The real Gitmo
Steven Crowder takes you on a non-bleeding heart tour of Guantanamo Bay. No tears for jihadists here:
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The video is simply perfect.
I want a time share there!
Similarly, here is a picture of the real Detroit.
Can’t wait till they move them 90 miles from my house as proposed.
Upgrading to an M4. Until now it was pointless to own one. Now…… welcome to the era of Hope and Change.
One thing that has not been mentioned that concerns me about moving these prisoners to the US is “Preemption.” Given the lack of trust in the government to do anything right, my fear is a group of Americans will decide to “take out” the terrorists in prison before they escape or their buddies take hostages.
Yes, that sounds nutty but…..
It sounds like something I’d expect to see on Kos.
You
readcontribute to the traffic flow at D-Kos?We are being led and informed by morons and fools who are likely to get a lot of Americans killed.. This is unbelieveable and unconscionable in a modern society.
Pat Buchanan:
“For if we are at war, why is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed headed for trial in federal court in the Southern District of New York? Why is he entitled to a presumption of innocence and all of the constitutional protections of a U.S. citizen?
Is it possible we have done an injustice to this man by keeping him locked up all these years without trial? For that is what this trial implies – that he may not be guilty.
And if we must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that KSM was complicit in mass murder, by what right do we send Predators and Special Forces to kill his al-Qaida comrades wherever we find them? For none of them has been granted a fair trial.”
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=116268
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HI FLYOVERMAN. When are you going to install the quad .50′s on your Hummer? No sense being “undergunned” in your neighborhood.
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John Bibb
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What is the main reason Barack Obama is closing the Gitmo Detention Center? It is quite simple. Frank Rich of the New York Times said he didn’t like those big rough American soldiers picking on Islamic youngsters. And because Frank Rich, who usually writes about set designers or makeup artists, does not like American soldiers picking on poor little Muslim innocents, Barack Obama must close Gitmo.
Can you imagine Osama Ben Laden in his cave just laughing his butt off: An American president changes national security policy because the president is afraid of what a theater critic will say in the Sunday New York Times.
No, but I have read posts there before and I know they think every conservative is trigger happy. Remember, they believe the DHS report on right wing extremism.
Rush doesn’t call it Club Gitmo for nothing.
I’m in the market for a good, late-model, used AH-1 Cobra or AH-64 Apache. I’d consider a AH-58 Kiowa Warrior with the right gun and rocket pods.
If you see one, let me know care of this blog.
On November 17th, 2009 at 11:30 am, John Deaux said:
What “they” at Kos “think” is irrelevant to the true situation. Our brave military members have been effectively muzzled by the administration much like Crowder relates, while the misinformation and obfuscation is allowed to be disseminated by the administration.
You want to go strictly by the Geneva Convention? Then there is no need to worry about reading the terrorists their Miranda rights…summary execution. Then may I suggest sewing their corpses in hog skins for display.
Nope, Gitmo should not be closed.
There is a middle ground and a missed opportunity to have made things better. It is not about the broad paint brush strokes, exagerrations and mischaracterizations from both sides. It should have been about admitting and correcting what went wrong.
Yes, somethings were done poorly, and that should not have been an indictment of the entirety. Yes, somethings were done well, and that should not be a shield for the entirety.
It is extremely sad when extremes are used to solve and address extremes.
Yes, Gitmo had it’s early troubles and what was required was fixing and tweaking those issues. It is akin to throwing the baby out with the bath water. And, ignoring that the baby’s bath water came from a stream that flowed near a cesspool, was not the way to go either.
I agree with this because the Baby’s bath water almost came from a cesspool or something. So stop the extremes or something.
Over the past few years Buchanan hasn’t gotten right very often. But on this point he is spot on!
Obama is a moron and we are stuck with him for another three years.
Oh, and I tried to mount a quad .50′s on a golf cart and let me say just two words: top heavy.
just make sure your time is during NON-hurricane season….lol
Obama: We will give them a trial in NYC.
Osama: Thats is great news for our side.
Conservatives: Stupid is as stupid does.
Liberals: But Booosshh!
I don’t have a problem with KSM eating a shiv. It would save time, money and send the message to AQ that the Obama administration does not have the stones to send themselves. I would also force feed him porkchops before he died.
Hey everybody. I get it. Chap is pointing out that Steven Crowder is just an unwitting dupe who fell for the whole “real Gitmo” story. He is just a tool of the
Obama Administration, no that’s not it, theACLU, no that’s not it either. Well, he’s got to be the tool of somebody, because we all know that when Jack Nicholson was a colonel in the Marine Corps, he used two Gitmo Marines to kill another Marine, and then covered the whole thing up. So Gitmo is obviously a bad place.What? That was just a movie? Well, it could have happened, so everybody at Gitmo is still bad.
I heard someone make the point on Sirius radio that Gitmo is the perfect place for these idiots. They just sit and age with no personal publicity instead of getting the show trial that the Obama administration is providing. Suddenly they are stars of jihad again and valuable propaganda tools.
Obama is such an ass.
RedDog,
What’s dangerous is believing these ‘fools’ don’t know what they’re doing and aren’t doing exactly what they want to do.
Chap, You have to admit that the only real reason that Barack Obama is closing Gitmo is the fear of an editorial in the New York Times. We have a president who is scared to death of Bill Keller and the New York Times. Obama craves the approval of the New York Times and he fears the opprobrium of the New York Times. A theater critic like Frank Rich can scare the living daylights out of Barack Obama.
I can imagine the Frank Rich tour of
Gitmo: “Oh those marines are so rough and tough. Can’t they show their feminine side?”
What must Osama Ben Laden be thinking in his cave? He sees a president of the United States who is totally intimidated by the trial lawyers and makes national security decisions based on what Frank Rich and Nicholas Kristof and Roger Cohen might say about him. And these are three of the most wimpish men I have ever seen.
Oh Chappy, you just can’t handle the fact that Gitmo is the perfect place for Jihadists…If they want to attack it they would have to attack Fidel Casrtro-which would be a good thing-but which they won’t do because Fidel along witht the American Left are allied with Islamo-Fascists…Now that they are in NYC…guess what? NYC will get attacked AGAIN! FOR THE THIRD TIME! Its just a matter of when..
Isn’t socialist/liberal brilliance amazing?
I’ve never understood why they don’t just change the name. It would be less expensive. Club Paradise or maybe Club 72,Eh?
correct.
They, or their handlers/string-pullers, know exactly what they are doing.
I love Steve’s work and generally agree with the sentiment he is providing. I think the detainees in the facility at Gitmo have it pretty good as far as prisoners go.
However, it is essentially two separate facilities down there. There is the US military base of Guantanamo Bay and then there is Camp X-ray where the detainees are housed. It is well guarded and the vast majority of troops working at Gitmo will never set foot in it.
The Cubans who regularly attempt to sneak in are not trying to sneak into Camp X-ray, they are trying to get into the regular base part of Gitmo.
Please; take them all to Detroit. That’s fine with me.
tre said:
I’m in the market for a good, late-model, used AH-1 Cobra or AH-64 Apache. I’d consider a AH-58 Kiowa Warrior with the right gun and rocket pods.
“I can sell it to you for $1 million
dollars, senor.”
How much for a test drive?
“One million dollar, senor.”
From the movie: Clear & Present Danger
I have completely changed my mind about Gitmo. That place is too good for terrorists. Put them in the worst prison in America, place them in a cell with a serial sex offender or vicious murderer. See how that works out.
It is a perfect place for jihadists. Not so perfect for those accused of jihadism.
Maybe my post came across the wrong way. I wasn’t concerned about what the Kos people think. My issue was that Flyoverman is concerned about somebody taking out the terrorists because they see them or their allies as a threat. I was just saying that despite the DHS report and Nancy’s tears, those on the right aren’t violent unless there’s a darn good reason.
In any case, Flyoverman is fully justified for purchasing an M4. I’m sure Mrs. Flyoverman will fully agree and probably even take him out to lunch afterwards. (If not, please let me know, I’ll see if I can get Mrs. Deaux to talk to her.)
Such as??????
No, chap. Here is the picture of the REAL Detriot.
Perhaps chap, but if the numbers quoted by Crowder are correct, about 500 have been released. It seems hard to argue with the fact that those deemed “innocent”, or whatever term is preferred, are released and not held without reason.
Also, pictures and video of virtually every nook and cranny of GTMO are online. And none of it looks drastically different than what you see here in Crowder’s video. Unlike your example of Detroit where very little of it actually looks like that very nice Victorian home.
So I argue that Crowder’s video is in fact representative of GTMO.
It is extremists like Olberman that have exaggerated and misrepresented the facts.
I used to be ADA, so…….
These guys have been hanging around far too long on my dime getting fat and watching Harry Potter. Military tribunals should have begun before Bush left office because:
a) Gitmo would not be a campaign issue.
b) We would have had an outcome.
c) There wouldn’t have been any grandstanding plays on the part of the new administration.
Yes, I blame Bush here.
Huh? The instances of people being held without reason are numerous and well documented.
Many of these that were lucky enough to be released had to wait years. Sometimes even years AFTER they were determined to be innocent. And often times only AFTER a court ordered them to be released.
Oh my, not the “they all all innocent muslims that were on vacation in Afghanistan and just happened to be wandering around near a battlefield and those evil farmers sold them to the Americans to make money” bs.
Even the ones released were guilty of fighting against our country in some way shape or form. Many of the released have mass murdered again. Others still support the jihad, we just can’t legally connect them to current wrongdoing and have declared time served for past wrongs. That does not make them innocent. Far from it.
My general assumption is that there may have been a “few” that got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time but the totally innocent politically correct blather is dead wrong, and people are dying because of it.
I throw the bs flag.
Well documented by the NY Times which ignores any evidence that doesn’t support their ideological cause does not an innocent make.
You people just don’t get it.It is absolutely imperative that Gitmo be closed down while Bambi still holds the reins of government.It is important so that his bottom feeding cronies can have another place to practice their art of stealing tax-payer money in real-estate schemes.Looks like some prime property to turn into uninhabitable tax-payer subsidized housing.Valerie Jarret will be so proud of her protege.
I am sure that is what you tell yourself.
“some way shape or form”… Yes, those are magic words, aren’t they? They allow you to define someone who simply wrote an article expressing that they were pissed about being locked up as “returning to the battlefield.”
Well documented by the US military tribunals that deemed them innocent.
I am sure thats what you tell yourself.
Commies have never known what America really looked like. What did you expect from Chappy?
In his book, America is always wrong, the source of all evil, and the local soviet is the source of all that is good unless the Politburo tells him otherwise…
And of course the miltary does not say they were innocent.
Low level Taliban grunts and those who attended terrorist training camps even thought they say they just mopped the floor or drove the car are not “innocents”.
Chap, picture this scenario:
You are a Marine in combat and some enemy combatants have given up the fight, dropped their weapons and are taken into custody. You move on to the next fight, possibly miles away from your previous position. The prisoners are processed and shipped to Gitmo. Now comes the tribunal. Who took you, where and under what conditions becomes difficult questions to answer because it all happened in the heat of combat. You might have even been killed and so you can not even write an affidavit. So now, the tribunal sets you free to go back and take up arms again. Have you ever heard of POWs being returned to the battlefield before the war is over? Should the Marine who takes the prisiner leave the battlefield to process the paperwork? It is all so silly. War is not street crime and should be handled differently, no?
Chappy is one of those idiots who expect US Soldiers on the battlefield to behave like police officers and Mirandize the enemy as they “take them into custody.”
I can just see Chappy now…
“What? You SHOT at them! Did you identify yourself as US Soldiers? Did you tell them to stop? What? They were firing on you at the time? So what? There are POLICIES at stake here! Let me have your service number. I am going to have a LONG talk with the JAG and your Company Sensitivity Officer there buddy!”
What about the 14% recidivism rate?
How many WW2 prisoners were released before the war was over because they were deemed “innocent”?
As in the case of the “innocent” Uighers now living a dream life on a tropical island:
Real innocents these guys.
How about THESE scenarios:
1. Terrorists’ buddies wear plastic explosives in the courtroom. OR
2. Terrorists bust KSM et al out of jail. OR
3. Terrorists blow up something so that Obama can declare Martial Law…
Followed immediately by police issuing BOLO with no descriptions at all for fear of profiling.
They don’t need KSM in the US to do any of these. I object because it provides them a high profile trial and the attached propaganda. Letting them rot in Cuba, annonymously, is what they deserve.
Or Osamas driver:
I don’t know how those two antiaircraft missiles got in the back of the car. I am innocent. I just needed a job so I left my country and traveled to that economic hub Afghanistan to find work driving Osamas car. Don’t be a sap.
All of the men in Navy Seal team 10 along with the other military men who went to their rescue in Afghanistan in 2005 would still be alive if it were not for the liberal media and left wing members of the US Congress. Recall that Marcus Luttrell and his three fellow Navy Seals had to let some “civilians” go because if they did not do so, the SEAL team would have been hauled before John Conyers Judiciary Commitee, and Nicholas Kristof and Frank Rich and the whole NY Times team would have demanded that the SEALs be indicted. Then you would also have had Richard Goldstone heading a UN investigation into war crimes and demanding the SEALs be brought before the World Court. So the SEALs had no choice but to let these tools go free and then the tools went right to the Taliban and the SEAL team got wiped out. Now Obama and Holder, two beta males, have given all the Taliban and Al Queda men the full panoply of civil rights and the US will be put on trial, not the Taliban. This is the same thing as the Goldstone Commission did. Goldstone put Israel on trial while exonnerating Hamas. So the best thing to do is never bring these Taliban and Al Queda animals back to the US for pantywaists from the NY Times to set them free. Just deal with these animals at the point of attack, whether in Iraq or Afghanistan. If Kristof and Dowd and beta male John Kerry don’t like it, too bad.
And saving the best for last. This article written by a guy who actually reviewed all the available evidence to reach a more logical conclusion than the propaganda spewed by the Bush hating NY Times.
Detention Retention Are all Gitmo detainees innocent?
My favorite part:
I suppose now former Japanese and German prisoners of war can bring legal claims against the US government in civilian courts. Of course, the US government signed a document with the Japanese government that prevents former US military personnel from bringing suit against the Japanese government for atrocities committed against them during the war…
KSM should be lined up against the wall and shot. He is an illegal combatant and not a POW.
This afternoon Hannity said on his radio show that Holder’s old firm represented @ a dozen detainees. Now, if they are all tried in civilian courts, oh, gee, let’s see, who can they get to represent them? Oh, Holder’s old firm. How does “conflict of interest” sound?
Oh, no, florida! Leftists don’t have “conflict of interest” issues. They are only here to serve humanity and are above such things! Didn’t you get the memo?
A very important point lost on liberals. When someone deliberately dresses in civilian clothing, fires from among civilians, hides and tries to blend in with civilians to save their own hide, they also deliberately put the civilians around them at risk. Risk of being killed, risk of being detained, risk of being accused, etc.
They should be treated differently as they have exposed the civilian population to extreme harm. If the civilians want to lessen their exposure, they should turn those people over. If they don’t, they are supporting those terrorists and are no longer “civilians” but are the enemy.
Where is the liberal outrage for endangering civilians? They seem to have enough hatred for US forces illegaly “detaining” innocents. They should save some of that hate for the people that are causing innocents to “die”. As if they really care. Talk about your misguided priorities.
I guess you’re one of those idiots that can’t read what I wrote, or rather what I didn’t write. Wait. I already knew you were one of those.
Who said anything about procedures the soldiers follow when rounding up suspects? I know I didn’t. Are you arguing with those voices in your head again WE82?
That is an incredibly bogus number. No doubt there is some recidivism. But have you read that report, John? As I alluded to earlier, according to that study people has been characterized as “returning to the fight” for nothing more than speaking out against their own detention. Here is an analysis of that recidivism claim.
Ummm…plenty of detainees have been released by the Combatant Status Review Tribunal.
You may quibble about whether or not that body represents “the military.”
And, of course, hundreds were released with no charges being brought at all.
If Nidal Hasan had been taken to Gitmo last month, would you think that he was being held without reason?
Well then perhaps the accused Jihadists shouldn’t hang around those that do, eh Chap?
Every day in America hundreds of guilty perps are released with no charges being brought at all. (Do you know any law enforcement officers, prosecutors, or criminal defense attorneys?)
What’s your point?
No, I quibble on whether they were “innocent”. Being released by the military tribunal does not mean they were innocent. Many of those released were “no longer” enemy combatants.
That doesn’t constitute innocence. In fact, it suggests they were guilty of fighting against our country as enemy combatants but are no longer considered a threat.
Being released without charges does not constitute innocence either. There could be many reasons why that happened including releasing them to their home countries for further detention. Not exactly a poster child event for innocence.
No doubt there were some “innocent” people detained. So what. The enemy created that problem by blending in with the local population.
If your story is truthful, you will soon be released. If your story is suspect, you end up in Gitmo. You may be released later but that doesn’t mean you are or were innocent.
Your original statement implied they were just accused of jihadism, but they weren’t jihadists and were later declared innocent by a military tribunal. I refute that. I also read into your statement a belief that most or a large % of detainees were innocent. If it was only a small % of innocent detained, why bring it up. You are perpetuating an urban myth that Gitmo is a place where the evil Bush tortures innocent Muslims.
Name me the specific “innocents” you are referring to. I would love to see what their real story is as to why they were there and how they got detained. Perhaps their stories changed several times. Perhaps there were inconsistancies and invalid facts in their stories. There may not be enough to convict them of certain crimes but it does not mean they were not trying to kill US soldiers or supporting those who were. Innocence my foot.
Boy howdy, that is NOT the Gitmo I remember experiencing in 1980. The facilities today look more like a resort than the seedy backwater I remember. Where was the Marine artillery firing over the bay, or the A-4′s practicing bombing runs(live bombs). Most of the buildings look brand new too.
I guess Rush’s Club Gitmo joke really isn’t a joke!
The WSJ mentioned that it won’t be long before the country club lawyers at the big NYC law firms start fighting over Islamic terrorists being brought to federal court. You have to understand the peculiar psychology of these big firm blue blood lawyers to see why they are so eager to represent smelly terrorists who kill our soldiers.
The legal work that the big Wall Street law firm lawyers do is lucrative but dry as dust. Churning out boilerplate legal language on IPOs is profitable but bores even these lawyers to death. And doing the dry legal work on a bond offering is even duller than watching Wolf Blitzer interviewing Roger Cohen.
But when these lawyers suddenly get the chance to represent Gitmo criminals, now that’s a different story. These terrorists appear dashing and romantic to the beta males at the big law firms. And to go toe to toe with the US Military, and to get to crossexamine a man in a US army uniform, now that is something almost libidinous to these Wall Street beta male lawyers. Now they have got something to brag about when they are sipping chablis and nibbling on brie out at the Hamptons.
Steve Crowder is right, Gitmo is too damn good for these animals, they should be making prison ‘friends’ the old fashioned way while they’re praying butt up.
However these are POWs and you don’t treat POWs like that. And it’s a RIOT watching liberals trying to deny that they are POWs. Especially here… I love reading people’s opinions about how to treat prisoners of war… especially when they have no frelling clue what they’re talking about.
You don’t bring charges against a POW, you just feed them and keep them out of the fray. That’s it. And for this situation they’re being treated absolutly correctly, regardless of the panty wetting and hand wringing.
However this nonsensical disaster of a show trial that Obama has arranged for actual war criminals will be Obama’s final downfall. War criminals are tried at a MILITARY TRIBUNAL not in criminal court. These animals are going to behave, keep their mouths shut and when time comes to testify they’ll simply say they didn’t get their Miranda rights and their confession was coerced through torture (because Obama himself accused their questioners of torture even though the facts show this to be a lie)
I can hear the fourth graders singing their hymns now:
mmmm mmmm mmmm Barak Hussein Obama
mmmm mmmm mmmm Let the terrorists go
mmmm mmmm mmmm Barak Hussein Obama
mmmm mmmm mmmm now innocent blood will flow
Did the 82nd Airborne and the 1st Marine Division take these people into custody at the local mall or movie theater?
I don’t recall seeing or reading about the details of each of these detainees capture. I’m talking about the ones that are still there. If you have that data chap, I’d be happy to look it over.
Even if it’s 0.01%, then they’re not innocent.
As I said before, this has gone on too long. Try and convict or release and kill later on the “battlefield”. Keeping them indefinitely doesn’t do anyone any good. If the population at Gitmo was 0, it wouldn’t have been a campaign issue.
I guess if you live in Saudi Arabia, a visit to Afghanistan would be a nice vacation. Otherwise, I am not sure who would go there especially during a time when the US was poised to attack and make it a war zone or had already attacked. Only 50 Afghans in Gitmo. Doesn’t sound like many from the area. Oh yeah, they were all aid workers. Ha!
Any dolt can see the nexus here.
Has Chap responded with his examples of innocents at Gitmo? Nope. He can’t. Out of 500+ held at Gitmo, very few were true innocents. Many fought US forces, or supported the fight and were simply captured. Once they found out the consequensces of their actions, they changed their tune and were released as no longer being a threat. Read that as they once were a threat.
But yet the media and world opinion portray that reality as hundreds of innocents all being tortured. Who cares about the truth right? It’s all about destroying America or electing a particular political party. How proud they must be.
Still waiting on that list so we can get to the real facts on these Islamic thugs.
Speak truth to power!
And even more are released because they are…wait for it… innocent. You think the previous administration released all of them just for the hell of it or because they knew they were guilty but just didn’t have quite the evidence to prove it? That flatly contradicts reality.
Do you really think that no innocent people were swept up and sent to Gitmo? Do you really have no problem with them being held indefinitely, with no charges being brought? And for that matter why wouldn’t you have a problem with GUILTY people being held indefinitely with no charges being brought?
Wrong.
Wrong.
I don’t know. Maybe because it is abhorrent to me that our country would detain even ONE innocent person for years on end with no guarantee of any procedural rights to prove their innocence.
I agree. Due process is apparently a commie liberal idea John. Be careful.
Wait… You mean the innocents that you already conceded existed? “No doubt there were some “innocent” people detained. So what.” Do you even remember what your argument is from post to post?
You know what would be a super source of data? A trial. Or hell, even a military tribunal. Something. Anything.
Gitmo is a darned sight nicer than Galveston!
Now I’m having second thoughts about completely opposing bring them to America. That place is a little TOO nice.
How about… Yes, How about we fix up ol’ Alcatraz, install a court room, & do it all over there? That way Obama get’s his wish, & then we can dump the executed bodies directly into the ocean, thus feeding the ecosystem, saving the krill, the whales AND the reefs, & all of humanity at once!! Even the environmentalist will have a victory in all this! My Gosh I’m a genius!!!
Like I said Chap,
You still can’t name one of your innocents so we can take a look at their particular case. Instead, you attack with snarky comments, as if that somehow proves your point.
If there were a couple of people picked up, sent to Gitmo, kept there for years when they were completely innocent of any wrongdoing, we should hear about it. Name them.
Your generalization that Gitmo is bad because they detain innocents for years without due process is a broad brush indictment of the entire situation and is flat out wrong. When you are called on it, you resort to “I didn’t say that”
Maybe I read it wrong but it seems pretty clear to me you were attacking Stephen Crowders assessment of Gitmo and attacking the notion that the Gitmo prisoners there now were a threat to the US.
People are detained, arrested, questioned, etc all over the world every day. It is a process to sort out wrongdoers from innocents. It is very common. It does not mean the entire process is flawed or there was wrongdoing involved. Some countries are more abusive than others. Ours is NOT one of them.
We went through this process with all the Gitmo prisoners. It was proper and done the best way possible under the circumstances. No one is perfect as your Obama critic in chief is finding out now. There are complexities involved. I never claimed to know any innocents. I assume the process includes some. That would be a logical valid assumption. I don’t extrapolate that into a many, most, or all scenario, nor condemn Gitmo as a whole because it possibly happened.
I read the military said the detainees at Gitmo were not benign and they posed a threat to the US. It would be obtuse to think the entire process worked to perfection and not one single person was treated wrongly. Yet, you hang your hat on the one innocent treated badly which you are unable to produce any evidence of, but now trumpet as your real point.
Name me these innocents you so loudly proclaim as evidence that there must be are a lot of accused jihadists in Gitmo but not many actual jihadists. Who are they? You don’t even know. You just like to jump on the I hate Gitmo bandwagon and snark at anyone who challenges you as if that proves some nebulous point.
When you play with the big dogs, sometimes you get bit.
That would be your first. There have been hundreds of people released from Gitmo. The vast majority of which have not “returned to the battlefield” no matter how absurdly openly you want to define that term. Please explain why the Bush administration released them. And many found not to be enemy combatants. Please explain why they were found to be so.
It is okay to admit that Bush screwed the pooch by not expeditiously setting up a procedure by which a bare minimum of due process would be available to detainees. If, as JD pointed out, he had done that, there would not be an issue. Instead, he was arrogant and stubborn. But that was par for his course.
I explained that above. Many were released because they were deemed to no longer be a threat. They were not found to never have been an enemy combatant. They were declared no longer an enemy combatant.
And I wouldn’t go so far as to say they haven’t returned to the battlefield. Many have literally returned to the battlefield. There is a also a huge support group for these terrorists. Giving money, organizing, recruiting, smuggling, spying on troop movements. There is a gamut of things these people can do without actually carrying a gun.
Some of the released have blown themselves up and killed large numbers of “innocents” in the process. You are being ingenuous to worry about the one innocent held in Gitmo while not seeming to worry so much about the many innocents killed by Gitmo detainees that have been released. One is now the number 2 Al Qaeda guy in Somalia. No telling how many people he is responsible for killing since his release.
Many of the detainees released were on the battlefield fighting and perhaps killing US troops. They were motivated by many reasons. Local traditions, freedom fighter, unemployment, money to feed their families, fear of retribution by the Taliban, forced conscripment, doing jihad as preached by their Imams, etc.
Once they were captured, they were able to extricate themselves from that situation and appeared to have been rehabilitated. They were released and went home and do not participate anymore except to protect themselves.
Others told the same story but were liars. The pressure was on the US from the world community to release the Gitmo prisoners so we made a special effort to do so. The “innocent” myth drove that pressure. These liars did return to the battlefield and many are still killing innocents today.
Many others were released from Gitmo but were incarcerated in their home countries. Some are still incarcerated, others have since been released not due to innocence but due to the belief they were somehow rehabilitated, served their time, or were no longer considered a threat.
None of that makes them innocent dupes just out for a walk in the Afghan countryside and they were unjustly whisked away to Gitmo. That is a falsehood that is still being perpetuated. Thats my whole point here.