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Yes, and I say, go for it!! Unfortunately, Obama will condemn such actions because he is on the side of the jihadis. Israel is pretty much on their own and I hope they get their licks in soon. They are badly outnumbered and it doesn’t look good. In addition to all the amazing and wonderful people in Israel and that it is a democracy, they also house many of our most treasured Christian sites, like the place where Christ was born, etc. What an incredible loss to the world if Iran succeeds.
No. He does not work for us. He works for New Yorkers. They are the only ones who can fire him.
New Yorkers love their traitorous demagogues.
I’ve been told it is PC incorrect to refer to people as Orientals. People must be termed Asian. Oriental is okay for objects. But then I see all these Asian restaurants.
Even dense me knew where you were going with that.
Maybe Brooks is bucking for a side gig at Rolling Stone.
What I meant by “works for US” is he works for the people, not the other way around. Just like all the morons in Congress. They are elected by the People and can be fired by them too!!
Pure, that is the theory (that they work for us), but my point is very important.
If even the extreme horror of 9/11 slammed straight into the heart of their Great City couldn’t make New Yorkers even slightly more conservative and anti-collectivist and aware of the Islamic danger (they nominated McCain and elected Obama, both by huge margins, and even a ‘solidly Republican’ district there like NY-23 could still vote in a Democrat who would vote for the medical care destruction atrocity), there is no way Americans should be continuing to regard that state as a serious part of our country (“our country” being the country of the US Constitution).
New York, and other blue states like it, are not American in the proper sense. They have been Europeanized and collectivized and turned into fanatically politically correct, dhimmified slaves.
FRANCE is more “American” than New York is.
Seriously.
Oops. Sorry. Should have been Happyscrapper, not Pure.
I’m half “Oriental” and I don’t know where that came from. Wonder who came up with the idea that it’s unPC to refer to Asians as Orientals?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/purealchemy/
Here’s a link to my photos from yesterday’s St. Louis downtown Tea Party.
I heard this last week: Europeans think of themselves as German or French or Spanish, etc. Americans think of themselves as African-American, Asian-American, Hispanic, whatever. Anything but “Americans”. Generalizing, I know, but there is truth to that.
Wait a week or so, “Asian” will be racist and Northeastern Hemispherian will the PC thing to say.
I would rather set King Chucky “let them eat cake” Schumer’s arse on fire but I suppose we can not do that–yet
On November 29th, 2009 at 9:45 am,
A couple of hundred thousand to a million sure as shooting beats a billion. That’s pretty much how many people you want to make your enemy. The evidence is this, a billion people aren’t blowing themselves up or pulling a MAJ Malik Nidal Hasan on us either. Now you don’t have to rise up in arms against something or someone especially when everyone including those somebodies is telling you that they want to declare war on you. Besides, it might just be possible, just maybe that they could care less? For the most part actually, the majority of muslims that I know in the world, (a fair number BTW)who’ve met Americans like us. We’re kind of strange, a little misguided they think but nice folk. There are other reasons that entire Muslim nations aren’t all that anxious to see us destroyed. Jordan for instance, likes to use ‘our friendship’ to keep the Syrians at bay. Malaysia loves our money which its manufactured goods (look at where circuit boards, toys and small electronics are made). Indonesia, Brunei and other parts of East Asia like our cigarettes(nice thing that). Bengaladesh still remembers that Americans and not Muslims were the first to their aid (though they don’t trust the Brits who really were first). Most of Muslim Africa (pretty much all of North and East Africa with some notable exceptions aren’t adverse to Americans although we puzzle them because of our spotty record there. Although some places like Morocco look wistfully back upon the times in WWII and immediately thereafter that we had a large presence there. Generally, the Muslim world where it has come into contact with Americans individually likes us, they don’t usually like our government because it is used as the glue that keeps many Islamic governments in power they make us responsible for the oppression these governments impose. Then we get to the Muslims who might be ‘friends’ some like the Herzegovinians are disposed that way because we stopped the killing, but because our foreign policy changes more often than a model at a fashion show and with every change of season feel very insecure about aligning themselves with us. The same goes for the UAE, Bahrain and the Kuwaitis. Moreover, just because someone isn’t your enemy doesn’t mean they’re your friend either.
People like you and filmladd worry me. I’ve a son that is starting his career at the bottom of the ladder (E-1) and may make a career out of the Army though he doesn’t know it yet. It’s all well and good for you to decide that we could fight over a billion Muslims. But, you won’t be the ones doing the fighting. My son will be, and if the fecal material really hits the oscillating air movement device I will be again. Now, is the time for the American people to become more knowledgeable about Islam because a lot of the people I run into in the DFW Metroplex and even here in small town ‘we’re not even worth flying over’ Texas don’t know diddly about Islam. First, did you know there are a good million or so Muslims in Los Angeles proper? How about a similar number in and around Detroit or in DFW? While Mr. Obama is dead wrong about where we rank in terms of Muslim population in terms of the world, he’s not far off in the actual numbers in the US. If all of those people were the ‘enemy’ don’t you think that if they all went Malik Nidal Hasan on us it would cause terror and panic? The vast majority of them in the US are scared witless about what to do to stop the demonization and character assasination of them and their religion. Some 5,000 or so have joined the US Army and are trying the path that worked for the American Negro, American Indian and Japanese in proving their good citizenship. Yes, there are a small number of Jihadis that may be among them. But by and large that isn’t the case, quite the opposite in fact. The rest, sit quietly worried that they may be rounded up and sent to a new Manzanar by people too ignorant to know that these people were not fighters in most cases they fled the situation at home. They’re like most of you regardless of religion. Right now,the very same things that are being said in comments on this blog were said three hundred years ago by Catholics against Lutherans and Calvinists, Lutherans against Catholics and sometimes Calvinists, Calvinists against Catholics and sometimes Lutherans and all three against Baptists, Episcopalians, Puritans, Anabaptists and any other Christian group not of the major three of the times. The battle does not go back 1500 years. The Crusades are over. We lost those, they won. Get over it. Some 500 years later the Ottomans who numbered Muslims in a majority were defeated by a combined force at the battle of Vienna. The Turks were held during the seige in 1529 and repulsed in 1623. The Habsburg Empire won the Ottomans lost but that had less to do with Religion than a lust for ‘lebensraum’ that the Ottoman Emperor, sometimes known as “Mad Murad IV” because he was pretty much mad as a hatter had for extending his empire in a direction that didn’t involve fighting the slowly dying empire of my ancestors (Mongols). He thought it would be easy pickings because this is about the same time as the fools in Europe were killing each other over who had the right brand of Christianity. The Habsburgs, good Catholics all, would fall out amongst themselves causing the break up of the Holy Roman Empire into the Spanish, Austro-Hungarian and Low Countries Union of Arras. Almost a hundred and fifty years later a group of colonies breaks away from Britain and given the bloody wars in Europe over what brand of Christianity will prevail over whom, decide on a secular form of government with a very novel law that anyone may worship as they please.
I know its a novel concept, being only a couple of hundred years (233) but religious tolerance isn’t a bad idea.
In conclusion the founding fathers had a point (and not one on top of their heads as some would believe). Religious tolerance is good and can allow for peaceful coexistence. The Thirty Years War, The Eighty Years War and numerous wars in between show that religious intolerance is bad and can lead to Mad Ottoman Turkish emperors having designs on your fiefdoms since you’re too busy fighting yourselves to pose much of a threat to his forces. All of history shows that not everyone who isn’t your friend is your enemy. It also shows that it’s a good idea to choose your enemy wisely and to not ‘bite off more than you can chew’. It also shows that If you pick too many enemies you can wind up losing everything (WWI). It also shows that If you want to pick the entire world as your enemy pick a time when most of them are fighting amongst themselves and have the most loyal fighting allies and best organized force in the world (Mongols).
On November 29th, 2009 at 12:25 pm, purealchemy said:
Oh Goodness! Say it isn’t so, could I have missed my PC class, again?
You’re talking to the ‘cracker’ who had an NAACP representative sicced on him because he told his command that he “understood people or being Green, but not black, white, brown, yellow or pink with purple polka dotted. So you could be Army Green or people in the unit but none of the other things.” This back in the days when racial tensions ran high and there were frequent fights in the barracks.
I’m Oriental. I don’t give a tinker’s darn if its PC or not. If you want to be precise I’m a Mongloid Mongolian Mongrel. I might be Asian, my family moved back to Asia around the mid 16th Century (hard to reconcile calendars). But before that we ruled parts of the Trans Caucasus and Middle East. God alone knows what the mixture is and I’m sure he doesn’t care.
4 Officers Executed Mob Style at a Coffee Shop in Seattle..
This would be one of the excuses that Obama will use to implement “National Security Police”.. What he doesn’t tell you of course is the perpetrator(s) of this crime is exactly the kind of Gang Member riff-raff that would be recruited by Acorn type organizations to be IN the National Police Force.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,577691,00.html
I agree. And we are no longer United States. PC and diversity has split this country in half. If there was some way to make the liberals all just disappear, I would not miss the moonbat half at all. Unfortunately, they are all mixed in with regular folks and walk among us, like child molesters and other predatory creatures. And, they look so normal, you can’t tell who is sane and who is insane, sometimes until it is too late. I’m not just wisecracking here…I am dead serious.
Well, since this is still at the top, I guess I’ll add a few more items.
From my politics blog: Netanyahu government declares 10-month building freeze, which is damaging. There’s 2 petitions I linked to there, which you can sign to protest this.
From my comics blog: Roy Harper, whose best superhero name was surely Arsenal, has been subjected to something very disgusting, another reason why the DC Universe is being destroyed.
And, from my game blog: video of Juno First. Enjoy that.
On November 29th, 2009 at 1:41 pm, purealchemy
Love the pic of the dog with the sign that says, “What Next A Kibble Czar?”. Too cute for words. I may need that Obamacart if my taxes go any higher.
Sorry, Ssnark, but religious tolerance has to work both ways. You may have met many individual Muslims who acted like they liked you and maybe even said they were willing to be tolerant of you, but from simple observation of what happens to countries that reach a significant percentage of Muslims we know those ‘moderate’ Muslims will side with the violent jihadists when the chips are down. Or they will simply vote for Shariah Law.
The struggle is not really about ‘religion.’ It is about philosophy and politics. Islam is a political and philosophical force. Ignoring that aspect of it will not make it go away.
No, I do not think we should ‘declare war on Islam.’ However, failing to recognize all of literalist Islam, which today is nearly all of the knowledgeable part it (as with all large religious movements, many have no idea what their religion’s philosophical outlook is), is at war with us is a sure path to suicide.
For instance, those millions of peaceful Muslims you talked about who are already in America split their vote almost evenly in 2000, but then voted overwhelmingly for Kerry in 2004, even with all of the extreme Muslim rear end kissing Bush did with his “religion of peace” mantra and everything else he did other than actually directly trying to kill the people who wanted to mass murder us.
I would be astounded if they didn’t not vote even more overwhelmingly in favor of Obama.
This is not about our religious tolerance. It is about theirs. Moderate Muslims will only side with us against those who want to mass murder us when it suits their purposes in their struggle inside Islam. There really is no moderate, tolerant Muslim any more than there was a ‘freedom loving’ communist as the Soviets were fighting beside us in WWII.
I don’t know if this is another domestic terrorist event, but four Washington (state) police officers were just shot and killed in ambush by an as yet undetermined assailant. Occurred at a coffee shop next to an air base. Looks bad.
It’s not a religion.. It’s a cult founded by a pedophile who was the equivalent of a mob boss back in that time.. Why don’t people just call it what it is? The whole “religious” discussion is pointless, because it’s only a religion in the sense that Environmentalist nuts worship trees & animals..
Yeah, I posted this earlier Phil. It will be interesting to see how the media handles this one. I’ve already noticed that Fox News has gone from saying they were looking for a “Black Man” & a “White Man”, to just “a Man”.. I wonder if Jesse & Al called them?
Here’s how they will be doing the news in a few years:
Four Government Employees who’s job it is to patrol the streets to keep things nice, were penetrated by several projectiles, & subsequently stopped breathing.
The organic lifeform who directed those projectiles at these employees, may vary in color from the larger percentage of our society. If you have any information on this unfortunate incident (which still might have been just an accident) please call the Unfortunate Incident Tip Hotline at 1-999-not-nice.
went out to Jersey to be with the daughter for turkey day (she’s conservative) and had to deal with her in-law libtards…they asked what I do and I told em political blogging and work on 10th Amendment issues…the first thing out of this woman’s mouth was oh you’re one of those who patrols the border with guns shooting illegals? Told her I do things the legal way versus the illegals…she’s a dang lawyer and can’t tell the difference between legal and illegal acts??…stupid moron….you can’t argue with stupid I guess…
…guess that makes me poor white trash, who votes conservative.
Wait a sec…I’m the enemy
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That was not necessarily a credible source. You guys are probably correct.
Yeah, that was a hoot. I just copied a few other photos from another Tea Partier on Facebook of a small truck that was decorated all over with poltical stuff. It was circling the square the whole time as was the guy selling his beef jerky.
p.s. ssnark,I put shorcuts on my desktop to your two blogs so I don’t lose track.
happy and I are like two sides of the same coin anyway, IMHO.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080822083323AAWGCqo
Turns out my source was credible on Asian vs. Oriental.
On November 29th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, Roland said:
You might be surprised if you keep an open mind and a closed mouth. There is as much contention among Muslims about all this as there was among Christians in the 16th and 17th Century. Our wonderful news media doesn’t pay attention to it because they can’t understand it. Everything from what is and what isn’t an ‘unbeliever’ to the fact that Sharia is ‘old fashioned and stupid’. It’s kind of odd to meet a ‘Reform’ Muslim as it breaks all stereotypes. I even had a debate with one once over whether the Koran is truly a Koran if it isn’t in Arabic and found myself trying to defend the traditionalist view. Amusing, since I’m not Muslim. Even more amusing to my Muslim friends, especially the ones who know my religion. Still, fitting in with folks is one tool of my former trade.
In WWII there might still have been a ‘freedom loving’ member of the Soviet Red Army. Some of my great, great uncles were ‘freedom loving’ members of the People’s Army of China against Japan simply because they knew what a dirty thief Chiang Kai Shek was. Most immigrated or were among the few that made it into Hong Kong or Taiwan after the revolution that put Mao Tse Tung in power.
My points are these.
1). Not everyone who is not your friend is your enemy.
2). Know your enemy, know them better than you know your best friend. The more you truly know of your enemy then you have greater and more numerous options than you would if you don’t.
3). Don’t make enemies where it isn’t absolutely life of death necessary. (The life you save in doing so may be my son, myself or a close friend or their son or daughter)
4). Choose your enemies carefully. Make sure you differentiate them from those not your enemy but not your friend lest you find yourself engaged in battles you don’t need and didn’t want or worse still can’t afford to fight.
5). Know your strength. The US has military primacy but that’s not the same as omnipotence. Remember that 6,000 or so M1 Abrams, 4,000 or so M2/M3 Bradleys a couple of thousand POS Strykers won’t go very far in a two ocean multi-front war against a billion people. Look what happened when only a million screaming Chinamen came charging at three US divisions (similar odds at play here). I really don’t want to re-play the battle of Islandwana if I don’t have to. I have an aversion to dying if you don’t mind.
Moreover, open up the ‘nuclear option’ and you may find a hollow tiger there. Most of our nuclear arsenal is over 25 years old. Hanford was decommissioned so, we’ll be going up against new nukes with old ones. What’s the likelihood that years of irradiation have affected the effectiveness of the electronics inside those nukes? What’s the half life of Tritium and plutonium? How will that affect yeild and critical mass? Airpower is ineffective against small ‘low value’ targets whereas, small ‘low value’ targets can deliver killing power far in excess of its own value in any way you want to cut it. That was the lesson the DoD and all of the services wanted to cover-up from the Millenium challenge. Small lightly equipped unconventional forces took out fleets and armies.
4). Even if you know what you believe to be true best not to say it lest you inform people of your true intent.
Pasadena Phil said:
One question I have:
Is this another gun-free town?
No, I do not wish to make them my enemy but we have little to say about it. Tis not I who preaches seeking out the infidel and subjugate, convert or kill him-that is Islam in it’s purest. I have no desire to fly the Stars and Stripes over Mecca but more than just a few mohammedans vow to fly the green flag over the White House. Centuries before any Crusaders entered the Levant mohammedans had conquered it, Christian Armenia, Christian North Africa and Christian Iberia. The lads have been on the march since conception-it is their justification for being.
If we can ever get our heads on straight and quit Mohammedanland and keep mohammedans out of here the war will be greatly reduced. But it is the duty and right of every mohammedan male to spread their death cult; first they call for your surrender and if you refuse by the sword. The Jews they just plan to annihilate.
Ol’ Mohamed his own-self:
No I do not wish to make the mohammedan my enemy but then I will not submit, I will not convert. With Blue Lips w/ears being President we Dhimmi might be paying the Jizyah-not that I wish to offend Blue Lips w/ears.
Religious tolerance and shooting BACK are not mutually exclusive-in the meantime I shall avoid overly tall buildings.
Arizona State lost to the Demons Of The South so I am in a bad mood anyway. So Happy something, but not college football.
That’s all very beautiful ssnark..
Here’s my well thought out Response:
World Trade Center Bombing I
World Trade Center Bombing II (9/11/2001)
Lockerbie Bombing
Various Hijackings including one where a man in a wheel chair gets murdered & pushed off the side of an Ocean Liner.
What do these things (and I’ve left out quite a few) have in common? MUSLIMS PERPETRATORS!
More on the WA shooting:
Last line of the story, of course. And only 10k. This is how Governor Gregoire helps.
$10,000 is barely enough to get the drug dealers in the neighborhood he likely ran back to, to get off their couch, let alone pick up the phone to rat out one of their own!
On November 29th, 2009 at 3:25 pm, jangar said:
Nah, you can’t be. Ok maybe you could. But as a OEF & OIF veteran with a very pro-gun attitude and a habit of defending the Constitution of the United States of America. A tendency to question the Ditherer in Chief and his cabinet and Czars. I have been classified as ‘someone to watch’ as a potential terrorist by none other than the head of the DHS, Janet Napolitano. Besides I turned myself into them back when they asked people to turn in ‘suspicious’ people who opposed Obamacare (you may recall flag@whitehouse.gov).
As far as I can find out, Tacoma (which I assume includes Lakewood) does not have any specific gun laws other than this curiously pointless law and the need of a permit for concealed carry.
Can’t find anything on their track record on issuing concealed carry permits. Otherwise, they adhere to the general gun laws of the state.
After what-15/20 years? Resist punks, resist. Don’t be sissies.
More than likely a long-held liberal area where one would have to look really hard to find a gun. Only the police and criminals are packing.
My prediction is that the Lakewood shooter is a convicted felon using a stolen gun which would be just another example of current gun laws being enforceable. Criminals will always get guns because they are criminals and don’t care about the law. The best defense against these thugs is for responsible law-abiding citizens to also be armed.
correction:
…just another example of current gun laws being
enforceableUNenforceable.Concealed Weapons
Washington’s Firearms and Dangerous Weapons statute
Yes Washington State is a “Shall Issue state” and Bellevue, Washington is home to the Second Amendment Foundation. As much of the rest of that states says of Seattle: Only thirty minutes from the USA in any direction.
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Let your sidearm be like MasterCard: Don’t leave home without it.
I had considered using the words “true communist” and “literalist Muslim” in order to make the analogy less vulnerable to misinterpretation.
Of course there are Muslims who want to hang on to their traditions and who want to continue calling themselves Muslim, but who reject the world of submission/world of war view of Islam. That is why I do not think we should declare war on Islam.
However, a proper respect and understanding for just how hostile the philosophy as laid out in the Koran and the Hadiths is to our way of life and our personal freedoms is essential to defending ourselves.
These premises insured by SMITH & WESSON. Nuff said.
On November 29th, 2009 at 3:39 pm,
Actually in Surra 1.2 and 1.5 you’ll find a definition of an infidel as an unbeliever or someone who feigns belief in God but does not truly believe in the one true God. All of Surra 1 defines God as a single true deity. In Arabic, Allah (short for Al-Ilah or The God). An infidel, also defined therein is one who does not believe in God period.
The Koran is like our Bible and in fact incorporates much of the old and new Testament much as does the Book of Mormon. So like the Bible one can find a passage to support almost anything. Unlike Christianity, an Imam or a Mullah isn’t so much a pastoral vocation but more of a teaching one. This is in some ways worse than that of most pastors in that the personal views of the teacher are often passed to the pupils. Just as in our educational system the more radical and better read the teacher, the more credibility and capacity to spread their point of view.
Less and less likely as time passes. I tend to think that there are cycles of power and just as we in the West have enjoyed one since about the mid-17th century, the cycle is about to turn the East is once more on the ascendancy. Our goal should be to guide that ascendancy lest we be ground under the workings.
You may want to include crowds and large cities too. But I agree that returning fire and religious tolerance are not mutually exclusive.
But consider my five points above in another post.
I don’t believe we should DECLARE a war on islam, but we should fight one nonetheless. This includes both by arms and by ideology. Islam has declared and is fighting a long term war against us whether we like it or not. They are relying on our wavering belief in ourselves as well as ignorance of the true nature of islam. Muslims will only claim it is a religion of peace while they have a position of relative weakness. The “peaceful” nature of it will cease if and when Islam gains a large enough foothold, by basically infiltrating western societies through enough immigration. They fully intend to install Sharia when they can, and are called to do so by the Qu’ran. They will lie to our faces that this is all nothing but paranoia on our part, because we are infidels unworthy of the truth anyway.
It’s not only important to understand the true, evil nature of islam, but to understand, appreciate, and defend our western values–that is, stand boldly and remember what it is we are fighting FOR. So long as we have apologists and diversity nazis out there, our worthy cause is being undermined, if not betrayed, by people of both ignorance and animus, and these vermin must be stopped as well.
On November 29th, 2009 at 3:41 pm, Dan Lee said:
With one minor correction to the use of Perpetrator. The Achille Lauro hijacking was carried out by Carlos “The Jackal” Ramirez (Carlos Illyich Ramirez Sanchez) who was pretty much a terrorist for hire (I think he was the model for Tom Clancy’s Patriot Games)
Other than that, you should dig deeper. Indeed the use of terror as a weapon by Islamofascists has gone on since they were introduced to the concept by the Nazis in the 1930s and ’40s and as refined by their later patrons, the Soviets in the 1950s to 1980s and perhaps even now with Mr. Putin’s criminal bands.
Please however note that Islamofascists as the Grand Mufti Haj Amin Hussein and others including Moammar Qaddafi or even Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini are not exactly the ideal of Islamic followers though they may title themselves Abdul Allah (servant of God) their personal lives reveal quite the opposite. Yet their believers overlook these truths in favor of the misdirection that their misery is created by the West and its temptations.
Were we smarter and not so busy thumping our chests and being all Big Billy Bad A**, Me Tarzan You Jane Testosterone filled steroid imbibing Muy Macho, My whatever is bigger than yours. We’d be exploiting those pecadillos to the truly faithful and exposing them for the charlatans they are.
I’m just saying fight smart.
On November 29th, 2009 at 4:15 pm, Roland said:
Couldn’t agree with you more.
They’ve declared war on us. As a matter of fact, this is not a new war, just a new phase of a very old war.
Until we wrap our minds around that fact, we will continue to be blindsided by the Hasans and bin Ladens of the world.
Islam has been at war with EVERYONE since Mohamed put down his pen and closed the first copy of the Koran. If you don’t believe me spend a few minutes reading the Koran and any reasonable history of Islam. They divide the world into two spheres: “them” and “us.” And THEY are always allowed to wage war on those that ain’t them! It is a lot more plain than the language Hitler used in “Mein Kampf” if anyone would bother reading the Koran.
Of course, not every Muslim is willing to go as far as OBL. The problem is how to figure out which Muslims are willing and which aren’t willing and at what point each Muslim might change their mind.
It is not an insignificant challenge to sort out the murderers from the rest. The Army recently demonstrated that senior officers prefer not do so at Walter Reed and Fort Hood. I suspect before long the DHS will make a similar demonstration of their lack of discernment in one or more public places like an airport or a shopping mall or a tourist venue.
Perhaps at that point the nation will wake up and vote the socialists out of office. Perhaps not, as 9/11 demonstrated…
and who converted to Islam in prison and is carrying out jihad.
Don’t forget the killing at the recruitment center in Arkansas earlier this year.
Clearly, the writer of the text has a different understanding of God our Creator, not He who is full of mercy and grace.
I therefore judge the writer as a worshiper of a false god, not the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, Father of the Savior of the world.
These people are after our blood, and they will not stop.
Islam has fashioned for themselves a god of WAR…not of life, love, mercy and grace
ssnark said:
Unfortunately, Shariaism and Whabbism are theocratic in nature and murderously, diametrically opposed to our civilization.
But I would never advocate fighting a billion muslisms using our current rules of engagement.
WWII-style ROE’s or not at all.
OT: Anyone else notice my ad running here on Michelle’s site?
On November 29th, 2009 at 5:21 pm, jangar said:
The text is the Koran, the writer is as supposedly the writer of the Old Testament, the word of God. In fact, the God of the Koran is the God of Abraham and is a loving and jealous God. A God of mercy and vengeance. The only difference between Koran, Torah and the Bible, is that the Koran incorporates both the Torah and much of the Bible. Debate occurs when one examines the role of violence and the definitions of ‘unbeliever’ or ‘infidel’. Numberless arguments about these. Some of which produce the more radical versions of Islam.
To which my only reply can be Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Only some. Others are just ordinary folk trying to live their lives as best they can from the land, the craft of mind and hand or from other honest toil. They bleed, they feel, they love, they sorrow. Not all are Jihadis to believe that they are is folly.
I am not sure who said this but it demands clarification.
The “god” of the Koran IS NOT the God of Abraham. The Koran DOES NOT incorporate any significant portions of the Christian or Jewish scriptures. To state otherwise is to admit a terrible lack of knowledge on all three texts.
the last sentence is a bit worrisome. why let anyone who isn’t a citizen get a permit at all??
My God does not ask me to kill non-believers. Vengeance is the Lord’s. The fruit of Islam is dark and murderous. I judge the fruit I see.
Ditto.
Like how the world is today, Mohammad did not like the choices of religions of his time, so he formed his own to give reason for his ambitions.
ssnark, the reason why most of us are tired of muslims & their violent ideology, is because you’ll notice that almost every time Americans are killed in any sizable number in these attacks, they go out dancing in the streets. All we get from muslim organizations is a little obligatory “we condemn this action”. Meanwhile their koran tells them it’s ok to deceive the infidel in the act of jihad. You’re not the only one that has a koran mind you. I have one too, & it’s a violent cult.
How come these “moderates” don’t come out & protest these attacks in the streets? They are sure quick to dance in the streets in Pakistan when Americans are slaughtered by their jihadists.. There’s only three likely possibilities. Either they don’t care,they are afraid, or they approve.
None of those are acceptable to life in America, because apathy too, will lead to more violence.
I just want to add that if their excuses is that they are afraid to speak out against jihadists & muslim extremists, what does that say about islam?
Islam is another deception from Satan. He takes what is common to man and perverts it into something evil, in this case, a familiar religion.
This “religion” has taken the lives our thousands of my fellow citizens, & even innocent children who had nothing to do with any wars, or conflicts. Until I see muslims start making VERY STRONG public condemnations of these actions against innocents, I’ll never trust them again.
I used to try & understand them, & be tolerant of their views even though they were very different from mine, but that was BEFORE they started blowing up buildings & killing in the name of a false prophet..
Whoa, I’m glad I caught this.. You are sorely mistaken Sir..
The MUSLIM Youssef Magied al-Molqui & four Palestinians shot dead American Jew, Leon Klinghoffer, who was in a wheelchair, and threw his body overboard.
You should be more careful before you correct others oh great Oracle..
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/15/sprj.irq.abbas.arrested/
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/TerrorismIntl_93/5514_93.htm
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/obama_pal_edward_said_another.html
Those guys were well… VERY muslim.. I don’t know what rock you pulled that Carlos the Jackal BS out from under, but you’re WAY wrong..
Dan Lee said:
I think that is safe and fair. A true follower of Christ will attempt to share the Gospel with Muslims, but it is not required that Christians roll over and let Muslims conquer the world. Israel has been, and always shall be the thermometer of what God is doing in preparation for His second coming. Keep an eye on Israel.
Well, I have been told I have a Mata Hari aura.
I have been told I have an aura as well, but I think it had something to do with a burrito I ate.
Hey, is it still Friday? Are we in a time warp? Maybe Auburn will win this time!
Thoughts to ponder…
To whom would zeroangel give thanks to?
You mean for T-Day? He did post something at the end of the T-Day thread.
All I know is it was a tough day for him.
It seems to me that Russia and China are giving Israel (and us) to take military action against Iran. China categorically rejected sanctions on Obama’s visit and Russia’s offer to provide non-weapons grade nuclear fuel was rejected by Iran. They know that Israel will not go down without a fight under ANY circumstances and no one believes that the US will stand by and do nothing if Israel attacks Iran. Israel cannot do it alone and we will not let them go down.
The key question is: how much time do we have? Is it weeks, months or years? Baradei is suggesting that it is months since Iran already has enough fuel for two bombs. It might be only weeks.
This is going to get very tense. I expect some serious diplomatic brinksmanship. Right now, Iran clearly believes we won’t allow Israel to attack them nor that we would help them if they did. That is what has to change and I expect State will be getting involved soon. Maybe a demonstration a dramatic and scary new weapon followed by a sobering announcement from Hillary that Iran has to decide soon.
Something about visiting relatives elsewhere than home.
Who honestly believes that BHO has the gnads to act on any threat towards Israel? Any ‘human’ hope for Israel will have to come from another US administration, not this one.
Considering the newest US bomb (MOP) is not yet off the assembly line, I’d say that Iran holds the trump card. We have superior aerial capabilities, and missles, but they have the sensitive location. And we have a dud-in-chief.
Not even close to applying-discernment would be more appropriate. As the mohammedan rejects our God, Christ’s Deity, Crucifixion and Resurrection there is not really much to Judge. By there own words we know them. They are the Sons of Ishmael by blood or adoption and a burden to Issac. They who worship the moon god are no different, more numerous yes, that any other idol worshipers.
But it is the planting of bombs and flying airplanes into building that is of immediate concern.
But “Judge Not” is often used incorrectly.
It’s not about “BHO’s gonads”. You can’t reduce this situation to that level. If Israel attacks Iran, believe me, we WILL have advance warning and we WILL protect our interests in the region by striking the most important blows.
An Iran-dominated Middle East is simply NOT in the cards. The only unknown left is whether we can avoid a very messy all-out war. Time is running out. Iran needs to be made to understand on no uncertain terms. Sinking a few of their ships (in not their entire navy) could be one way. China, Russia and Europe would put a lot of pressure on Iran immediately seeing that our next move might very well be to destroy their oil facilities. They would suddenly be faced with making a quick decision on whether to launch their non-nuclear missiles that would likely get knocked down if their launch facilities aren’t already destroyed.
Iran has been buying time by bluffing into weakness and appeasement from the rest of the world. They believe they have time to develop the nuclear weapons they need to transform the Middle East without a fight. Suddenly finding themselves without a navy and with key facilities in rubble could sober them up quickly.
Nice. But do you honestly think that there is a single Democrat in charge that would have the where-with-all to actually come up with a coherent thought such as yours?
We are screwed until the next administration, and even that is a crapshoot till it gets here.
If the current administration were to show any signs of strength in the Middle East, it will come at the scolding of the man-child by someone like Sarkozy. Otherwise, I see absolutely nothing of strength until after 2012.
Obama is too busy tearing the US apart and rendering us impotent to fight and win any war.
Yes I do. Do you recall what was going on with Iraq in 1998 during l’affaire Lewinski? The “wag the dog” episode? Speaks volumes about what you should assume about Republican vs Democrat.
Saddam’s attempt to assassinate GHW Bush in Kuwait was foiled and to retaliate, the Clinton administration had asked Congress for their approval to remove Saddam and those WMDs that he had just used against the Kurds. The GOP-led Congress preferred to prosecute the impeachment and so all he got was an okay to bomb Baghdad for three days. Very importantly though, he also secured a change of official policy from one of containment to one of regime change (no one ever seems to remember that). The small-thinking Republicans were the ones who sacrificed national interests for partisan reasons in that episode.
Your assumption that Republicans are more reliable in national defense than Democrats are weaker than you think. Democrats tend to start with weak posturing but events always seem to take over that require the use of force. That is the lesson they never seem to learn. Strength is the best deterrent to war. But in the end, our threatened national interests dictate our actions regardless of which party is in power. It’s no different this time. Obama isn’t strong enough to prevent it.
You are grossly mistaken. The Koran is not an “incorporation” of the Torah and the Bible. It is a distortion of them, and has as much theological validity as my randomly cutting and pasting Biblical text would.
“the God of the Koran is the God of Abraham”
The children of Abraham probably don’t see it that way.
Obama is no Clinton either. His is an anti-American policy. In fact, I really think that his history of multi-nationalism as a child, combined with Islam, and his career in Chicago make him nothing less than a threat to our freedom and democracy.
It ain’t Friday no more….
Obama is about to deploy about 30-35,000 more troops to Afghanistan. (details Tuesday). The lefties are absolutely apoplectic. Take a tour of HuffPo and Kos and see for yourself. Obama is not a slave to the left when it comes to getting re-elected and exercising power. I believe you are underestimating the nature and limits of presidential power and of events in dictating a course of action.
Presidents are not dictators. They need followers and right now, Obama is down to a dwindling few and most of them are in the media. Increasingly, the most scathing reviews of his performance are coming from his most loyal supporters on the left. The path to success for Obama requires that he win in Afghanistan (it is after all HIS war) and prevent all-out war in the Middle East. The left doesn’t see it that way.
If Obama insists on appeasing Iran, he will soon have no reason to keep pointing out that he is no George W. Bush. He will find himself having to prove (and to his own party) that he is no Jimmy Carter. There must be many powerful Dems who are having this conversation already.
On November 29th, 2009 at 6:16 pm, WarEagle82 said:
I said the quoted phrase, and given that I’ve lived amongst them sometimes as one of them and gone to daily prayer and study with them as part of my job of defending the nation stand by the words.
Given, tone and tenor, however will drop this discussion as one cannot discuss while such tone and tenor exist. All that will happen is that one or both will feel offended and angered. This is not my intention. My intent is to try to be something like John Clum was to the Apaches of San Carlos. Another people who much of the US saw as savages in need of extermination. I think Mr. Clum was more successful.
On November 29th, 2009 at 6:59 pm, Dan Lee said:
No, I was flat out wrong. My apologies That’s what I get for not checking myself when I know better.
For my two cents I would say that the practical difference between the koran and Bible lays mainly within their method of ‘implementation’. Where ‘my’ God grants me free will – theirs…not so much.
I don’t recall that Christ ever mentioned anything about pouring hot oil down the throats of the unbelievers?
Given that a significant portion of the testimony heard by the Supreme Court, such that led to their absurd decision granting the EPA the latitude to declare CO2 a pollutant, was based upon data that is admitted to have been INTENTIONALLY destroyed by the CRU and is therefore now questionable as evidence, (and may even be grounds to bring a perjury charge against the EPA who submitted the underlying data as FACT that could be substantiated when indeed it does not even exist), can SCOTUS be prompted to revisit the decision? Just wonderin…
jangar:
My family and friends of course, as opposed to fruitless wishes to an indifferent universe.
purealchemy:
I did not say that at all, I said I had fun. Honestly, where did you get that idea?
Lefties now teach that the Pilgrims gave thanks to the
Indians, er, Native Americans during that first Thanksgiving. Some of them may even believe this silly nonsense…If you want to see someone having a tough day, watch the last 5 or 8 minutes of “Expelled” and watch Ben Stein try to keep a straight face as Richard Dawkins admits he could accept “intelligent design” as long as it was aliens who did the design and not a deity.
Then go and read “The Dawkins Delusion.”
Dawkins admits only that that would be a scientific hypothesis that is falsifiable.
He, in no way, gives any credence to the idea. “Expelled” is about as honest as Michael Moore’s movies, just from the right as opposed to the left.
Also, the Dawkins Delusion amounts to the “Courtier’s reply.” Rather than try and address Dawkins it just pretends that he doesn’t have the credentials. Weak.
I see someone hasn’t read the book or watch the clip…
It seems to be a trait many “Dawkinsions” share…
I’ve watched the clip. Moore would be proud of Stein.
As for the book, I’ve read enough of it to know that it’s all “Courtier’s reply.”
Watch the clip and see Dawkins admit that ID is “a possibility” and “intriquing” and that you “might find a signature of a designer.”
Dawkins accepts the possibility of ID as long as the designer is not a deity. Hear it in his own words! WATCH THE CLIP.
*yawn*
As I said, above, Moore would be proud. I would link an article where Dawkins describes the portions of that interview that were cut / edited but it won’t do any good.
God, Stein is a moron. Saying that intelligent aliens could have seeded lifeforms on Earth is not anything like saying that life itself springs from “Intelligent Design.” Which Dawkins says, and Stein conveniently ignores.
The point was that Dawkins is willing to believe in aliens, but finds God laughable.
Yes, that would be the point, and that Chappy’s and 0A’s “hero” is an arrogant, delusional idiot.
John:
No, Dawkins is not willing to believe in aliens and if you actually read Dawkins response and the portions of that interview that were cut or edited you would know that.
Yes, don’t believe what Dawkins SAYS ON-CAMERA!
Believe what Dawkins says he said but can’t prove! Hilarious! You gotta love this mindset.