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		<title>By: Michelle Malkin &#187; Senate showdown over EPA power grab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Malkin &#187; Senate showdown over EPA power grab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Californians Unplugging the Political Machine by Fighting Union Thuggery &#171; Temple of Mut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Californians Unplugging the Political Machine by Fighting Union Thuggery &#171; Temple of Mut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] * EPA lawyers: Cap-and-trade bill is “fatally flawed” [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Piano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Piano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Piano...&lt;/strong&gt;

Hello :) I bookmarked this site. Thanks heaps for this!... if anyone else has anything, it would be much appreciated. Great website Super Pianoforte Links http://www.en.Grand-Pianos.org Enjoy!...</description>
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<p>Hello <img src='http://s.michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/themes/mm/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I bookmarked this site. Thanks heaps for this!&#8230; if anyone else has anything, it would be much appreciated. Great website Super Pianoforte Links <a href="http://www.en.Grand-Pianos.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.en.Grand-Pianos.org</a> Enjoy!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Danceswithdachshunds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danceswithdachshunds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/debate_at_last.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lord Monkton wrote:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Yet again we shall address the issue quantitatively. We had certainly not wished to imply that the IPCC &quot;has continually strengthened its statements&quot;.  On the contrary, as global temperatures fail to rise in line with the IPCC&#039;s predictions (or, in the past 14 years, at all), the IPCC has been compelled - for the sake of retaining what little credibility it has left -  to &lt;em&gt;weaken &lt;/em&gt;its central estimate of the temperature response to a doubling of carbon dioxide concentration -

1995 report: &quot;global warming&quot; of 3.80 Celsius degrees
2001 report: &quot;global warming&quot; of 3.50 Celsius degrees
1995 report: &quot;global warming&quot; of 3.26 Celsius degrees.

&lt;strong&gt;How much further will the IPCC have to reduce its predictions before they begin to conform to observed reality?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/debate_at_last.pdf" rel="nofollow">Lord Monkton wrote:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Yet again we shall address the issue quantitatively. We had certainly not wished to imply that the IPCC &#8220;has continually strengthened its statements&#8221;.  On the contrary, as global temperatures fail to rise in line with the IPCC&#8217;s predictions (or, in the past 14 years, at all), the IPCC has been compelled &#8211; for the sake of retaining what little credibility it has left &#8211;  to <em>weaken </em>its central estimate of the temperature response to a doubling of carbon dioxide concentration -</p>
<p>1995 report: &#8220;global warming&#8221; of 3.80 Celsius degrees<br />
2001 report: &#8220;global warming&#8221; of 3.50 Celsius degrees<br />
1995 report: &#8220;global warming&#8221; of 3.26 Celsius degrees.</p>
<p><strong>How much further will the IPCC have to reduce its predictions before they begin to conform to observed reality?</strong></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Thunderbird 1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thunderbird 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This video was very informative and both of them are to be commended for their tenacity.

BUT...

Why, after listening to them, do I feel like I&#039;m about to don a khaki jumpsuit and be put to work by the Dharma Initiative?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This video was very informative and both of them are to be commended for their tenacity.</p>
<p>BUT&#8230;</p>
<p>Why, after listening to them, do I feel like I&#8217;m about to don a khaki jumpsuit and be put to work by the Dharma Initiative?</p>
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		<title>By: jangar</title>
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		<dc:creator>jangar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Keep your powder dry, don’t forget to stock up on &lt;strike&gt;necessities&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;strong&gt;brass&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Keep your powder dry, don’t forget to stock up on <strike>necessities</strike> <strong>brass</strong></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: jangar</title>
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		<dc:creator>jangar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole crap&amp;tax/global warming thing is nothing more than a money laundering scheme, one that will also shift the USA into dependency upon a world government.

Next topic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole crap&amp;tax/global warming thing is nothing more than a money laundering scheme, one that will also shift the USA into dependency upon a world government.</p>
<p>Next topic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: theloneranger</title>
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		<dc:creator>theloneranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too, see a revolution coming. It will be nasty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too, see a revolution coming. It will be nasty.</p>
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		<title>By: rightisright</title>
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		<dc:creator>rightisright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government Health Care, Cap and Trade along with comprehensive immigration are too much for the freedom lovers of America to take. All this Marxist crap will result in either a coup or a revolt headed by the true Americans, as I predicted a year ago after numb nuts was elected. 
Keep your powder dry, don&#039;t forget to stock up on necessities, you will need them all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government Health Care, Cap and Trade along with comprehensive immigration are too much for the freedom lovers of America to take. All this Marxist crap will result in either a coup or a revolt headed by the true Americans, as I predicted a year ago after numb nuts was elected.<br />
Keep your powder dry, don&#8217;t forget to stock up on necessities, you will need them all.</p>
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		<title>By: Danceswithdachshunds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danceswithdachshunds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I smell a set-up here.  The EPA is probably all for this video, (feigning action against them to make it &#039;look&#039; good), because they know crap n&#039; tax isn&#039;t going to make it through the Senate. So they need something &lt;em&gt;else
&lt;/em&gt; and the idea of simply taxing fossil fuel energy directly would be more than welcomed by EPA, Markey and Waxman. It merely cuts Al Gore and banks out of the loop so they&#039;ll be the only ones truly &#039;outraged&#039; about it.  We get the SHAFT whether it&#039;s this lame idea or crap n&#039; tax.

Totally unlike Dr. Carlin&#039;s skeptical stance, these two are just as moronic as James Hansen and the rest at the EPA who ~think~ human CO2 has anything to do with global temperatures - without even the slightest hint of measurable PROOF to back it up. 

I demand scientific &lt;strong&gt;PROOF &lt;/strong&gt;that CO2 has ANY measurable impact on temperature and that there be ZERO legislation until such proof is presented and accepted as valid by the world scientific body at large, (not just the government and UN hacks whose pay checks rely on AGW.)

Stop this madness - &lt;a href=&quot;http://plantsneedco2.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CO2 is the number one BENFICIAL GAS on the planet and more of it would be better for all of us.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I smell a set-up here.  The EPA is probably all for this video, (feigning action against them to make it &#8216;look&#8217; good), because they know crap n&#8217; tax isn&#8217;t going to make it through the Senate. So they need something <em>else<br />
</em> and the idea of simply taxing fossil fuel energy directly would be more than welcomed by EPA, Markey and Waxman. It merely cuts Al Gore and banks out of the loop so they&#8217;ll be the only ones truly &#8216;outraged&#8217; about it.  We get the SHAFT whether it&#8217;s this lame idea or crap n&#8217; tax.</p>
<p>Totally unlike Dr. Carlin&#8217;s skeptical stance, these two are just as moronic as James Hansen and the rest at the EPA who ~think~ human CO2 has anything to do with global temperatures &#8211; without even the slightest hint of measurable PROOF to back it up. </p>
<p>I demand scientific <strong>PROOF </strong>that CO2 has ANY measurable impact on temperature and that there be ZERO legislation until such proof is presented and accepted as valid by the world scientific body at large, (not just the government and UN hacks whose pay checks rely on AGW.)</p>
<p>Stop this madness &#8211; <a href="http://plantsneedco2.org" rel="nofollow">CO2 is the number one BENFICIAL GAS on the planet and more of it would be better for all of us.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;EPA to two of its lawyers: Alter critical video or face &#8220;disciplinary action&#8221;...&lt;/strong&gt;

Hmm.  And here I thought dissenting points of view were going to be &#8220;welcomed&#8221; within this admin? Apparently not:
The Environmental Protection Agency has directed two of its lawyers to makes changes to a YouTube video they posted that is cr...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>EPA to two of its lawyers: Alter critical video or face &#8220;disciplinary action&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Hmm.  And here I thought dissenting points of view were going to be &#8220;welcomed&#8221; within this admin? Apparently not:<br />
The Environmental Protection Agency has directed two of its lawyers to makes changes to a YouTube video they posted that is cr&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mattm</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something that won&#039;t change the minds of a few students who are sleeping in a tent until the end of the semester in Dec to protest the schools use of dirty energy by refusing to shelter in a building that uses &quot;dirty energy.&quot;  Enjoy the Snow, morons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something that won&#8217;t change the minds of a few students who are sleeping in a tent until the end of the semester in Dec to protest the schools use of dirty energy by refusing to shelter in a building that uses &#8220;dirty energy.&#8221;  Enjoy the Snow, morons.</p>
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		<title>By: oldcollegeguy1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldcollegeguy1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom line on all these features is that they are not cheap.

I hear people spouting off all the time about the wonderful attributes of each one individually, and it is not that they are wrong, it is just the real benefit is if you can save real money. Today.

Another area not often discussed is if you are going to stay in the home you incorporate them into.  If you are looking at 30 years or more in the home, sure you have time.  If you are likely to be somewhere else in 5 years, well not so much.   

The best time to incorporate them is obviously when you build. So the obvious place to really make a difference is by getting large home builders to adopt these methods.  I think they will, slowly, adopt some techniques.  Radiant flooring seems ot be the easiest for home builders to adopt early.  I do not see major homebuilders concerning themselves with solar or wind.  Community standards might be another area where you see large groups encouraging geo-thermal on new developments.

Likely though we are still at least 10-20 years from large scale adoption of these systems as the norm. 

Although I cannot see why new city/state/federal buildings are not all using geo-thermal now going forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom line on all these features is that they are not cheap.</p>
<p>I hear people spouting off all the time about the wonderful attributes of each one individually, and it is not that they are wrong, it is just the real benefit is if you can save real money. Today.</p>
<p>Another area not often discussed is if you are going to stay in the home you incorporate them into.  If you are looking at 30 years or more in the home, sure you have time.  If you are likely to be somewhere else in 5 years, well not so much.   </p>
<p>The best time to incorporate them is obviously when you build. So the obvious place to really make a difference is by getting large home builders to adopt these methods.  I think they will, slowly, adopt some techniques.  Radiant flooring seems ot be the easiest for home builders to adopt early.  I do not see major homebuilders concerning themselves with solar or wind.  Community standards might be another area where you see large groups encouraging geo-thermal on new developments.</p>
<p>Likely though we are still at least 10-20 years from large scale adoption of these systems as the norm. </p>
<p>Although I cannot see why new city/state/federal buildings are not all using geo-thermal now going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: traveler49</title>
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		<dc:creator>traveler49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many wood fired boilers tend to smoke a lot or I would get one myself...oh wait, I can&#039;t because of the Oregon regulations.

I checked out your website and I&#039;m impressed.  A very large project indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many wood fired boilers tend to smoke a lot or I would get one myself&#8230;oh wait, I can&#8217;t because of the Oregon regulations.</p>
<p>I checked out your website and I&#8217;m impressed.  A very large project indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: oldcollegeguy1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldcollegeguy1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got back from the DMV

Great link

That is the idea.  To through real world solutions, live off the grid or as close as possible.

I have seen the the wood fired water boiler system in work and it works great.  Although definately better in rural applications, due to size and wood requirements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got back from the DMV</p>
<p>Great link</p>
<p>That is the idea.  To through real world solutions, live off the grid or as close as possible.</p>
<p>I have seen the the wood fired water boiler system in work and it works great.  Although definately better in rural applications, due to size and wood requirements.</p>
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