halls and town squares, millions of signatures, and hundreds of thousands of calls. You stood up. You spoke up. And you were heard.
So this is a night to celebrate — but not to rest. Those who voted for reform deserve our thanks, and the next phase of this fight has already begun.
The final Senate bill hasn’t even been released yet, but the insurance companies are already pressing hard for a filibuster to bury it. OFA has built a massive neighborhood-by-neighborhood operation to bring people’s voices to Congress, and tonight we saw the results. But the coming days will put our efforts to the ultimate test. Winning will require each of us to give everything we can, starting right now.
Please donate $5 or whatever you can afford so we can finish this fight.
Tonight’s vote brought every American closer to the secure, affordable care we need. But it was also a watershed moment in how change is made.
Even after last year’s election, many insider lobbyists and partisan operatives really thought that the old formula of scare tactics, D.C. back-scratching and special-interest money would still be enough to block any idea they didn’t like. Now, they’re desperate. Because, tonight, you made it crystal clear: the old rules are changing — and the people will not be ignored.
In the final phases of last year’s election, I often reminded folks, “Don’t think for a minute that power concedes without a fight,” and it’s especially true today. But that’s okay — we’re not afraid of a fight. And as you continue to prove, when all of us work together, we have what it takes to win.
Please donate to OFA’s campaign to win this fight and ensure that real health reform reaches my desk by the end of this year:
https://donate.barackobama.com/History
Let’s keep making history,
President Barack Obama
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Reading the email, I thought “Hugo Chavez couldn’t have said it better.”
This is the beginning of the end.
I was getting my hair cut and mentioned that I went to Washington on the Tea Party bus. The barber at the chair next to me went on line, found our tea party site and joined on the spot. People are eager to help…they just need us to be more vocal, less afraid.
I haven’t decided that Bachmann is a mole. I am, however, questioning her judgment. She IS after all an unknown politician. ALL politicians are suspect, even the very Sarah Palin in whom I am pinning my high hopes for next year.
Regardless of Bachmann’s true motives, I consider her “Tea Parties” to have been poorly conducted. Those generic conservative speeches from the usual RINO suspects ruined everything. Who can now argue that the Tea Party movement is not a Republican affair? We are now forced to backtrack tp re-establish that all of those Democrat and independent voters who showed up at the other Tea Parties were not being used.
I really hope Glenn Beck discusses this issue and soon. We can’t make this mistake again and someone needs to force Bachmann to explain herself. No one among us is above suspicion.
Anyone who comes to the MM site (and is not a troll) should join their local Tea Party group. All politics is supposedly local and these groups are looking for candidates for the next election. It is definitely time to act and not just talk
If you have done more in the Party, for Conservatism, for the country and fellow Americans than I neither of us can say. But we have seen it all before: the defeat of Barry Goldwater in 1964-end of the world. Fall of Saigon-end of the world. The renomination of Gerald Ford and election of Jimmy Carter-end of the world. The pardon of draft dodgers and deserters-end of the world.
People get upset, vent and then get to work. We have seen it all before. It is part and parcel of the human condition: work with it. At the moment more than just a few of us are on a one shot mission to deny John McCain the renomination for the U.S. Senate-how we do is to be seen. But there is work to be done and people being upset it what got the folks moving.
“rend some cloaks”
Forget about Cao. He’s not the issue. His district will vote for whoever will get them the most stuff, and Cao made a deal with Dear Leader to supposedly do that. Aside from that, all things equal, his district is solid democrat. Cao is just another lib/RINO with an R after his name.
Polls show 57% of voters oppose this pile of donkey droppings. That means 10 to 15 Congresscritters voted against the wishes of their constituents. Those are the ones to target.
GA has 13 reps, 6 are Dems. Of these, Barrow and Marshal voted Nay. Two others, Bishop (2nd) and Scott (13th) voted yes – very likely against the wishes of their districts. That’s where my efforts are focussed. Find out who the opposition candidates are where the dems are vulnerable and support them. DO NOT give anything to the RNC, but directly to conservative candidates who have a viable chance. I also learned there is a Tea Party planned in the 13th, not far from me. I’ll be there if at all possible.
Forget Cao. Do your local homework and hit them where it makes a difference. And keep the pressure on the Senate to dump this steaming pile of crap where it belongs.
We are not, I repeat NOT “screwed”. This gives us even more momentum. Use it.
“Absurd – blaming this fiasco on the voters who wouldn’t hold their nose and vote for McCain?”
Nope. Not absurd at all. And I didn’t say it was not voting for McCain. I said it was not voting.
People who threw their little Republicans aren’t conservative enough tantrum and did not participate are very much part of why we have a left liberal majority.
People quite openly expressed the desire to teach someone a lesson. Well here’s the lesson those folks wished upon us. Obama/Pelosi/Barney Frank/…..
I’m guessing the biggest lesson those folks learned is by not voting, you can really get screwed and will never make that mistake again.
Which is one more reason 2010 is going to be great to watch.
On November 8th, 2009 at 9:42 am, happyscrapper said:
I know how you feel. We are on Tricare, which was promised when I joined the Air Force in 1975 to be free medical, dental, and eye for life provided you serve 20 years, but we still pay a modest annual fee for the right to be denied service at the local military medical treatment facility, which only covers medical, we have other insurance for dental and eye. There is no way we can come up with the $15K a year to cover the government’s policy so there is no way we can avoid becoming criminals under this fascist bill. My wife and I (both veterans) are furious. What a nice gift from the fascists in the Congress for Veteran’s Day! Maybe now they can get off their fat asses and pass the Defense Appropriation so our troops have the funds they require to finish this war!
If health care is an intrinsic right, necessary for the basic health and wellbeing of the individual, then what about food and shelter? Why not subsidize those for ALL Americans? After all, government already subsidizes food-stamps and federal housing, so why don’t they go all the way and pay everyone’s grocery bills and rent/mortgage?
And while government is at it, why not pay for eveyone car insurance? – that’ll cut down on hospital and ER rates. And why not subsidize everyone’s utility bills; after all, aren’t running water and electric lights are necessary for good hygiene and safe from accidental falls in the dark? Also, why doesn’t government pay for… .
The list is endless. And if government takes over health care declaring it a right, then where is the line between rights and privileges, and who decides it – is it a fixed certainty, or an arbitrary right of the party in power? And the bigger question: Who is going to pay for all this? Because at 10% unemployment and rising, we the people can’t.
What was the margin of victory for this bill?
How many seats did the Democrats pick up recently?
If you said “two” to both questions, then you will have to agree that the recent special Congressional elections has had more direct impact on the Nation than did the elections in NJ and VA.
Nope, not diminishing the Republican gains, just pointing out that it is intelletually dishonest to hang your hat on saying the country is turnng it’s back on the Democrat agenda.
Let’s not get back into the McCain nonsense again but we would have had all of this under McCain. He is pro-amnesty, pro-open borders, pro-Cap and Trade, and would not have vetoed national health care. The mistake in last year’s elections was by those who stayed home instead of voting for “none of the above”. There is a big difference between a president who wins with 52% versus one who wins with 45%. That was what you “stay home” people contributed to the problem. There is no such thing as a “wasted vote”, especiaaly when the GOP now has 3rd party numbers. Let’s fill the vacuum they created by warring on their conservative base.
“Nope, not diminishing the Republican gains, just pointing out that it is intelletually dishonest to hang your hat on saying the country is turnng it’s back on the Democrat agenda.”
Given that the observation that the country is indeed turning its back on Obama is based on way more than a few elections I’d say its a bait and switch tactic to attempt to force the facts of the matter onto just those special elections.
Or maybe its intellecutally dishonest to try and do so?
Awkward sentence.
I meant, let’s fill the vacuum the GOP created when they declared war on us conservatives by purging the corrupt GOP leadership or else by creating our own party. We don’t need to go down with that ship.
“We are on Tricare”
In the work I do I had the opportunity to bump up against Tricare last weekend. Vet’s 89 year old widow and Tricare member could not get her glaucoma eye drops refilled through Tricare. I got involved as she could not navigate the call this, push that, talk to this office, maze.
What a mess. My boss ended up authorizing the medication and we paid for it out of our funds until the lady’s daughters could spend the time needed to at least try and get Tricare to do the right thing.
Tricare went way down on the list in my book.
I’m surprised that the dimocraps didn’t reach behind the speakers podium and replace the American flag with something along the lines of a hammer and sickle or the iconic dear leader poster….might as well have….
Well at least we know that our idiot-in-chief is NOT listening to the majority and we are anti-government extremists. In other words we are an out & out threat to his new government plans and are enemy of the state! By the very statements he has made he is at war w/us the citizens of the United States. This proves we must continue the fight to take our country back from this dictator and NEVER let up on this current government. I know we are all tired and frustrated. But, these comments alone should energize us even more to take down this Marxist! Please take note of my tag line we may be the only 30% to take our country back and change the HORRIBLE paradigm shift he and his minions have in store for our great country.
Lawmakers Detail Obama’s Pitch
By Jackie Calmes
In an odd coincidence, the House debate on Saturday to overhaul health care took place on the third anniversary of the 2006 election that gave Democrats majority control after 12 years of Republican dominance. It fell to President Obama and to Congressional leaders to persuade those Democrats still sweating the final vote that it would not prove the party’s undoing in next November’s midterm elections.
The House Debate
Both Mr. Obama and the House leaders showcased Democrats’ newest colleague, Representative Bill Owens, who last Tuesday won a special election in an upstate New York district that Republicans had held since 1872. In the campaign, Mr. Owens gave unabashed support to the pending House health care bill, despite the opposition of national conservative groups, including the new Tea Party Patriots, who backed Mr. Owens’ conservative rival.
Mr. Obama, during his private pep talk to Democrats, recognized Mr. Owens election and then posed a question to the other lawmakers. According to Representative Earl Blumenauer of Oregon, who supports the health care bill, the president asked, “Does anybody think that the teabag, anti-government people are going to support them if they bring down health care? All it will do is confuse and dispirit” Democratic voters “and it will encourage the extremists.”
Another freshman Democrat from New Mexico, Representative Martin Heinrich, said the president’s comments overall were reassuring. “If you want to see a recipe for failure,” Mr. Heinrich said, “don’t do the things you talked about in your campaigns and turn your back on your base. All the independent voters in the world don’t matter if the Democrats don’t turn out.”
“This is an opportunity to do something as big as Social Security,” he added. “And me, personally, I don’t want to be on the wrong side of history.”
“During the American Revolution 70% of the citizens were loyal to the King or apathetic. The other 30% founded a Nation.”
“This country was built by the philosophy of equal opportunity, not equal results.”
Patience.
On November 8th, 2009 at 10:02 am, jsmiddleton4 said:
“We are on Tricare”
In the work I do I had the opportunity to bump up against Tricare last weekend. Vet’s 89 year old widow and Tricare member could not get her glaucoma eye drops refilled through Tricare. I got involved as she could not navigate the call this, push that, talk to this office, maze.
What a mess. My boss ended up authorizing the medication and we paid for it out of our funds until the lady’s daughters could spend the time needed to at least try and get Tricare to do the right thing.
Tricare went way down on the list in my book.
if you think that’s bad I’m on medicare with tricare as my backup and the wife’s primary is tricare…I have had few problems. tricare is regional and they do not all have the same insurance carriers behind them…
Now that this socialist scheme has barely passed the House, the protests will be doubly loud. No way this garbage gets through the Senate, no way. Cannot wait until 2010; will be a political bloodbath for the Dems. Goodbye Marxists.
“Lieutenant Colonel Travis sir.”
“Yes?”
“Did you know there is, well let me count once more. There’s one, two, three, four… by my latest count sir there’s now at least 1192 Mexican soldiers out there sir and I’m thinking there may be even more!”
Lieutenant colonel Travis, “Mr. Bowie.”
“Yes Colonel?”
“Would you put down that knife for a moment and throw this Mexican soldier counting chicken little over the wall please!”
“Why yes sir. Me and the boys would be glad to.”
I am getting really tired of hearing this! Vote for a third party on principle! Well, look what it has gotten us! If people had voted for republicans instead of third party, we perhaps would not be in the minority in the house or senate. And that would mean that Pelosi and Reid would not be the majority leaders!! What part of that don’t you understand??? This isn’t just about voting your conscience…it is about being realistic, and voting so that we at least had a chance at booting the crapweasels, Pelosi and Reid out of the chairmanship!! And, by the way, how many people with “R” after their name voted for this bill??? Hmmmm?? ONE. A third party vote is a wasted vote!
“has barely passed the House”
Yep. Barely. Will be sold as major victory of course. It isn’t.
Absolutely sure why the “other side” is going to act like its a major victory.
Still unclear as to why my side is.
Work picking up. Will check in later to see what the Mexican soldier count final tab is.
and one gop vote will make it the greatest bi-partisian vote/effort ever…
Count this episode as a reason to finally put the dems out to permanent pasture. They’ve shot their whole wad at once, and will continue to do so, until they are in a 50 year minority.
That won’t happen if we waste our votes on third party candidates who don’t have a prayer of winning. We need to pick conservative candidates, but not be so damned rigid that we lose, big time!! This is not the time for us to fracture our votes into little pieces! I’m not saying we should compromise our principles. Just choose candidates wisely, work hard for them, and defeat the liberals. We can’t do that if we split our votes. That is the unfortunate reality here. We didn’t get to this place overnight. And we can’t fix it overnight either. I’m not talking about supporting liberals in republican garb like Ms. Schizophrenia in NY. Those people are transparent and we should be able to weed them out.
On November 8th, 2009 at 10:16 am, jsmiddleton4 said:
Uhm. You do realize that everyone died at the Alamo. Right?
I have never seen a picture of the stupidest man in the world. Thank you Michelle. I am the more informed citizen now.
Let me tell you something Joe, besides being the stupidest person in the world, you can take the commitment you got from Obama, put it together with a quarter, and you can buy a nice shiny, big, colored gumball with it. . .you twit. Now, go back to your playpin and play with your toys.
Update to my previous post. The AMA will not now reconsider its endorsement of Obamacare. Apparently the delegates who wanted to vote to rescind were “persuaded” of its “benefits.”
On November 8th, 2009 at 10:33 am, happyscrapper said
Shoulda coulda but didn’t, and had a minor internecine war over it with Gingrich Republicans who don’t want us to appear too extreme.
Talk of “calming down” so we don’t frighten the chillren in the MSM is a bad idea right now. It’s time to start being pushy about who’s running for congress NOW… primaries happening soon.
But on the whole I agree with you.
Yea, we have one too…Obama won’t sign a bill that adds one dime to the deficit although this one will cost up to $2trillion. We all know that he keeps his promises.
sarc/
I just put up a new posting and image in honor of the Obamalosicare that passed last night:
http://thelcabroadside.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/obamacare-big-government-control/
I would love to see this image at tea parties across the country next time around.
Okay, I knew he was bad for America. But, after reading his OFA email, I now know he is NOT my president. How can this man look at himself in the mirror?
“Constitution, what constitution”????
Yeah, that’s what they thought they were doing with Dede Scozzafava.
Well, it won’t be secure and it won’t be affordable, but 0 for 2 isn’t bad for the Zero.
All Medicare Advantage plans are gone under this bill save one: Medigap, AARP’s plan. Surprised that AARP endorsed this?
Those with Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Humana Gold, etc., will be subjected to rationed care and eventually forced elimination by the caring bureaucrats in Washington.
Maybe they’ll save the time and put us to sleep like dogs and cats.
It is very important that one thing come out of post-vote analysis. We need to know precisely which Democrats voted no ‘by permission’ versus on their principles.
The order of the votes could be the key to this; how many of the Dems voted ‘No’ AFTER they had 218 ‘Yes’. I know for a fact the Chet Edwards (CD17-TX) was a ‘Permission’ No vote. They should pay the price as if they voted Yes because they are supporting those that foisted this nightmare onto us.
You do understand that the Senate can pass literally anything at all now, and then simply substitute the House version in conference, after which it will only need a simple majority of the Senate to pass it?
My Take on what happened at the tea party is that these ‘R’s realized the impact the Tea Party movement is having and they wanted some of it to rub off on them. They saw how many were backing Michelle and they wanted ‘in the club’ too.
They just failed to realize that Michelle has been endlessly fighting for conservatives (has anyone been watching late night CSpan?) and THAT is why she was accepted. The others will have to earn our trust before they are accepted.
I just went to Joey’s web site to leave him a love note but, OH MY GOODNESS, HE REFUSES TO ACCEPT ANY EMAILS FROM OUTSIDE OF HIS DISTRICT! Well, we all know how to get around that, now don’t we.
got this idea off another site…let’s start using it…
EXCELLENT!
“Uhm. You do realize that everyone died at the Alamo. Right?”
You do realize Texas won the war with Mexico right?
Not suprised you don’t see the bigger picture Film. Not at all.
“Colonel Travis, I b b b b b believe the count is up to 1423 Mexican soldiers sir. M M M M M Maybe I should have left with the women folk and the children?”
“Why yes, I suppose you should have. Would you like to put on a dress now? The men could use a good laugh.” Colonel Travis replied.
Are you referring to that 3rd party GOP you keep leading us all back to? Conservatives are 40% of all voters expressing the positions of about 60-70% of Americans. Republicans are down to 20% of registered voters and sinking so you are right, why would conservatives want to waste their votes supporting THAT 3rd party when we already represent more than half of America?
Do you finally see what is wrong with your reasoning? GOP=Democrat.
“My Take on what happened at the tea party is that these ‘R’s realized the impact the Tea Party movement is having and they wanted some of it to rub off on them.”
Yep. At the end of the day the are after all politicians. (Best Gomer Pyle voice) Surprise, surprise!
They are as much a part and share responsibility for the situation we are in now as the people who voted third party, and the people who voted for the democrat. Because the result was the same. The democrat won. And look at the results so far.
That is a steep price to pay for this petty ‘McAmnesty’ bullsh*t/anti GOP kabuki. It’s a big show, it makes the ‘real conservatives’ feel better, and it accomplishes nothing. Well, not ‘nothing,’ it helps democrats.
AND
No. They haven’t learned their lesson. Just look around. The same idiocy that helped Obama win happened again in the NY23 race. They made a bad situation worse, and then think that conservatism won because of their actions. Who gives a flying *k what this moron woman’s view on abortion or pro-labor. The carpetbagger who doesn’t live in NY23 but was one of those ‘real conservatives’ helped to make sure that the democrat won. And the third party screwed the republicans and conservatives. Again.
Like I said. They won’t learn any lesson from the mistakes of their actions. They will just blame this on someone else. It’s actions like this, based on emotions and denial that is the hallmark of liberals. And now to many on our side as well. Much to the detriment of us all.
Sorry, but what is OFA email? I guess maybe I am losing touch with all the jargon out there!
I respect the fact he is a former Vietnamese refugee, but I think Mr Cao needs a mental health analysis.
You know what, Pasadena? I disagree with your viewpoint on this. Totally. I don’t think this is the time to leave the GOP and try a new party. Not when our very liberty and freedom is on the line! Maybe when we get the majority back in Congress, we can be more rigid about weeding them out. In the meantime, I ask again…How many congresspeople with the “R” after their names voted FOR this crap bill? ONE! Looks like the “R”s came through for us, don’t you think? And if we had more “R”s in congress right now, we would have a better chance of defeating this bill. No?? Reality check here. We needed more “R”s in congress for this vote…we could have defeated it, except for the people who voted third party, thus securing the liberal majority.
jsm & filmladd – You two remind me of growing up with five other siblings. The quarreling and bickering were constant, but it stopped at the door. No one could pick on us from outside the family! We could fight like cats and dogs amongst ourselves, and, boy, we did! But let a non-family member try and pick on one of us and we closed ranks and the claws came out.
The fighting and bickering are a natural, and good, part of the process. But, try and keep in mind we are on the same side, after the same basic result.
I am sure that “chocolate city” citizens can all be proud of their politicians. Keep the freebees coming folks, that’s all we “Nawlins” citizens care about, just keep the freebees coming. Oh, by the way, when is the next election? I need another five dollar bill.
No, Thomas. You are wrong. You know I usually side with you in your battles with the incorrigible third party fanatics, but your inclination to compromise with the (D)evil is too strong.
The people who created the loss in NY-23 were not the conservatives. The people at fault were the people who chose Scozzafava, knowing full well (unless they are complete political idiots) it would outrage the conservatives in the party.
At that point there were still other choices besides Hoffman and Scozzafava.
Blaming the conservatives for resisting the Shake Hands With The Devil crowd when that crowd has clearly gone over the top is just nonsense.
And we would have lost last night’s vote anyway. Pelosi had a deep pool of Democrats who were just voting ‘no’ for political cover. If she needed them, she could have had them.
The vote was not really close at all.
“remind me of growing up with five other siblings.”
Film’s looking at me again jj and breathing my air!
He just looked at me again!
“The vote was not really close at all.”
You can speculate all day. And the idea that a “No” vote gave them cover when moveon.org has already threatened any “no” voters is a bit of stretch.
We have the vote count. It was close.
“keep in mind we are on the same side”
Sorry but I am not on the same side as someone who is so busy counting Mexican soldiers that they aren’t figuring out how to shoot better by doing a little target practice.
We don’t need no stinking chicken littles at this most amazing time in history.
We need Davy, Davy Crocket, king of the wild frontier…..
Hey, he’s looking at me again jj.
Wait until one of them, or a family member, gets seriously ill, only to find out that there is a long wait for surgery/treatment. Or, because they’re 50 pounds overweight…coverage denied, until they diet it off.
JS, This was an unpopular bill. Unpopular bills the politicians really want (even overwhelmingly want) always pass by a razor thin margine so representatives in tough districts can get political cover.
That is Politics 101.
The speculation is on your part. Thinking that was not what was happening this time is pure fantasy.
OMG. We are NOT defeated!
Even if it passes the Senate AND the Committee, we are NOT defeated!
The judicial branch can resolve this without relying on repeals in Congress.
Just remember all of those congresscritters who approved of Sonya Satomayor (or whatever, you know, the ‘non-blind’ justice) and boot them out next election!
Viva-la Conservatives! WE WILL WIN.
Sigh…all right, pretty soon it will be a “time out” for you, mister. Just wait til you mother gets home! (Mothers can be much scarier than dads!)
“Thinking that was not what was happening this time is pure fantasy.”
Huh? I have the vote. That’s all the facts there are. Beyond that its all speculation. And like I said in the fact of moveon.org’s well funded threats, any idea that a “no” vote provides any political cover is the fantasy here.
I respectfully disagree, Roland. As I said, a bad situation was made worse. Even with good intentions – the outcome was bad. There are numerous examples of this same situation. Such as when conservatives (including myself) were upset with Bush Senior’s actions while president. A message was sent, a third party candidate ensured defeat of Bush and we got two terms of Clinton. And what was the great ‘this will work out for us later’ moment from that? After 8 years of the Clintons …. Bush’s son was the next president. Actions have consequences, and those consequences last years, and decades. It is illogical to help democrats get into office, on the national level, or on the local level.
From my perspective, it was not helpful to punish Bush senior for not being conservative enough, and get Clinton. And that was the past. The price paid was too steep. There is also zero benefit to helping Obama become president because of disagreements with McCain, and we are living with the consequences now.
I suggest that in the future that we don’t slit our own throats and hand victory to the democrats, but of course I know that my attempts at logic and reason will fall on the emotional deaf ears on some here who still cling to the idiocy of ‘GOP=DNC’ and the like.
“soon it will be a “time out” for you, mister.”
Oh no.
One of my favorite cartoons of all times is Dennis the Menace sitting in the corner, facing the corner in his little Dennis the Menace overalls and rocking and the caption simply says, “I shoulda said…”
Love that one.
Hey, he just looked at me again….
How is it the term “Conservative Democrat” keeps getting tossed about? Given the only thing they seemed to be looking for is cover on abortion how does that make them conservative democrats?
At least most kids still have a mother with whom they’re actually acquainted.
While there are no real conservative Democrat politicians, there are still millions of conservative Democrat voters who remain clueless about what they are really voting for.
Also, there are millions of people who call themselves conservatives because they favor raising taxes to balance the budget. They see that as conservative. Responsible. And so on.
Those ‘conservatives’ are so clueless they do not understand the nature of government spending. It will expand to fill whatever amount of debt is regarded by the politicians as ‘tolerable,’ with tolerable being generally defined in terms of getting reelected.
Tax raising ‘conservatives’ are the Marxist’s best friend. That is why so many of us were so furious when Bush41 broke his “Read my lips, no new taxes” pledge in exchange for ‘promises’ the Democrats would hold the line on spending.
We did not believe for one second Bush41 was so ignorant he did not know what would be done with those new taxes.
I can not afford a $15,000.000 annual insurance plan. If I could, I would not have taken out a 5 year loan on my current $22,000.00 vehicle.
I will not receive any “assistance” with paying for the plan, so I’ll be “fined or else”. Meanwhile, illegals will get everything for free, while I still do not have coverage. I Do Not Want Coverage, but If I pay the fine, I’ll be unable to afford to “pay my own way” as I have been. So this puts me in quite a quandary.
This leaves me but one choice…I will not pay the mandate…I will go to jail…I will fight to prove how unconstitutional this bill is with all I have (House, job, vehicle, etc) as long as someone else can help finance the lawyers.
Given the challenge, this bill will be ruled unconstitutional as long as the Supreme Court Justices do not remove their blindfolds! The most important target of our efforts should be the Supreme Court, by eliminating all congresscritters that approved of Sonya.
We will have MANY challenges in the near future and we must depend on the Supreme court. The only alternative would be insurrection.
That picture of Nazi Pelosi almost made me puke. The 220 slimeballs who voted for this suffer from PTSD==Partisan, Treasonous, Socialist Disorder. Need everyone to let their Senator know this shall not stand. Some group(s) should be ready to take this to the Supreme Court if mandatory insurance becomes law.
Why do you keep referring to McCain here??? I have not been talking about McCain!! I have been talking about Congress! McCain is one person. If we had the majority in Congress, the bill would never get to McCain’s desk. My god, can’t you even acknowledge that??? He is ONE PERSON. We needed to get the majority in Congress. And by voting third party, we failed to do that. That is the reason for this mess today. Pure and simple.
Insane.
You. Seriously.
happyscrapper, sorry if this has already been answered. OFA = Organizing For America.
The man posing as President of the United States sent an email asking for $5.00 or more in donations to defeat the lobbyists who oppose health care reform.
How about: A Republican Congress in 1994, the Contract with America, tax cuts, and welfare reform? Oh yeah, those are just “emotion”.
Of course there’s no logic, only emotion, in realizing that electing a Scozzafava is simply electing a Democrat. Owens was running to the right of Scozzafava, as did the so-called “Blue Dogs” in 2006-2008. They didn’t win because people wouldn’t support conservatives. They won because they were the more conservative (sounding) candidates. And as long as the Republican Party keeps running leftists, the Democrats will continue to run to their right. You can learn the lesson or not, but don’t just blame opposition to a “Democrat Lite” Republican Party on emotion.
Anyone think we’d have socialized medicine if McCain were president? Yes he had and has issues. Would be glad to see him retired. But really, you think we’d be doing socialized medicine if he had been elected? Or we’d be facing this gazillion dollar deficits?
Best thing about McCain losing is we got Obama and getting Obama has fired everyone up including independents to fix that mistake in 2010 and 2012.
So yes, we would have had Democrat-lite with McCain. You win. Would we have had socialized medicine, gazillion dollar debt, the government owning GM, war in Afghan a mess, Gitmo mess, etc.?
Not a chance.
“A Republican Congress in 1994, the Contract with America”
Hopefully when we get back to the same kind of win conservatives will have learned you have to tow the line, walk the walk, and continue to educate educate educate.
Sliding into socialism is appealing. It is. Socialism sounds good. It is a horrible thing of course. But it sounds good going in.
I think we the electorate have also learn to hold our elected officials proverbial feet to the fire from now on.
Which is how it always should have been. It is we the people.
We have awakened and it is good.
If Mr Cao was so concerned about the cost of health insurance in LA he should have looked a little closer to home for th answer. Insurance companies are regulated by the insurance commission in each state, which is why insurance in CA and NY is 3 times as expensive as OH or TX.
Turning control of health insurance to the feds is not going to alleviate this condition.
There. Fixed it.
Watever tx. I’m quite good with conservatives.
Back to work.
What is Film’s mexican soldier count up to by the way?
Or did he quit counting?
Last night’s vote; another BIG nail in the coffin of the dems; starting in 2010. You an always count on nitwit dems to OVERREACH anytime they get power. And this time is no exception.
dear leader on touting the long term deficit savings and increased jobs and reduce costs to business…please let this all be some sort of bad dream and we wake up to a conservative in office….
target the Senate now and daily until this is buried 100ft deep in the middle of a volcano….
Our Marxist president has spent us into bankruptcy, has flown around the world to personally slap down our country, and now we have Muslims in our Army murdering soldiers. I could not dream up a worse presidential scenario if I tried. And still, he gets the most terrible stink-ridden piece of legislation in history through the House (thanks in large to Ms. Butt-Kisser Pelosi). WAKE-UP AMERICA. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS A MUSLIM AND HE HATES YOU.
The best thing about this bill is knowing Congresspeople will also be covered by it – oh wait, no, they’ll have their own really good plan, sorry…
I know an Internist in China, I wonder if that’s where I’ll have to get the doctor of choice in the future.
On a serious note, Now is the time to be identifying Conservatives to run against Obama. By the time ’12 comes around, I assume things will look pretty bad and a decent Conservative could win, but we can’t have another McCain.
Yes, the elections coming up are critical too, but the whole primary process leading to the designated loser still bugs me.
But first, the major news, will Jon and Kate get back together? Does Ashley Simpson lip-sync? Is Joy Behar really Larry King in a dress?
Sadly more true than farce, not that the press isn’t a farce.
“I know an Internist in China…”
Dang, I thought that was the start of a good joke.
Obama and his socialist minions are laughing at us today… bastards.
The Botox Mannequin is on the news right now being all happy and pleased. Time to pick up the dog mess and pull weeds. Not that I am comparing Speaker Pelosi to dog mess and weeds, absolutely not, that would be rude. One or the other perhaps but not both, not in one sentence.
Liberal scum!
Turd-party scum!
THANKS A LOT all you losers who voted to the Scumitarian Party on “principle.” NICE JOB! Now look what we have! Soviet-style health care and soon new energy taxes to fight “global warming!”
Constitution Party. Libertarian Party. ALL SCUM! IT’S THE SAME AS VOTING FOR OBAMA!
This is a 2-party system! There are only TWO choices!
Now, we are all screwed!
What was the point of storming the beaches at Iwo Jima? Normandy? For what now??
I hope you enjoy your “principle” when some government health care/lesbian/Marxist/deist/worker tells you your wife can’t have the operation because of cost.
EAT YOUR PRINCIPLE! UP YOURS!
Obama is Satan!
“all happy and pleased.”
Wait for the contrast picture for when the Senate starts to take apart “her” bill.
Larry King in drag would look a helluva lot better than Joy(less) Blowhard
I see a lot of people despairing on this thread. Calm down, and take a deep breath. There are miles left in terms of this bill becoming law, passing the Senate. It will die in filibuster, or will look drastically different if it passes. Just keep ringing the phones, and emailing your Senators. Let our conservative voices be heard loudly and clearly and this bill will be scrap paper. Look, these socialists have a huge majority in the House and still BARELY scraped by. Let’s have faith. Now is no time to let up.
Like voting R is a winning game plan. Consider the damage the R’s have done. You can’t tell me with a straight face that the current R leadership would do better if they were leading majorities insead of minorities. Sure they wouldn’t be Reid or Pelosi, they in fact might even be worse. Look at the stuff they have supported and recommended lately. Hard for me to conclude they would take us to socialism any less or even that they support less government intervention into my life.
As I’ve said before, when the horse has both lung and brain cancer, I look for a different horse – not try to revive the dying one.
“Joy” Behar? Good grief. That’s an oxymoron if I ever heard one. Why, as a matter of fact, that’s two oxymorons!
Victimhood – blame the R’s failure not on the R’s – but on others.
Same as the liberals.
Nice
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091108/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul
This fight has just begun.
Like I believe ANYTHING that RINO says.
A couple of links that may become very useful over the next year.
The first one is a link showing all of the Congressional representatives that can be selected by clicking on the state you are interested in.
The second one is a link that shows political organizations in each state, or other political resources within the state, along with contact information.
I don’t know anything about the group at the second link, but if you are rather upset at this midnight legislating on bills nobody has read and the public cannot see, then you might want to start doing something about it.
Find the political party in your state, call them up and start asking who they will have running against all the socialists that voted for this anti-American crap.
Waiting until 2010 to vote will not do it. Start demanding accountability now so good candidates are offered right away. Get your local party moving to have candidates running against these nitwits. Far too often, parties are lazy and won’t even run someone against entrenched liberals.
There is NO excuse for ANYONE that voted for this to run unopposed.
This idiot will fold like a cheap suit at the first glare from Dingy Harry.
On November 8th, 2009 at 2:23 pm, Republicanvet said:
good post and links. Thx.
foxnews poll on the passage….current 93% say no out of almost 18K…let’s raise it up some more…
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/08/decide-health-reform-passes/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20091108/pl_politico/29281
You expect this from the left and politico. Its actually kinda sad. The game is far from over. There is nothing won yet. But you expect it.
What I don’t understand is folks on our side acting as if Pelosi has in fact won something and getting all excited about it.