Paul Sperry: Another spying scandal at Gitmo
When will we learn? Paul Sperry, veteran investigative journalist, Hoover Institution fellow, and author of the explosive “Muslim Mafia,” reports on yet another security-undermining scandal at Gitmo.
Must-read in the NYPost today:
A number of Arabic and Pashtu interpreters at the terror-war detention center at Guantanamo Bay are under active investigation for omitting valuable intelligence from their translations of detainee interrogations, among other security breaches. This could taint some of the evidence at the “9/11 trial” in New York and proceedings against other detainees.
Remarkably, the Pentagon never cleaned up the “mole infestation” at its highest-security facility after the FBI busted a Muslim spy ring at Gitmo in 2003.
The 2003 probe involved at least two Arabic interpreters with high-level security clearance. Senior Airman Ahmad al-Halabi, a Syrian native, and former Army linguist Ahmed Mehalba, an Egyptian native, were later convicted of stealing or mishandling classified documents.
Six years later comes a new problem with Muslim personnel who have virtually unfettered access to detainees and intelligence at Gitmo. Professional military security and intelligence officials at Gitmo did the preliminary probe, then prepared a classified summary and are now briefing top officials and members of Congress in Washington. An active FBI criminal probe is also under way.
The possible new spy ring involves several Arabic linguists, some also Egyptian and Syrian immigrants. They’re suspected of, among other things:
* Omitting valuable intelligence from their translations of interrogations.
* Slipping notes to detainees inside copies of the Koran.
* Coaching detainees to make allegations of abuse against interrogators.
* Meeting with suspects on the terror watchlist while back in the United States.
Officials say some of the suspected “dirty” linguists — who met privately in a locked mosque at Gitmo — have had access to 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed and other high-value al Qaeda detainees.
“Three years of investigations have revealed the presence of pro-jihad/anti-Western activities among the civilian-contractor and military-linguist population serving Joint Task Force Guantanamo,” states a copy of a classified Gitmo briefing, prepared in May for the FBI, CIA and Congress’ intelligence committees.
CAIR, you won’t be surprised to learn, sued “Muslim Mafia” co-author David Gaubatz and demanded that documents obtained by his son (who worked undercover at CAIR) be returned. Late last week, a judge ordered the documents returned — but the FBI intervened and now wants the docs:
FBI agents swooped in last night on attorneys representing the co-author of the top-selling controversial book, Muslim Mafia, as they prepared to comply with a federal court order to return documents obtained from the Council on American-Islamic Relations in an independent undercover operation.
FBI agents, who served a warrant at a Washington, D.C., law office, want to see the thousands of pages of documents and audio and video recordings that P. David Gaubatz, and his son, Chris Gaubatz, gathered in a daring undercover penetration of CAIR where Chris Gaubatz posed as an unpaid intern. The material appears in Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that’s Conspiring to Islamize America, which the elder Gaubatz co-authored with investigative journalist Paul Sperry.
“Obviously, we were prepared to honor the court order,” said Joseph Farah, chief executive officer of WND and its subsidiary, WND Books, who has been raising money for the defense. “Now we will have to confer with the attorneys to determine what happens next. Which takes precedence – a federal court order or an FBI warrant? … Personally, I would like to see these papers in the hands of trained FBI investigators. The revelations raised about CAIR in Muslim Mafia have clearly piqued the agency’s interest.”
…CAIR–whose litigious history includes suing American citizens for reporting suspicious activity on a commercial flight–claimed the material recovered in the investigation was obtained without consent or stolen by Chris Gaubatz. As an unpaid intern, Chris was frequently tasked with shredder duty. Realizing the sensitive nature of the information, he salvaged it instead.
Garbus said Americans have an interest in seeing the CAIR documents, because they are relevant to federal law enforcement officials’ concerns about the group’s ties to terrorist operatives that threaten the nation’s security.
“The more information you have, the better able you are to form a judgment about the organization,” he said.
This isn’t the first time the FBI has turned a close eye on CAIR. It cut off ties to the organization, which lauds itself as a Muslim civil-rights group, in January after CAIR was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation case in Texas, the largest terrorism-finance case in U.S. history.
Related: Frank Gaffney has much more on CAIR at BigGovernment.com. See the IRS and CAIR for the latest.
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When will our government recognize that CAIR is an organization supporting terrorism?
I hope at least by January 2013.
Not going to happen JP. Not as long as we have an administration that’s more concerned with having a good time than actually paying attention to national security.
I own “Infiltration” and “Muslim Mafia”, and YOU should too!
I’m a lover of following the Constitution. So is Andrew Napolitano. You also should read this:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-napolitano29-2009nov29,0,3388576,print.story
It won’t make anyone here happy. It did not make me happy, but he is Correct.
I guess if we really believe in the Rule of Law, then it has to apply at all times. Something the “R” and “D” Jersey’s can’t comprehend.
Scan and publish all of the docs. They should be exposed to the light of day.
Huh? My God in heaven….
ACLU workers, or ACORN, or SEIU. Take your pick.
They all fit the same profile. We are covered up in them.
In an earlier day, these traitors would have had a quick military trial and then summarily executed for treason.
There are some acts against our country that cannot be tolerated in the name of political correctness and justice as defined by the ACLU.
Bush never really got it either. He is never fully understood the threat he initially warned us against. I guess he “misunderestimated” that too.
The major difference between Bush and Obama will turn out to be that Bush didn’t recognize the true nature and scope of the threat whereas Obama thinks Bush is the threat.
Of course, we now understand how Major Hasan remained free to plot and plan within the ranks of the Army for so long…
Here is the problem in a nut shell when giving enemy combatants a trial in US courts. They are treated as US citizens and given rights that judges will uphold no matter the evidence. Case in point; this judge. With our system of loop-holes granting the removal of evidence, there will be NO convictions. Terrorists will be freed and when they attack again, there is NO accountability on the part of the participants in the loop-hole business.
MARK MY WORDS. There will be no convictions in the courts.
CAIR, no doubt, has ties to radical Islam. One person, a judge, can undermine any attempt to bring them to justice. This same type of person will throw out all evidence in a terrorist’s trial for any reason. We need this?
Obviously these documents are damning and need to be investigated to protect the citizens of THIS country. The rule of law was NOT designed to protect criminals or terrorist organizations but has become their tool for such a purpose. Sad, really.
Good=bad
Bad=good
Time is drawing close my friends.
No, Napolitano is not a “lover” of the constitution. He is a whore of left-wing ideology and will gladly twist the constitution to further his own ends which are to usurp and destroy the limited government that the constitution created.
The constitution nowhere describes what a “declaration of war” must say. Clearly the acts passed by Congress prior the actions in the Middle East can be considered a declaration of war. And only a dissembling idiot would attempt to equate the “war” on drugs with the war we now wage against these fanatics.
Surely you recognize that…
when the rule of law breaks down, and the common man feels he can’t get a fair deal, he likely kicks over the table and starts blasting at the dealer. we are seeing more and more court room violence, and lawyers and judges need to start looking at the root cause of these problems. JUSTICE IN AMERICA IS DEFINED IN DOLLARS AND AGENDAS. LADY JUSTICE NO LONGER HAS A BLINDFOLD, BUT NOW HAS A HAND OUT WITH A DEFINITE AGENDA. ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE NO LONGER ILLEGAL, BUT RATHER A NEW VOTING BLOCK TO BE COURTED. ACORN IS NOT A CORRUPT ORGANIZATION, BUT AN ARM OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY SPECIALIZING IN GET OUT THE VOTE ACTIVITIES. CAIR IS NOT A TERRORIST SUPPORTING ORGANIZATION OF SPIES, BUT RATHER IS THE FOX GUARDING THE HENHOUSE.
Well said and spot on the truth.
I would not trust a muslim on ANYTHING. They have proven themselves untrustworthy time after time.
When it comes to their religion, they will lie to protect it before anything else.
Simple.
War Eagle 82:
The constitution nowhere describes what a “declaration of war” must say.
Yes, it says “declaration of war” what it does not say is “Resolution.”
Napolitano is a patriot to the Constitution, certainly not a leftist.
I’ve read The Constitution in Exile and am now Reading A Nation of Sheep, which certainly would describe War Eagle.
WarEagle82 said:
No, Napolitano is not a “lover” of the constitution. He is a whore of left-wing ideology and will gladly twist the constitution to further his own ends which are to usurp and destroy the limited government that the constitution created.
Yes, great writing, you must enjoy Fiction. A Bush Supporter, no doubt. Well he sure was for Limited Government now wasn’t he.
Another Knee Jerk reaction by a Jersey Supporter.
If you actually believed what you wrote, Then your misinformed.
Only the Constitution didn’t say that, stevevvs. You did. Are you now equating your thoughts and posts as authoritative when it comes to the constitution? If so, then you clearly don’t understand what you claim to understand.
One more time. The Constitution does not define precisely how war may be declared nor what constitutes a declaration of war nor precisely how a declaration of war must or must not be worded.
If you can find that article in the text please post it.
War Eagle 82:
And only a dissembling idiot would attempt to equate the “war” on drugs with the war we now wage against these fanatics.
“War On Terror”??? Terror is a tactic. We can’t even name the Enemy in this “War”
Simple Solution for both Jerseys: Get A Declaration of War!
It’s a shame what Government Schools produce.
If & when the Fourth Estate behaves like it should.
May be, there is hope (real unlike the O’s spin) that New Media is getting there fast.
Congrats MM, for leading the way!
Stevevvs,
I am a supporter of the Constitution Party. If you had been around long enough to read anything but your own posts you might have know that…
Learn something before shooting your mouth off it that is possible in your case.
CAIR does not just have ties to radical Islam, my friend. They are a front group for the Muslim Brotherhood (they assassinated Sadat among other things), an Egyptian terror organization that predates al Quaida, Hamas, Hezballah, et al. The function of CAIR is to appear to be a civil rights org like other lib groups but actually is to provide a PR shield for muslim war activity within the USA.
CAIR doesn’t have ties to radical Islam.
CAIR IS RADICAL ISLAM ALL DRESSED UP NICE RIGHT IN OUR BACK YARD!
This isn’t as off-topic as it may seem at first but it is beginning to look like the White House is now just a prop for GE/NBC.
It looks like the WH gate-crashers were invited. Was the Team Obama in on the stunt and got busted?
War Resolution????
The Constitution does not define precisely how war may be declared nor what constitutes a declaration of war nor precisely how a declaration of war must or must not be worded.
If you can find that article in the text please post it.
Me: It’s silent on War Resolutions, sorry, it’s the facts….
WarEagle82 said:
Stevevvs,
I am a supporter of the Constitution Party. If you had been around long enough to read anything but your own posts you might have know that…
Learn something before shooting your mouth off it that is possible in your case.
Me: I voted for Chuck Baldwin.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php#Foreign%20Policy
See what they say, Mr. War Eagle.
Learn something before shooting your mouth off it that is possible in your case.
Me; Right back at ya!
Well, sadly, I must get read to go to work, take care. You might want to see what Chuck Balwin thinks of War Resolutions, since your so well versed on the Constitution Party.
http://libertydefenseleague.com/liberty/
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwina.htm
Take Care.
This is EXACTLY why we should not be using natives of Msulim nations to act as translators.
No, stevevvs, you miss the point again. A “declaration of war” is not defined within the text of the Constitution.
I agree that
I see no evidence that our current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are unconstitutional. I therefore do not agree that either point applies to the current conflicts.
You see, I don’t wear a particular “jersey.” I am an independent conservative. And I support the Constitution Party and I voted for Chuck Baldwin. But I don’t necessarily agree with every point they make in their platform. I don’t have to because I am an American…
And again, find the Article and Section of the US Constitution that definitively defines “declaration of war.” You can’t because it isn’t in there.
While I normally wouldn’t do this, the set-up is too great not to make a point.
stevevvs: You are right about one thing – it is a shame. Please go back to elementary school to grasp the difference between your and you’re.
Back on topic, if we know that key evidence necessary to convict KSM will be thrown out for being tainted, couldn’t Congress lean on the DOJ to reverse its decision to have a show trial and send KSM back to GITMO to await a military tribunal? Is this decision chiseled in stone?
Well, I am sure once the DoJ bungles the case against KSM that no one in the administration or any of the left-wing nut jobs who support this move would object to “double jeopardy” or a “kangaroo court” conducted by the military. They are all reasonable people, after all…
Spelling happens. The nature of a blog goes fast and sometimes there’s typos. We forgive each other for mistakes here because its gracious and because we all make them sometimes.
Back on topic: Doesn’t the military send its own people to langauge school? What are these people doing in Gitmo to begin with?
Some years ago, there were news reports on how the US government turned down applications from Sephardic Jews to be Arabic translators, despite a shortage of translators and their previous work in translation. Why doesn’t our government want non-Muslim Arabic translators? This indicates infiltration at very high levels.
Something like 65% of Arab Americans are Christians, with another 10% being Jews. We don’t need to hire Muslims as translators. I wish religion didn’t matter in this conflict, but this conflict is ALL ABOUT RELIGION. (And if you disagree with me, ask Hasan.)
Clearly we need more of our own linguists rather than rely on contract workers whose loyalties are more than suspect.
Unfortunately, the Army seems determined to kick many qualified Arab speakers out.
Check that. The Army doesn’t kick them out. They have to follow policy. Our lawmakers do.
Correct.
to paraphrase an old saying, it is a fight which we did not start, but which we must finish…the way Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were finished.
What is becoming clear is how treating our enemies with kid gloves puts us at a distinct disadvantage. I don’t give a tinker’s damn about their “rights.” If they are not citizens they are spies. Shoot them or let someone with the stones do it for you. I work cheaply.
This is a war between the Muslims and everyone else. The only question that remains is when will we accept the challenge and get on with the job. I do not advocate simply “kill ‘em all…” unless they directly confront us on the field of battle. I advocate getting them the hell out of our country. Let them practice their religion in those backwater countries they infest and see how that works out for them. Why should they have access to the advances of modern life they so badly want to destroy? They are breeding like cockroaches and instead of having to deal with their own population issues, they export the problem to other nations. Make them reform or die out.
Learning a language to the level of being a simultaneous translator is not a simple task and it is not quick. And Arabic, Urdu, Pashto and other languages spoken in the region are not exactly simple to pick up either.
Trying to translate on a battlefield or prison during an interrogation might require a bit of time to development suitable proficiency. Again, “oops” is not something you want to hear in these situations.
What all to many people are now discovering is that Muslim sympathies run deeper than they thought. For example, as I was discussing career options with one of my students several years ago, (after 9/11) he mentioned that he was fluent in Urdu and Pushto and that he could make an enormous salary if he took a job as a translator with a defense contractor.
The young man had been born in America of immigrant parents. As far as I know, he had never visited the country where his parents were born. He was a Muslim. And, therefore, he did not want to take this career path as it might involve “spying” on other Muslims.
There was a clear distinction in his mind between his Muslim identity and his American identity. And he was admittedly more Muslim than American.
This is not necessarily true for every Muslim I have met. But nobody can say for whom it is and isn’t true and at what point the Muslim may change his mind. And clearly the government and military don’t know how to discern this point any more objectively than anyone else.
We’ll set aside the obvious Constitutional issues and I’ll simply ask what to do then with the 35% of Muslims that are native born?
Potatos: Pealed
Shaved: Check
One Spare Minute!
Lew Rockwell from the Mises Institute with The Judge:
http://freedomwatchonfox.com/
The Judge is a Libertarian, and a good one.
Work to do, Take Care.
Anyone else smell another steaming pile of PC here?
Pogo got it wrong. We have met the enemy, and he is PC.
Well, we could start by allowing them to renounce their American citizenship, which far too few seem to hold in very high regard any way, and then offering them the choice between self-deportation or trial for treason.
You, of course, are welcome to self-deport too…
Personally, I would not peel and shave my potatoes. One or the other should be sufficient for most applications…
So you obviously don’t care about the First, Fifth or Sixth Amendment. Any others you care to throw under the bus?
This may all become moot if the New York prosecution is allowed. The unofficial policy must then become ‘Take No Prisoners’. Summary field interrogation using butt stroke, summary execution using the other end of the weapon.
No, I’m shocked – you mean, no way!
Dearborn should be part of Canada.
The trouble with using translators for more difficult to learn languages like Arabic is that these languages are very hard for those not born into them to learn to a colloquial level.
Although we have our own military linguist training through the Defense Language Institute, it doesn’t produce translator or interrogator-level linguists. I went there twice (French & Japanese), and in both instances I came out with a grasp of the fundamentals but not much more. When I lived in Japan, even after a year spent at DLI and graduating with honors I could barely handle basic conversations at first.
Even after living there for more than three years, I still wasn’t at what I’d call a translator/interrogator-level of proficiency: if the locals didn’t want me following too closely on what they were saying, all they had to do was lace their speech with a lot of idiomatic expressions and slang terms or switch to a local dialect like “Osaka-ben” to leave me choking in the dust.
Bottom line: if you’re seeking good interrogations/translations of hostile subjects speaking an “exotic” language, you need native speakers.
And as we are learning, if you find that some of our native-speakers are less-than-reliable, the fall-back will probably need to be in the form of multiple translators operating independently, then cross-checking their work against one another.
Stupid, ignorant Chappy,
Nothing in the US Constitution prevents anyone from renouncing their citizenship…
Like I said, you are free to leave too. Though I assume someone of your ilk is more apt to flee to Cuba or Venezuela than the Middle East. Say “hello” to your commie friends, er, fraternal socialist brothers, when you get there.
Stupid, ignorant WE82. You said they HAD to either self deport or face trial for treason. That violates, at the very least, three Amendments.
Pathetic, moronic Chappy,
Once again you demonstrate your utter lack of reading comprehension skills.
I could offer you a choice to stop saying pathetic, moronic things but that would require you to cease and desist all posts. So, in that sense, it is not really a choice at all because you have demonstrated that you simply cannot stop saying such things…
So, is Chappy more of of Fidel, Hugo or Che kind of Marxist? I am guessing Che…
And once again, you demonstrate your obliviousness to the fact your very words:
are there for everyone to see. Seriously, you better save whatever little brain function you may still possess on remembering to breath, lest you keel over and suffocate. We wouldn’t want that.
Like I said, Chappy, reading comprehension, logic and thought just aren’t your strong suits.
I swear your motto should be “cogito cogito ergo cogito sum.”
I am now pretty sure you are a Che kind of guy but with out the brains. Say “hello” to the banditos in Bolivia for me…
OK, here’s what I don’t understand. With the CIA’s $30 billion-something budget, can’t they [i]train[/i] some normal (well, above-normal in intelligence, but normal in attitudes), patriotic people to learn Arabic? If we can crack codes, why can’t we crack a language? Do we really have to rely on foreigners with questionable loyalties?
Yet you continually fail to make any sort of case as to why. I suppose failure is a recurring motif in your life, though, isn’t it?
To add to your “see something, SAY something” archives:
Old NFO on threatening members of the Religion of Peace on a flight from Atlanta to Houston, and a Chaplain’s account of the delayed flight.
Semper Fi’
DM
Yes, Chappy, observing your failures is becoming a recurring motif in my life. It provides a diminishing marginal utility though.
There is no reason to point out the obvious which you continually overlook.
We need the CIA to train a translator for Chappy, who only speaks MORON and LEFTY. No wonder you are incomprehensible…
Blackstone,
As has been pointed out several times previously, it is a matter of the time required to train a translator to the appropriate level. It slows down the first 14 years of operations if it takes 15 years to train a translator…
I have lived in four different countries (not counting the USA) and traveled to at least 20 others. While I can pick up some language skill relatively quickly I was not able to serve as a simultaneous translator/interpreter even after 3 or 4 years in-country. And if the bad guys are shooting in your direction it supposedly complicates the heck out of everything.
Ahh…the old “I know you are, but what am I” comeback. Weak. I thought I taught you better, Grasshopper.
Believe me, there is nothing obvious about your addled, self-contradictory posts. It is truly an exercise to attempt to glean just how someone with your particular pathology would approach things, like logic and definitions that normal people grasp, and then use these assumptions to try to reverse engineer your (and I use this next term generously) “thought pattern” into some semblance of a coherent, if not blindingly stupid, point.
And now the marginal utility has reached 0.
Like I said, your motto must be “cogito cogito ergo cogito sum.”
Run off now and abuse some small furry woodland creatures as you are prone to do and leave the adults alone to talk…
Oh please oh please oh please don’t tell me this means you are done commenting on my posts. I couldn’t take that kind of loss.
Maybe the adults could discuss why the Army has had to discharge hundreds of competent linguists, you know…the ones that could have been doing this instead of hired hands, because people like you think it is icky for two guys to kiss.
Yes, Chappy, in your world, all qualified linguists have been discharged from the military because they are homosexual.
The marginal utility is now negative.
Never said that, idiot. However, it is indisputable fact (a concept that may be foreign to you) that hundreds have been discharged under DADT. I even provided a source to back it up. I know the idea of “backing up an assertion” is foreign to you, so let me walk you through the steps:
1. Find a source that states what you are claiming and at least has a sembance of validity. For example, I found a GAO report.
2. Post that source. As I did above.
In any case, I guess winning the war on terror is only important so long as it doesn’t interfere with your ability to hate on the homos.
Gee, Chappy, I don’t hate homosexuals. I support several groups that help homosexuals turn in to normal, healthy people.
What prevented the army from contracting with those gay linguists instead?
Nothing to say about the substance? Want to admit that what is happening with interpreters at Gitmo is a direct result of your stupid, provincial attitudes toward gays?
Yeah. No doubt those people that were just fired by the Army for something totally irrelevant to their ability to do their job are just itching to work with them as a contractor.
Or maybe the Army has regulations about contracting with gay people. I wouldn’t be suprised.
Uh, I think if you are discharged under DADT then you get a general discharge. It would certainly be more difficult to get a security clearance with a less-than-honorable discharge.
But reality doesn’t matter to leftard morons like Chappy.
Are you so stupid you can’t even understand when you are tangentially agreeing with me i.e., they wouldn’t be able to work as contractors.
Like I said…addled and self contradictory.
And again, no comment on how your backwoods homophobia is hurting us in the war on terror.
Would the discharged gays cut off their noses to spite their faces? Possibly some would. But they would be making considerably better bread from Uncle Sam’s rules, so I doubt very many of them would go that way.
If the Army has regulations against contracting with gay people, that would be intolerance. And pretty stupid, too, in a time of war.
Not having them in the army is just lack of acceptance. Big deal.
If that is the way it is, then it is pretty darned stupid in this specific kind of situation, and it is probably the thing that needs to be fixed.
Huh? They were just told to f*** off because of who they are and now you want them to play nice? Please.
Looking beyond your somewhat confusing definitions of intolerance and acceptance, it is a big freaking deal when we have to then contract with foreign contractors to do our interpreting. How can you not see that?
Uh, I was simply noting that your “guess” was in fact correct. Sometimes even morons like you can be accidentally correct though you most often don’t know it or understand why. It is not exactly like a broken watch being right twice a day but I won’t confuse you with “analogies” and stuff like that.
But that you apparently now begin to recognize how addled and self-contradictory you are may be a good thing…
By noting that reality doesn’t matter to me? Again, your thought process is like some freaking sudoku puzzle that has four 7s in one column. You have to first deconstruct what the idiot puzzle maker thought the rules of the game are before you can even begin to solve it.
I know of no rules that prevent contractors, military or otherwise, from hiring homosexuals. There were issues with getting security clearances if you are homosexual, or a drug user or an ambulance-chasing, Marxist lawyer like Chappy. The failure to obtain a clearance may limit your assignment to certain tasks requiring access to classified information like the records of interrogation of prisoners…
That’s just super, sport. But why should we fire them in the first place and then have to hope that they will be kind enough to grace us with their skills after we spat on them?
No. I expect that most of them will do what is in their best interests. That is what people generally do, even when offended ….. which is pretty dumb to start with since they knew the rules going in.
Uh …. it’s not a big deal if we contract with the discharged guys instead. Which is what I was talking about.
You’ve obviously got a emotional dog in this fight, so I’ll leave you guys to your quarreling.
Yes, Chappy, that you accidentally stumbled into some “truth” does not indicate you have any significant grasp on reality. If you were properly taking all your meds you would be more likely to comprehend that…
Oh, and you should probably just try the Sudoku puzzles with 4 boxes instead of 9 until you recover from your malady, assuming you ever will…
Roland,
Expecting reasoned, rational discourse from Chappy is, well, unreasonable. He is pretty obviously inebriated again. A bit later than normal but the same nasty, mean drunk as usual…
It is absolutely inane to think that discharged service members, even if they could get clearance, would want to turn around and work for the people that just fired them. And I guarantee the army doesn’t pay as much for a translator as a law firm or Fortune 500 company would. So you can forget the notion of self interest.
It is absolutely idiotic to think that the national security of America depends on the services of the 1.5% of people in this nation who are homosexual. Which is precisely why Chappy believes it…
Yup. The only one here who thinks that firing soldiers with critical language skills, which leads directly to hiring contractors who are working against US interest, for something totally unrelated to their ability to perform…is the unreasoned one.
Do you just ever sit slack jawed, Grasshopper, and marvel at depth of your idiocy?
Yep, Chappy is drunk…
And he is hiding behind the skirts of all those people discharged under DADT…
Chappy must be one heck of a manly dude!
If only we had more homosexuals in uniform Chappy would feel better when Al-Qaeda bombed his favorite Sbarro pizza joint. Maybe Chappy could get “The Village People” to enlist…
Whatever the percentage, linguists have been disproportionately hit by DADT, which you would know if you read anything beyond your Archie comics. For every one of those linguists fired, we have to hire someone that may or may not have our interests in mind when translating. The result is right up on top of the page, but you are too simple or too disingenuous to put two and two together. A buffoon like you would rather point that gun to his temple and pull that trigger and hope the bullet is in another chamber. All because you hold on to some demented beliefs.
Chappy,
You hold my beliefs to be “demented.” I am very certain the majority of my beliefs are much closer to the men who founded this great nation than your own such beliefs. Your beliefs are obviously much closer to Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro and Chavez.
Who is “demented?” I’ll leave that up to everyone else to figure out…
Oh, our founders had some demented beliefs as well, as you should know.
But at least they believed in the First, Fifth and Sixth Amendments. Which is at least three better than you.
Right, Chappy, right. You are a Marxist loon but I am the threat to America and liberty. I think you really believe that, too. And that should convince everyone else of who is “demented.”
Thanks for just being yourself today.
Half right, so I actually have to give you and A for effort.
You want to pass laws in direct violation of the Free Exercise clause, the Due Process clause, and the Sixth Amendment right to trial.
That makes you a threat to America and liberty. And a moron.
Notwithstanding that I never said any of those things, and after several hours you can’t figure that out, we all know how liberty and freedom have flourished in each of the Marxist paradises…
Have a great day, you Marxist, ambulance-chasing idiot! Have fun oppressing the proletariat and peasants!
Yes, you did.
Don’t blame me because you are too dense to understand the consequences of your statements.
Again, you attribute statements to me that I didn’t make. You are factually wrong but Marxists don’t care about facts of liberty…
You are kidding, right? You are denying you made the statement I quoted from you, even though anyone can search for your name and see you made it. Seriously, if you are that detached from reality, you need professional help.
Wow. Just… wow.
Isn’t it racist or homophobic or something of you to claim that a disproportional number of Arabic, Urdu, and Pashto speakers are homosexual?
We are stuck on stupid: Our Federal Government obstinately REFUSES to hire Jews or Christians trained in these languages, insisting instead on hiring exclusively Muslims for these positions.
I guess not enough of the Jewish or Christian linguists are homosexual according to Chappy’s theory so that evidently is the root cause of the failure to hire them.
Yes, Chappy, you moron. You got it wrong. But you are too stupid to realize it and too arrogant to care…