Ho-hum: Pelosicare hikes costs $289 billion
Well, the results of an actuarial analysis of the Democrats’ government health care takeover bill are finally out — a week after the House rammed the bill through and buried on a Saturday night.
Ho-hum. Nothing to see here except another massive act of generational theft:
The House-approved healthcare overhaul would raise the costs of healthcare by $289 billion over the next 10 years, according to an analysis by the chief actuary at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).
…The CMS report is a blow to the White House and House Democrats who have vowed that healthcare reform would curb the growth of healthcare spending. CMS’s analysis is not an apples-to-apples comparison to the cost estimate conducted by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) because CMS did not review tax provisions, which help offset the price tag of the Democrats’ measure.
However, the CMS analysis clearly states that the House bill falls short in attaining a key goal of the Democrats’ effort to reform the nation’s healthcare system: “With the exception of the proposed reduction in Medicare… the provisions of H.R. 3962 would not have a significant impact on future healthcare cost growth rates.”
Republicans immediately seized on CMS’s conclusions.
The long-awaited report should serve as a “stark warning to every Republican, Democrat and Independent worried about the future of this nation,” Ways and Means Committee ranking member Dave Camp (R-Mich.) said in a statement on Saturday.
Though House Republicans pressed to have this analysis completed before the lower chamber voted on the Democrats’ sweeping healthcare reform bill last week, it was not ready until late Friday. Chief CMS Actuary Richard Foster, who prepared the report, recently told The Hill that he and his staff had only a few days to review the bill before it was voted on.
Death of deliberative democracy, anyone?
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Was the analysis calculated using dollars or rimini?
I have been asking for proof that the bill will lower costs…and aside from a “one-time” savings of maybe $1000, it doesn’t.
Unless we see doctors/clinics/hospitals closing their doors because they can’t pay their bills for the rates the Govt will be paying…and with minimum nurse-to-patient ratios that have been included in many state laws now…we’re going to run out of hospital beds even as actual beds lay empty…because they won’t be able to afford the nurses’ salaries.
Why does Nancy Pelosi hate children so much?
$289 billion? Well, that’s a relief; we’re not talking serious money, here.
/sarc off
Can anyone explain why Obama and the democrats are in such a hurry to pass a healthcare reform that makes Medicare worse and does nothing to make healthcare better for the rest of the country?
Oh wait, it will also raise taxes. I momentarily forgot that democrats are always in a hurry to raise taxes even if it puts more people out of work and brings in less revenue. So never mind.
This has never been about taxes or healthcare. It has to do with seizing 1/6th of the economy and solidifying voters to ensure Democrat dominance for the next 40 years.
It is a coup. That’s why the speed.
Such is the life of the Washington politicians. They keep banging their gavels and passing BS legislation that does nothing but feather their district pockets. Meanwhile, America continues to suffer because the legislation is not meant to really help anyone. It is only meant to help the politicians stay in power and get more powerful. Vicious, treacherous, drunk with power, our government is trying its best to destroy our liberty, our independence and our constitution. In the end, they are only destroying themselves and, curiously, they don’t even have a clue.
Those numbers reflect only the increased costs they’ve been able to figure out so far.
Putting the cart in front of the horse is not right. What the democrats did last week amounts to legislative malpractice in my book. As the Teaparty sign said “Shove it down our throats in ’09, we’ll shove it up your (insert photo of dem donkey here) in 2010″. And we will, blue dogs included.
Who knew Jimmy Hoffa was living in drag as San Fran Nan all these years?
and Odopey has to be Al Capone reincarnate.
Even when they -the political class- are not deliberately vicious they are vicious, treacherous and drunk with power and do all too much to destroy our liberty and our independence. We just came off years of a Republican President with a Republican congress that spent all too much effort trying to mold us in their image using the power of the Federal Government and OUR money to do so.
Correct, this current issue is not so much about Health Care as it is about power-power no Government-Federal, state, local or individual has a right to have over another. They use the tax laws not only to raise revenue but to control actions-control that is not theirs to have.
We see horror stories about drugs so they pass drug laws that allow the various agencies to rummage through peoples lives, homes and cars-perfectly innocent people who fit some profile. And they wonder why some honest people truly hate the police and government-get on juries and will not convict.
They pass complicated tax laws that can force a family to spend tens of thousands of dollars on an audit. And when that audit turns up nothing that family is told “we are just following orders”.
Has there been a legislative session anywhere in the last twenty years or so that hasn’t reacted to some sob story by passing mandates that all doctors, all hospitals perform some test on everybody? Then they pass a mandate that insurance companies pay for the test so they can complain about too many tests and high insurance rates.
All too many of our political class that claims to be conservative can get wrapped up in this nonsense to “make the world a better place” and seize power over us, power they have no legitimate right to have.
Yes they are vicious, treacherous and drunk with power and do all too much to destroy our liberty and our independence. WE need to be very careful when some candidate wants to make the world a better place, be compassionate with our liberties, our rights; WE need to be very careful.
And we all know years down the road that $289 Billion will actually be WAY below the real cost. However, the non-monetary loss of our freedom, medical quality and innovation will be MUCH higher.
Exactly right.
Right said!
When most all jobs have dried up, except for government and healthcare jobs (will there be a difference?), people will need to eat, and the job of one nurse taking care of 3 dozen patients for $15/hour will be reasonable.
Socialism is deadly.
I assume your question is more of a rhetorical one, since by now it should be obvious that this is NOT about health care, or about helping people, or even about doing what is right.
To me, the bigger question is, why do we keep allowing these travesties to continue? Can we not impeach these clowns?
I would like to help Pelosi crash through that glass ceiling she craves…
This is far from being about healthcare. It is 100% about extending the Federal Gov’t's control of people. We actually have Medicare which is a platform that COULD ( with some major overhaul) work for universal care. These bills just add an additional huge bureauracy. I rarely agree with Kucinich, but he even called this out as a sham.
Offer her a cup of tea first-just to be polite
But more imporantly, how many jobs does it save or create?
I saved 140,000 this morning.
One of things that hasn’t been mentioned yet is Pork — Just how much pork will be attached to this monster? My guess is that there will be a whole bunch of goodies for the congresswhores included in the bill.
You seem to forget one thing. When the minorities have to stand in line for a long time to get no service, they will turn on the democrats with a vengeance.
They expect instant service and will stand for nothing else. Nothing makes them madder than to have to wait a long time to get their “Free Services”.
when anybody including the minorities have to stand in line and wait, they will turn on the dems…the problem is once this monstrosity is in place it will be very very hard to get rid of it…ask the Brits and those in Canada…
No they won’t. They’ll meekly stand in line and vote for Democrats for the same reason they stood in line and meekly took welfare – they’re afraid of having none at all.
But we can’t do the right thing in Afghan because it might cost too much?
We can’t do the right thing in Afghanistan because too many Americans are too squeamish about killing the women and children and other hostages of terrorists.
The idea we can ever win the fight in Afghanistan with the kind of rules we are using is just plain nuts.
An Afghanistan tribal Muslim is not a post WWII German, and we didn’t kill all of the young men. If a region of Germany had risen up in 1946, we would have had no qualms about wiping out whole towns from the air. They knew it.
The battle for Afghanistan was lost when we pulled the lever for Obama and the rest of the anti-American Democrats.
Get our guys out of there. They are dying for no reason.
This war is not America’s fight. Our fight for survival is the one here at home. It’s the fight for us to have the right to decide who is and is not an American.
We are losing. Badly. Rapidly. Foreigners just got the right to civilian trials with full American civil rights.
He wants the subways now too..
At this rate, by this time next year every major & infrastructure critical industry will be under federal control, & you will be told what to, & how to do it do about nearly every facet of your lives. Tyranny..
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/15/administration-propose-federal-oversight-subways-report-says/
Herein lies the main reason Obama does not want to commit more troops to the war. The war is not the issue but the money it takes to sustain it is . . . he simply wants to have more money available for the continued development of his socialist utopia. When will people wake up and see this guy for what he really is . . . a hard core socialist hell bent on dismantling this old Republic and replacing it with a pure Marxist state.
That should read “foreign terrorists”
*While I appreciate the information continuing to come out about this new Medicrap plan being such a disaster, we should not get bogged down with the details, but address the issue solely as “big picture”; The Democrats/Statists intent is eventual single payer, as in Canada, while most conservatives/independents favor a truly free market unencumbered health coverage system; That’s where the battle lines should be drawn in the House and Senate; Ask them simply if they favor constitutional principles or socialism/statism; See which side they fall on, and target them as required in 2010 and 2012.
Actually, the troops are still overseas because, if they came home, unemployment would skyrocket, most likely over 20%.
And, according to FoxNews, MaoBama’s adviser suggests he may strike abortion restriction amendment from health care reform legislation.
Bottom line, nothing is as it seems, nothing will pass without the amendment of BHO’s stench, and we need to pray for a full-on “God-made” disaster (I’m thinking something like a cross between Legionairre’s Disease and Cholera with a hint of Ebola) to wipe out the vermin in the Congress and White House in order to rescitate the United States of America’s principles and values.
Oh, and “health care reform” is just another Ponzi scheme to part fools from their money.
If health care were really to be reformed, the government would get the heck out of the way and let MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS determine what is necessary – or not.
In Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri, some doctors have banded together and are building practices where people pay a set fee (I think it is about $40) per visit that covers most routine tests. No insurance papers. No government control. Just doctors treating people as they ought to be treated. I suspect that local hospitals could try somethings similar – cut out the insurance middlemen and huge malpractice fees (another thing that Pelosi’s bills protects – Tort lawyers).
Started back to school to finish my BS in Business Admin/Healthcare management. Trying to do constructive tasks since my honey died last month.
(Sudden stroke – probably exacerbated by the stress of reading about the take-over of our country by Rabid Sociopathis Socialists. (You know, Zombies with out the panache.)
PS – I HATE MaoBama, Botox Betty and all my reps.
Stopped by the Republican Campaign place and offered to do whatever I can to remove the POS Lois Capps from office. Also Boxer, Pelosi,Feinstein and the rest of the POS that have been in office for WAY to may days.
Even more accurate: “Overseas foreign terrorists who plan massive attacks on American civilians in America that result in the deaths of a massive number of American civilians.”
This would also apply to a terrorist who plans the nuclear destruction of an American city. This precedent would give him full American civil rights.
Better read him his Miranda warning before politely asking him in front of his lawyer about the nukes planted in other cities besides the one that’s been left a smoking ruin.
This Administration and this Democrat government is so far beyond stupid they have to be doing it on purpose.
And that number doesn’t take into account the ‘doc fix’ bill they attached to the same rule that passed the health care bill.
Another 1/4 Trillion to add on.
But…but…but…it will be deficit-neutral…it will stop global-warming…it will save the polar bears…it will resurrect the dodos and the unicorns…the Iranians will give up nuclear weapons…there will be sunshine and lollipops for everyone…and affordable housing…and we could buy the world a Coke and teach it harmony…and no child would ever go hungry again…if only this bill would pass.
i see a whole new industry being created here. professional line sitters for nancy and the wall street empresarios. $8 bucks an hour to sit in the waiting rooms, 9 bucks an hour to sit at the dept of revenue for your car, and 10 bucks an hour to stand in the line around the block on a cold rainy day to fill out your ballots for the dear leader every four years.
Au contraire! She loves children very much,… with some fava beans and a nice chianti!
Just to let everyone here know, I went to a party of “intellectuals” tonight and there are still reasonably intelligent people who support this president and his administration. I was blown away by their willingness to give up their country to these criminals.
My eyes watered when one of them told me not too many soldiers had died in Afghanistan while Obama decides what to do. I asked him, ” How many is too many?” I said if it was only one and it was his son I think he would think that was one too many. He said, ” I served in Viet Nam”,like that would make his comment more humane,in some way. I thought that he was lucky that he didn’t die after we had decided we were’nt going to try to win.
A few hundred billion here, a few hundred billion there. Pretty soon, we’re talking about real money!
We elect them to be “representatives”, but they elevate themselves to be “leaders”, without regard to ability or intelligence.
$12 trillion in debt and climbing……
Since Pelosi’s goal was never to reduce the cost of health care, this is expected.
The goal of her bill was to get more voters hooked on entitlements so her and the rest of the Dems stay in power. That’s all this has ever been about.
It’s about them. Not the citizens.
That’s why I see them as traitors.