Here we go: World meddling in 9/11 show trials begins
That didn’t take long, did it?
A legal team is going to New York to prevent the use of evidence provided by Germany in seeking a death penalty. Berlin wants to ensure that promises made by the US are kept if the suspects are found guilty.
A team of observers from the German government is going to New York to oversee the trial of five suspects accused of orchestrating the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States, the news magazine Der Spiegel reported on Saturday.
The federal trial of the suspect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four co-defendants was announced on November 13 by the US Justice Department. The government also asserted that it intends to seek the death penalty if the accused are found guilty.
Germany, which does not have a death penalty, provided evidence for the trial on the condition that it could not be used to support a death sentence. Several members of the al Qaeda cell that planned and executed the attacks of September 11 were previously based in the northern German city of Hamburg.
“In this case we will observe very closely that the given assurances are kept,” Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger said.
(Source)
Remember: It’s all about putting America on trial, not the jihadists.
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Remember the Dancing Itos from the OJ Simpson trial farce? That’s going to look like Pulitzer Award-winning drama after the 9/11 show trials are through:
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We knew this was coming. It will only get worse, and become a magnet for perpetual Bush bashing ad nauseum.
Ah, American jurisprudence brought to you by the U.N. Whats’t not to like?
Oh the irony!
Yet another reason to keep the trials at GITMO as Military Tribunals…but our dear leader thug-in-chief will try to put America on trial by allowing this to become a media and world circus that it will become…he’ll love the America bashing by the terrorists…means he won’t have to do it as much…
How Long till every country out of distrust, ends all ties to out intell agencies, and refuses to work with or share info with us…??
..I wouldn’t blame them… Obama and Terrorist lover Holder are not only endangering America…but most of our allies too..
I guess we’re going to get to watch our Putz in Chief covert a case where the defendant has admitted his guilt to a comical farce that seems to be headed toward an aquittal. Of course, not to worry, Obama says he won’t release the defendants even if acquitted. Not htat he has to make any sense in his idiotic pronouncements.
We must hope and pray that real Americans effectively and relentlessly use this dangerous idiocy, that has been brought to us by domestic-enemy America-haters, to maximum advantage in upcoming elections; by loudly, clearly, ceaselessly identifying and defining its authors and its adherents/supporters/”fellow travelers”.
And who made these promises pray tell? It’s clear that this fiasco has been in the planning stages for some time. AG Holder is just the bag man.
If ever there was a man that needed killin’. His sentence should be carried out using Zyklon-B.
Multi-level irony.
Could someone remind me why we still have troops in Germany?
Is it because the Germans are so dangerous? You know, these dangerous guys who think executing thugs who mass murdered thousands of citizens shouldn’t be put to death?
Or is it because the Germans are too cheap to pay for their own defense against Russia?
Seriously. Does anyone know? I must have forgotten the reason.
Need any more evidence that Obama and his crew are idiots? Or more accurately, talking out of both sides of their mouths?
There’s no reason to hope Obama fails. It’s a certainty. The only question is are there enough fools left to re-elect him.
Agreed but I don’t think enough people are aware of the danger just ahead. Too many are bopping along, singing The Won’s praises and thinking all is well. I fear for our future and our children’s.
Obama and Holder have really put themselves behind the 8 ball on this one. They are in a no win situation for themselves now. If they get the death penalty using the Germans evidence they will have effectively said screw you to Germany and the assurance they have given to the German government which will make co-operation on other foreign policy issues (such as Iran)almost impossible due to lack of trust. If they do not get the death penalty then all the claims that they have both made (Obama saying when the death penalty is carried out and Holder asying that failure to get the death penalty is not an option) political fodder to be used against them in the next election (if the trial is even over by then).
Who wants to bet now that KSM walks?
I had read a news brief about this very thing last week. From what I remember, the German government is concerned over BHO’s and Holder’s comments convicting KSM before there has been a trial.
Leave it up to the brain trust to muck things up.
This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with “putting America on trial”. The death penalty has – for good and very obvious reasons – been abolished in Germany after the end of WWII. German agencies are by law prohibited to provide evidence to any foreign court if it is likely or even possible that the evidence will be used to effect a death penalty. According to the German Justice Departement, this has been made clear to the US authorities at a very early stage. The US side promised, that they would not seek the death penalty using evidence provided by Germany.
Since AG Holder has now made clear, that the death penalty is almost a certainty, it looks as if these assurances might not be kept. It is therefore absolutely normal that the German Justice Department sends someone to monitor the trial. Whoever interprets this as an “anti-american” stance is really missing the point.
Need some old West justice. Just take them out an hang them.
oh god…
Just when you thought it couldn’t get worse….
I have a feeling I am going to be saying that alot.
It’s a distraction technique. Here, look at the shiny jingling keys while we pick your pocket. Or pass health care. Or amnesty. This trial thing has got some serious mileage to it.
It is common for us to make an agreement not to pursue the death penalty when other nations are involed, especially when it concerns extradition. This happens more commonly when dealing with Mexico and Canada.
My hope is that the evidence Germany provides is not critical and not used to avoid having to use the agreement.
Reasons for U.S. Military in Germany:
1. It’s an excellent staging area for air and troop movements.
2. It irks the Left (theirs and ours).
They should be lined up against a wall and shot.
“Firing squad, Achtung!”
Never mind we still have troops in Germany, we still have troops in the Confederate States!
It’s time for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to have an accident. He was smoking in bed with a couple cases of dynamite stored under it, or he had an accident while he was feeding his pet alligator, or he cut himself shaving with a chainsaw, or he…..
it may fool some but the majority are catching on to their antics and hopefully will watch what the other hand is attempting to do…I know I’ll be watching closely what they attempt to do with the evil health care bill and shamnesty…
Just remember people from 88 nations were killed in the 9/11 attacks.
Oh boy!
If you have men and the horses, I’ve got the whiskey and beer.
Queue Tobie Keith….
1. Staging to do what? Forcing Serbia to take Muslim Albanian refugees into Kosovo?
2. That is always fun, but not really a reason to do it.
Just wait for the faux world court in The Hague to attempt to take over the whole thing.
nj aviator. Obama only needs 37% to vote him back into office. there is a 13% solid voting block that will never abandon him. Right now he has a 36% approval rating outside this block. I think it will be very difficult to bring it down any further. What more does he need to do to show this country that he aims to destroy it?
Not only is the death penalty totally appropriate, it is the only appropriate sentence with these kinds of people.
If you try to be “reasonable” and give them prison sentences, you open yourself to endless terrorist attacks and kidnappings to effect their release.
Not that America cares to learn from history anymore.
Chris:
“It is therefore absolutely normal that the German Justice Department sends someone to monitor the trial. Whoever interprets this as an ‘anti-american’ stance is really missing the point.”
First off, America is capitalized.
Normal? Normal to send someone to “monitor” a trial in the US?
Really?
What is the purpose of sending people to monitor the trial?
They can monitor the trial by watching Court TV.
Anyone that believes sending German officials to monitor an American trial is merely to ensure promises kept is willfully blind to the true purpose: To protect the cowardly murdering pedophile-following, goat-loving, personal hygiene avoiding, sheeite-heads that committed mass murder.
This is nothing more than a feeble grandstanding effort on the part of the German’s to meddle in the affairs of the US.
Sgt Hulka? Is that you?
3. Plenty of beer.
4. Blonde, blue-eyed women.
ONE WORLD ORDER BROUGHT ABOUT BY “THE ONE”…
On November 23rd, 2009 at 12:54 pm, Hulka said:
Since English is not my first language, that should really be excusable.
Again: German intelligence agencies are prohibited by law to provide evidence to any foreign court if it is used to pursue a death penalty. The US Department of Justice has made clear that this will not be the case. Since AG Holder has since then publicly declared that the death penalty is pretty much the only option, it seems that the assurances given might not be kept. It is clearly neither anti-American nor “meddeling with US affairs” to follow up on what exactly happens with the evidence provided.
Names of countries are capitalized in german too.
Ah, yes. Of course. What was I thinking?
Spoils of war.
Well said, thank you.
Pathetic excuse!
“Might not be kept.” Well, sure. It’s the Obama Administration. “Words, just words.”
Watch your wallets, too, while you’re over here.
Oops. Sorry b-cat. I accidentally gave AlohaGuy your quote.
On November 23rd, 2009 at 1:16 pm, b-cat said:
Off topic and just for the record: The name alone is capitalized in German, but not the name in combination with e.g. “anti” or “pro”. So it is “Deutschland” with a capital D but “antideutsch”.
This administration hasn’t kept a promise yet, why would they start now?
Maybe that’s why the oservers are coming, they don’t trust Obama either.
Not exactly. The show trials are about putting the Bush Administration and the CIA on trial, as a way of reminding the world of just what a lousy place we were until Teleprompter Jesus arrived to magically transform Amerika into America.
The terrorists are just a motley collection of Potemkin Village props to use toward that end.
So when these lowlifes “walk” does anyone think the “moderates”, progressives, and liberals will understand what happened?
Sure. Bush did it.
I’d kill for a Morenkopf right now.
5. Riesling Spaetlese
That is a given; if there are people out there who believed Eric “the Red” Holder please hang up and call 9-1-1; son- you have a problem.
IF and Please God WHEN, we can get rid of Obamas, Bushes and Clintons we can lower our overseas exposure and not worry what a bunch of $%^&*() foreigners think.
A number of years ago Arizona executed two German lads, brothers Karl and Walter LaGrand, for killing an Arizona banker-the German Ambassador came to Arizona to protest. Our County Attorney refused to meet with him but did issue a statement: Don’t let your people kill our people and we won’t have to execute your people. So what does Germany do? Send the Apelt brothers to Arizona to kill some more Arizonans.
So my non German friends if you happen to be visiting Arizona and hear a German accent: RUN LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT-IT DOES!
Now we love our German cousins-we just wish you would stop killing our people while complaining about capital punishment. Your gas chambers were a whole lot bigger than our gas chambers.
(would THE HELL WITH EUROPE be too harsh?)
Here we go, as the biggest legal debacle in the history of the US takes off. I pray that this insanity stains the democrat party permanently.
the real irony is that germany wouldn’t take any of these towelheaded terrorists, and even went so far as to turn loose the terrorists who killed the jewish athletes in munich. finally liederhosen fit the german male personna.
“The only question is are there enough
foolsblacks, hispanics and white guilt liberals left to re-elect him”?YES!!!!
Just an ole racist bringing in the truth.
It’s time to shoot theses terrorists when caught. It fixes the “trial” problem. It fixes the “did we torture or not” problem. It saves us money.
Rules 5.56 and 7.62 apply (revised Rule .308).
There should be no “caught”.
Perhaps the Germans can demand videographers to upgrade the terrorist’s image, just like OJ.
Should be revised Rule 303 (Breaker Morant). And I agree.
“Caught? There is no caught. There is only kill or not kill,” to paraphrase Yoda.
ECS
Okay…”There is only kill or kill not.”
ECS
Chris,
They can monitor from the comfort of their easy-chair, so there is only one reason to attend—to act all big and bad and important, to bluster and blow about “German” law. . . pfffle. It is an ego-exercise on the part of the German’s.
And, truth be told, it is also political theater for the German’s to play all high and mighty to placate their left-wing base. . .oh, that’s right, the entire political spectrum in that country.
Don’t care about so-called German law.
This is the US, not subject to German law.
Keep that in mind when you try and impose German “law” in the US.
While we are on this, when a terrorist attack takes place in Germany and the German’s suffer thousands of deaths, and if American captures the guilty, America should not extradite to Germany the guilty unless we receive assurances the guilty will be executed.
Don’t like that?
Too bad.
Oh, b-cat, yes, it is I, Sgt Hulka. Earned the name while flying fighters back in the day in Low Fly 7 in Germany, back when German’s had guts.
So Germany is still pulling disgusting acts, are they? It makes me wonder why German-built cars are still being sold and bought in America. I’d strongly recommend not buying German imports/exports as a way of showing your disapproval of their distasteful interference in America’s business.
To my eye this makes Germany complicit in the 9/11/01 WTC attack. Stop meddling in our system of justice, Hans. Turn them over and step aside. We’ll do better by them than they did by our brothers and sisters working in the WTC.
This is what Obummer’s KISS A$$ diplomacy has gotten the United States. Lectures from China about his stupid financial policies and now Germany treating us like a banana republic and checking up on us. Japan backed out of an agreement for cooperation. The list goes on….and on…..
6. Mercedes
The United States president dances around like a puppet on a string, while his appointies make policy and call the shots. Where in the hell is the Senate and House of Represenatives?