Explosive: The not-safe-for-school reading list of the safe schools czar; Plus: GLSEN sponsors gay Santa play; and a “Fistgate” flashback

By Michelle Malkin  •  December 4, 2009 12:25 PM

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Doing the investigative work the dinosaur, Obama-enabling media won’t do, Scott Baker and a collaborative research team have waded through the sexually explicit reading list endorsed by safe schools czar Kevin Jennings and the group he founded — GLSEN.

Jim Hoft at Gateway Pundit posts the team’s report.

Make sure you have an empty stomach before you read.

A few excerpts to get you started:

Reflections of a Rock Lobster – Pages 13 + 14

(At the age of six, the author played “sex therapist” with a five-year-old friend, and “explored our sexuality to its fullest.”)

One friend I was very close to was Billy Marlen. Billy was a year behind me in school yet we got along well together. In our friendship, a special camaraderie existed that was rare in my other friendships. There was a brotherhood that does not often occur even between brothers. We shared our toys and spent many summer days building sandcastles on the beach. On rainy days I’d walk down to Billy’s house where we spent the day reading books and building racetracks and playing sex therapist in his basement. We were human beings who knew no social inhibitions and were willing to explore our sexuality to its fullest
.

….

Passages of Pride – Page 4

(Beginning at the age of five, a young child has sexual encounters with his playmates.)

Throughout his childhood, from age five on, Derek would sneak off with a friend into someone’s basement or the woods along the back alley, where they would take off their pants and play with each other, usually fondling each other’s genitals. It became habitual.

“At that time, I didn’t quite have a name for it,” says Derek. “It was something that I liked doing, that felt good, that I wanted to do as often as I could. The other kids always recognized it as being something bad and dirty. And all I wanted to know was, When can we do it again?”

In Your Face – Page 150

(The author describes how a sudden and impulsive sexual encounter was the healthiest relationship he’s ever had, then regrets the incestuous relationship he had with his cousin.)

But I know in the immediate future I want a very healthy relationship, because I’ve never really had a healthy relationship. The closest I’ve had was with a guy that I met at the lake when we lived in Davenport. I just met him at the lake, and he already had a boyfriend and stuff. I just walked up to him and said, “Do you want to f**k?” and we did. For a week. And then I went home because I couldn’t handle it anymore. The relationship I had with my cousin was very, very twisted, and I didn’t like hiding it. I mean, he was my cousin, and so it feels rather disgusting. But I think that you’re gonna fall in love with whomever you’re gonna fall in love with.

Would Barack and Michelle Obama approve of their daughters reading this in their classrooms?

Is Kevin Jennings bringing his reading list to your children’s school?

Email: Kevin.Jennings@ed.gov

Email: Arne.Duncan@ed.gov

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Related: GLSEN sponsors “Santa is Coming Out:”

Join GLSEN December 8th, 2009 at 6:00 p.m. for a benefit evening of festivities and entertainment with Santa Claus Is Coming Out, an Off Broadway show written and performed by Jeffrey Solomon, and directed by Joe Brancato.

Santa Claus Is Coming Out is a Santa story like you’ve never heard before. Developed at Penguin Rep Theatre, this mock-u-mentary follows Santa in his heartfelt struggle to reconcile his romantic relationship with Italian toy maker Giovanni Geppetto, and he better think of something fast because Christmas is just around the corner! Garnered to induce plenty of hearty chuckles, this clever Santa story is sure to leave you with a new found appreciation for the cheery, snowy-bearded icon.

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I first encountered GLSEN in Seattle in 1997, when it was known as GLSTN. They’ve been at this a long time. A flashback:

Tuesday, November 25, 1997 – Page updated at 12:00 AM
And Now Some News That’s Fit To Print – But Wasn’t
By Michelle Malkin
Times Editorial Columnist

A bulging file stashed in my bottom desk drawer bears the label “FIT TO PRINT.” It contains numerous and sundry news items that, for whatever reason, have never been published in the pages of our local newspapers. Until now:

– Citizen watchdog exposes Seattle schools’ link to Internet smut. Picture this: Two bare-chested boys embraced in a kiss. A third person, whose face is not shown but is also bare-chested, stands off to the side with his hand on the head of one boy. Below the vivid color photo, which is posted on the Internet home page of a group called “AltKids,” is a caption explaining that the group provides a service “in which gay and bisexual kids can find partners or friends of the same sexual orientation.” To post messages on the site’s “Alternative Connections” page, users must register not just their name and age, but their height, weight, hair color, eye color, address and phone number.

Until last week, after West Seattle citizen activist Linda Jordan and other concerned parents complained to the school board, this on-line “service” was advertised on the “links” section of the National Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Teachers Network (GLSTN). GLSTN provides support to a chapter in Washington state, many of whose members are employed by the Seattle School District’s Sexual Minority Advisory Council. The Council promoted the national GLSTN office’s web site in literature made available to schoolchildren.

Prior to Jordan’s complaint, Seattle students had unlimited access to the GLSTN site and to the smutty AltKids link. After viewing the photos, the district’s legal counsel, Mark Green, contacted the national GLSTN office, which has removed the AltKids link from its site pending further investigation. Green told me that district computer technicians have blocked the site from public school computers. Kudos to Jordan for making the schools safer. But where were all the district’s guardians? What other exploitative materials are children being exposed to in the name of teaching tolerance and self-respect?

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MassResistance first posted audiotapes of a sordid 2000 GLSEN conference advocating “fisting” for young high school students last June. Jim Hoft revisits the scandal.

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  1. #201
    On December 4th, 2009 at 9:40 pm, Jeddite said:

    elpoep tnereffid yletelpmoc era etiddeJ dna umO, syug wtb

  2. #202
    On December 4th, 2009 at 9:43 pm, Omu said:

    It is funny how the Christian right (and that’s really what Michelle Malkin, Beck, Limbaugh, Coulter, etc. all really are – I cannot imagine that Malkin et al would be so hysterical and so homophobic without the innate irrationality and hostility to free inquiry that comes with membership in an organised religion) makes a point of supporting and respecting the troops (which, of course, is NOT a monopoly of the right at all and it is extremely disingenuous to pretend it is) except when that war veteran is an atheist (then hell awaits you) or gay (then your service for this country doesn’t count and you should be kicked out the military at once and shame on you for having the temerity to defend our freedoms and be gay at the same time!). Funny.

  3. #203
    On December 4th, 2009 at 9:44 pm, Jeddite said:

    @ZA

    I’m just going to stick my index fingers in my ears, close my eyes, and chant “TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL” until you go away!

    We were trying to enjoy a nice session of the echo chamber agreeing with itself, but you had to come along and offer a difference of opinion blah blah blah blah logical fallacies (LOL GAY INNUENDO LOL) out the wazoo how dare you threaten our comfortable stereotypes of certain minorities etc etc etc

    =]

  4. #204
    On December 4th, 2009 at 9:44 pm, zeroangel said:

    Jeddite:

    elpoep tnereffid yletelpmoc era etiddeJ dna umO, syug wtb

    ?esiwrehto kniht ew dluow yhW

    …and what’s with the backwards talk? What else is in that tea?

  5. #205
    On December 4th, 2009 at 9:52 pm, Jeddite said:

    …and what’s with the backwards talk? What else is in that tea?

    aciremA fo htuoy eht tpurroc ot ylno tsixe ohw stnaived lauxes fo dnimevih tnatilim a gnieb ton syag tuoba ereh hsilbatse ot deirt ev’I gninhtyreve niur ot snetaterht umO ,ton ro yllanoitnetni ,esuaceb

  6. #206
    On December 4th, 2009 at 9:53 pm, purealchemy said:

    I have never seen anything like this.

    I am just an old gray haired broad who is late getting connected to the techno-hip gen.

    But I would like to learn.

  7. #207
    On December 4th, 2009 at 9:54 pm, purealchemy said:

    aciremA fo htuoy eht tpurroc ot ylno tsixe ohw stnaived lauxes fo dnimevih tnatilim a gnieb ton syag tuoba ereh hsilbatse ot deirt ev’I gninhtyreve niur ot snetaterht umO ,ton ro yllanoitnetni ,esuaceb

    I would like to learn about this.

  8. #208
    On December 4th, 2009 at 9:56 pm, Jeddite said:

    Wow, it looks like “pervs and pagan night” at mm.com. There goes the neighborhood.

    And yet here you are, in the thick of it. Now, I’m no Biblical scholar, but I see to recall something about a man named “Lot” who had this wife…

    Has ZeroIntellect admitted he, like all atheists throughout history, is genetically predisposed to genocide against people of faith? It is only a matter of time.

    Good thing there are no historical examples of religiously-influenced genocide carried out by members of a particular faith against people of a different faith. That would look rather awkward when juxtaposed against that statement.

    The real question is whether he will choose to allow his latent homosexuality to emerge and run off with Chappy to live in an homosexual, Marxist, nudist commune in Oregon (sorry about all those redundant adjectives) before his genocidal tendencies manifest.

    laffles

    But this all has to happen before Oprah goes off the air in 2011 so he can tell his story there…

    And you’d be watching that too.

  9. #209
    On December 4th, 2009 at 9:56 pm, zeroangel said:

    Jeddite:

    !esnesnon gnituops dna secef gniworht ereh hguorht nar tsuj natugnaro na kool hO

  10. #210
    On December 4th, 2009 at 9:57 pm, purealchemy said:

    You are a piece of work, pure

    Excuse me?

    I am a WASP DAR person.

    You are a toad.

  11. #211
    On December 4th, 2009 at 9:59 pm, zeroangel said:

    aciremA fo htuoy eht tpurroc ot ylno tsixe ohw stnaived lauxes fo dnimevih tnatilim a gnieb ton syag tuoba ereh hsilbatse ot deirt ev’I gninhtyreve niur ot snetaterht umO ,ton ro yllanoitnetni ,esuaceb

    Oh OK, got ya.

  12. #212
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:00 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Ну что ый говорите?

    I did’t see Chappy run through.

    On December 4th, 2009 at 9:56 pm, zeroangel said:

    Jeddite:

    !esnesnon gnituops dna secef gniworht ereh hguorht nar tsuj natugnaro na kool hO

  13. #213
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:00 pm, purealchemy said:

    On December 4th, 2009 at 9:56 pm, zeroangel said:
    Jeddite:

    !esnesnon gnituops dna secef gniworht ereh hguorht nar tsuj natugnaro na kool hO

    I am supremely happy that loser zero has bonded with someone better than him.

    Thank you for convincing me that I should follow through with my DAR application.

  14. #214
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:01 pm, Jeddite said:

    I’m rather amazed that this thread, a topic dealing largely with teh gayz managed 200+ comments without one screeching invocation of the word “bigot”.

  15. #215
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:02 pm, Jeddite said:

    Ну что ый говорите?

    COMMIE-TALK!

  16. #216
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:03 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Your restraint is amazing. If only you could restrain your passions similarly…

    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:01 pm, Jeddite said:

    I’m rather amazed that this thread, a topic dealing largely with teh gayz managed 200+ comments without one screeching invocation of the word “bigot”.

  17. #217
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:04 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Sagst Du das order meinst Du das nur so?

    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:02 pm, Jeddite said:

    Ну что ый говорите?

    COMMIE-TALK!

  18. #218
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:04 pm, jangar said:

    I’m rather amazed that this thread, a topic dealing largely with teh gayz managed 200+ comments without one screeching invocation of the word “bigot”.

    The night is still young…and Omu’s mom hasn’t caught him on the computer yet.

  19. #219
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:04 pm, Jeddite said:

    7PM PST. Qvittin’ time. And I’m in serious need of that salty Pugent Sound air tonight. I shall enjoy my evening walk in south Seattle.

  20. #220
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:10 pm, zeroangel said:

    LOL! That’s cute! The Gibbon thinks that knowing other languages is impressive! Why don’t you quote us your income level again?

  21. #221
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:13 pm, zeroangel said:

    Pure:

    I am supremely happy that loser zero has bonded with someone better than him.

    Do you really want to go here? You can’t even grasp Jeddite’s and my supremely simple code.

  22. #222
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:17 pm, chapoutier said:

    wareagle,

    Have you beaten your wife yet for engaging in high risk, and therefore sinful, behavior yet?

    Have you finally learned what viticulture means?

  23. #223
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:17 pm, zeroangel said:

    Jeddite:

    And I’m in serious need of that salty Pugent Sound air tonight. I shall enjoy my evening walk in south Seattle.

    Enjoy! Try not to run around with your penis flying everywhere scaring nuns and little children. Oh and, don’t spread the power of Satan if people ask you about religion.

  24. #224
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:18 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    It is virtually inconceivable that, other than Chappy, there is a form of life lower than ZeroIntellect. Therefore, should he bond, it would of necessity have to be with his better…

  25. #225
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:19 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Chappy, has your “partner” stopped beating you yet? Talk about high risk behavior? Mating with Chappy is about as high risk as it gets…

  26. #226
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:23 pm, zeroangel said:

    WE82:

    If one wanted evidence of common ancestry between chimps and man, one only need examine you and your immediate relatives.

  27. #227
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:26 pm, jangar said:

    zeroangel said:
    WE82:

    If one wanted evidence of common ancestry between chimps and man, one only need examine you and your immediate relatives.

    How can this be when you are the one who subscribes to a human/primate relationship?

  28. #228
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:29 pm, zeroangel said:

    Jesus jangar, are you really that thick?

  29. #229
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:30 pm, jangar said:

    Z-

    I just reject your theology.

  30. #230
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:32 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    ZeroIntellect,

    In the history of mankind, your intellect and wit will be rated somewhere on the scale between a diseased rodent and a jellyfish.

    The Chimp at the National Zoo just called and wrote you out of the will…

  31. #231
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:32 pm, zeroangel said:

    jangar:

    For the purposes of the above flame, it doesn’t matter if you deny evolution or pretend the Earth is flat.

  32. #232
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:34 pm, zeroangel said:

    WE82:

    Haven’t you learned anything from Chap? Is it at all possible for you to make an original flame?

  33. #233
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:35 pm, jangar said:

    The Chimp at the National Zoo just called and wrote you out of the will…

    A chimp knows more about where he came from than ZA.

  34. #234
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:36 pm, zeroangel said:

    WE82:

    a diseased rodent

    Wasn’t that what you served your family for Thanksgiving? A real delicacy. What wine did you pair it with?

  35. #235
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:36 pm, Jeddite said:

    Before I head out, I want to link this to purealchemy.

    I don’t know what the lyrics are, and I don’t intend to ever research them. Because, sometimes, a musical experience is enhanced when you dont know the words, and are thusly left to interpret the message based on the tone, inflection, melody, harmony, rhythm, tempo, etc. etc.

  36. #236
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:37 pm, zeroangel said:

    jangar:

    A chimp knows more about where he came from than ZA.

    Yes, he probably read about it in a 2000 year old book written by long dead chimps who lived in a barren wasteland.

  37. #237
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:40 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Why would I waste it on you?

    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:34 pm, zeroangel said:

    WE82:

    Haven’t you learned anything from Chap? Is it at all possible for you to make an original flame?

    And you’ll have to ask Chappy about exotic pairings. Frankly, I am certain he will have a recommendation for you and you are obsequious enough to try it…

    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:36 pm, zeroangel said:

    WE82:

    a diseased rodent

    Wasn’t that what you served your family for Thanksgiving? A real delicacy. What wine did you pair it with?

  38. #238
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:41 pm, purealchemy said:

    December 4th, 2009 at 10:04 pm, Jeddite said:
    7PM PST. Qvittin’ time. And I’m in serious need of that salty Pugent Sound air tonight. I shall enjoy my evening walk in south Seattle

    With any luck I can qualify as a fag hag to waltz with Jeddite by his native waters.

  39. #239
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:42 pm, zeroangel said:

    WE82:

    Why would I waste it on you?

    LOL.

    you are obsequious enough to try it…

    Hah! That wasn’t bad actually. Of course, it’s not about being obsequious but humble enough to accept an opinion that one asks for.

  40. #240
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:46 pm, chapoutier said:

    zero,

    I am especially proud of my recent “sudoku flame”. I thought that was particularly witty.

    But Grasshopper has been a particularly stubborn and disappointing student.

  41. #241
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:49 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    It is good to know that Chappy is proud of himself. He loves himself above all else. If he weren’t so darn humble he would be nearly perfect…

  42. #242
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:53 pm, chapoutier said:

    Yes Grasshopper. Unlike others I do not feel the need to seek validation from outside sources.

    BTW, I sincerely hope your wife survives her bout of heterosexuality.

  43. #243
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:53 pm, purealchemy said:

    Chaps, who is Grasshopper?

    It appears Sarah Palin has totally bonded with the Graham family.

    Great news for America and Chrisitianity.

  44. #244
    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:55 pm, swede said:

    Wow. The depth of thought and keen insights here are extraordinary. Don’t bother snarking back. I won’t be here.

    Good night o saviours of the planet.

  45. #245
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:00 pm, chapoutier said:

    and, as you no doubt recall zero, I gave good, sincere, nonsnarky advice. Which Grasshopper, in his little fit of blind fury, decided to piss all over.

  46. #246
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:02 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Frankly, I suspect your “partner” prays that he/she will not survive the nightly ordeal with you. Who can blame them.

    I mean if the choice is between a mortal sin and you, hell would be the obvious choice…

    On December 4th, 2009 at 10:53 pm, chapoutier said:

    BTW, I sincerely hope your wife survives her bout of heterosexuality.

  47. #247
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:02 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    This is too weird. I’m outta here. Gonna go clean rifles.

    ECS

  48. #248
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:06 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    And had we been in the same room I am sure you would have collected it, bottled it, and come up with an “exotic pairing” for the specimen so delivered and ZeroIntellect would have consumed it with relish at your suggestion.

    It really must kill you to know that someone, somewhere knows you are a pretentious, arrogant hack…

    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:00 pm, chapoutier said:

    and, as you no doubt recall zero, I gave good, sincere, nonsnarky advice. Which Grasshopper, in his little fit of blind fury, decided to piss all over.

  49. #249
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:06 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Yes, that is the safer choice tonight…

    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:02 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    This is too weird. I’m outta here. Gonna go clean rifles.

    ECS

  50. #250
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:08 pm, chapoutier said:

    don’t worry grasshopper. My “partner” believes less in your Hell fantasy than even I do.

    Please tell your wife that, despite her self destructive sexual choices, there is at least one person, chapoutier, that does not judge her for it. Hopefully she will find some small comfort in that.

  51. #251
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:08 pm, purealchemy said:

    Gonna go clean rifles

    That is perfect.

  52. #252
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:10 pm, chapoutier said:

    Correction. A pretentious, arrogant hack that was 100% correct about the wine advice you asked for and which he provided.

  53. #253
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:13 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Well, I’ll tell Mrs. WarEagle what you said. But if she finds any comfort in your existence I suspect it will the the first time any woman ever has.

    And one would think your “partner” would be a big believer in “hell” after any amount of time with you…

    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:08 pm, chapoutier said:

    don’t worry grasshopper. My “partner” believes less in your Hell fantasy than even I do.

    Please tell your wife that, despite her self destructive sexual choices, there is at least one person, chapoutier, that does not judge her for it. Hopefully she will find some small comfort in that.

  54. #254
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:14 pm, purealchemy said:

    This is too weird. I’m outta here.

    That’s just the time when it happens.

    When you are in the moment and everything resonates.

    I’d bet my John Birch Society card on it.

  55. #255
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:16 pm, zeroangel said:

    as you no doubt recall zero,

    Yes, I recall. No matter how you slice it, the facts are WE82 asked the community here for advice and the only reason he went apesh|t is because it came from Chap. It’s crystal clear. It’s also pathetic and illustrates perfectly just how much of a partisan tool WE82 is.

    ZeroIntellect would have consumed it with relish at your suggestion.

    If it was as good as Port, damn right I would have, but that’s because I’m not a raging lunatic who won’t accept advice he asks for.

    Let’s be honest WE82, the only reason you were asking for wine pairings in the first place is because you were trying to be a pretensious snob yourself.

  56. #256
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:20 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Let’s be brutally honest, ZeroIntellect.

    The only reason I asked for wine pairings is because I knew it would an irresistible opportunity for Chappy to demonstrate his arrogance and pretentiousness. And I was right beyond my wildest dreams…

    It is simply a bonus for you to admit you will swallow whatever Chappy offers. Like I said, obsequious.

    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:16 pm, zeroangel said:

    No matter how you slice it, the facts are WE82 asked the community here for advice and the only reason he went apesh|t is because it came from Chap. It’s crystal clear. It’s also pathetic and illustrates perfectly just how much of a partisan tool WE82 is.

    ZeroIntellect would have consumed it with relish at your suggestion.

    If it was as good as Port, damn right I would have, but that’s because I’m not a raging lunatic who won’t accept advice he asks for.

    Let’s be honest WE82, the only reason you were asking for wine pairings in the first place is because you were trying to be a pretensious snob yourself.

  57. #257
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:20 pm, John Deaux said:

    Ok, let me see what I missed.

    shimauma2: All gays are pervs.
    Iamsaved: And sinners.
    Jeddite: Not all gays are bad.
    WarEagle: Time to insult Chap.
    Chap: Right back at ya, WE82.
    ZA: Kewl! I got a bud.
    OMU: Hey, look at me! Look at me!
    Pure: Jus killing time.

    At least Monster Thread was entertaining. I need a vacation.

  58. #258
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:23 pm, zeroangel said:

    WE82:

    The only reason I asked for wine pairings is because I knew it would an irresistible opportunity for Chappy

    Did you just actually say, “I meant to do that” again?

    Jesus ‘effin Christ on a popsicle stick with his own children’s show…

  59. #259
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:31 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Right, ZeroIntellect,

    Of course, only an idiot would assume a trap wasn’t the trap. Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance and stupidity again.

    You can take a break now. We all know you are a moron. You don’t have to try so hard to convince any more…

  60. #260
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:34 pm, Jeddite said:

    The only reason I asked for wine pairings is because I knew it would an irresistible opportunity for Chappy

    ahahahahaha, the classic “REVERSE TROLLED” card has been played.

  61. #261
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:41 pm, zeroangel said:

    WE82:

    only an idiot would assume

    …and only a fellow Gibbon would believe you really “meant to do that.”

    Jeddite:

    WE82 gets his flames from the Pee Wee Herman school of flame wars.

  62. #262
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:43 pm, chapoutier said:

    Well, I’ll tell Mrs. WarEagle what you said. But if she finds any comfort in your existence I suspect it will the the first time any woman ever has.

    Admit it, zero. That was pretty good. I guess it shows that, while Grasshopper couldn’t pull a coherent, rational thought out of his ass if he tried, with the help of a headlamp and a pickax, he can occasionally mine a gem out of there.

  63. #263
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:46 pm, zeroangel said:

    Chap:

    Oh, he pulls out winners every so often. I still liked the outhouse / conception thing from so long ago (aka doodoo poopy head flame).

    It’s a real shame he can’t redirect his anger and frustration into constructive and reflective debate and / or thought.

  64. #264
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:50 pm, chapoutier said:

    Jeddite, by the way…since you weren’t there, here is WE82′s query that OBVIOUSLY he was trying to bait me with. Oh and recall that this was in the context of a much longer thread with much discussion, with many posters, about wine and food.

    On July 19th, 2009 at 9:55 pm, WarEagle82 said:
    A question for any wine connoisseurs out there. What is the best choice of the following to serve with London Broil?
    * Barbera from D’Asti
    * Merlot from South Africa
    * Tempranillo from Spain
    * Font de Blanche Cotes du Rhone (A Grenache blend)
    In the end, I’ll let me guests choose, but it often interesting to hear what others think.

    And here was my response:

    Barbera d’Asti would be the worst choice. It is light, fruity and actually slightly effervescent. It really does pair best with Italian, tomato based dishes where the high acidity of the wine will accentuate the tomatoes.
    I’ve never had a SA merlot. I imagine it would pair fairly well, but if I am staring a a tempranillo or a Rhone, I would choose one of them. Probably the Rhone. They tend to go well with grilled and game food. London Broil isn’t game per se, but I think it possesses of the same characteristics.
    Rhone it is. Or finish that and drink the Tempranillo too. That solves your problem nicely.

    He then proceeded to get pissy, like a petulant child.

    Tell me, Jeddite:

    1) How was I not so obviously baited by such an obvious set up for me to be an arrogant ass about my wine knowledge?

    2) Wasn’t I just an arrogant ass in my arrogant ass-like answer?

  65. #265
    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:54 pm, zeroangel said:

    Chap:

    2) Wasn’t I just an arrogant ass in my arrogant ass-like answer?

    You were way too confident in your answer. It was kind of rude. Everyone knows that the only logical position concerning Barbera d’Asti is agnosticism. You can’t prove Barbera d’Asti is the worst choice!

  66. #266
    On December 5th, 2009 at 12:09 am, Dave Turson said:

    On December 4th, 2009 at 11:50 pm, chapoutier said:
    Wasn’t I just an arrogant ass in my arrogant ass-like answer?

    Yes, you were, but I think a better word for your methods is smart aleck. The world is filled with them nowadays.
    smart al·eck
    (plural smart al·ecks) or smart al·ec
    n
    conceited person: somebody who shows off his or her knowledge or always has the right answer in a way that annoys other people (informal)
    [Mid-19th century. Origin uncertain: perhaps named for an infamous New York pimp and confidence man of the 1840s Aleck Hoag.]

  67. #267
    On December 5th, 2009 at 12:09 am, John Deaux said:

    I don’t know chap, but I think you guys scared lgm away.

  68. #268
    On December 5th, 2009 at 12:11 am, chapoutier said:

    conceited person: somebody who shows off his or her knowledge or always has the right answer in a way that annoys other people (informal)

    The only way my knowledge annoyed WE82 was because it was from me. If you think that answer I provided was conceited, you should check your definitions, or your bias against me.

  69. #269
    On December 5th, 2009 at 12:14 am, Jeddite said:

    There is likely no way I can respond without looking biased, so the best way I can establish any level of objectivity is to state that I do not drink (true fact) and my experiences with wines are limited to explaining the difference between the $19.99 bottle of Merlot and the $5.99 bottle of Merlot to customers when I worked at a liquor store during undergrad (true fact).

    Having said that, from the context presented here, the only person who would fall for such a blatant use of the “REVERSE TROLLED” canard would be the person playing it, namely WarEagle82. I can’t imagine anybody would defend him, and I expect that those who might be inclined to do so could only /facepalm and feel embarrassed on his behalf.

    It’d be like me seeking advice about what kind of coffee to brew for some guests at a weekend brunch (I live in Seattle and hate coffee, also true fact), and then throwing a temper-tantrum because the person who gave me the best honest advice, based on the food I was preparing, was an out-spoken Obama supporter who favors the “public option” and thinks global warming is a more sinister threat to America than islamofacism.

  70. #270
    On December 5th, 2009 at 12:15 am, Jeddite said:

    Besides, how can you possibly ask a question about wine snobbery and genuinely not expect a wine snob answer? =]

  71. #271
    On December 5th, 2009 at 12:16 am, Dave Turson said:

    con·ceit·ed

    adj
    1. too proud: having or showing an excessively high opinion of your own qualities or abilities
    2. creatively witty: imaginative, fanciful, witty, or ingenious (archaic)

  72. #272
    On December 5th, 2009 at 12:17 am, chapoutier said:

    So Dave, was I excessive or too ingenious?

  73. #273
    On December 5th, 2009 at 12:17 am, zeroangel said:

    Besides, how can you possibly ask a question about wine snobbery and genuinely not expect a wine snob answer? =]

    Win.

  74. #274
    On December 5th, 2009 at 12:19 am, zeroangel said:

    Dave:

    Don’t you typically quote the Bible? Did you confuse it with the Dictionary?

  75. #275
    On December 5th, 2009 at 12:20 am, Dave Turson said:

    Archaic.

  76. #276
    On December 5th, 2009 at 12:20 am, chapoutier said:

    zero, I looked back on that entire “wine pairing thread.” Good times…good times…

  77. #277
    On December 5th, 2009 at 12:25 am, chapoutier said:

    so the best way I can establish any level of objectivity is to state that I do not drink (true fact)

    Don’t worry. I’ll drink enough for the both of us and you corrupt enough youth for the both of us.

  78. #278
    On December 5th, 2009 at 1:06 am, Jeddite said:

    I like how teh gayz are to blame.


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