Insanity of the day
Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist:
Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And three of the SEALs who captured him are now facing criminal charges, sources told FoxNews.com.
The three, all members of the Navy’s elite commando unit, have refused non-judicial punishment — called an admiral’s mast — and have requested a trial by court-martial.
Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named “Objective Amber,” told investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to prove it.
Now, instead of being lauded for bringing to justice a high-value target, three of the SEAL commandos, all enlisted, face assault charges and have retained lawyers.
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I would cut off his bruised lips and let him watch them cook in a frying pan and then feed them to my dog…
These liberals have NO idea of the real world, and someday we will ALL pay for it.
He’s lucky he’s still breathing. Messing with the SEALS may not be the best plan there, Ahmed.
Did they use ‘harsh language’ too?! Why don’t we just throw down all our arms & surrender? I must be in some kind of Algore alternate universe – oh yeah, we’re in Obamastan!
Please, tell me this an “Onion” type satire?
Nonetheless, from what I’ve seen how far we have progressed toward the ultimate insane, PC policies,–started under the clueless “Compassionate Conservative, Bush and HIGHLY exacerbated under our present, FASCIST, “Commander-in-Least–I fear it is no joke.
Not pulled out his fingernails? Not tied electrical wires to his testicles? Not even “Waterboarded?” But “PUNCHED IN THE MOUTH?”
Give me a F’N break!
IF the military does not rescind this charge IN SHAME, they deserve to have their enlistment (and re-enlistment) numbers to plummet.
This is beyond, insanity. Its flat out “LUNACY!”
God Bless our Military and God Bless America.
All the more reason to not take any prisoners!
What’s the problem? They didn’t chop off his head.
I read this, and my first thought was “It’s April 1st, isn’t it?” Nope. It ain’t. Then, “I fell into a rabbit hole, didn’t I?” Nope. No such luck. It is just another day in Amerika with Herr Obama as our exalted leader.
2012 will not get here fast enough for me.
Abed mutilated the bodies, dragged the bodies thru the streets and hung two of them from a bridge, and he gets a bloody lip? I suppose they hurt his feelings too. Janet Napolitano needs to investigate those Right Wing Extremist Navy Seals.
This douchbag/Detainee KILLED several AMERICANS – He and the rest of America should be applauding the SEAL’s RESTRAINT!
I wonder if there will be a statement of support for the SEAL’s from Murtha’s office?
Time to bring back “Dead or Alive”, meaning dead. No assault complaints that way, and you don’t have to worry about losing your Miranda card. The only reason to bring them in alive in the first place was for interrogation, and we can’t even do that anymore. Find’em, kill’em, and be done with it.
But did they read the sailors THEIR rights?
President Obama simply will not tolerate any violence by American armed forces!
This!
Any chance we can get the name of the officer recommending charges?
some of us already have…the most recent…14 at Ft. Hood…
These men are heroes who would and have put their lives on the line so that libturds have the right to spew there crap….
ooops…
theretheir*Facepalm*
Any further questions as to the reason for the NY Show Trials?
KILL. THEM. ALL. PERIOD.
This is absolutely insane. I despise the JAG Corp completely and always have.
Hey, to be fair to Obama, one of these guys might have called him a name that painted his mother in an unflattering light.
So on Dec 1, can we expect Obama to announce our surrender to the Taliban, and the amount of reparations we will pay?
I simply cannot believe what I just read! Like some other commenters wrote, this has to be a bad joke. Dear Lord! We do not deserve these brave men and women who fight for us.
Let us know if there’s a legal defense fund. I’ll happily contribute.
As a retired Army officer I can only say that the officer that preferred charges should be drummed out of the service, lacking that be told that his poor judgment will result in being frozen in grade forever.( or until a promotion board passes him over) I cannot believe this S**T! Bless the Seals…
As I posted on this subject before:
Embolden our enemies;
Abandon our friends;
Disparage our nation;
Prosecute those who are protecting us.
Can we survive this administration?!
Michelle, I fail to see what is “insane” about possibly holding to account US military personnel should they be found to have breached US military regulations.
First off, there’s no point getting too far ahead of things. The prisoner made abuse allegations, which is SOP right out of the al Qaeda manual. This may all amount to nothing, much like the Haditha “cold blooded murder” charges eventually fizzled.
But if the SEALs in question did commit the alleged acts, then why all the high dudgeon about holding them accountable for violations of policy/regulations? Even I remember that one of the “Five S’s” for prisoner handling that we were taught in basic training was, “Safeguard.” Which specifically includes safeguarding prisoners from abuse by our own personnel.
I carry no water for terrorists, but when we start disregarding our own military regulations because “It felt good to pop him one in the mouth — and besides, I’m a SEAL, regulations are for little people!” — then why have regulations at all?
And since when did the SEALS become exempt from the rules that everyone else is subject to? With greater power comes greater responsibility; given the comparative latitude they receive compared to “ordinary” military personnel, I’d rather have our SOCOM people held to an even higher standard of accountability.
Absolutely. We use to have a numbnut like that in one of the units we assisted way back when. Filing charges like this was a CLM for sure.
And may God continue Bless all of our fighting men and women.
It is a shame what Obama is doing to our military and out country daily.
Next, a wound from battle, can be assumed to be “assault/battery”, or attempted murder, when he is taken prisoner.
I just don’t have the words.
ECS
Captain, Armor
United States Army (Retired)
I am always angered when hearing complaints about the “collateral damage” of American attacks on the enemy. The liberals whine about women and children being killed. I think it is GOOD they were killed.
The ancient Romans killed the enemy, their women and their sons. The men were the enemy, the women were breeders of the enemy and the Romans knew that the sons would grow up and become the enemy. The girls they took as slaves…
The Roman warriors were always welcomed home with great parades and fanfare. They were given riches and honor, and admired by all.
The Roman Empire lasted 1000 years, how many more years do we have…?
I didn’t see who complained and/or brought the charges..surely not the poor picked terrorist, or was it another JAG working for the terrorists? Another example of the hell with judicial justice, shoot the bastards in the field…IT’S A WAR, DAMN IT.
New rules of engagement, keep all lawyers in a dark room while the fighting is going on.
Just about all of my contempt is for the “superior” officer who brought up the charges.
The p*ssification of our military is ongoing and soon leave us with no one to fight our battles if they are not left to do their jobs. Further, with constant changes in their rules of engagement, I am surprised we do not send them into battle each with a lawyer at their side.
Come to think of it, this may be a way to thin out the attorney herd.
In 2 1/2 years, my husband will be retiring from the military. Good riddance to the military. PC rules have run amock from how we treat terrorists to running the military like a business.
The military is a joke now. There are some fine people serving in it but the institution itself has changed both culturally and politically. That’s the whole goal of both political parties.
I’m not surprised by any of this. As the saying goes, “I’ve seen the enemy and the enemy is us.”
Not only did they kill their enemy, they did it with style. They would take the leader of said enemy, parade him as a “prize of war” gained by their victorious soldiers, and the reason for his parading was not simply to show him off as vanquished before the Roman people so they can see him under the yoke, but for him to witness the glory of Rome before his execution, which was normally strangulation.
Julius Caesar once showed clemency to the enemy by simply cutting off all the men’s right arms instead of killing them. Yup, that was mercy back then.
So where do you get this scenario from? First off, if you’re a hot head who lacks restraint, and thinks regs are for little people, you are not a SEAL. Period.
Also these SEALS refused non-judicial discipline, called an admiral’s mast and are demanding a trial by courts marshal. You think they would risk their reputations and even commissions over a pop in the mouth?
Get. A. Clue.
This guy was a most wanted for crimes committed in what 2004? And we are putting the guys that tracked this scum down and putting them on trial? I feel like I’ve entered bizarro world (again).
On the upside, they didn’t subject him to the dreaded “panties on the head” torture. /sarc
This saddens me to no end, that our brave men and women (my son included) are subjected to this kind of “thanks” for a job well done from our government. No, it sickens me, and angers me, makes me want to punch a liberal.
Is there any way we can tangibly express support for these brave SEALs? Contributions to a defense fund, or a fund for their families??
The officer who brought the charges should be court-martialed.
I will send $100.00 to buy bullets to our Navy Seals to see this DOES not happen again. I guess our dear holder will bring him to NY to see this sub-human gets his ‘Rights’. God, please be with all our wonderful men and women in the military. This makes me so sick, I just had supper and about to thow up.
L
Regulus,
I have heard that argument a lot concerning military rules of engagement. I think the rules are now so restrictive that we actually put our soldiers at risk because of these rules. If you sign up I guess you are bound by these rules, but our enemies are not bound by such rules.
It makes me VERY happy that my daughter just decided against joining ROTC. She saw what she would be subject to, saw the disdain with which Obama views a the military, and said No THANKS!
I guess the SEALs that took out the Somalian pirates had better watch their backs.
Looks like we’ll have to train our military to stomp their feet, wag their fingers and look really stern while apologizing for America’s transgressions. That’ll teach those pesky terrorists!
You should read “Lone Survivor” by Marcus Luttrell. His SEAL team followed the rules of engagement, against their better judgement and it cost the lives of his team and 11 rescuers. Best book I have read in years.
Would be interested in his take on this nonsense.
exactly. taking prisoners during the obama administration will result in trails for those who took prisoners.
Picture this – Marquis of Queensbury rules-bound boxer against a bunch of anything-goes street fighters. I wouldn’t want to be the boxer.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Interogative, Over. People, don’t jump to conclusions.
Ok, from the news story, the package was in a detention cell when he recieved the alleged ‘fat lip’ abuse. If he did receive it after secured and there are no other mitigating circumstances (e.g., resisted transport or movement from the cell)then they are dead wrong and an ART. 32 will find there are grounds for charges. If there has been an ART. 32 hearing and there were grounds then the fact that the three SEALs are requesting an Admiral’s Mast may indicate that there are mitigating circumstances or that the injury to the detainee didn’t occur as alleged.
If it is abuse, and the charges prove to be true. Then it is the kind of dishonorable action that would while very human, reflect poorly on the other brave men who have earned an Eagle bearing a Trident and Pistol who behave with honor, courage and gallantry that have become legend. It takes away from the Michael Monsoor’s, the Marcus Luttrell’s and the Michael Murphy’s who’s actions contributed to that legend along with their comrades living and dead. We speaking generally of US service members are above abusing the defenseless regardless of how heinous and despicable they may be. We are better than they and prove it by our actions.
So, if these allegations prove to be true the perpetrators deserve to have the book thrown at them. If not, then they deserve an apology from those who would assume that they are guilty before proven otherwise. The USA I knew believed in the presumption of innocence.
SAS LTC(ret) USA
ssnark – They want a court-martial. How does that compare to a admiral’s mast?
Don’t forget folks that we are evidently in negotiations with the Talibbies about giving them part of Afganistan if only they will love us and our pretty leader.
Michelle, please let us know if there is a defense fund set up and where to send money. Don’t forget to put it on your facebook too.
Thanks.
On November 24th, 2009 at 7:54 pm, jjmurphy said:
If I were not guilty I’d want to be tried by Courts Martial. If I were guilty I would’ve taken NJP (Non Judicial Punishment) under Art. 15 of the UCMJ.
I tend to hope and pray they’re not guilty but, will await the verdict of the tribunal. They’ve essentially proclaimed their innocence by requesting Courts Martial. The big problem will be that there will be a lot of political pressure on this trial and I’m not sure that it will be a fair one at least not until after appellate review.
Either way, I think that the less attention from the press this gets the more likely a fair and impartial verdict and not one mandated by command (e.g., Atty. Gen’l. Holder’s comments about the foregone verdict of the civilian trial of Sheikh Khalid Mohammed).
Oops! Palm-Head
I forgot the quote about them wanting a Courts Martial and my opinion on that option.
Like this?
Michelle,
Sounds like a good time to set up a defense fund. Can you set it up?
I’m in for helping these elite warriors on the front lines of hell.
When will the fraud of Obama end?
More like this
In the Age of Obama, foreign terrorists captured overseas in a war zone are afforded more rights than the servicemen who captured them.
We have to utterly destroy liberalism in the country.
MORE INSANITY
The Dithering President Obama has finally made a decision on sending troops months after his self appointed General requested them. But instead of just announcing it he will make our country and our troops wait until next week so he can use it as another big media event. Chalk up a another national address for the ego maniac and chief.
Just because we’re at war doesn’t mean we can’t be nice to people.
We need to adopt the Israeli policy on terrorism:
“See terrorist, kill terrorist. If you keep company with terrorists, you are a terrorist.”
Holder is salivating as he awaits his turn to get hold of the brave Seals.
He probably has a couple of his dopes working on a hate crime complaint as we speak.
BTW, this terrorist should never have been brought in alive.
Anyone that saw the images of the 4 contractors burning, hung and dragged through the streets would agree with me.
This is not insanity. This is reality. More to come….
“HALT!” >>BAM<>BAM<< “OR I’LL SHOOT!”
Two in the turban, that’s all these animals deserve or understand.
So the military is prosecuting 3 Navy SEALS for subduing a terrorist caught on the battlefield…… that’s just great.
If worthless piece of slime happened to be caught in the act while wearing no uniform or identifiable markings…. they should have shot him right there.
Hopefully, this will be a “Terrorist Said” vs “4 Navy SEALS said” issue…… which will be summarily dismissed due to lack of credible evidence.
This IS Obama’s plan. To demoralize every member of the U.S. military until it collapses. Demoralize and persecute every CIA agent until it collapses. Attack and demoralize the U.S. economy until it collapses. Barrack Hussein Obama is Mr Destruction. Someone buy that guy a WWE leotard.
there ya go…. fixed that up a bit.
Bad idea for him and the left. If you want total power, you have to have the support of the military. If it is against you, you’ve lost. When this nation was created, citizens had a fear oof a standing army. It could unsurp the government or influence the elections. Every dictator has gotten the military to support him. The left, today, is trying to do the opposite. It will be fatal to them, when the move to total power occurs and they have an insurrection with the military supporting it.
They were referring to warfighting, not mass entertainment.
More like about 500 years, Rob, from about 45BC to 475AD. You could cite the eastern empire which held up for about 1500 years, but traditionally the “Roman Empire” refers to the original, western empire, with Julius Caesar as it’s first emperor.
You just can’t make this stuff up. Sheesh.
Jake
Blackfive blasts AP at HotAir for AP’s patented usual clueless dimwitted elitest snark – this time directed against the SEALS:
“Noted beta male and “many moons ago” entertaining blogger Allahpundit at Hot Air throws three Navy SEALs under the bus just to appease people who are only safe to be appeased, himself included, because of these rough men.”
Allahpundit shows his a** ref SEALs
Blackfive, doing the calling out that Michelle should really be doing instead.
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The Officer who put the Seals up on charges might want to be careful when he opens his tent flap next time.
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FRAGGING–enlisted man’s HOPE AND CHANGE tool for improvements in commander smarts.
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Maybe we could start the terrorist’s trial in NYC just after the court releases KSM and his 4 buddies for lack of Miranda warnings and for lack of admissible untainted evidence.
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John Bibb
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Political Correctness is one of the reasons I took off the hat after 20 years. The “Trident” navy was a pale comparison to the “41 for Freedom.”
I felt a dinosaur at the ripe old age of 39.
At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years.
At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
Abraham Lincoln, 1838
Someday we are going to call for our young people to step up and defend us and the silence will be deafening. Politicians (Murtha, Kerry and Durbin types) telling horrible lies about them, TV and movies portraying them as blood thirty sickos-yes that horrible slander Rambo, colleges kicking out ROTC and on it goes. Now these three SEAL commandos face assault charges.
America’s finest ARE NOT the scum bag leftist regardless of Walter Conkite types prattle: America’s finest are the Dogs, Flyboys, Jarheads and Sailors -baby killers oft called- who step into the breach. Remember them in your prayers and pray for the Day of Reckoning.
While I miss my father and uncles of WW II dearly I am thankful none of them lived long enough to see just how cowardly their beloved people and country have become. Pray for the day of reckoning–cowards and traitors have much to answer for.
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“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” Barack Hussein Obama July 2, 2008
Why not? Stalin had his NKVD, Hitler his Gestapo. Pray for the Day of Reckoning. Pray for and support these three SEALs.
All special op units who are currently holding combatants in Iraq or Afghanistan scheduled to be transfered to Gitmo should take notice of this outrage and seriously consider arranging to give their prisoners a chance to ‘escape’ – somewhere over blue water.
Three Al Qaeda poisoned while trying to escape?
If people think that police took the beaches of France, Italy, Iwo Jima, Tarawa they are mistaken.
Combat Soldiers and Marines took those places and thousands more.
And they didn’t do it by reading Miranda rights to everyone and by playing nice.
They killed, they used field toture to extract combat ready intell, they were vicious.
And that is what wins in combat. Even Bush started blurring the issue with is PC ROEs.
This administration is however so insane and so Anti-American, you have to question if the aim is to lose.
And shame to the scummy officers in the military who in order to get more brass on those collars, sacrifice the other officers and those enlisted men to do so.
Better to lose a war and people than Diversity.
I guess that Ft. Hood wasn’t enough for the PC crowd running the military. This is just another symptom of what happens when liberals run the country. It’s going to get worse before it gets better.
What do you expect when an enemy combatant is usurping the office of Commander in Chief?
This is easy to figure out. Blackwater USA was declared the enemy by the media. Plus, the SEALs have broken pc rules. In Obama’s world, the military are nothing more than a glorified police agency stuck over seas. This will surely be seen as an early Christmas present for Eric Holder.
Lead poisoning.
Let Diversity abound! – in grave markers.
Dead men tell no tales.
Small wonder that most of the military despises liberals.
It took Pearl Harbor and the very real threat of extermination to put it in hibernation for a few years. I’m afraid it’s going to take something even worse for it to be permanently destroyed.
That is not just Obama’s view. It is the view of the entire Democrat Party (and too much of the Republican Party). That view has the American military serving the interests of ‘the world’ rather than American interests.
These people (Democrats) are anti-American. Intensely anti-American. Completely anti-American. Yes, even the ones in the military are anti-American.
They serve the interests of the globalists, not the interests of Americans.
They rationalize that it is in the interests of all Americans that the globe does well, but then they promptly forget the rest of the world doesn’t see it going the other way, too. Most of the globe sees one of their most important interests as the decimation of American power and well being.
Advancing the interests and power of people like that could not be more anti-American.
Democrats are anti-American. All of them. Every one of them. They are traitors.
Doubtful. We had 9/11, and even that was politicized hours later. Culture still had morals and a decent sense of national pride in the 40′s, but not so much nowadays. Our own worst enemy lives among us all.
When they make their final power grab and we respond the Day of Reckoning will have arrived. The strong man keeps watch and protects home and family. The weakling and coward march head down into the camps.
Are we Venezuelans or Americans?
This makes me sick. I’ve had just about all I can take from this military and country hating administration.
We are on the fast track to a liberal socialist “utopia”.
Wonder what they will do when good folks stop volunteering to enlist, and the college punks that voted for this bunch get some good old Charlie Rangel draft treatment.
Sadly, the difference is becoming less and less distinct with the current regime.
They are Fifth Columnists.
It’s getting close. The stick can only bend so much before it breaks. When it breaks, we will have entered a new facet of American History.
Watch closely.
i NEVER want to hear another democrat tell me the democrats don’t HATE the military, the cia, and virtually anyone who protects this nation from it’s enemies. the kent state story has been burned into these communists brain as if 400 died while rioting and attacking the guard instead of 4. gee, to call out the guard when college campuses are having bombs set and buildings torched, the nerve of those fascist governors. it all goes back to the 60′s when these worthless chickens**t hippies thought they were too good to serve the country fighting a war THEY deemed unjust, and now they are congress (_*_)s and msm reporter (_!_)s. the weasels can all (_X_).
No, no, no, don’t you see?…This is how we show the world that we’re better than our enemies (or I should say “those who simply misunderstand us.”
/sarc
Michelle, I fail to see what is “insane” about possibly holding to account US military personnel should they be found to have breached US military regulations.
The insanity is that three able-bodies Seals are now probably on restricted duty…and WE ARE AT WAR!
“we’re better than our enemies” could be stenciled on artillery shells, bombs and such.
Another reason not to take prisoners.
Glenn Beck took a lot of heat on Hot Air because he said on his show the other night he would not recommend anybody join the military now days. Sadly, I take the same stand. You volunteer, you get sent into danger, you are not allowed to kill or capture the bad guys and when you do, you are court martialed. The same was pretty much true under Bush. Far as I know ROE’s havent changed.
Either we win this miserable war or we bring the guys home now.
I’m glad to hear the Seals are demanding a court martial where the BS can all come out rather than being swept under the rug in a Captain’s Mast.
The Haditha marines that have been tried have been vindicated and these heros will be too.
As for the losers who are instigating charges, your cowardly behavior is a disgrace. This veteran does not honor your service.