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		<title>By: Google</title>
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		<title>By: Ed Driscoll &#187; GE Spokesman Says Don&#8217;t Pay Your Loan With GE!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Driscoll &#187; GE Spokesman Says Don&#8217;t Pay Your Loan With GE!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so, oh to be a fly on the wall if someone walks away from a mortgage with GE with a &#8220;jingle mail&#8221; to his banker &#8212; the keys to his house and a note that reads, &#8220;Hey, the MSNBC [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chief RZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chief RZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These people have no personal responsibility.  They have not been taught to be thrifty and responsible.
In fact, the other way around.  I saw it as a public school teacher--- they are taught intentional irresponsibility.  This is bare thievery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These people have no personal responsibility.  They have not been taught to be thrifty and responsible.<br />
In fact, the other way around.  I saw it as a public school teacher&#8212; they are taught intentional irresponsibility.  This is bare thievery.</p>
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		<title>By: NestingHawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>NestingHawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently, it USED TO only take one to tango, as only one gender is getting mentioned here. 
 Being embarrassed to have participated in a premature sex act is one thing, but to be ashamed of the child is something else. Pregnancy is scary and takes courage even in the best of circumstances. Those who continue to partake of education while pregnant are doing the smart thing, whether they intend to keep the child or put the child up for adoption. Chasing them out puts more people in poverty and on welfare and provides talking points for Planned Parenthood. The structure of the punishment glorified by several posters here makes it a punishment for pregnancy, not for the indiscretion itself, and that is a very bad use of shame. 

A most excellent website for pregnant women who need help:
http://www.feministsforlife.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, it USED TO only take one to tango, as only one gender is getting mentioned here.<br />
 Being embarrassed to have participated in a premature sex act is one thing, but to be ashamed of the child is something else. Pregnancy is scary and takes courage even in the best of circumstances. Those who continue to partake of education while pregnant are doing the smart thing, whether they intend to keep the child or put the child up for adoption. Chasing them out puts more people in poverty and on welfare and provides talking points for Planned Parenthood. The structure of the punishment glorified by several posters here makes it a punishment for pregnancy, not for the indiscretion itself, and that is a very bad use of shame. </p>
<p>A most excellent website for pregnant women who need help:<br />
<a href="http://www.feministsforlife.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.feministsforlife.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: cnredd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cnredd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another facilitator of a &quot;no consequences&quot; world...Just let everyone else suck up your failures and create even more &quot;toxic assets&quot; that hit the housing industry in the first place...

There USED to be a time where people on welfare felt ashamed and did what they could to get off the dole as quickly as possible...Now it&#039;s relied on with no shame whatsoever...

There USED to be a time where people who got pregnant out of wedlock felt ashamed and a family letdown...Now they proudly display their kid(s) as a trophy with no shame whatsoever... 

There USED to be a time where people felt ashamed of bankruptcy because it&#039;s an admission that you&#039;ve been irresponsible and exceeded what you could financially bear...Now it&#039;s being looked at as YOU being the &quot;victim&quot; with no shame whatsoever...

This is the same &quot;&lt;em&gt;If it feels good, do it; consequences be damned&lt;/em&gt;&quot; mentality that lies at the heart of the &quot;Liberal vs. Conservative&quot; argument...

cnredd
Political Wrinkles
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another facilitator of a &#8220;no consequences&#8221; world&#8230;Just let everyone else suck up your failures and create even more &#8220;toxic assets&#8221; that hit the housing industry in the first place&#8230;</p>
<p>There USED to be a time where people on welfare felt ashamed and did what they could to get off the dole as quickly as possible&#8230;Now it&#8217;s relied on with no shame whatsoever&#8230;</p>
<p>There USED to be a time where people who got pregnant out of wedlock felt ashamed and a family letdown&#8230;Now they proudly display their kid(s) as a trophy with no shame whatsoever&#8230; </p>
<p>There USED to be a time where people felt ashamed of bankruptcy because it&#8217;s an admission that you&#8217;ve been irresponsible and exceeded what you could financially bear&#8230;Now it&#8217;s being looked at as YOU being the &#8220;victim&#8221; with no shame whatsoever&#8230;</p>
<p>This is the same &#8220;<em>If it feels good, do it; consequences be damned</em>&#8221; mentality that lies at the heart of the &#8220;Liberal vs. Conservative&#8221; argument&#8230;</p>
<p>cnredd<br />
Political Wrinkles<br />
<a href="http://politicalwrinkles.com" rel="nofollow">http://politicalwrinkles.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lonevoyageur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lonevoyageur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stigma of default was left behind well before the current economic downturn. Look to corporate &quot;bankruptcy&quot; (that term is now almost without meaning) and endless carousel of restructurings and reorganizations. The business schools and pundits extoll the virtue of restructuring debt, abandoning pension liabilities (to a federal agency) and shifting production to factories and mills thousands of miles distant. If there is no shame in this then how can there be shame in &quot;restructuring&quot; one&#039;s debts and walking away from a house? Why is a house different from a bank loan for a business, a pension obligation or the medical insurance benefits promised to retirees?

The loss of &quot;shame&quot; is a cancer across ALL of our economy. Adam Smith&#039;s &quot;invisible hand&quot; has been amputated and the patient pronounced better for the procedure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stigma of default was left behind well before the current economic downturn. Look to corporate &#8220;bankruptcy&#8221; (that term is now almost without meaning) and endless carousel of restructurings and reorganizations. The business schools and pundits extoll the virtue of restructuring debt, abandoning pension liabilities (to a federal agency) and shifting production to factories and mills thousands of miles distant. If there is no shame in this then how can there be shame in &#8220;restructuring&#8221; one&#8217;s debts and walking away from a house? Why is a house different from a bank loan for a business, a pension obligation or the medical insurance benefits promised to retirees?</p>
<p>The loss of &#8220;shame&#8221; is a cancer across ALL of our economy. Adam Smith&#8217;s &#8220;invisible hand&#8221; has been amputated and the patient pronounced better for the procedure.</p>
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		<title>By: 24Klady</title>
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		<dc:creator>24Klady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chances are items purchased on credit cards and carried as a long term balance are sent to Goodwill long before those items are paid for.  How smart is that?

The housing market is still shaking out and it makes me ill thinking the gov&#039;t suggests giving loans to more people that can&#039;t pay for them.  How smart is that?

Our country is broke, bankrupt, and insolvent.  I solely place this at the feet of our elected congress critters.  If they&#039;d kept their nose out of so many areas of finance it would have worked itself out.  Now the entire country is hurting and like any domino effect - millions are facing tough times.

Tonynoboloney - prayers for your family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chances are items purchased on credit cards and carried as a long term balance are sent to Goodwill long before those items are paid for.  How smart is that?</p>
<p>The housing market is still shaking out and it makes me ill thinking the gov&#8217;t suggests giving loans to more people that can&#8217;t pay for them.  How smart is that?</p>
<p>Our country is broke, bankrupt, and insolvent.  I solely place this at the feet of our elected congress critters.  If they&#8217;d kept their nose out of so many areas of finance it would have worked itself out.  Now the entire country is hurting and like any domino effect &#8211; millions are facing tough times.</p>
<p>Tonynoboloney &#8211; prayers for your family.</p>
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		<title>By: graysonret</title>
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		<dc:creator>graysonret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;NONE of them are facing foreclosure&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t pay property and other taxes, and the government will &quot;foreclose&quot; you. If that doesn&#039;t happen, they can claim your place as eminent domain and turn it into an empty field, with the idea that they were going to build a business there...someday...maybe. Then there is the community &quot;association&quot;. Banks aren&#039;t the only threat to private homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>NONE of them are facing foreclosure</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t pay property and other taxes, and the government will &#8220;foreclose&#8221; you. If that doesn&#8217;t happen, they can claim your place as eminent domain and turn it into an empty field, with the idea that they were going to build a business there&#8230;someday&#8230;maybe. Then there is the community &#8220;association&#8221;. Banks aren&#8217;t the only threat to private homes.</p>
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		<title>By: corkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>corkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On November 30th, 2009 at 4:00 pm, tonynoboloney said:

I am 3 payments behind ($497. mo) in December. Any suggestions? Or should I accept that I am just a deadbeat?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

MM wasn&#039;t aiming this post at everyone that couldn&#039;t make mortgage payments.

MM aimed her post at those encouraging others to default deliberately and at those implying a borrower shouldn&#039;t feel obligated to repay borrowed capital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On November 30th, 2009 at 4:00 pm, tonynoboloney said:</p>
<p>I am 3 payments behind ($497. mo) in December. Any suggestions? Or should I accept that I am just a deadbeat?</p></blockquote>
<p>MM wasn&#8217;t aiming this post at everyone that couldn&#8217;t make mortgage payments.</p>
<p>MM aimed her post at those encouraging others to default deliberately and at those implying a borrower shouldn&#8217;t feel obligated to repay borrowed capital.</p>
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		<title>By: swede</title>
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		<dc:creator>swede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;tonynoboloney said: &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Man, I thought I was struggling. God bless, and I pray you can keep your home.

While much of what MM says here is true, perhaps it misses the larger reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>tonynoboloney said: </p></blockquote>
<p>Man, I thought I was struggling. God bless, and I pray you can keep your home.</p>
<p>While much of what MM says here is true, perhaps it misses the larger reality.</p>
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		<title>By: tonynoboloney</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonynoboloney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with many of the posters.....not everyone facing default is a deadbeat.

 Our small community in Michigan&#039;s Thumb is one of the hardest hit areas in the country.  The job loss dominoes fell throughout 2008 and extend through 2009 so far.  First to go were the small parts &quot;shops&quot; reliant on the automotive industry who had 20 to 100 employees whose beniffits were suspended; thus causing the collapse of the medical clinics and doctors offices.

Next to go was anything to do with the building/construction industry as well as realestate as there was no demand for these services. Of course the lumber retailers suffered along with any ancilory businesses.  Retail of every discription were forced to curtail hours, lay off people or close seasonally or completely.  Of course the local banks remain open but one wonders as to their stableness.

Although the local paper claims a 17%-20% unemployment rate in the county it is locally understood that a more realistic figure would be over 30% if under-employent and those who have stopped looking for jobs were included.

Some may logically assume that moving to another area of the country might be a solution.  We have 6 children 18 yrs. through 11, 5 in the local school system, we have owned our home for 18 yrs  on a 30 yr. fixed.  I am 3 payments behind ($497. mo) in December.  Any suggestions? Or should I accept that I am just a deadbeat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with many of the posters&#8230;..not everyone facing default is a deadbeat.</p>
<p> Our small community in Michigan&#8217;s Thumb is one of the hardest hit areas in the country.  The job loss dominoes fell throughout 2008 and extend through 2009 so far.  First to go were the small parts &#8220;shops&#8221; reliant on the automotive industry who had 20 to 100 employees whose beniffits were suspended; thus causing the collapse of the medical clinics and doctors offices.</p>
<p>Next to go was anything to do with the building/construction industry as well as realestate as there was no demand for these services. Of course the lumber retailers suffered along with any ancilory businesses.  Retail of every discription were forced to curtail hours, lay off people or close seasonally or completely.  Of course the local banks remain open but one wonders as to their stableness.</p>
<p>Although the local paper claims a 17%-20% unemployment rate in the county it is locally understood that a more realistic figure would be over 30% if under-employent and those who have stopped looking for jobs were included.</p>
<p>Some may logically assume that moving to another area of the country might be a solution.  We have 6 children 18 yrs. through 11, 5 in the local school system, we have owned our home for 18 yrs  on a 30 yr. fixed.  I am 3 payments behind ($497. mo) in December.  Any suggestions? Or should I accept that I am just a deadbeat?</p>
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		<title>By: conservativesRus</title>
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		<dc:creator>conservativesRus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it is completely foreign to most but you don&#039;t HAVE to borrow money to own a house (or car or boat).  There are those who scrape and save and then purchase outright.  Guess what - NONE of them are facing foreclosure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it is completely foreign to most but you don&#8217;t HAVE to borrow money to own a house (or car or boat).  There are those who scrape and save and then purchase outright.  Guess what &#8211; NONE of them are facing foreclosure.</p>
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		<title>By: tre</title>
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		<dc:creator>tre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The place where my brother and nephew work, there&#039;s a man working there that had his retirement plans ruined by the new brankruptcy law passed by President Bush. His plan was to buy all the toys he needed for bankrucptcy: boat, RV, truck, etc. Then file for bankruptcy, and own them while the bank was stuck holding the bag.
But, thanks to President Bush, that didn&#039;t happen.

We need pride in self-reliance and trying ones best, and shame in failure and in being a leech again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The place where my brother and nephew work, there&#8217;s a man working there that had his retirement plans ruined by the new brankruptcy law passed by President Bush. His plan was to buy all the toys he needed for bankrucptcy: boat, RV, truck, etc. Then file for bankruptcy, and own them while the bank was stuck holding the bag.<br />
But, thanks to President Bush, that didn&#8217;t happen.</p>
<p>We need pride in self-reliance and trying ones best, and shame in failure and in being a leech again.</p>
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		<title>By: graysonret</title>
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		<dc:creator>graysonret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Your neighbors are suffering too Michelle. Tred lightly on those that are facing this decision, not everyone in financial trouble are trying to get one over.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes.  I know 2 families that have had a disaster happen.  Now both could be out in the street.  One had $50K in the bank, this time last year, but because of loss of health insurance and needing 2 immediate operations, a trumped up criminal charge causing loss of job (later aquittal) for 2 months he is behind on everything with car repossessed. He could lose the home too.  Sad situation, but he is proud and independent. The other was loss of job and 4 kids to care for. Both don&#039;t want a government handout; just a push to get restarted. For some, it&#039;s very humilating to ask for help, especially if you have spent years helping others, as they both have been doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Your neighbors are suffering too Michelle. Tred lightly on those that are facing this decision, not everyone in financial trouble are trying to get one over.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes.  I know 2 families that have had a disaster happen.  Now both could be out in the street.  One had $50K in the bank, this time last year, but because of loss of health insurance and needing 2 immediate operations, a trumped up criminal charge causing loss of job (later aquittal) for 2 months he is behind on everything with car repossessed. He could lose the home too.  Sad situation, but he is proud and independent. The other was loss of job and 4 kids to care for. Both don&#8217;t want a government handout; just a push to get restarted. For some, it&#8217;s very humilating to ask for help, especially if you have spent years helping others, as they both have been doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dexter Alarius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dexter Alarius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all part of Liberal-think:  
Everyone gets a trophy.
Grades harm self-esteem.
Keeping score will hurt feelings.
Bench the gifted athletes so the other team doesn&#039;t feel bad.
If you work hard to be successful, it&#039;s unfair to those that don&#039;t and aren&#039;t.
Criminals are victims.
Everyone deserves more house than they can afford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all part of Liberal-think:<br />
Everyone gets a trophy.<br />
Grades harm self-esteem.<br />
Keeping score will hurt feelings.<br />
Bench the gifted athletes so the other team doesn&#8217;t feel bad.<br />
If you work hard to be successful, it&#8217;s unfair to those that don&#8217;t and aren&#8217;t.<br />
Criminals are victims.<br />
Everyone deserves more house than they can afford.</p>
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