Gitmo detainees will use trials as “platform” to bash America
One of the Gitmo defendants’ lawyers confirms the obvious: The civilian trials for 9/11-linked enemy combatants are nothing more than a grand excuse to use our legal system to bash America and spread the jihadi virus on the world stage.
The five men facing trial in the Sept. 11 attacks will plead not guilty so that they can air their criticisms of U.S. foreign policy, the lawyer for one of the defendants said Sunday. Scott Fenstermaker, the lawyer for accused terrorist Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali, said the men would not deny their role in the 2001 attacks but “would explain what happened and why they did it.”
The U.S. Justice Department announced earlier this month that Ali and four other men accused of murdering nearly 3,000 people in the deadliest terrorist attack in the U.S. will face a civilian federal trial just blocks from the site of the destroyed World Trade Center. Ali, also known as Ammar al-Baluchi, is a nephew of professed 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Mohammed, Ali and the others will explain “their assessment of American foreign policy,” Fenstermaker said.
“Their assessment is negative,” he said.
Bleeding-heart Barack Obama and interest-conflicted Eric Holder are all too happy to serve as executive directors for the 9/11 show trials.
Hey, why not turn them into a Broadway play while you’re at it, White House?
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Just a reminder of what Obama wrote about the 9/11 jihadists eight days after the attack left 3,000 innocent men, women, and children dead on American soil:
“We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of understanding the sources of such madness. The essence of this tragedy, it seems to me, derives from a fundamental absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to imagine, or connect with, the humanity and suffering of others. Such a failure of empathy, such numbness to the pain of a child or the desperation of a parent, is not innate; nor, history tells us, is it unique to a particular culture, religion, or ethnicity. It may find expression in a particular brand of violence, and may be channeled by particular demagogues or fanatics. Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.”
My response last year:
As for Obama’s continued delusion about the “climate of poverty and ignorance” that supposedly breeds Muslim terrorists, can American politicians ever rid themselves of this unreality-based trope? This belief is part and parcel of the same idiocy that lead the State Department to embrace “spa days” for Muslims to “build bridges” with the Arab world and President Bush to open up our aviation schools to more Saudi students to “improve understanding.” John McCain also alluded to education-as-cure for Islamic terrorism at the L.A. World Affairs Council in March, when he declared that “In this struggle, scholarships will be far more important than smart bombs.” Just what we need: more student visas for the jihadi-infested nation that sent us the bulk of the 9/11 hijackers.
Author and National Review Online blogger Mark Steyn’s sharp rejoinder to McCain then applies to Obama now: “There’s plenty of evidence out there that the most extreme ‘extremists’ are those who’ve been most exposed to the west – and western education: from Osama bin Laden (summer school at Oxford, punting on the Thames) and Mohammed Atta (Hamburg University urban planning student) to the London School of Economics graduate responsible for the beheading of Daniel Pearl. The idea that handing out college scholarships to young Saudi males and getting them hooked on Starbucks and car-chase movies will make this stuff go away is ridiculous – and unworthy of a serious presidential candidate.”
Ayman al-Zawahiri didn’t need more education or wealth to steer him away from Islamic imperialism and working toward a worldwide caliphate. He has a medical degree. So does former Hamas biggie Abdel Rantissi. Seven upper-middle-class jihadi doctors were implicated in the 2007 London/Glasgow bombings. Suspected al Qaeda scientist Affia Siddiqui, still wanted by the FBI for questioning, is a Pakistani who studied microbiology at MIT and did graduate work in neurology at Brandeis.
And as I’ve reported before and must reiterate again for the hard of hearing in Washington, lowering academic standards at American colleges helped al Qaeda mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed further the jihadi cause. In the early 1980s, he enrolled at tiny Chowan College in Murfreesburo, N.C., which had dropped its English requirements to attract–ahem–wealthy Middle Easterners. At Chowan, Mohammed bonded with other Arab Muslim foreign students known as “The Mullahs” for their religious zeal. Mohammed then transferred to North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University, where he earned his degree in mechanical engineering along with 30 other Muslims. Mohammed applied his Western learning to oversee the 1993 World Trade Center bombing plot (six Americans dead), the U.S.S. Cole attack (17 American soldiers dead), and the September 11 attacks (3,000 dead). He has also been linked to the 1998 African-embassy bombings (212 dead, including 12 Americans), the plot to kill the pope, the murder of American journalist Daniel Pearl, and the Bali nightclub bomb blast that killed nearly 200 tourists, including two more Americans.
Perhaps bleeding-heart Obama thinks a master’s degree in social work would have convinced poverty-stricken, helpless, ignorant, despairing Mohammed to change his mind?
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And here we go. Years of AMerica bashing.
Hopefully these trials will be in full swing by November 2010.
This is disgusting . . . Holder and his boss are a classic example of “stuck on stupid”.
Eric Holder, and anybody else responsible for allowing this are nothing more than Al Queda propagandists themselves; traitors in the first degree because they directly are causing this to happen. I cannot really put my anger about this into words. I hope it costs a lot of people their jobs, and this moron of a president his job in 2012. GD all of them.
Who knew?
What are the chances to force the trial to be closed to TV and radio? That way, the accused do not get their stage, and we just get a couple of minutes on the nightly news for updates while staring at drawings.
Kind of like how I wished they did OJ’s first trial.
This will be nothing more than the circus most Americans expected it will be. It will be very tough for the judge to keep the courtroom under control. It is not like he can threaten them with contempt of court or anything.
This is the whole point of the show trial.
The vile traitors desecrating the office of the President want to put the Bush administration on trial but they know they can’t do it directly.
Does anyone still think Obama isn’t a domestic enemy of the Constitution?
If anyone is old enough to remember the “Chicago 8″ trials, this is what this trial will most be like.
Holder will not answer simple questions suh as: will taxpayers have to pay for KSM’s lawyers and if so, howany lawyers does he get? Will taxpayers have to pay for KSM’s investgators and if so how many free unvestigators does he get? Will taxpayers have to pay for KSM’s jury consultants or expert witnesses? The federal judges in New York are mostly liberal dogooders who hope to gain favor with the Times.
This could bring down the house on the Obama Administration. Cheers!
No. Actually, this needs to be on TV as much as possible in all its glory to show what an incredibly stupid move it was, and exactly what the left has supported since 9/11/01.
Many people saw through the OJ trial, this would be no different.
Some Youtube video experts could intersperse clips of the stupidity on trial with what happened that day.
I can see it now. Fuzzy Jihadi whining about sleep deprivation in one clip, and the Pentagon burning in another. Some leftist lawyer whining about his client not getting enough exercise next to the video of one of the towers collapsing with the Cosgrove 911 audio.
Once you think about that, it shows how absolutely foolish the decision was to allow this trial to be held.
We’re going down the road that many strong countries have done in the past. We will collapse from within, rather than from an outside force. This “circus” in NY will only reinforce what other countries see; a waning power on the world stage with lessening influence, and a laughable foreign policy and trade. I can only pray that citizens wake up before it’s too late.
the line between civil and martial law is being obfuscated with these trials…
bringing us ever closer to complete Fed. Gvt.-tyranny…
Be ready – my friends…
C-CS
So there’s nothing to fear from KSM speaking evil against America and calling for jihadists everywhere to attack us. But if Sarah Palin goes on a book tour, be afraid. Be very afraid! She’s dangerous!
We were not at war with Japan when they attacked Pearl Harbor and killed 2,350, including 68 civilians. Should we have captured every Japanese soldier who took part in the raid and tried them in civilian courts in Hawaii for committing “murder” here in the U.S.?
By moving trials from military to civilian courts, this administration is changing the way we have always treated those who commit war crimes. They defend themselves by saying that we must not let terrorists change the way we seek justice in this country. But we have never tried legal or illegal enemy combatants picked up on foreign battle fields in civilian courts. So aren’t they doing just that — allowing the terrorists to change the way we have always sought justice in this country?
Yup, my thought too. Dig that hole deeper, creeps. Release those scum onto our streets, I dare you.
Of course in all reality this will be a “show trial” to let us all know the man child is doing his job.
I might have thought of a different take on this trial business.
It will likely be a while before everything is said and done, right? The trials may be over by Novemebr 2010, and this is bad, because if the administration’s prediction is correct (that we will get convictions), Obowmao will claim that his approach to terror works, right before we all go to the polls, which will give the left good press right when they need it.
Knowing the under-handed nature of Obowmao, I wonder if there hasn’t been a deal worked out between him and the bad guys to let tham tell their story on the stage of a trial, in exchange for a guaranteed death sentence, which doesn’t bother the jihadis.
I know I may be giving the current president too much credit for intelligence, but he is a scheming Chi-town politician, after all.
This concept is once again becoming more & more relevant for time.. I think the problem is, that the Democrats are so arrogant that they think that there’s nobody that has the balls to storm them?
“What country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify is a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure….” – Thomas Jefferson: Letter to Colonel Smith, Nov. 13, 1787.
100 hundred and 50 years in the past, a man like Barack Obama would have been jailed for treason, or possibly even hung for it, along with about 2/3rd of his cabinet members.. That is the God’s honest truth..
In my last post I meant to say, “This concept is once again becoming more & more relevant for our current times..
If we don’t have some balance of power put back into our government after 2010, I honesty think you’re going to see some horrific violence erupt in this country. Tyranny ALWAYS eventually leads to an uprising. Not enough people will give up their guns no matter what, (nor should they) & now we have an Administration that has proven itself to be traitorous, & given terrorists a platform to insult us & our country unfettered. If this goes forward, bad things will happen. Mark my words.. I see it coming.. I can’t believe Obama & his cronies are this dense, but apparently they are..
Yeah, ok.
Didn’t have to be a blind fool to see that one coming.
Phht.
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So what’s going to happen when these guys open their mouths to bash America and people realize they sound just like Democrats?
The one thing they can do is make the world lose confidence and respect of the U.S. I can very easily see how they can twist things to an already America-jaded world (including allies) that we are overbearing crybabies, a’la “the mollycoddled and pampered isolated Americans only lost 3000 people in 9-11 — as much as some of you others lost in a week in WW II or other conflicts for years, yet they want special sympathy than be awakened to the real world” etc. Yes, I can see this working out there — and worst, a lot of Americans going along with it. Unfortunately too many Americans outside the East Coast especially didn’t feel as “personally hit” by 9-11 when it occurred, like how the Oklahoma bombing felt to most New Yorkers. There should really be far more outrage about closing Gitmo than there is.
James Greenidge
Queens NY
The Obamas HATE America… remember “Not God bless America, but God DAMN America?” And all the Obamamaniacs accepted Obama’s explanation that he sat in that church for TWENTY YEARS and “never heard” any of that hatred of America spewed.
Heck, Obama was there at that church becuase he HATES America too..
The bastard can’t wait for us to be further embarassed and he would like nothing better than to see us taken down to the level of his birth nation Kenya.
He is going to destroy us…
Who didn’t see this coming!!!!!
well yeah. our fearless leader and his minions use every waking moment to downgrade our country.
good point!
I was also wondering -and Rush said this on his show last week- THAT IF THEY DON’T NEED TO BE READ THEIR MIRANDA RIGHTS HOW LONG BEFORE THAT NO LONGER APPLIES TO US?!?!?!?
I believe Obama and Holder know exactly what they are doing. Their obsession with George W. Bush and their desire to minimize and destroy anything good about the man and his administration is greater than their desire to defend and protect this country’s integrity.
These two incompetents are placing Bush and Cheney on trial, not the jihadists.
Have you seen this billboard?
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This drivel from Obama reminds me of the old liberal vs. conservative joke.
You’re in a dark alley. Your family is behind you. You have a loaded .45 on your hip. A man comes screaming out of the darkness with a knife. What do you do?
Liberal answer: Oh my! What do I do? Maybe I can use my gun to knock the knife out of his hand. What about my family? What childhood experiences could have led this man to commit this crime? Do I have time to run? Maybe I can reason with him…
Conservative answer: Bang.
Southern conserative answer: Bang. Bang. Bang bang bang. Bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang. Click-click (out of ammo.) Reload. Bang bang bang bang bang.
Little girl: Nice shot, Daddy.
I see a Liza Minelli marriage proposal and a Broadway musical in their future.
“What we have here is a failure to communicate…”
No matter how often they imperil America’s national security, voters keep returning Democrats to power as if the past never happened. And the idealogues themselves, while sporting untold numbers of degrees from the “best” universities, are completely devoid of common sense. Guess why Sarah Palin keeps talking about commonsense solutions.
All of us saw this coming and the Empty Suit and Steadman planned it this way.
I think the biggest fiasco will be the jury selection – I can’t imagine finding an American that would not have them shot at dawn. So, it looks like the “jury of your peers” will be a dozen mooselambs.
Add Ft. Hood terrorist, Malik Hasan (Virginia Tech), and his “spiritual advisor”, Anwar al-Awlaki, to the list of Western educated Jihadists. In addition to having American educated parents,Wiki notes:
Al-Awlaki holds a B.S. in Civil Engineering from Colorado State University and an M.A. in Education Leadership from San Diego State University, and in January 2001 began working on a Doctorate degree in Human Resource Development at George Washington University.
Hard to be cheered up by the thought of Obama being defeated in 2012. It’s a looooog time till then and the damage will be massive. We need impeachment, (impossible with Democrat control of Congress), or someone revealing the truth about Obama’s past, (which is effectively off-limits for discussion).
We are truly
screwed.
Remember after 911, everybody said we’ll never forget. Well almost everybody has forgotten it, the liberals have never believe it. And congress don’t give a damned. So it will be bash America all over again.
my god…. who could have seen this coming?
(besides Helen Keller that is…. %-)
Wow! Won’t the DNC and the unions have a cow because the terrorists are taking food out of the mouths of liberal commentators, bloggers, writers, Hollyweird stars etc., etc.?
These creatures have already confessed, then have been tried and found guilty by none other than the President of the United States. The fix is in. This is not a fair trial, nor will anyone on the jury be impartial. The whole thing is a sham and everyone knows it. How stupid are these people anyway?? There has to be some important part of the liberal brain that has been breeded out of them over time. How else to explain this phenomenal lack of common sense and ability to reason. If we still have free elections in 2010, there will be such a backlash…and they either are so delusional that they can’t see it, or they don’t care.
By the way, if the trial is shown on cable TV, including FOX, I will no longer watch the news channels… any of them.
Now puppetmaster Obama sends his Arab lackeys onstage to bash Bush… while he sheepishly grins from behind the curtain.
You gotta believe BHusseinO “high-fives” the White House mirror each morning.
Obama’s Bottom Line:
Spend more money we don’t have,
Prosecute previous administration,
Allow Islamic propaganda to spread more fear and terrorist attacks.
I hope they are all released with a wrist-slap of community service, or at most, with an ankle monitoring bracelet.
It would really serve this country right for electing an impostor president — and just maybe — such a decision would catalyze an emphatic, revolutionary response to end the destruction this coward has brought onto our country.
Since we have to give them their constitutional “rights” (???), they must be tried by a jury of their peers. That would be 13 radical Islamic Jihadi’s. It’s good.
The patent insanity of this whole thing should be obvious, even to Barry’s eggheads. Let’s give these guys a world wide forum across the street from where they murdered 3,000 innocent citizens.
The only good news here is this will certainly not go well for Team HopeyChangey.
Rewriting the headline:
Gitmo detaineesBarack Obama will usetrialspresidency as “platform” to bash AmericaThe heck with the American citizenry caterwauling, we need to know what the word is, on the Arab street!
Obama:
There’s another example of which I can think (and about which Michelle blogged) where “such a failure of empathy”, as Obama calls it, is unique to a particular religion, and did not “grow out of a climate of poverty and ignorance”.
Remember the Jeep Jihadi?
Does anyone know exactly what years KSM was at Chowan College? I attended Chowan from ’83-’85. There were a LOT of middle easterners there during that time.
But of course. This is completely consistent with Precedent Obama’s past words and actions. A reminder:
I haven’t even kept that list of truths up-do-date. There’s already so much there that it is a bit overwhelming, yet Obama continues to say and do things on practically a monthly basis that could be added to this list.
Yet people seem to accept that 11 AP reporters “Fact Checked” Palin’s book, while not a single one of the 1,075 people, each of whom sworn to support and defend the Constitution, including the 20th Amendment text “a President shall have qualified“, not a single one of those 1,075 people “Fact Checked” an initial, hospital Birth Certificate for Barack Hussein Obama II.
Even if born in Honolulu, Hawaii, Obama could have been born on non-U.S. soil: sovereign Hawaiian “Crown Lands”. The hospital originally claimed as Obama’s birthplace, the Queen’s Hospital, appears to sit on such land. If so, the Queen’s Hospital is no more located on U.S. soil than Colón Hospital in Colón, Panama (McCain’s birthplace).
And the Supreme Court has not answered the question of how someone born a British subject (as Obama was) could ever be considered a “natural born Citizen” of the United States.
Those who continue to ignore this do so at their own peril.
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I think it is a good idea to give the 9/11 “man caused disaster” guys (previously known as TERRORISTS) some platforms to allow them to quickly explain their rationale for murdering 3000 people.
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The platforms should have some trapdoors and ropes included in their designs. WHAM! AAAARGGGGGH! should give each of them 3 seconds of fame–plenty of time for “explanations”. Refer to Saddam Hussein’s long drop with a short rope for technical details.
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Hope and Change I can believe in. Sometimes “low tech” solutions are the best ones.
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Rocketman
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Todd Beamer’s dad David Beamer was on Fox’s America’s Newsroom this morning. They let him talk for 10 minutes without interruptions.. He BLASTED Holder and company. A must see.. It started about 8:18a today. I don’t know how to find it unless they put it on youtube.
Roadrage, he is only in his early 40′s..
And he showed where his son got the right stuff! Conservatives ought to check him out as a possible candidate.
Since the Liberal Lemmings are all lining up to support Dah One and his sidekick Eric, ask them the following question.
Can you explain, if you are a member of a criminal organization, similar to The Mafia, the Yukuza, the Columbian Drug Cartel, MI 13, the Russian Mafia, The Hells Angels, etc. how does it further your objectives to attack the Pentagon?
That is the no brainer in this whole discussion. No one involved in crime would attack the HQ of the U.S. military.
When reality dooes not fit your template your only hope is to create an alternate reality, no matter how bizarre it may be.
The Left isn’t affected at all by 9/11. It was a tragedy that happened to “others” and America had it coming anyway. The Left isn’t angry about 3000 people killed in a terrorist attack. It’s angry about the 2000 elections and this show trial is simply a way for the Left to have its revenge at long last against the evil usurpers Bush and Cheney.
It’s also about appeasing the Arabs, figuring that if they keep feeding us to the crocodiles, the crocs will eat them last.
I heard Scott Beamer this morning before I went to work. What a guy! If it were me, they’d have to bleep out every other word.
Too many members of the Obama administration have direct links to the firms sponsoring the Gitmo detainees = direct conflict of interest.
If these cases aren’t slam dunks, there will be widespread problems
That libs/dems/terrorists are bashing the USA isn’t the issue as it’s old hat by now. Why isn’t the focus on things like discovery will be used to get intelligence info to the rest of
Holder’sKSM’s brethren so they’ll know how close we are to finding their caves? That’s what happened during the Blind Sheik trial and why OBL moved to Afghanistan, no?Since this is going forward….. I certainly hope the trial is a fiasco and Obama and the other democrats pay with their jobs.
In the meantime, at least until Novemeber 2010…. the mission is to prevent Obama, Reid and Pelosi from passing any bills.
President Obama had to take back his promise that KSM and the others will be convicted and sentenced to death precisely because he and A.G. Holder insist on trying them in our civilian court system; there is no guarantee of the outcome until evidence has been heard and the jury reaches a verdict (if it gets to that point).
Meanwhile, they will take the opportunity to tell us exactly why we deserved what they admit they did to us that day?
YA THINK?!!!
I respectfully dissent Michelle, BHO is a type one psychopath (most politicians and attorneys are), they have little or no emotional response to the suffering of others, we all know them too, they are the types that when backed into a corner because they are not clearly winning an argument, they resort to calling people stupid. Type 1 psychopaths will get extremely personal in order to get their way. They usually are charismatic and have a talent for suckering people who want a leader into following them and doing their bidding.
Type 1 psychopaths are extremely focused on their mission and basically are con men. BHO does not care about the terrorists or the American people, but he does care about money and himself. These show trials may uncover a bounty of public money going into the pockets of attorneys (attorneys who kick back some dough for the handout). BHO gets to thank his radical backers again by giving lefties a forum to bash the country they love to hate and steal even more money out of public funds.
The guy on tv the other night said we should put them on the top floor of an old high rise building and set it afire. They can then decide how they want to die. Burn to death, Smoke inhalation, or jump. Similar to the choices 9/11 victims had.
I personally have no problem letting them rot in Gitmo until the “war” is over and their side has surrendered.
But no show trial to appease the left and our enemies. Not that those 2 are mutually exclusive.
I find myself hoping for a big terrorist attack in New York during the trial… bad thing to hope for I know, but what will it take for America to wake up?
Reports I hear say that the trial won’t begin until around 2011 at the earliest, when it may impact on the 2012 election. And what is Obama and Holder going to offer to the 9/11 victims, group therapy?