Tiger Woods is an idiot

By Michelle Malkin  •  December 2, 2009 11:03 AM

That is all.

If you feel compelled to weigh in on his admission of “transgressions” and plea for privacy (shoulda thought about that before committing the transgressions against your beautiful wife/mother of your children, don’t you think, Tiger?), have at it.

Takeaway quote from his press release: “Personal sins should not require press releases.”

Well. You can’t be one of the most famous celebrities in the world, carry on multiple affairs with fame-hungry women, cheat on your gorgeous, dedicated wife with whom you have had two gorgeous children (whom you have posed with for public photos), and expect to be left alone.

Are tabloids out of control? Sure. But Tiger needs to man up and stop whining about the press. Like it or not, his bad judgment is news.

Cone of Shame Award for you!

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Ugh.

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  1. #101
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 3:48 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I always assumed that he cheated. He’s always on the road in exotic locations with beautiful people around him.

    Bernie Madoff – I always assumed that he stole. He’s always on the road in exotic locations with rich people with checkbooks around him.

  2. #102
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 3:53 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    I blame Jimmah Carter! Ever since he lusted in his heart, people have been acting on those impulses!

  3. #103
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 3:56 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    So Tiger is like Madoff for having sex outside of marriage?

    OK. Sanity rules here.

    Tiger never took anything from anyone. As I said, his only mistake was getting married.

  4. #104
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:01 pm, lonewolf said:

    Not to defend Tiger’s alleged/admitted “transgressions” but I think he should just emulate the late Edsel Ford who, after a domestic dustup, quipped, “Never complain, never explain,”
    It is none of our business.

  5. #105
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:19 pm, Freddy said:

    I sure hope MR Malkin reads the articles that Michelle puts out when some dumb huddy falls off the wagon.

    Cause if HE EVER falls off the wagon, she gonna go all Lorena on him!

    And that will no doubt be the end of this blog. Well, at least the subject of it.

  6. #106
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:19 pm, Dan Lee said:

    There’s no good excuse for cheating on your spouse. If you aren’t able to fix your problems after much hard work of the relationship, you should get out of the marriage honorably. Not try to “have your cake & eat it too” as they say

    The question I have though, is whereas affairs happen everyday, why should Woods be singled out for scrutiny? I think that’s a fair question.. It’s not a crime to be a highly skilled golfer. It’s egregious to cheat on your spouse, but how does the mere presence of fame and an affair justify an intrusion into personal matters by the media?

    He is not in a place of leadership, & as another has commented, has not taken anything from anyone who didn’t want to give it. (I.E. his fans)

    Personally I think it should be up to his fans to decide whether this will affect their viewership or purchasing of his career related products. All I’m saying is that the story has been reported, he’s told the truth, & I think it’s fair to let it go. It will not appear on my little blog, because I think we have more important things to concentrate on. That’s not a slam on Michelle Malkin.. She should be able to comment on whatever she wants, & have her own opinion.

    Her opinion is certainly not out of left field on this. This is just my opinion on the media coverage in general. It’s over & done with, & people should let Woods Family figure it out from here.

  7. #107
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:21 pm, emjem24 said:

    It takes a strong man to be faithful to his wife and continue to fight for and improve his marriage. As someone who has been married longer than Tiger (10 years), my husband and I have had our ups and downs. I often wonder if celebrity makes it more problematic to address problems and challenges in one’s marriage than it would be if you were just some Average Joe.

    It’s too easy for many, celebrity and non-celebrity, to lose themselves in the moment and not think of the consequences of tomorrow. If he had groupies or women lining up to be his extra on the side, Tiger should have known that he has more public exposure which limits the amount of privacy he feels he’s entitled to. I’m not the least sympathetic since I’ve witnessed a number of marriages in both my family and my husband’s family implode because of affairs.

    Maybe it’s just me but I think people have gotten weaker. Our society has gotten weaker. Many don’t view marriage as a life-long commitment rather an in-the-moment arrangement, vis a vis common law marriages and living together.

    If you don’t have the willpower to stick it out, then don’t commit yourself and con your spouse into believing you. Once you get children involved, you’re not just hurting yourself or your spouse, you’re hurting your kids too. :sad:

  8. #108
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:25 pm, rworks said:

    While I completely agree that Tiger Woods is a cad, a scoundrel, an immoral, unethical SOB for sleeping around on his wife, I completely disagree that we “need to know” all about it.

    What we need to do is waste less time on one man’s personal foibles and spend more time on issues that affect all of us.

    We don’t “need to know” all about Woods’ affairs.

    We DO “need to know” what the health care “reform” bill will have in it.

    We DO “need to know” what kind of backroom deals Obuma is making with our enemies.

    Get the picture?

  9. #109
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:30 pm, Dan Lee said:

    emjem24,

    You are right.. I’ve been a musician all my life, playing in bands for most of it. I’ve been married for 21 years, & never touched another woman in any inappropriate way (I.E. other than hugs from/for friends ect.)

    Has that always been easy? Honestly no.. There have been women that have proposed some things to me that I thought only happened in movies, just because I was in a band.. It happened at times when my wife & I had some issues, & the devil was right there to try & tempt me. Temptation is painful.. Fortunately for me, God was there to use my healthy fear of him to keep me out of trouble.. That’s being straight up & honest as a man. Of course there was the fact that even in the worst times we’d had together, deep down I knew I loved my wife, my best friend, more than any other person on earth.

    But yes, the temptation is a real problem in our society today. Everything has been so sexualized, sometimes people make YOU feel like the freak if you don’t give in.

    You just have to stay in your faith, & believe that God knows what’s best for you. Humans don’t do well making those decisions alone. I think history has proven that..

  10. #110
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:36 pm, William said:

    I don’t know what Tiger Wood’s wife’s personality is like, but she is definitely a beautiful woman who does appear to truly love him.

    For that alone he was/is a lucky man.

    Why would he go and blow such a boon, such a prize, such a wonderful situation in his life, a situation which is actually more wonderful and more valuable than his golf game and career?

    When I heard the story of his wife breaking the back window of the SUV in order to extract him from the car, I knew she did NOT do so for that reason, but that she was probably pissed off at him and attacking him, or the car, with the golf club. If the side doors are intact, and they were, there is no need, or no way, that a person would smash in the rear window, and no way they could even get an adult out of a car through the rear window.

    Nice screw up, Tiger!

    Tiger could also have boycotted the Dubai Golf Tournament which will not admit any Israel Jews. They do the same with other evens, such as tennis, banning even the entry of Israeli Jews.

    With such blatant bigotry, sports figures such as Tiger would do a great service by making a statement that, “I refuse to participate in an event which oozes such blatant bigotry and anti-Semitism. If this ban is not lifted, and Jews allowed to compete, then I will not participate, and I urge others to follow.

    I don’t know what his wife’s personality is like, but she is definitely a beautiful woman and who does appear to truly love him.

    For that alone he was/is a lucky man.

    Why would he go and blow such a boon, such a prize, such a wonderful situation in his life, a situation which is actually more wonderful and more valuable than his golf game and career?

    When I heard the story of his wife breaking the back window of the SUV in order to extract him from the car, I knew she did NOT do so for that reason, but that she was probably pissed off at him and attacking him, or the car, with the golf club. If the side doors are intact, and they were, there is no need, or no way, that a person would smash in the rear window, and no way they could even get an adult out of a car through the rear window.

    Nice screw up, Tiger!

    Tiger could also have boycotted the Dubai Golf Tournament which will not admit any Israel Jews. They do the same with other evens, such as tennis, banning even the entry of Israeli Jews.

    With such blatant bigotry, sports figures such as Tiger would do a great service by making a statement that “I refuse to participate in an event which oozes such blatant bigotry and anti-Semitism. If this ban is not lifted, and Jews allowed to compete, then I will not participate, and I urge others to follow.”

    The same could be performed by tennis pros and others who would take a stand against Muslim anti-Semitism and bigotry in Arab states which hold major tournaments and events which take place in the United Arab Emrites, Dubai, and other gulf states..

    I hate how these celebrities toot their horn here in the USA about how righteous they are, supporting slaughtering babies via induced abortion, supporting the normalization of deviant behavior and sexual disorder, such as homosexual behavior, blow their horn REAL LOUD about some phony “right” or even their fake concern for “The Environment,” wildlife, “Global Warming,” and so on, and even their concern for poor, peace loving Muslims, but they cannot bring themselves to take a stand against such arrogance, anti-Semitism, and oppression as that in the mainly Muslim/Arab states.

    The same could be performed by tennis pros and others who would take a stand against Muslim anti-Semitism and bigotry in Arab states which hold major tournaments and events.

    Come on, loudmouthed, self righteous, arrogant, overpaid celebrity Entertainers and athletes! Take a stand.

    Regarding Tiger Woods and his wife, come on, Tiger. Make nice with your wife. Do anything and everything you can to make it up to her and gain her good graces, and ensure that you NEVER treat her like that again!

  11. #111
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:36 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Wow where to start

    Men Cheat — Women Cheat

    Sometimes for different reasons, sometimes not

    Should it happen? NO!

    But lets see what we have here. An extremely wealthy young man, not hard on the ladys eyes, I guess. To me all men look the same, like crap. Women on the other hand are beautiful creations of god…ah yeah back to my pointless point

    To think that a young wealthy man, married or not, can travel to exciting locations, have crowds yelling his name, have every magazine in the world want his picture on the cover, let him travel to these locations and events unaccompanied and then think he is not going to take the apple from the tree….

    IS INSANE

    WAKE UP

    I am not condoning it. I am staing that it is going to happen.

    It always happens. Ladies do not be fools, do not let your husband travel alone to overnight stays anywhere. They may not cheat this time. But it is going to happen, to a very high percentage of men. VERY HIGH

    Men do not think that your wife is never going to cheat on you either. If her job repeatedly sends her away overnight, be careful.

    Now everyone line up and tell me how it never happens to you or your spouse. I’m sure thats true and I am a pig for saying this. But I refer you to my above point.

    WAKE UP!

    Now line up with those sand wedges and tee off on me. And to you guys who are cheating and wish I had never typed anything, oh well, the truth hurts sometimes.

  12. #112
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    ThackerAgency said:

    Let me say this one more time in case you didn’t understand the first two.

    Tiger makes 2 million dollars a week playing GOLF.

    I always assumed that he cheated. He’s always on the road in exotic locations with beautiful people around him.

    I’d feel bad if he abandoned his wife and children and made them fend for themselves. That’s not going to be the case here. His wife and children will be cared for the rest of their lives.

    What did Tiger do wrong? Why is he an ‘idiot’? He got married.

    Wrong on so many levels.

    Top athletes typically make only around 10% of their income by playing their sport. The other 90% of their income typically comes from product endorsements.

    So really, Tiger doesn’t make his money playing golf. He makes money from endorsing products, and that money only comes in as long as he presents a good image for the companies who pay him to represent them and their products. So, he is an idiot for jeopardizing 90% of his income.

    I only addressed the money first because you did. But the money is near the bottom of the list in importance. Yes, Tiger will very likely lose money as the direct result of his infidelity, but he has already lost something much more valuable: TRUST.

    Trust takes a long time to build up, mere moments to destroy, and it is very, very difficult to rebuild once you’ve destroyed it.

    He may work hard to change his philandering habits and work to rebuild trust with his wife. But she can never look at him quite the same way again. He has enjoyed moments of pleasure that inevitably lead to a lifetime of pain. Thinking with the “little head” instead of the “big head” is what idiots do.

  13. #113
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm, John Deaux said:

    I don’t care what the temptation is, when one spouse cheats, they have effectively asked for a divorce. All these apologists can make excuses all day but the won’t change the act that’s already happened.

    Wrong is wrong.

  14. #114
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:49 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Look she ain’t divorcing him

    She would be crazy to divorce him

    She will wear the pants for a while, get some big, real big, diamonds, treat him like crap, his game will suffer

    But to let that money go ain’t gonna happen

    That is life. REAL LIFE

  15. #115
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:54 pm, Dan Lee said:

    The Judgment of others is always (ultimately) the responsibility of God himself.

    Forgiveness for the truly repentant, is ultimately EVERYONE’S responsibility TO God.

    -Dan Lee 12/2/2009

  16. #116
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:56 pm, RetFireman said:

    And people wonder why I have given up on marriage, let alone just dating.

    Seems the vows taken when one gets married are simply done out of tradition. No one takes them as actual vows. Lord knows my wife didn’t which is why I am now and will remain single.

    Once they took religion out of marriage and both made it not just a disposable joke, but easier to get a divorce than a driver’s license, why would people bother working on a marriage. It is mostly just a joke now.

    People who cheat on their spouses were once osteracized by society. Now, it is not only celebrated in the media and elsewhere, it is actually encouraged in movies, television shows and the Internet with sites like Ashley Madison, whose slogan is, “Life is short…have an affair”.

    Is there anyone that is capable of being faithful and devoted anymore?

  17. #117
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:56 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Forgiveness in cases like this, usually starts at Harry Winstons

    By appointment

  18. #118
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:03 pm, Dan Lee said:

    I’m not saying that he shouldn’t take some crap for it mind you. I’m just saying that at some point if you are truly looking for righteous resolve, you have to move from the anger stage, to the forgiveness stage when you’re seeing repentance. Remember that King David of Israel cheated, & then tried to cover it up by actually killing the husband of his mistress. He was ultimately put back in line by God, & forgiven. He was one of the greatest examples of a recovered addicts ever shown to man. A great man in most regards at the time of his death, & surely received by God as one of his own.

  19. #119
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:03 pm, spaceycakes said:

    I don’t have much to say; I’ve been married 23 years & Mr Cakes knows that he’s got the best. If anyone, man or woman, wants to play post office, then don’t get married & drag others through the pigsty.

  20. #120
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:08 pm, Dan Lee said:

    The other thing to consider is that many people who are coming down on Tiger have their own sins in their lives that may not be as easily seen as an affair is. Be it greed, or envy, or gluttony, or overindulgence in material things, or what have you.. Just remember what Jesus said. “He who has not sinned may throw the first stone.”

    This was Tiger’s area of sin. Ask yourself what is yours? Because we all have one or more. Then deal with what Tiger has done keeping your own Sin in perspective, & the fact that God has also forgiven you! If you think you are perfect, then you are hopeless in God’s sight.

  21. #121
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:14 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Dan I also am not saying that they can’t get past this. In fact I agree, faith can help them.

    Some people can never find forgiveness from the offended spouse. Some people find forgetfulness.

    But to throw away her marriage over sex with other women is not gonna happen.

    Deep down tiger is no different than any other man. He screwed up, she will get over it. If she can’t for some reason, she would be making a mistake.

    The truth is he has too much money to throw away their marriage. And someone needs to get that through her head.

    Treat him like crap. Make him show his love through millions of dollars of gifts.

    But at the end of the day. Think of the family. yeah thats it

    .
    .
    .
    .

    and the money

  22. #122
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:15 pm, spaceycakes said:

    oldcollegeguy; there’s no amount of money for me to think that.

  23. #123
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:18 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Good for you Spacey

    On the other hand

    well you know

  24. #124
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:20 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    An old broad knows what the young girl is yet to learn

    “Baby, don’t give that stuff away for free”

    And men learn early, “it costs, it always costs”

  25. #125
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:21 pm, purealchemy said:

    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm, John Deaux said:

    I don’t care what the temptation is, when one spouse cheats, they have effectively asked for a divorce. All these apologists can make excuses all day but the won’t change the act that’s already happened.

    Wrong is wrong

    I’m with you. Traditionally, the only grounds for divorce was infidelity.
    If my husband had ever cheated on me, no way would I stick around.

  26. #126
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:27 pm, Dan Lee said:

    oldcollegeguy,

    I respectfully disagree.. She actually may NEVER get over it completely, & Tiger will have to live with some of the consequences.. She will always wonder if the other woman had something she doesn’t, & live with the pain of what that something “might” have been.

    There are emotional consequences that Money cannot buy away. Both of them will suffer those consequences for many years to come. The truth is, we as humans are rarely able to forget painful memories. It is rather that through the grace of God, we learn to live with them. For Tiger, Confession is the road to healing, & Forgiveness is the promise land. Their lives together will likely never be the same again, but that doesn’t mean that they can’t work through this with God, & make their marriage sustainable.

    In fact, if they do, they will be better people for it.

  27. #127
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:29 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Violence, physical and emotional, is the only reason that 100 percent of the time should be grounds for divorce

    Sex for most is another high up there

    Money is the number one reason to stay

    Love comes and goes

  28. #128
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:31 pm, Dan Lee said:

    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:21 pm, purealchemy said:

    On December 2nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm, John Deaux said:

    I don’t care what the temptation is, when one spouse cheats, they have effectively asked for a divorce. All these apologists can make excuses all day but the won’t change the act that’s already happened.

    Wrong is wrong

    I’m with you. Traditionally, the only grounds for divorce was infidelity.
    If my husband had ever cheated on me, no way would I stick around.

    Yes, you are within your right to do that under law that God (who invented marriage) set forth. But people often forget what Jesus also said when he affirmed divorce as an option. “Moses gave you divorce, because your hearts were hardened.”

    This indicates to me that God prefers people work out their problems whenever possible, but perhaps leaves room for the fact that we cannot possibly be as forgiving as he is. If he wasn’t, we’d all have been returned to dust by now..

    Bare in mind, I don’t condone giving forgiveness to someone that has not shown true repentance, & paid a tangible price for sin.

  29. #129
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:32 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Dan I do not disagree in principle

    However, she will not be any happier without him and his money

    Yeah she would get a bundle, and the kids

    But the kids grow and they may or may not agree with her decision

    She should stay put, work on it and keep all of his money

    .
    .
    .

    and him

    Just an opinion

  30. #130
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:33 pm, stacman said:

    Michelle is absolutely right.

    How can a mega star like this who is recognized and admired around the world even believe in his own dreams that he could even wink at another woman without exposing himself to intense scrutiny? Could he really believe that these “hostesses” would keep their mouths shut? How moronic can one person be?
    .
    I’ve always been one of his most ardent supporters, but he just fell off the edge of the earth with this one. And that’s not even considering what he did. It’s the fact that he actually thought he could get away with it. I don’t care what the tabloids do to tear him down. One person shouldn’t be allowed to be so stupid, and surround himself with advisers who are stupid as he.
    .
    Have I mentioned that I think he’s STUPID? Damn…

  31. #131
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:34 pm, Dan Lee said:

    Aaah, but you’ve forgotten one thing.. He admitted cheating.. If she divorces him, she is entitled to at least half of his money under the law.. ;)

  32. #132
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:38 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    So Tiger is like Madoff for having sex outside of marriage?

    You said you assumed he cheated because he’s always around temptation. Do we assume bank clerks steal because they are always around other people’s money? Giving in is always a choice. Bernie and Tiger both let people down who trusted in them, though their acts were different. I’m worried about me, not them, and Tiger’s personal business isn’t any of mine.

  33. #133
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:39 pm, purealchemy said:

    This indicates to me that God prefers people work out their problems whenever possible, but perhaps leaves room for the fact that we cannot possibly be as forgiving as he is. If he wasn’t, we’d all have been returned to dust by now..

    Dan Lee, point well-taken.
    But to me, taking a man back after he’s cheated on me once is like allowing a person who’s stolen once or raped once, etc. to go on parole. If they have it within them to do it once, they will do it again.

  34. #134
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:40 pm, purealchemy said:

    How can a mega star like this who is recognized and admired around the world even believe in his own dreams that he could even wink at another woman without exposing himself to intense scrutiny? How moronic can one person be?

    Just as moronic as John Edwards. It’s called narcissism.

  35. #135
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:47 pm, Dan Lee said:

    Some things Tiger may be able to do to save his marriage:

    #1. (And this may sound silly, but it’s not.)

    Accountability!

    Show her you’re serious Tiger! Keep a spiritual adviser in his entourage at all times when traveling. I’m pretty sure he is a Christian, so he & his wife could together choose a Pastor, or a divinity student & pay that person to go on the road with him. Expensive, & somewhat embarrassing at first? Yes! One of the tangible prices paid for sin that I talked about.

    #2. Marriage counseling is highly advisable.

    #3. Cut down on the time apart from each other, & put the marriage before careers, where it belongs.

    #4. (Should probably number one.)
    Spend a good amount of time in the bible TOGETHER weekly. Like I said before. God invented Marriage. You will find no greater instruction manual to marriage than the Christian Bible.

  36. #136
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm, Dan Lee said:

    Purealchemy.. You are right.. Read my last post. It addresses accountability.

  37. #137
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 6:02 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    I have to admit that I really did like Rush’s take on this. Tiger has everything going for him; money, family, talent, skill… he as more money than he’ll ever need and he’s the worlds best at something he absolutely loves… he never has to do anything he doesn’t like to do. Yet with all that he’s miserable at home. It gives one pause to think and recount our blessings.

  38. #138
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 6:09 pm, purealchemy said:

    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm, Dan Lee said:

    Purealchemy.. You are right..

    About what? The narcissism or not taking someone back?

    #2. Marriage counseling is highly advisable

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve heard that the stats on couples who go through counseling end up getting divorced about 90-95% of the time.
    Marriage counseling should be for couples who have a marriage that is sound at the core but has a few rough edges.
    Unfortunately, most people don’t go for counseling until the core is cracked. At that time, it gives them a feeling that they have done everything they can to save it, assuages guilt.
    Moral: save your money. Just get it over with.

  39. #139
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 6:11 pm, purealchemy said:

    On December 2nd, 2009 at 6:02 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    I have to admit that I really did like Rush’s take on this. Tiger has everything going for him; money, family, talent, skill… he as more money than he’ll ever need and he’s the worlds best at something he absolutely loves… he never has to do anything he doesn’t like to do.

    But all the fame deprives him of intimacy and privacy. Even his family life isn’t private. That’s why a lot of powerful men go to prostitutes.

  40. #140
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 6:18 pm, Dan Lee said:

    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm, Dan Lee said:

    Purealchemy.. You are right..

    About what? The narcissism or not taking someone back?

    I think that you’re right that somene who has this area of sin in their life is likely to do it again without intervention.

    “The Journal of Marital and Family Therapy conducted a study in which clients of marriage counselors reported their experience with the sessions. Over 98 percent of the clients studied proclaimed they received great services from the marriage counselors and more than half saw an improvement in their relationship.”

    Source:
    http://www.ehow.com/facts_5079479_success-rate-marriage-counseling.html

    But that aside. Reconciliation is always possible in a marriage that returns to being “Christ Centered”..

  41. #141
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 6:22 pm, Dan Lee said:

    This is also a tremendous resource for anyone who’s having marriage problems:

    I have attended his marriage seminar with my wife. It was one of the smartest things we ever did for our marriage.

    http://www.garysmalley.com/

  42. #142
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 6:24 pm, Dan Lee said:
  43. #143
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm, purealchemy said:

    The article also says this:

    Expert Insight
    # Unfortunately, not everyone agrees that marriage counseling is successful. According to Dr. Willard Harley, a licensed marriage counselor, marriage therapy has the lowest success rate of any form of therapy. There are several factors that contribute to counseling sessions that are unsuccessful. The most notable facts are counselors who diagnose married couples as having multiple psychological problems that causes the couple to believe that the marriage is not salvageable. Another factor includes marriage counselors who are biased and side with one spouse while undermining the other. The last factor are the counselors who violate psychiatric ethics codes by insisting that couples separate. The separation often leads to divorce

    Just because people surveyed said their experience was good and it seemed to help does not confirm it saved their marriage.

    Dan Lee: It sounds like you and your wife have a marriage with the solid core and you are using counseling for the best reasons. That is great. Just not sure this isn’t more the exception than the rule.

  44. #144
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 6:28 pm, purealchemy said:

    oops, correction. You said you went to a marriage seminar. That’s different.
    People who have happy marriages go to seminars.

  45. #145
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 6:35 pm, Dan Lee said:

    We have also been to counseling when serious problems were challenging us.

    Of course there are going to be naysayers out there on Marriage Counseling.

    Specifically, you have secular psychologists out there who seek to discredit any form of “religious counseling” because they are godless people themselves, & don’t like the fact that they can’t compete.

    These are the same people that are pumping Ritalin into our children like they’re coming out of a Pez dispenser any time they show the slightest behavioral problem.

    All I can tell you is that I’ve watched dozens of couples go through counseling, & unofficially counsel many myself. (Not licensed.)

    I have seen nothing but good come from it, as long as the couple was willing to listen. That is really what it comes down to. They both have to want to save their marriage. A marriage counselor can’t fix everything FOR you. They are there to help you facilitate change, & help you to learn how to mediate, & “fight fair”. Fair fighting in marriage is healthy. Otherwise one person is usually getting taken advantage of.

  46. #146
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 6:37 pm, TypicalWhite said:

    Check out the Golf Digest cover. Link to related article:
    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/12/second-thought-maybe-wasnt-such-great-cover-idea

    Sadly funny!!

  47. #147
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm, Dan Lee said:

    Sorry, I meant they are there to mediate as an external objective individual, & teach you (in part) how to “fight fair” with each other..

  48. #148
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 6:48 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Of course he would do it again

    He is a man, who is going to have women throw themselves at him

    If she dosen’t understand this, what is in her head

    As I stated in my earlier post, do not let your men go out alone, overnight, with their friends etc….

    While the limelight is on Tiger, the truth is MEN CHEAT

    Everyone has some area of emptyness in their life

    Some fill it with faith

    Some fill it with good works

    Some fill it with drugs or alcohol

    Some fill it with sex

    I am always amased at my friends who I have personally seen oogling women with their eyes and then try to tell me that they would never cheat. It is not me they are lying to. It is themselves.

    I do not care who sleeps with whom. Never have and I encourage everyone else to not concern themselves with who sleeps with whom

    Many will say they would leave and never look back. Sure

    If your 10 – 20 – 30 dollar an hour husband cheats – LEAVE

    However women do not throw away husbands who earn what tiger does. if they are in their right mind.

    If she leaves, there are millions of beautiful women who will gladly move into her house. Laughing all the way to the bank

  49. #149
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 7:16 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    If she leaves, there are millions of beautiful women who will gladly move into her house. Laughing all the way to the bank

    exactly. If this episode teaches me anything it is to never get married. Is that what American women want to teach American men? That getting married is the dumbest thing you can do?

    Everyone here is upset at Tiger. I don’t hear the same scrutiny of Rush Limbaugh. He’s getting married again. How wonderful. . . to his 4th wife.

    I would love to have a family some day. But this society is absolutely crazy. People shouldn’t ‘own’ each other. But I do believe that marriage is a commitment forever. I just don’t think that sexual fidelity today is so important.

    That last sentence is likely because most of the women I’ve ever dated have cheated on me. Who CARES?! I want people who are with me to be with me because they WANT TO. Married or not, dating or not, the only thing I care about is that she’s happy. . . if it’s with me or not I don’t care.

  50. #150
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 7:20 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Everyone here is upset at Tiger.

    Not everybody. I’m not.

    Did he screw up. Yeah he screwed up.

    But so what.

    The real screw up will be if his wife throws him out.

  51. #151
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 7:23 pm, purealchemy said:

    On December 2nd, 2009 at 6:35 pm, Dan Lee said:
    We have also been to counseling when serious problems were challenging us.

    Of course there are going to be naysayers out there on Marriage Counseling.

    Specifically, you have secular psychologists out there who seek to discredit any form of “religious counseling” because they are godless people themselves, & don’t like the fact that they can’t compete

    Ah! There’s the crux of it! A Christian couple getting spiritual counseling has a huge advantage.
    It’s the secular people I’m mainly refering to.
    Dan Lee: Speaking of counseling, while you’re here, how about you do us Christians on this blog a favor and see if you can subdue our resident rapid atheist, zeroangel.
    Last seen at the end of the Christmas under attack again thread where I have failed miserably at reasoning with him.

  52. #152
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 7:28 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    And as for the comments that he makes his money only through endorsements. . . that’s HOGWASH! He gets endorsements because he wins.

    Golf is a difficult sport. There are no contracts. You earn what you win. If Tiger didn’t win, he wouldn’t get the endorsements.

    NOBODY helps Tiger win. Tiger wins because he works harder than everyone else and has ungodly talent. Tiger has EARNED everything. There is no cheating in golf (no subjective calls), there is no team mate to help out. He can’t play defense and keep anyone else from winning.

    Tiger earns what he does because he wins. Elin has never won anything but has claim to all of everything he has won. If Tiger stops winning, he’ll lose endorsements. There is nothing Elin can do to help him win when he stops winning.

  53. #153
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 7:28 pm, purealchemy said:

    Ooops another correction:

    resident RABID atheist.

  54. #154
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 7:33 pm, purealchemy said:

    n December 2nd, 2009 at 6:48 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    As I stated in my earlier post, do not let your men go out alone, overnight, with their friends etc….

    In the best marriages I have seen in my lifetime, the husband and wife don’t do guys’ or girls’ nights out.
    Not sure if it’s a healthy sign that you would have to coerce a mate not to go out with their buds.

  55. #155
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 7:37 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Not sure if it’s a healthy sign that you would have to coerce a mate not to go out with their buds

    It has nothing to do with healthy

    Most mens friends will lie and cover for them while they take a woman back to the room or out to the parking lot

    These “friends” are his friends not hers

    Just the world we live in

  56. #156
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 7:44 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    And just for the record

    So will many women cover for their girlfriends while she does the same thing

    Often she or he has known their friends longer than their spouse

    And they have secrets, many many secrets

  57. #157
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 7:59 pm, purealchemy said:

    oldcollegeguy1980

    I’m sure you’re speaking out of your life experience.
    It’s a sorry state of affairs.

  58. #158
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:03 pm, wren said:

    Tiger may be in even deeper trouble than he knows.

    Anybody who is even thinking about covering up a “transgression” should read this first:

    http://docretention.blogspot.com/

  59. #159
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:04 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    It is just observations from a life well lived

  60. #160
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:05 pm, swede said:

    It’s a sorry state of affairs.

    That would be Nevada. More infidelity there than anywhere I think. :-(

  61. #161
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:10 pm, TypicalWhite said:

    Yes, many people still practice fidelity (30+ years of happy marriage here). A hole in your soul simply can’t be satisfied by indulging in sex or any other physical appetite, and intelligent people know it.

    “A survey by the National Opinion Research Center (University of Chicago) found: Only 35 percent of unions survive an affair. Sixty-five percent of marriages break up because of adultery … Perhaps nothing can destroy a marriage faster than marital infidelity.”

    … and another take: “A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways.” – James 1:8

  62. #162
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:10 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Ah yes Nevada

    Las Vegas

    Best city in the world

    Wren the coverup is almost always worse than the act

    Which is why he should have never tried to run that night

    He should have never called that girl and said anything after his wife found out

    He should have said he was sorry and called Harry Winstons, taken a few shots to the nads and limped off to bed

    Gotten up the next day and got on with the rest of his and his wifes lives

    Instead of all this nonsense we are witness to now

  63. #163
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:18 pm, joeblough said:

    I don’t know Woods personally.

    I have NO CLUE of why he did what he did.

    It was probably a betrayal of trust, although I don’t know that for a fact.

    Even so, it may have been an undeserved or well deserved betrayal, and I don’t know that either.

    Woods is a virtuoso and I like him for it. Consequently, as this can’t possibly be a pleasant situation for him, I feel badly about it.

    To become a virtuoso at nearly anything implies some virtue of character, but we humans can compartmentalize our thoughts and feelings and virtues and vices in our own minds, and lives.

    I don’t think that I have enough information to form an opinion about Wood’s character, or to alter the favorable opinion I had until now.

    And frankly, I’m not all that fascinated by the whole issue. I’d much rather admire the man if circumstances permit. He gives us all a gift in the form of his own excellence — a reminder that excellence is possible.

    Sure, there are grounds for doubt about his moral character. Most of the time this sort of action arises out of simple self indulgence and some degree of dishonesty. But a doubt is not a damnation.

    Until and unless I have a real reason to condemn the guy, I’d rather just think of him as an outstanding guy who has flaws like the rest of us.

    Clay feet are our common denominator.

    It’s the golden abilities that set some of us apart as an inspiration to the rest.

    I’s rather stay focused on that.

  64. #164
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:18 pm, wren said:

    Reply to: Oldcollegeguy1980 8:10 pm

    Yup! Nixon learned the lesson about the cover up being worse than the crime too. Best not to “transgress” in the first place!

    But with the legal issues related to today’s communications technology, it is even more important not to cover up!

  65. #165
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:20 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways.” – James 1:8

    I have always liked that one

    Which is one of the reasons I do not bother myself with someone elses sex life

    I encourage others to not care about others sex lives also

    Should they cheat, No.

    Do they, Yes.

    Will it ever change, only the names will change.

  66. #166
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:22 pm, skysoljr82 said:

    Don’t know if this one has been posted yet or not:If a golfer hits a tree, blame the “Caddie.” :smile: (credit, Bob and Tom Show)

  67. #167
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:23 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Wren, dead on.

    There are no websites visited that cannot be recalled by your host

    There are no messages sent that cannot be retrived, at some level, you personally may never have access to that level though

    Admit it, and get the pain over with quickly

    your mom was right, grab that band-aid and pull

  68. #168
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:30 pm, wren said:

    Reply to: oldcollegeguy1980 8:23

    Just trying to keep my MichelleMalkin.com friends out of trouble!

    I don’t think many people know about these laws!

  69. #169
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:32 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Keep it up

    Cause just like Tiger, from time to time we could all use some good advice

  70. #170
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:33 pm, purealchemy said:

    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:05 pm, swede said:
    It’s a sorry state of affairs.
    That would be Nevada. More infidelity there than anywhere I think

    Hi, swede! :grin:

  71. #171
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:34 pm, swede said:

    I don’t think that I have enough information to form an opinion about Wood’s character, or to alter the favorable opinion I had until now.

    My opinion of him professionally is he is the greatest golfer of all time. At 21 he shattered all records at the Master’s, the premeir tournament in US history, and his career since has been extraordinary. And until now, I thought he was a class act. Humble, self efacing and honest.

    Now he’s a schmuck. Sorry, but the marriage vow is sacred and permanent. It is not treated with the gravity it should be in our culture, to our shame. Integrity relates to all facets of character. You can’t be a great guy in one area and a jerk in another, and still have integrity.

    People said Clinton dallying in the Oval Office had nothing to do with his leadership of the country. Nonsense. If he does not honor one oath how can he be trusted with another?

  72. #172
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:36 pm, swede said:

    Hey pure – sorry for the bad pun, but it seemed things were getting too serious.

  73. #173
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:37 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:05 pm, swede said:
    It’s a sorry state of affairs.
    That would be Nevada. More infidelity there than anywhere I think

    Now Swede, based on our rather small overall population, I doubt we can claim that

    Unless you mean as a percentage of population

    Then I feel we have a sporting chance to give any city a run for its money

  74. #174
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:43 pm, Cal City Conservative said:

    On December 2nd, 2009 at 7:20 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Everyone here is upset at Tiger.

    Not everybody. I’m not.

    Did he screw up. Yeah he screwed up.

    But so what.

    The real screw up will be if his wife throws him out.

    I’m not. Personally I really don’t care either.

    Something I have yet to see posted and this is kind of from the street type of thing, “No matter how good looking the woman somewhere some man is tired of putting up with her crap!” Who knows what she is like to live with.

    As far as if she leaves him it has been stated many times today that she would get a 7 figure settlement no questions asked and she is also seeking to have the prenuptial agreement redone.

    Just what did she bring to this relationship besides her womanhood I’m sure you know what I mean. Heck of an expensive experiment if you ask me. Like other posters have said he should have stayed single and done like Jeter has.

  75. #175
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:46 pm, purealchemy said:

    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:18 pm, joeblough said

    Great post! I applaud your wisdom!

    Here, here!

  76. #176
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:48 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Cal city thank you for the choice of reason

    Yes she gets 7 figures if she walks

    If she stays she has access to all 9 figures, maybe 10 over time

    Which does anyone really think she will choose

    We are not talking about divorcing the butcher or bag boy at the market

    It is all about the money now, over time she can forget about 2009 especially as she jets around with her now throughly whipped husband in tow

    And every time she is asked she can say, “I did it for my family” play the hero and smile

  77. #177
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:49 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    change to above “Voice not choice”

  78. #178
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 8:59 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Not to change the subject, it is going so well

    But here is a link to a cool video from Kandahar

    Here is the writeup “a B-1 dropping nine 500 pound bombs during a Canadian firefight in Kandahar, Afghanistan. The camera work is from an UAV”

    enjoy

    http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=204865&ESRC=airforce-a.nl

  79. #179
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 9:12 pm, swede said:

    oldcollegeguy1980

    Why use 4 500 pounders when one 2000 lb. JDAM will do the trick?

  80. #180
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 9:18 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Not that you are not correct

    I suppose it just what they had on that B-1 at the time

    Remember the old saying

    “You bomb the taliban with the bombs they loaded you with, not the ones you wish they had loaded you with”

    Still those ole 500 lbs do the job for less cost

  81. #181
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 9:20 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Although the small guidance system on a JDAM is not actually that costly

  82. #182
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 9:21 pm, purealchemy said:

    You guys are having too much fun.

    Could I stick around if I offered to serve some chili or chicken wings or other manly foodstuffs?

  83. #183
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 9:22 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Sure, although not the chili

    Had my fill of that last weekend

  84. #184
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 9:24 pm, purealchemy said:

    People said Clinton dallying in the Oval Office had nothing to do with his leadership of the country. Nonsense. If he does not honor one oath how can he be trusted with another?

    He desecrated the Oval Office with “stains”.

  85. #185
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 9:27 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    I wish the only stain Clinton had left were those on a rug and blue dress

    His deals with the chinese were many times worse than those with monica, etc…

  86. #186
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 9:48 pm, chapoutier said:

    She should just be allowed to sleep with Mickleson and then constantly tell Tiger how much better Lefty is in bed.

  87. #187
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 9:54 pm, purealchemy said:

    On December 2nd, 2009 at 9:48 pm, chapoutier said

    GO CHAPS! Glad to see you here!

  88. #188
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 9:59 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Dan Lee,
    I enjoyed your comments above. A lot of good stuff in there.

  89. #189
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 10:02 pm, rightisright said:

    Make nice with your wife. Do anything and everything you can to make it up to her and gain her good graces, and ensure that you NEVER treat her like that again!

    I read where their prenuptial is being reworked…it was said she would have received 20 million if they were divorced. If they are renegotiating their agreement it would be interesting to know who’s idea that was, Tiger’s maybe? Wanting to keep the mother of his children around and of course him closer to them, along with a better image as far as the public is concerned. Not to mention none of his sponsors have indicated they will drop him. If this is true, Elin will be one very wealthy young lady(more than $20 million) if Tiger drives out of bounds again. It may be a way of keeping Tigers pants on.

    IMO, he’s a womanizer, a philanderer, a cheat, with what looks like 2, 3 or more on the side this is a problem. It is a definite character flaw…I doubt the marriage will last, but maybe that’s what the new prenuptial is all about, giving Elin a stronger feeling of his future fidelity and Tiger’s got a lot more to lose now.

    I hope it works out them all, no matter which way they go.

  90. #190
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 10:02 pm, purealchemy said:

    Wow! Hi, Red Pill! Great to see you here!

  91. #191
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 10:10 pm, jangar said:

    A real man does not do this. He holds his marriage vows and covenant with his wife to be the greatest gift from God.

    Now is the time for him to man-up. Let’s see if he will do that, or cop out like so many do these days.

  92. #192
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 10:11 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On December 2nd, 2009 at 5:03 pm, spaceycakes said:
    I don’t have much to say; I’ve been married 23 years

    Got you beat, 26 years! And I bet Mr. Cakes has a different opinion on whether or not you have much to say. :smile:

  93. #193
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 10:13 pm, swede said:

    What Jangar said. The true test of character is integrity in all parts of life, especially your vows.

  94. #194
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 10:20 pm, purealchemy said:

    jangar, Rogue Cheddar, swede,

    You gots the real deal.

    Our enemy here is zeroangel.

    Wanna have some fun?

  95. #195
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 10:40 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On December 2nd, 2009 at 10:02 pm, purealchemy said:

    Wow! Hi, Red Pill! Great to see you here!

    Thanks, purealchemy! It’s always nice to be greeted so warmly!

    I hope all is well with you.

  96. #196
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 10:44 pm, purealchemy said:

    ITookTheRedPill

    I am in the business of greeting people warmly because that is all that counts in life.

    Care for a pineapple?

  97. #197
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 10:52 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Care for a pineapple?

    Should I take that at face value, or does it have some meaning I don’t understand?

  98. #198
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 10:59 pm, chapoutier said:

    Pineapple=traditional symbol of hospitality in colonial times. People would often have wooden or metal pinapples above their door.

  99. #199
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 11:00 pm, arvadadan said:

    Just another fool who can not keep his fly zipped!!!!

  100. #200
    On December 2nd, 2009 at 11:02 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Thanks, Chap. I appreciate the help. Now that you mention it, I do sort of remember that from a trip to Williamsburg, VA many years ago…

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