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1. #101
   On December 8th, 2009 at 12:46 pm, stevevvs said:

   The GOP did fight slavery. However, Lincoln’s plan was to Free, then Deport! He had no intention to keep them here.

   http://www.amazon.com/Real-Lincoln-Abraham-Agenda-Unnecessary/dp/0761526463/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260294189&sr=1-1

   Lincoln was for Centralized Power. States Rights? Not old Honest Abe…

2. #102
   On December 8th, 2009 at 12:47 pm, Lindsay said:

   The Democraps must be desperate if this is all they have to pressure the vote by some type of guilt filibuster.

   The increased taxes do seem like slave reparations, so he got the subject correct. In turn we become enslaved to the never ending deficit thanks to this bunch of Congressional buffoons.

3. #103
   On December 8th, 2009 at 12:50 pm, yohannbiimu said:

   On December 8th, 2009 at 11:29 am, Cadman said:

   Called Senator Stabenow.

   She was too busy working diligently on the healthcare bill to talk to me. Instead I discussed the shortcomings of the bill her phone receptionist. He assured me that my views would be expressed to my Senator….. yeah, I think we both knew better.

   My real point of this post is to ask. What is the recourse????????? How do we answer these traitors, is there any at all besides WAITING? Every morning I wake up and see more of the bs getting shoved down our throats. I call, express my views and wake up again to the more of the same. Is there anything we can do?

   I’m assuming that you’re a Michigan resident…the bluest of blue places (as far as I’m concerned, it no longer deserves the mantel of “state,” since it no longer stands in ANY way whatsoever as an autonomous region). I live in Lansing, and I swear, there isn’t another place on Earth where love of government and lying politicians is stronger than here.

   I had a chance in 2006 to take a job in Tennessee, but I decided to stay here…BIG MISTAKE. If I only could have a re-do, I’d be out of this hopeless place so fast it would make Jennifer Granholm’s head spin…

4. #104
   On December 8th, 2009 at 1:04 pm, cicerokid said:

   …and tourists smell bad.

5. #105
   On December 8th, 2009 at 1:06 pm, yohannbiimu said:

   On December 8th, 2009 at 12:46 pm, stevevvs said:

   The GOP did fight slavery. However, Lincoln’s plan was to Free, then Deport! He had no intention to keep them here.

   http://www.amazon.com/Real-Lincoln-Abraham-Agenda-Unnecessary/dp/0761526463/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260294189&sr=1-1

   Lincoln was for Centralized Power. States Rights? Not old Honest Abe

   This is true. Abraham Lincoln was, for the most part of his administration, a despot, and he tried his best to make way for sending the freed slaves to places where they could colonize. He was solely responsible for the so-called “Civil War,” which is actually more accurately described as “The War for Southern Independence.”

   And, here’s something that history books don’t talk about, and that is the slave trade continued in states like Rhode Island and Connecticut during the Civil War, right under Lincoln’s nose. Everything that people think they know about “honest Abe” is total propaganda.

   I believe that Lincoln’s calloused attitude towards the slaves softened towards the end of the war, and he intended to reconstruct the union in a far less oppressive fashion than was done by the Union when he was assassinated; however, the “Civil War” originated from the issue of states’ rights–most notably whether states have the autonomy to separate from a centralized federal government. My view is that if they can’t do so, then they cannot be designated as “states.” Lincoln (and Lincoln alone) disagreed.

6. #106
   On December 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pm, yohannbiimu said:

   I think that the main issue today isn’t what Democrats and Republicans did over 150 years ago, because attitudes today are FAR off of what they were then. Of course it is proper to counter Senator Reid’s idiotic analogy of slavery to Republican opposition to Obowma’s power-grab of every industry in this country, but it is also off-base to accuse the Democratic Party as solely responsible for slavery and all of the oppressive actions resulting from it, AND to say that the Republican Party was a bulwark of emancipation of the slaves (since, after all, his “Emancipation Proclamation” freed no one, because it proclaimed slaves free ONLY in regions that the Union had NO military or legal jurisdiction).

   The issue today is whether small-”r” republican ideas (the rule of law) can survive for the good of all on one hand, and on the other we have an oligarchical hierarchy that is balkanizing this country, since dividing us helps them secure their all-encompassing power. It is (and always will be) the issue of whether we can stand as a nation of laws that protect the rights of its citizens, or will we become ruled by the whims of any moment’s circumstances and attitudes.

7. #107
   On December 8th, 2009 at 1:51 pm, DirkDiggler said:

   Funny how this paricular trait of the Democrats has continued through our history.

   Dems have always been the Party that was willing to ignore the “humanness” of some, for the convenience and economic benefit of others. That tendency–first clearly defined by their lack of moral concern about slavery—-helps explain their love-affair with abortion, and their plans for rationing healthcare.

8. #108
   On December 8th, 2009 at 2:11 pm, stillontheroad said:

   I may be mistaken but – regardless of the Civil War, and I learned also it was states rights, it was the Southern DemoRats that stood in the way of voting rights etc of African Americans. You know the likes of Lester Fullbright, G Wallace and lest we forget that fine example of humanity from West Virginia.

9. #109
   On December 8th, 2009 at 2:19 pm, Cadman said:

   On December 8th, 2009 at 12:50 pm, yohannbiimu said

   I live in Lansing, and I swear, there isn’t another place on Earth where love of government and lying politicians is stronger than here.

   I’m from the outskirts of Flint. I have decided that I’ve had enough of good ole Michigan. We are heading to Colorado in 2 years, if were not reduced to riding tricycles by then.

   We should rename Michigan to the Great Politicals’ State (or maybe the great screwball state?) I was blown away by Granholms outright lies during the last election, then again by Devos fumbling around and playing defense the whole debate. Also, what was up with Detroit electing Kilpatrick!! This state is full of lunatics.

   On a side note – were you not amazed when Obama put Granholm on his job creation team!! What a hoot. Might as well acquire Bernie Madoff for a financial consultant.

10. #110
    On December 8th, 2009 at 2:31 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    On a side note – were you not amazed when Obama put Granholm on his job creation team!! What a hoot. Might as well acquire Bernie Madoff for a financial consultant.

    That hinted to me immediately that Obowma is a pea-brained moron. How anyone with any intelligence whatsoever could consider Granholm for any so-called job creation and economic recovery advice is beyond rational comprehension. Imagine, Obowma wants to do for the REST of the U.S. that Granholm has done for Michigan. It boggles the mind.

11. #111
    On December 8th, 2009 at 3:33 pm, TK-421 said:

    On December 8th, 2009 at 11:29 am, Cadman said:

    Saddly with most of our so called “representatives” thats more and more the case, whats left to do is logical though it may not be what people want to hear, given the course of things theres only two options.

    What the 13 colonies did to England, or we set back and take it in much the same way the last few remaining kulaks of the USSR did. Of course ellections might solve it however, given that the POTUS can shoot down anything that congress sends its a stalemate, Sure it stops the ship sinking but its still half full of water. And given said administrations back handed manner of dealing it may just ignore it.

12. #112
    On December 8th, 2009 at 4:20 pm, Gorebot said:

    The question of primary importance is:

    Will the Idjiot American Electorate, in its aggregrate stupidity, allow this raping of the Constitution to continue?

    Or, will it wake up just enough to become non-Idjiot, and vote these craven Marxists out of power?

13. #113
    On December 8th, 2009 at 4:24 pm, Mainah said:

    Although the Judiciary Committee issued a favorable report on H. R. 7152 in November, the House Rules Committee still had to grant it a rule before it could be considered on the House floor and voted upon. It was the Rules Committee that determined when and under what conditions bills could be brought up for formal consideration by the entire House membership. Rules Committee chairman Howard W. Smith of Virginia, a longtime opponent of civil rights, refused to grant the bill a rule before the end of 1963. When civil rights advocates, including Congressman Celler, threatened to sign a discharge petition to free the bill from the Rules Committee, Smith promised to grant a rule early in January 1964. The Rules Committee finally cleared H.R. 7152 for floor consideration on January 30, 1964

    Howard Worth Smith (1883-1976), a Democrat of Virginia, served in the U.S. House of Representatives for thirty-six years, from 1931 to 1967. He was chairman of the House Rules Committee from 1955 to 1967. A conservative southerner, “Judge Smith,” as he was known, was a formidable roadblock to any civil rights legislation. In his home state of Virginia he led the fight to prevent integration of Virginia schools and to deny the power of the federal courts to nullify state laws. Occasionally, to delay legislation he did not approve of, he would retreat to his dairy farm in Fauquier County, earning him the nickname, “the Fox of Fauquier.”

    Senator Richard Russell, Democrat from Georgia, led the so-called opposition forces. The group was also known as the “southern bloc.” It was composed of eighteen southern Democrats and one Republican, John Tower of Texas. Although a hopeless minority, the group exerted much influence because Senate rules virtually guaranteed unlimited debate unless it was ended by cloture. The “southern bloc” relied on the filibuster to postpone the legislation as long as possible, hoping that support for civil rights legislation throughout the country would falter. The Democratic leadership and Humphrey could not control the southern wing of the party.

    The Republican Party was not so badly split as the Democrats by the civil rights issue. Only one Republican senator participated in the filibuster against the bill. In fact, since 1933, Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the twenty-six major civil rights votes since 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 % of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 % of the votes.

14. #114
    On December 8th, 2009 at 8:59 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    The question of primary importance is:

    Will the Idjiot American Electorate, in its aggregrate stupidity, allow this raping of the Constitution to continue?

    Or, will it wake up just enough to become non-Idjiot, and vote these craven Marxists out of power?

    The answer is of even more importance:

    We must plan for the former and hope for the latter.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

15. #115
    On December 9th, 2009 at 11:44 am, yohannbiimu said:

    On December 8th, 2009 at 4:20 pm, Gorebot said:

    The question of primary importance is:

    Will the Idjiot American Electorate, in its aggregrate stupidity, allow this raping of the Constitution to continue?

    Or, will it wake up just enough to become non-Idjiot, and vote these craven Marxists out of power?

    The problem is that the “news” media keeps telling the “Idjiot American Electorate” that what is going on before their very eyes ISN’T, and that everything will be okay, just so long as the insane people running things keep running things. It’s like somebody who says they’re going to fix a computer with a sledgehammer, and they keep whacking it over and over again, and even though everyone can see that doing that isn’t working, all of the IBM and Apple techs universally sing praises of how it IS working, and we just need to give it time to work BETTER.

    Einstein defined insanity by saying it is repeating the same actions over and over again, and yet expecting different outcomes. Very, very STUPID people do this too, so it’s only a matter of determining whether people like Obowma and Jennifer Granholm (both socialist-minded “progressive” Democrats) are incredibly stupid, or are they insane? Those are the only two options.

16. #116
    On December 9th, 2009 at 11:47 am, yohannbiimu said:

    oooh…I forgot of one more option, and that is they may simply be incredibly evil…so the options are either 1) stupidity, 2) insanity, or 3) evil.

17. #117
    On December 9th, 2009 at 4:47 pm, shimauma2 said:

    On December 9th, 2009 at 11:47 am, yohannbiimu said:

    4) greed…you forgot greed. somehow they can’t realize that if they destroy the taxpayers, they aren’t going to make as much themselves, seeing as how we pay their salaries…so that would make US the slaves wouldn’t it? 5) so add POWER HUNGRY to the list as well

18. #118
    On December 9th, 2009 at 4:48 pm, shimauma2 said:

    you know actually those last two might just be a subset of EVIL…