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On December 6th, 2009 at 4:54 pm, cheapseat said:

We have a military that will not allow this to happen (hint: coup anyone?).

On December 6th, 2009 at 12:38 pm, happyscrapper said:

Didn’t Holder say that the reason he is bringing them here is to show the world our way of justice? How is it possible to show our justice system when we have to let these creeps walk?

I really don’t think any of these buffoons have given any detail of this a thought. Again, I think they plan on winging this.

They’ll make decisions as they go along.

Yes, they can have access to this evidence, no that appeal is not allowed.

If they would have thought of this, Holder would have consulted more than a couple people with nothing to do with anything. He would have consulted Obama (which I believe he did anyway), he would have consulted DHS, the FBI, etc.

It will be much worse than a kangaroo court.

They may let a lower level jihadi off, and give some higher level one a slap on the wrist and claim the system worked.

They may also allow this farce to go on forever, paying off the traitorous attorneys defending them who would allow convictions in the end anyway…as long as they are paid.

Nothing would surprise me with these nitwits.

Will anyone in DC stand up to this?

Not from the left. They want Bush/Cheney on trial.

From the right? They’re too busy sucking up to the left to be concerned over security of the peons.

On December 6th, 2009 at 12:28 am, Republicanvet said:

Problem is, I never thought Gitmo was a mess. Anything that happened there, whether true or not, was ALWAYS blown WAY out of proportion as an attack on Bush.

There was nothing wrong with where they were held, and nothing wrong with the tribunals.

I agree 100%. It was Obama who promised to “clean up the mess at Guantanamo.” When I spoke of him taking the “mess” at Gitmo and dumping it into America’s living room, I was refering to the terrorists themselves. They are the crap in the outhouse. Just moving the crap around is not cleaning up anything. It’s contaminating everything in its path.

On December 5th, 2009 at 3:45 pm, Dan Lee said:
All I can say is even at the risk of being ostracized by people we think (thought) cared about us, I.E. family & friends, if people want to win our country back, we’ll all have to sacrifice & go out on the limb with difficult discussions.

It is everyone’s duty to push people off the fence onto one side or the other. This is a war for our country, & there’s really no middle ground.

Here here. Well said.

The case will go on. The hearing will take place in New York.

The terrorists WILL indict the USA on the public stage, will present evidence against the USA, and the world will applaud the terrorists and boo the USA.

It will be a huge circus.

There is likely to be several terrorists attacks with a high loss of life and lots of terror in New York and elsewhere in the USA.

Holder, Obama, et al, will still pretend that they are wiser than the little dumb citizens and will walk with their noses in the air.

People are dumb enough to vote for Obama, and it is possible that He will be reelected no matter what, for, as his claques in Hollywood and the media all agree, he is the cat’s pajamas, He isn’t George W. Bush, and that’s all that counts.

On December 5th, 2009 at 11:39 pm, Papa Louie said:

That’s what Obama is doing. He’s taking the mess from Gitmo and dumping it into America’s living room. That is not cleaning up the mess, it is not making us safer, and it will not make our neighbors respect us more.

Problem is, I never thought Gitmo was a mess. Anything that happened there, whether true or not, was ALWAYS blown WAY out of proportion as an attack on Bush.

There was nothing wrong with where they were held, and nothing wrong with the tribunals. If they were taking a long time to get trials going, it was due to the amount of sniveling by the left.

Where are the al Queda/Taliban trials held? What kind of defense attorneys do people get from them?

Anyone know who the longest serving POW held by al Queda is?

Why are leftist nitwits never concerned with that?

First, Holder could win a conviction after a long and expensive trial. But to do so would require a suspension of the normal rights given to civilian defendants, such as change of venue, impartial jury, Miranda rights, disallowal of tainted evidence, right to confront witnesses, and so on.

So, such a conviction would be obtained with loaded dice and would be viewed by the world as a mockery of justice. It would not instill confidence in our judicial system nor would it encourage respect for American values.

Second, all rights normally given to the accused could be carefully bestowed on these terrorists. This would include throwing out all tainted evidence obtained by force or without a lawyer present, providing confidential documents to the defense, and allowing the defense to confront all witnesses (including waterboarders) and thus put them and their families at risk. The result would be a platform for the terrorists to put America on trial. It would end in either a hung jury or an acquittal.

In this case, the world would view us as a bunch of weenies who bow to our enemies and let them push us around. They would not develop a new respect for American values, nor would our security be improved by such a process. And if Holder decides to hold acquitted defendants indefinitely, there will be an outcry from the ACLU and other groups around the world that will make Gitmo look like a picnic. Any way you look at it, civil trials for these terrorists are a lose/lose proposition.

“There are no neat or easy answers here,” Obama said in a speech in which he pledged anew to “clean up the mess at Guantanamo.” Speaking at the National Archives, Obama said he wouldn’t do anything to endanger the American people.

“The record is clear: Rather than keep us safer, the prison at Guantanamo has weakened American national security.”

“It is a rallying cry for our enemies… By any measure, the costs of keeping it open far exceed the complications involved in closing it.”

Those are some of the reasons Obama gave for ordering the closing of Gitmo. But it is becoming clear that he was wrong on all counts. The complications of closing Gitmo are going to far exceed the costs of keeping it open.

Suppose the neighbors complain about an old outhouse in your backyard; so you promise to get rid of it. Do you “clean up the mess” by taking the contents of the outhouse and dumping them into your living room? Why not? If you’ve successfully handled a few dirty diapers in the past why can’t you handle a truck load of crap?

That’s what Obama is doing. He’s taking the mess from Gitmo and dumping it into America’s living room. That is not cleaning up the mess, it is not making us safer, and it will not make our neighbors respect us more.

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