Tea Party trouble in Colorado
Memo to GOP candidates: Do not call yourself the “Tea Party backed candidate” if, in fact, Tea Party groups aren’t backing you.
Embarrassing details here: Ugh.
Where’s that head-banging-against-the-wall graphic?
Ah, there:
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I thought the whole point of the tea party was that it didn’t have leaders. That it is a movement, not an organization.
Just to clarify, I did not mean that snidely. I recall a real issue with some here about self-proclaimed leaders of the tea party movement. I am curious as to why Lesley Hollywood (and what kind of name is that for a Tea Partier?) feels she speaks for the Tea Party movement in northern Colorado.
Umm. Political candidate caught lying through his rotten teeth. Who’da thought?
More evidence that the old saw “Throw the bums out and get a new set of bums” is right on target.
Tea Parties have organizers, not leaders.
It’s A tea party, not THE Tea Party.
Lesley Hollywood disagrees.
This is an example of political darwinism. Good Bateman, gooood…
See my post on the “brought to you by the Democratic Party” thread.
It is IMPERATIVE that you do not refer to yourself as a Republican or SUPPORT the Republicans, unless you aren’t conservative. If you are CONSERVATIVE, then use that label.
Then, and only then, will we be able to convince the liberals that run the RNC that we simply will not vote for their candidates unless they are CONSERVATIVE.
Period. Always. No exceptions.
We have become a third party, whether we want to view ourselves that way or not. Anything short of that means “nose holding RINO’s,” and look how well that has worked out this century…
I’m sure she just means she’s the head organizer. We have someone like that in St. Louis.
Gee, Chap that was relevant to the article/ /sarc
The RINO’s will not “get it” until we do not pull the lever for them, because “we have nowhere left to go.”
My Republican Senator is a RINO. He is NOT getting my vote in 2010.
Um…some guy says he is the Tea Party candidate, and someone claiming to speak for the Tea Party says, “No you’re not.” I think it is relevant as to why this person thinks she has that authority, don’t you?
During the last Oklahoma Congressional election democrat Andrew Rice was saying he was “endorsed” by the NRA.
That was a bare-faced lie, and he was forced to admit it.
(burp*)
More tea Vicar?
The Tea party does not need leaders/candidates, just numbers.
Yeah, uh…here’s the deal…..Speak, act, live, and vote (if you’re already in office) like you represent us and you shall receive our endorsement in the form of a vote for your candidacy.
There was a tea party rally in Chicago a few months ago organized by a group called “9/12″ (I think?) Anyway the leader got angry because another tea party rally was starting elsewhere downtown. She said ONLY her group could do “official tea party” rallies.
We later discovered she was a liberal democrat employed by the “9/12″ group. (Which explains why the entertainment consisted of folksinging women without make-up. It looked a little like Lilithfair.)
Canididates need to earn the endorsements through merit not talk.
Watch your local GOP. That’s why we are where we are. I know one thing for the next election though. A whole lot of people did not vote that will vote this time. They are not motivated by RINOs and liberals. They are aware of NY23.
Not surprising. Whenever you have a movement, especially a political movement, you’ll have some who claim to “lead” it, for personal profit and power. Any candidate on the ballot around here, claiming to be the “tea party” candidate, gets no vote from me.
I suspect you’ll be kinda singular & solitary in losing sleep puzzling over that question, Chap.
Every movement has leaders. The Tea Party movement’s leadership is decentralized. There is no single overarching organization that controls the movement. Each local Tea Party has it’s own cadre of leaders that organize its activities. The many different Tea Parties around the country cooperate with others voluntarily.
The movement is evolving therefor its structure is going to evolve over time.
McKinnis tried to coopt the Tea Party and the local Tea Party leader called him on his lie. She’s the leader of the local organization. That gives her the authority. I don’t know how they chose their leaders in Colorado, but we elected ours.
isn’t that what is squatting in the White House??
Im still here trolling….
Something just didnt feel right when I saw McInnis was on Cavuto, but I wasnt paying attention at the time. Hes got my attention now.
Nothing has changed for me since I made my pledge last Spring. I will continue to do everything I can to destroy every RINO in the Republican party. I’ll take down Texas and Colorado and any other state I can, one voter at a time. (Newt, Lindsey, and the rest…. yeh I know Newts not in office and Im still on the fence about Rick Perry)
Ive branched out. Ive gone multi-media into various age/socioeconomic categories and Im knocking aside the lib myths and waking the silent majority up. Roosevelt and Reagan are dead, its a new world.
Once Im done with the RINOs then I’ll start on the Dems.
Far more interesting is that red fist in the upper right corner.
Surprised that was missed.
I think it’s relevant and that it’s good news for the Tea Party because it suggests candidates want to be associated with it.
Of course, the obvious questions for McInnis, and Chappy, is who from the Tea Party movement has endorsed you? What is the name of the group claiming affiliation the Tea Party movement that has endorsed you?
Odd how Chappy doesn’t ask that question. He just assumes that whatever the pol and the media states must be true and attacks the Tea Party movement. No agenda here…
McInnis is a typical slimy pol. He has already held office too long. I was so disappointed with Josh Penry pulled out of the Gov. race. I just can’t bring myself to vote for McInnis.
If Grasshopper could comprehend anything beyond the tip of his nose, he would understand I made no statement one way or the other about the veracity of McInnis’s statement. I was simply curious as to why one person or one group can claim the regional mantle of leader of a movement, and if this is consistent with the values of the Tea Party movement. At least a few others seem to share that concern.
And if dear Grasshopper could recall anything beyond when he is due for his next dose of Thorazine, he would recall that MANY people seemed to care about this issue a while back with a group, called the national Tea Party Coalition, or something like that.
And I would remind Grasshopper that, if he doesn’t think co-opting of the Tea Party movement is a very real issue, he should have attended Bachmann’s anti-health care bill rally. He could have then listened to some 30 or so politicians preen and bloviate in front of the media, treating the crowd as nothing more than a backdrop for their next campaign commercial.
Do we have proof that “Grasshopper” uses Thorazine?
Well, to be fair, only proof that he should.
It is proof postive that the Tea Party movement needs to develop cohesive and unified leadershiop to deal with such usurpers or else they will get co-opted ala the Reform Party….
i.e. “leadership” not “leadershiop” (which sounds like an ancient Egyptian Pharoh that never existed)
You mean the tongue-in-cheek red fist in the upper left hand corner?
PPC worked with Michelle Malkin and Hot Air last year during the DNC. Perhaps you should take a look at the rest of the site–Colorado’s largest conservative/libertarian blog aggregator and citizen journalist site!
It wasn’t missed. Apparently you missed this (or tried to throw it down your memory hole):
http://912dc.org/
We’ve read Rules for Radicals.
The Republican Party had best be careful. The Tea Party movement is aiming for real power and a seat at the table when it comes to the selection and election of leaders. No Republican can assume support just because they are a Republican – that is the lesson of the NY-23 election.
I think that’s why frustration is clearly conveyed in this post.
Or am I missing your point? Or should I award you the lgm award?
In Illinois, they’d be called Mark Kirk(senate) and Jim Ryan(governor)
Two morons.
corkie,
I do not read that as being the sorce of MM’s frustration.
Of course the tea party movement has leaders.
Source surgeusa.org
Leaders know where they are going – blog post at Tea Party Nation about this event. Another interesting recent article is Obama’s Atomic Bomb: The Ideological Clarity of the Democratic Agenda
When Republicans support Tea Party ideals, those Republicans – and only those Republicans – will be supported by the Tea Party movement. That’s the whole point of the Tea Party movement. We support those who support us, regardless of party.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Probably not the best choice of words when we’re discussing movements.
Of course, certain people who have obviously over-indulged in self-administered pharmacological experiments gone horribly awry can’t reason their way out of a dime bag. No surprise there.
The odd thing is that Cavuto seems to claim McInnis is the “TEA Party” candidate. And Fox was running text messages beneath the image indicating McInnis was the “TEA Party” candidate. A McInnis clearly does nothing to correct Cavuto. But it is possible that McInnis didn’t and couldn’t see the text messages running on the TV screen.
But those addle-brained rejects from rehab who troll here don’t have the brains to question the TV host who makes claims but rather question the authority of the person who states to have not endorsed the pol…
Never mind a simple google of “Lesley Hollywood Northern Colorado Tea Party” would have turned up the lady’s email addresses and indicated that she is very heavily involved in the Tea Party movement in Colorado. And on those websites I certainly don’t see anyone denouncing Lesley Hollywood or contradicting her statement to the head of the Colorado GOP…
No, these over-medicated, delusional, addle-brained Marxists have to assume that any conservative claiming anything is not only wrong but evil, vile and monstrous as well for claiming to be, well, a conservative…
I did just that last election, of course the dem was elected, been questioning that move every since. Although a RINO he did vote party line more times than not, saying that, on critical issues like amnesty he was a RINO. I figure I’m no worse off with the dem senator and hopefully the defeated senator got the message.
chaps, just parsing words, like the meaning of “is, is”? He likes to stir the pot more than anything I think. Why else would a liberal like chap frequent a conservative web site?
Grasshopper, here is what your fellow posters feel about supposed leaders of the Tea Party. Which is why I asked. Of course, you know this because, as detached as you are from reality, you are not stupid. Sometimes its okay to let your hatred go and just not comment on something I say. Especially when you struggle so mightily to have anything relevant to say.
Then what did you read as being the source?
Um, maybe the guy claiming he was the “Tea Party backed candidate”?
I assume that is why she started her post “Memo to GOP Candidates”.
I thought an interesting and relevant–yet unstated– topic, especially in light of what appeared to be the consensus concerning so-called tea-party leaders based on the thread I quoted, was why this woman could claim with any authority that he is NOT “tea party backed.”
I have been involved in the tea party movement from the beginning. I bristle at the thought of anyone claiming they are the official authority of the tea party movement in any way. The fact is there is a true grassroots movement of like minded individuals pushing back against a government trying to destroy the individual and their freedom.
Every tea party local group is autonomous and usually want to remain so. Our local group and others are evaluating prospective candidates by having them come speak to us as a group. However the struggle for the power that some cooperative unity will bring is underway and is a goal for the National Convention in February which is an event designed to bring in delegates of these groups from across the country.
All of these separate fingers have the potential to become a powerful fist anytime they need to with the degree of trust and understanding raised between them.
Meeting face to face in Nashville in February will becomes a huge step for this movement to gain that clout.
The politicians have become like our foreign foes, the only thing they understand or respect is power and until they see ours they will not respect it.
First National Tea Party Convention
See Grasshopper? It’s sad when a librul troll like me is more in touch with the pulse of this board than you.
Did eneryone hear that TeaBagger was up for the the New Oxford American Dictionary 2009 Word of the Year?
Also considered was brither, death panel, and several other liberal wonders about single moms and the enviroment.
Chappy,
I no longer have any trouble believing you are as stupid as you appear to be.
The woman clearly identifies herself as the leader of a specific local chapter of the TEA Party movement in Colorado. She writes to an official in the Colorado GOP to remind him that her TEA Party group doesn’t support McInnis and resent the Colorado GOP from attempting to hijack the TEA Party groups in the state.
And in fact, it seems all the major Tea Party groups in Colorado are in fact supporting another candidate! She isn’t claiming to represent the whole movement. That should be obvious even to a moronic, Marxist putz like you.
You continue to dissemble at every change. Of course, I would expect nothing less from an American-hating Marxist like you.
See more information on the fact that none of the Tea Party groups in Colorado appear to support McInnis here. http://73wire.com/trail/2009/12/tea-party-movement-vs-establishment-in-colorado/
Holy cow! Local Tea Party chapters and organizations have “structure” and they even know who they are supporting for various offices in various races!
Looks like Ms. Hollywood knows more about her Tea Party chapter, the neighboring chapters and the state chapters than does the Marxist Chappy. Who’da thunk it?
To the guy who claims to have the pulse of everyone-
If you love… the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your council, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget ye were our countrymen. – Sam Adams
WOOHOO!!! You brought back my favorite word! Can I now expect to see it in 5 consecutive posts, like the good old days?
You continue to ignore (or are too ignorant or disingenuous to grasp) the actual point I was making, and continue to insult the many other commenters who feel the point I brought up is salient, but that is par for the course for a mouth breather like you.
I guess some here, like Grasshopper, see “Tea Party” as a franchise like KFC, rather than a set of ideals. Just slap that tag on whatever organization you set up, declare yourself the leader and lo…instant credibility courtesy of the mindless peons like Grasshopper.
Apparently self identification is all the credibility Grasshopper requires.
Well…to McInnis’s credit he did not say he was endorsed by the Northern Colorado Tea Party, now did he?
Wow…it’s almost like this was exactly one of the points I made above…
All this talk about the real leader this and the actual “Tea Party” that is ludicrous. What? You think politicians of “the two” main parties aren’t going to co-opt the movement? Particularly the one that is currently most identified with conservatives. Even if it doesn’t deserve it?
Politics in this state is money first, ideology second.
The republican party here is run by the “old oil money”, liberal Bush wing. Geesh, our last republican governor was actually a Texan, and Neal Bush (GWB’s little brother) got rich bilking little old ladies out of their life savings at Silverado Savings And Loan (a Colorado Savings and Loan bank) when his daddy (GHWB) was President.
The democrats are no better. They prey on their base of poor hispanics and blacks in Denver, and the young, white liberals in college towns along the front range. Funded and controlled by the trust fund babies, internet millionares, and hollywood fat cats living in the mountain ski resorts of Aspen, Vail, and Teluride.
Actual conservatives live east of Denver on the plains. Cattle ranchers and farmers scratching a living out of the earth, and living every day with the realities of what it takes to survive in the “real” world. There aren’t enough of us out here to overcome the liberal “front range” republicans and democrats. Thus, we end up with Lesley Hollywood, and Jello Biafra running the state, and it’s killing Colorado. A pox on both houses!!
Gee Chap… looks like they are disassembling you quit well.
The word is dissemble. Not disassemble.
And… it looks like another person shares the concerns I raised. It is so cruel when the truth slaps Grasshopper so viciously across the face.
I think you missed a wordplay pun there, Chap. (“Disassemble” as in “they took you apart.”)
Possible, except that the day I am disassembled by an intellectual midget like WE82 is the day that Reagan rises from the grave and votes Democrat.
He used to, Chap, when he was still with us & before he came to his senses.
Now he’s likely the only one amongst the departed who doesn’t vote the straight Dem ticket with regularity.
1. Do you think it’s at all possible that he is tea party backed?
2. Do you have any other point other than the fact that Ms. Hollywood is being overly aggressive in claiming leadership of one of the many tea party organizations? If so, then what is it? If not, then has anyone specifically disagreed with you regarding Ms. Hollywood?
I have no idea.
Do you not think that is a salient issue? My point is that people here, and I have cited MANY examples, are wary of any sort of notion of leadership or co- opting of the tea party movement. I was aware of much ire in the past, I was wondering if that was still the case. How is any of this not entirely obvious? Clearly, there are at least a few others here who agree with me, after having expressed the exact point I was pursuing.
Besides idiot-in-chief, WarEagle? Yes. At least a few said they support the idea of leadership. Which, again is entirely obvious from reading the comments. Others have said they do not. Sounds like an actual debate to me.
Yup, corkie, to me that’s the only real relevant question on this; on what is any claim to being the “Tea Party candidate” or “endorsed by the Tea Party” based? He looks to be stung by this on his website: he says he’s not the Tea Party candidate but wants their support. He offhandedly blames Fox News:
LINK
1. Do you think it’s at all possible that he is tea party backed?
That’s silly, Chap. The statement issued at his official site states: “Scott has never implied the endorsement of the TEA Party organization, and would not be so presumptive to claim an endorsement that doesn’t exist.”
I expect he would know if he had such an endorsement, n’est-ce pas?
So you think it’s possible despite the reports regarding several Colorado tea party organizations claiming otherwise?
Ha ha! A debate about what? A debate about whether or not some woman is aggressively claiming leadership when she should not? Or a debate about whether or not it’s ok for factions of the tea party movement to have some from of leadership structure?
Have fun debating whichever.
This issue could be settled if the candidate could produce proof of TEA Party endorsement. I’m not holding my breath.
Hmmm… It sounds like chappy is scared out of his pants over the tea parties.
“I took Craft Disturbing Mental Image as my feat last level.” – Belkar Bitterleaf
A debate about whether any faction, local or national, can claim to speak for tea partiers. McInnis said he was Tea Party backed (or Fox said…whatever). Note he did not say “Northern Colorado Tea Party.” Hollywood hops on and says “uhh…our organization hasn’t backed you.” The obvious implication is that she feels she and her organization speak for all tea partiers in the region. MANY people here have claimed issue with just such a notion, yet you obtusely ignore this fact. You think I am making up a controversy?
In the red corner:
And in the blue corner:
Not to mention the myriad of posts on the other thread I cited. Underlying MM’s post, and right up front in the comments, is a real debate about the structure and leadership of the tea party movement. It is frankly shocking that you do not see it.
Absolutely. That is probably why I attended the Bachmann anti-health care rally.
Y’know, Chap, maybe you didn’t get “disassembled” but it sure sounds like you’re becoming undone over “no ado about nothing”, to paraphrase The Bard.
Think: thousands of starving children, thermonuclear war, the plethora of “reality shows” and such – they’s some good furrowed brow stuff right there.
How does stating “our organization hasn’t backed you” obviously imply that she’s speaking for all tea partiers? The words “our” and “all” have much different meanings.
But feel free to keep criticizing Hollywood for attempting to claim a leadership role which may or may not exist.
What’s so shocking? That some people want the tea party organizations to have some sort of leadership framework and that others don’t?
HA! Freaking HA!
Go ahead and try making an issue out of this. It’s not going to create any doubt that such organizations should exist.
Well…she actually said a lot more than that. You can read the whole statement and tell me whether you think she is speaking for all tea partiers.
No. That is not shocking. That is a debate. What is shocking is that you don’t think it is.
I didn’t. Others have.
Then you should have referenced it better. It doesn’t matter. I don’t care if you think she overstepped her role or not. It doesn’t matter to me.
Dude, you debate which wine you should drink on here, too. It’s a debate that doesn’t matter.
You were commenter number one and commenter number two. I’ve repeatedly asked what your point was, and this is what you gave me. Therefore, YOU did make an issue of this. How can you deny this?
Several other posters disagree.
I didn’t start the debate, it occured on an earlier thread, which I cited to in that Comment #2 you speak of. I was wondering if people still felt the same.
Just because they engage in the debate doesn’t mean they think it matters. They engage in your wine debates, too. And if anyone does think that it matters, then they’re wrong.
OK. Whatever.
That is possibly the worst thing you have ever said. I pity you the next time you confuse your 1982 Margaux with your 1992.
Hey, Chappy has read “nearly 10 books!” Of course most of those were pop-up books…
And it shows every time he engages in disingenuous dissembling like the Marxist he is!
Well, to be accurate, i think I read Parker’s book on Burgundy twice. And there is the Wine Spectator I get every couple weeks (This issue is the Annual Top 100! The winner is a real shocker). And the thousands of wines I have tried in my life. But of course, one wouldn’t even have to possess a tenth of the prodigious knowledge I have to know that you should never offer a Barbera d’Asti with a London Broil.
Wow! And Chappy demonstrates the meaning of “arrogance” yet again!
Notice how he recoils in horror when you question his “vast knowledge of viticulture” but doesn’t care when you accurately label him a Marxist.
I think that says volumes. It is also interesting that now he admits he may have only read 9 books and evidently he counts “Wine Spectator” as a book. IMPRESSIVE but not in the way Chappy wants it to be…
I know very little about viticulture, which is the study of growing grapes. I know a lot about oenology. Pardon me if I laugh at anyone who presumes to question my knowledge on the subject of wine if he does not even grasp its basic definitions.
No. I have read, as far as I can tell, ten, with one read twice. And I count Wine Spectator as a source of knowledge on par with a book, actually better because it is more current. But you know all that. You are just trying to pick nits to hide your own woeful impotence in this arena.
Just make sure you stay in the lines as you color your 10 little books. Your mommy must be so proud of you…
And I not only question your knowledge but your sanity.
What an arrogant putz…
…says the man who flatly denied posting a comment that is in plain sight for all to see.
And the reason I don’t care about your silly little “Marxist” jab is because it is about as accurate as anything else you said in that, or any other, post. Which is to say…not at all.
Guys,
Is there anyway that I can mediate a cease fire between you?
I know that neither of you wants to waste any additional time on the other.
WarEagle82, chapoutier is a smart guy that adds value to MM’s blog by keeping us honest – I’m happy he’s here. It’s also quite obvious that he’s not a communist. Can I convince you to lighten up on him for awhile?
chapoutier, if WarEagle82 lightens up, can you avoid casting dispersions?
I’m open to other ideas on this.
Yes, Corkie, send me $1,000,000 in small, unmarked bills, stop talking about economics and I’ll consider an armistice with Chappy the Marxist.
Come on, WarEagle82. This feud is unnecessary.
P.S. Why would you care if I sent you marked bills?
I can’t believe this thread is still alive.
WE82: check the last page on the Christmas thread for your fan mail.
They enjoy it.
I find it all quite entertaining.
Corkie,
Yes, I would not want marked bills. The funds must be untraceable for my purposes.
Oh, and thanks for reminding me. The serial numbers must not be consecutive.
OK. I tried. Since you wouldn’t give the idea any reasonable consideration I have decided to triple the amount of economics I will discuss here.
So, do most of you still think that Paulson’s TARP program won’t receive any repayment for any of the loans issued during the Fall 2008? Sorry, that’s a trick question, the program has already received repayment from many of the participating banks.
Next, are most of you still convinced that the economy will be in the gutter in November 2011? Or are some of you starting to realize that it’s possible that we could have a year’s worth of positive GDP and unemployment diminished to a mere 7.5%?
Chap’s talkin’ about me there. I drop in every fortnight to see what vino he’s pouring down the ol’ hatch.
No comment on all that, Corkie. I’d just add it’s really a whole lot tougher gazing into the economics crystal ball than it was, say, in the 60s & 70s. So many new dynamics that could throw all the best laid plans & predictions askew.
I wouldn’t bet the farm either way, but I’d hang on to my hat because I expect there to be more stuff coming along to hit the fan. Some of the stuff might be sunshine & roses, some won’t be.
Happy not to be a pro economist.
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No…they’d rather bury their head in the sand and think they can declare victory based on polls and the economy 11 months out. You are exactly right on wrt this. Oh well, all the better for my side.
Did the “gay” thread get shut down?
There’s no option to post there now.
What new dynamics?
Look. I completely agree that many factors could disrupt the weak recovery that I’m predicting. Cap&Trade was the biggest, but I don’t see that as likely for some time if at all. A liberal healthcare system scares me, but I don’t really see that having much of a negative impact prior to Nov 2011. I think healthcare will get worse over time and economic growth will be dampened in the future, but I don’t think it will disrupt the weak recovery (I’ll be wrong, however, if the stock and bond markets immediately react strongly negative to it – but I don’t think they will).
For the record, I’m predicting positive GDP between now and the next election and unemployment to drop below 8%. This doesn’t mean we’ll have a great economy, but it’s better than most conservative politicos are predicting right now. I just don’t want them basing strategy on it.
Yes. I don’t understand it. They should at least be thinking about hedging their bets a bit.
Argh. Concur.