Hollywood & Howard Zinn’s Marxist education project

By Michelle Malkin  •  December 11, 2009 09:46 AM

Hollywood & Howard Zinn’s Marxist education project
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2009

The two most important questions for society, according to the Greek philosopher Plato, are these: What will we teach our children? And who will teach them? Left-wing celebrities have teamed up with one of America’s most radical historians to take control of the classroom in the name of “social justice.” Parents, beware: This Hollywood-backed Marxist education project may be coming to a school near you.

On Sunday, December 13, the History Channel will air “The People Speak” – a documentary based on Marxist academic Howard Zinn’s capitalism-bashing, America-dissing, grievance-mongering history textbook, “A People’s History of the United States.” The film was co-produced/written/bankrolled by Zinn’s Boston neighbor and mentee Matt Damon. An all-star cast of Bush-bashing liberals including Danny Glover, Josh Brolin, Bruce Springsteen, Marisa Tomei, and Eddie Vedder, will appear. Zinn’s work is a self-proclaimed “biased account” of American history that rails against white oppressors, the free market, and the military.

Zinn’s objective is not to impart knowledge, but to instigate “change” and nurture a political “counterforce” (an echo of fellow radical academic and Hugo Chavez admirer Bill Ayers’ proclamation of education as the “motorforce of revolution.”) Teachers are not supposed to teach facts in the school of Zinn. “There is no such thing as pure fact,” Zinn asserts. Educators are not supposed to emphasize individual academic achievement. They are supposed to “empower” student collectivism by emphasizing “the role of working people, women, people of color, and organized social movements.” School officials are not facilitators of intellectual inquiry, but leaders of “social struggle.”

Zinn and company have launched a nationwide education project in conjunction with the documentary. “A people’s history requires a people’s pedagogy to match,” Zinn preaches. The project is a collaboration between two “social justice” activist groups, Rethinking Schools and Teaching for Change. Rethinking Schools recently boasted of killing a social studies textbook series in the Milwaukee school system because it “failed to teach social responsibility.” A Rethinking Schools guide on the September 11 jihadi attacks instructs teachers to “nurture student empathy” for our enemies and dissuade students from identifying as Americans. “It’s our job to reach beyond this chauvinism.” And a Rethinking Schools guide to early childhood education written by Ann Pelo disparages “a too-heavy focus on academic skills” in favor of “social justice and ecological teaching” for preschoolers.

Teaching for Change’s objective, in Obama-esque fashion, is to train students not to achieve actual proficiency in core academic subjects, but to inspire them to “become active global citizens.” Today’s non-achieving aspirants are tomorrow’s Nobel Peace Prize winners, after all.

No part of the school curriculum is immune from the social justice makeover crew. Zinn’s partners at Rethinking Schools have even issued teaching guides to “Rethinking Mathematics: Teaching Social Justice by the Numbers” – which rejects the traditional white male patriarchal methods of teaching computation and statistics in favor of p.c.-ified number-crunching:

“Rethinking Mathematics is divided into four parts. The first part is devoted to a broad view of mathematics that includes historical and cultural implications. Part Two includes nine classroom narratives in which teachers describe lessons they have used that infuse social justice issues into their mathematics curriculum. Included here…an AP calculus lesson on income distribution. The third part contains three detailed classroom experiences/lessons. These include a physical depiction of the inequitable distribution of the world’s wealth, the results of a student investigation into how many U.S. Presidents owned slaves, and a wonderful classroom game called ‘Transnational Capital Auction’ in which students take on the role of leaders of Third World countries bidding competitively for new factories from a multinational corporation.

Short lessons, provocative cartoons, and snippets of statistics are scattered throughout Rethinking Mathematics. A partial list of topics includes racial profiling, unemployment rate calculation, the war in Iraq, environmental racism, globalization, wealth distribution and poverty, wheelchair ramps, urban density, HIV/AIDS, deconstructing Barbie, junk food advertising to children, and lotteries.”

Our students will continue to come in dead last in international testing. But no worries. With Howard Zinn and Hollywood leftists in charge, empty-headed young global citizens will have heavier guilt, wider social consciences, and more hatred for America than any other students in the world.

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  1. #1
    On December 11th, 2009 at 9:49 am, verogolfer said:

    We have Fox News. Conservatives need an alternative to the leftist history channel.

  2. #2
    On December 11th, 2009 at 9:52 am, Misscheryl said:

    I’ve come to expect this from the fruits and nuts in hollywood. I’m for shipping them all off to South America.

  3. #3
    On December 11th, 2009 at 9:54 am, letget said:

    Thanks for the head up, Michelle. This will be a not watch program at our home.
    Home school people if you can.
    L

  4. #4
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:00 am, Flyoverman said:

    I wrote the History Channel and told them how utterly disappointed I was in this production. History is far too improtant to be distorted by anyone for any reason.

  5. #5
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:01 am, jangar said:

    Home school people if you can.

    Little people, big people, neighbors, friends, associates, representatives…and those in the pew next to you. Get talking about it, and educate on the facts!

  6. #6
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:03 am, cwbois said:

    The Obama Hive Mind is coming

  7. #7
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:06 am, behiker said:

    Was Obama’s win a signal to the radical left to hit us with everything they’ve got and it is a do or die situation? It seems like every day there is something insane like this.

  8. #8
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:08 am, Flyoverman said:

    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:06 am, behiker said:

    It seems like every day there is something insane like this.

    Look on the bright side. When these things pop up, it can be like playing “Whack a Mole.”

  9. #9
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:09 am, pianoman said:

    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:06 am, behiker said:

    Was Obama’s win a signal to the radical left to hit us with everything they’ve got and it is a do or die situation? It seems like every day there is something insane like this.

    Yes it was. Welcome to the front lines in the war for our nation’s future.

  10. #10
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:14 am, JHSII said:

    I haven’t watched the “History Channel” since they went reality tv and started to ignore actual history. :evil:

  11. #11
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:15 am, rocketman said:

    ***
    The HISTORY CHANNEL, SCIENCE CHANNEL, and MILITARY CHANNEL provide some very good historical and learning programs also. And good (aka conservative) websites also give good learning and insight opportunities.
    ***
    I wish these sources had been present when I was young–although libraries and books were good then.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  12. #12
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:16 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    Part Two includes nine classroom narratives in which teachers describe lessons they have used that infuse social justice issues into their mathematics curriculum. Included here…an AP calculus lesson on income distribution. The third part contains three detailed classroom experiences/lessons. These include a physical depiction of the inequitable distribution of the world’s wealth, the results of a student investigation into how many U.S. Presidents owned slaves, and a wonderful classroom game called ‘Transnational Capital Auction’ in which students take on the role of leaders of Third World countries bidding competitively for new factories from a multinational corporation.

    UMMMM, I guess I have to be stupid to figure out how wealth distribution whould then require third world countries to HAVE to bid on new factories. Wouldn’t they just be built for free with said distributed funds? Would there STILL be third world countries after all of the wealth is distributed? No wonder liberalism is a disease. You have to have brain damage to think like them.

  13. #13
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:17 am, swede said:

    All is not lost. I had breakfast the other day with a friend who is a war veteran and retired high school history teacher of some 40 years. He is a fascinating guy. The school system still invites him as a special speaker to students on veterans and military history. He ends each presentation with this: “Two people have died for you. The first is Jesus who died for your salvation. The second is a soldier who died for your freedom. Never, never forget either.” Yes, in public schools!

    He gets a standing ovation every time, and the invitations are increasing.

  14. #14
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:20 am, joeswampy said:

    “Americans have been taught that their nation is civilized and humane. But, too often, U.S. actions have been uncivilized and inhumane.”
    Howard Zinn

  15. #15
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:29 am, spaceycakes said:

    But, too often, U.S. actions have been uncivilized and inhumane.”
    Howard Zinn

    and yet, the US suffers you to live, you ingrate.

  16. #16
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:32 am, YTZGal said:

    Thank goodness for the internet, and columnists like MM. Before, the collectivists would just march along and most parents would not be the wiser and teacher’s concerns would fall on deaf ears. Thank you, MM, for all you to do expose their continued “march through the institutions”. NOTHING is sacred to these people that can’t be politicized and corrupted for their own ends.

    I guess that’s why free speech on the Internet is in their sights too.

    Stay vigilant.

  17. #17
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:32 am, joeswampy said:
  18. #18
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:35 am, Pat said:

    Now that Obama has cut out the banks from students loans and has the feds lending to students directly, he will control what those students are doing in college as well. Student Loans, Removing the Banks

  19. #19
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:38 am, SpeakEasy said:

    So when their plan comes to fruition, to whom will these little stooges be enslaved? Is it time to re-think the union again? The answer is simple- the fed needs the states, the states DO NOT need the fed. Throw the lessons of the unions back in their faces- go on strike as a state. Let them know who is in charge.

  20. #20
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:39 am, xler8bmw said:

    I have it Tivoed just to see how off base the lies about our history is! Can’t wait for a good laugh at satire!

  21. #21
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:40 am, Boomer said:

    Good Morning All! Long time no post. Enjoying a day of use or lose leave in the middle of nowhere Idaho with balmy negative lows and highs in the teens this week. I used to enjoy the History channel, but have found they keep pushing more and more revisionist history (being a military history buff I can’t take the left leaning anymore). Too bad the American hating leftist cowards enjoying the fruits of liberty won by men and women of a caliber far great then they will be given another platform to preach their disgusting lies. It will be a very cold day in Hades before I will every watch this channel again. We are quickly reaching a tipping point in our household if the monthly cost of satellite service is worth it anymore.

  22. #22
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:44 am, stillontheroad said:

    I stopped watching the History Channel after I saw a short narrative describing the worlds despots and I saw pictures of Attila, Hitler, Stalin, and Bush flashing across the screen. I only saw it once but that was enough.

  23. #23
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:48 am, stillontheroad said:

    Howard Zinn this is for you. Tell me about Nanking, Singapore, The Phillipines, Ashwitz,Dachau,Warsaw,The Ukraine under Stalin and then tell me about Vietnam,Cambodia and Laos after the Dirty Democrats cut off funding for those countries.

  24. #24
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:49 am, graysonret said:

    Unfortunately, the History Channel has gone to the left and with revisionist history. I still have a library of old tapes/dvds that contain the shows they used to broadcast. We watch those. Sometimes, though, the channel shows some good stuff…again, usually the shows from a few years ago. I’m very disappointed in them.

  25. #25
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:55 am, graysonret said:

    Forgot to add that I’m a “life member” of the History Channel Club. The magazine is still decent.

  26. #26
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:58 am, Drained Brain said:

    When we have a president who starts off international speeches saluting “Citizens of The World,” an appellation of considerable significance in some circles, I wouldn’t be surprised if Zinn were to be appointed official White House Historian, or to be the next Medal of Freedom winner.

  27. #27
    On December 11th, 2009 at 11:03 am, Dimsdale said:

    One always wonder why Zinn and his ilk stay in this “terrible” country, when Cuba and Venezuela are so accessible.

  28. #28
    On December 11th, 2009 at 11:08 am, pueblo1032 said:

    I was suspect of this when I saw the names MATT DAMON, and DANNY GLOVER attached to it… My only question, wasn’t KEVIN SPACEY available??? Definitely a NOT WATCH in my house…

  29. #29
    On December 11th, 2009 at 11:13 am, graysonret said:

    One always wonder why Zinn and his ilk stay in this “terrible” country, when Cuba and Venezuela are so accessible.

    Because they are hypocrites. They, privately, love the money they are making. In the society they dream of, they wouldn’t make a dime; doing shows with a gun at their head.

  30. #30
    On December 11th, 2009 at 11:16 am, FilmLadd said:

    I have been waiting for just the right post to put this link in.

    Conservatives Suck At Supporting Their Own

  31. #31
    On December 11th, 2009 at 11:27 am, Laree said:

    Someone put the country on cruise control so they could party like it’s 1984.

  32. #32
    On December 11th, 2009 at 11:32 am, Laree said:

    Maybe The History Channel should do a segment on Oathkeepers?

    http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

  33. #33
    On December 11th, 2009 at 11:34 am, Laree said:

    When the Progressives get voted out of power and all this stuff is thrown on the ash heap. Where do all these fringe people go?

  34. #34
    On December 11th, 2009 at 11:40 am, whysoangry said:

    We put our children in private school starting in kindergarten. It’s expensive and it’s meant many sacrifices. When I read things like this I am grateful to have had the option.

  35. #35
    On December 11th, 2009 at 11:46 am, collinb said:

    More communist propaganda: Hallmark’s The National Tree.

    Collin
    http://evangelicalperspective.blogspot.com

  36. #36
    On December 11th, 2009 at 11:54 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    It’s obvious there has been an inequitable distribution of brains and common sense. How do these brain-challenged people end up in positions of influence? Egad!

  37. #37
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:01 pm, cheapseat said:

    if you have children or grandchildren in your schools, YOU need to apply for and work on your school board. get elected and stop this crap. WHY SHOULD YOU HOMESCHOOL WHEN YOU PAY TAXES TO HAVE YOUR CHILDREN TAUGHT, NOT INDOCTRINATED. FIGHT BACK ON THIS COMMUNIST TAKEOVER. RUN FOR LOCAL, STATE OR FEDERAL OFFICE. AS MICHELLE SAID, SECRETARY OF STATE COUNTS THE VOTES. LETS GET A FAIR COUNT BY ELECTING HONEST SECRETARIES OF STATE IN ALL 50 STATES.

  38. #38
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:03 pm, DavidJB said:

    This is just relativism. Why let facts get in the way when you can make up your own?

    The questions that ought to be posed to Zinn are “Why ought we use your text books over present textbooks? What makes yours ‘better’ than the ones in use?”

    This deserves to be demonstrated for the absurdity that it is: Fantastic Fairy Tales by Howard Zinn. Will he introduces elves and dwarves into his version of history? Maybe he can have talking bears and crying penguins too. After all, there are no pure facts in fairy tales.

  39. #39
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:04 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Surprise me! I had thought that the takeover of the schools by “social justice” revisionist had long been completed.

    (Here is a dark secret of my heart never before even whispered to anyone: When teacher astronaut Christa McAuliffe was lost in the shuttle disaster, I was like ~shrug~. During all the pre-flight teacher-in-space hoopla, I had heard some glowing account of her activities as a classroom teacher. The report happened to mention some unit that her children had recently finished that completely incensed me. Unfortunately, I can not recall the exact title that she had given it nor have I been able to recover this information in many Google sessions. But it was a classic Obama lesson before we had Obama. It was about our ~injustice~ and the great virtue of the world’s disadvantaged people, whom we presumably exploit. Was Christa a third-world Marxist? Probably not, in any explicit way. She probably was not much of a critical thinker at all and had merely absorbed all the anti-American, feel-good messages that the Left teaches, especially within schools of education and later “professional development.” Hell, Bill Ayers has long been a “distinguished” leader in setting directions for public education. Personally, I was very reluctant to abandon the idea of public education as it seemed to me that to do so was abandoning faith in the republic. But I ~have~ abandoned it. People should get their kids the heck out of public schools. And there should be righteous riots by citizens demanding that the government rebate to them, in the form of vouchers, their education tax dollars so that they can use them to give their kids the education that public schools no longer deliver.)

  40. #40
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:06 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    Matt Damon, Danny Glover, Josh Brolin, Bruce Springsteen, Marisa Tomei, and Eddie Vedder.

    Though some already nixed, I’ll check them off on my “Don’t ever let them have any of my patronage ever again.

    NY Area news reported that Springsteen was asked by Chris Christie to perform at his NJ Gov inauguration. Springsteen, not surprisingly, refused.

    When I was last at a Springsteen concert, he started yapping about the Iraq war and how he wanted the soldiers to come home from fighting a war that wasn’t legal… he went on to say that we have people from lots of “political persuasions” here.. and “everyone is welcome” here…. blah blah blah.

    Yeah…. everyone who is willing to fork over $150 a ticket is welcome huh Bruce?

    What a hypocrite.I haven’t been to one of his shows since, and will never return.

  41. #41
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:07 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    Trey Parker and Matt Stone (the creators and producers of South Park) need to get on this. They’d be sure to make a total mockery of these moronic shenanigans (complete with a “Matt Damon” who goes around saying nothing but “Matt Damon.”

  42. #42
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:26 pm, Ty85719 said:

    I always find it curious that the wealthiest, most pampered, self-indulgent elitests in our society, who happen to occupy the most inconsequential careers in the history of mankind (actors, directors, producers et al) DARE to envoke such words as, “The People.” They and their Marxist predecessors have shown time and time again that their ownly true concern is Power, and that they are completely disconnected from mainstream society.

  43. #43
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:31 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    Ty85719 said:

    They and their Marxist predecessors have shown time and time again that their ownly true concern is Power, and that they are completely disconnected from mainstream society.

    exactly

  44. #44
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:32 pm, spaceycakes said:

    When I was last at a Springsteen concert

    NJ–sorry to say, but that was a mistake.

    In Springsteen’s case, I have never found any talent there. And I’m old.

  45. #45
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:34 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Todays American kids will be making burgers and fries for the managers of the Chinese corporations who will take over American industry anyway. Oh yeah, no American industry left…

  46. #46
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:34 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    Off topic, but one of my favorite Parker-Stone moments: Pearl Harbor Sucks

  47. #47
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:35 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    In Springsteen’s case, I have never found any talent there. And I’m old.

    Just heard his “Santa Claus is Coming to Town” the other day and laughed out loud at his “singing” He’s terrible.

  48. #48
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:37 pm, Hangfire said:

    Great!!!!

    Now I can’t even watch the History Channel anymore.

    Of course, I’ll tell them I’m boycotting them.

    The channel pales in comparison to what it did 5 years ago anyway. They might as well call it the Hitler/UFO/Bigfoot channel.

  49. #49
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:40 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    The film was co-produced/written/bankrolled by Zinn’s Boston neighbor and mentee Matt Damon.

    Damon’s mother was a professor of early childhood education – you know he’d grow up to be a tool.

  50. #50
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:42 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    They might as well call it the Hitler/UFO/Bigfoot channel.

    Oh great, a channel devoted to Dem women.

  51. #51
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:46 pm, inspiredhome said:

    Do parents really need another reason to remove their children from government schools? Number one being that it is blatantly unconstitutional. The state has no business educating our children. God has given the parents the responsibility. We use the Noah Plan curriculum from Foundation for American Christian Education (face.net) It teaches history and all other subjects the right way, as God being central.

  52. #52
    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:52 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Oh nooooooo! Not Marisa Tomei! (siffle) :cry:

  53. #53
    On December 11th, 2009 at 1:00 pm, PhredE said:

    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:34 pm, yohannbiimu said

    Trey Parker and Matt Stone (the creators and producers of South Park) need to get on this. They’d be sure to make a total mockery of these moronic shenanigans (complete with a “Matt Damon” who goes around saying nothing but “Matt Damon.”

    LOL, oh I remember THAT movie! Funny stuff alright. Glad we have equally twisted senses of humor. Thanks for the reminder. Seriously though, I think you’re spot on. If anyone can mock anything, those guys could do it and well.

  54. #54
    On December 11th, 2009 at 1:01 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    The channel pales in comparison to what it did 5 years ago anyway. They might as well call it the Hitler/UFO/Bigfoot channel.

    Don’t forget about “ice road truckers” and “life after people.” Indeed, the former History Channel (now “History”) used to be a pretty good channel that actually had programs and specials about HISTORY. Now it’s crap. It used to be my favorite cable channel, but I can’t remember when I sat down and watched an entire program on it.

    Liberals don’t know how to do anything but crap on everything and make it suck.

  55. #55
    On December 11th, 2009 at 1:01 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    People should get their kids the heck out of public schools.

    Even public school teachers in Hawaii send their kids to private schools.

  56. #56
    On December 11th, 2009 at 1:01 pm, California Red said:

    Zinn’s book was the text in my California history class in 1995. The hispanic professor made me feel like crap for being a white male. I didn’t make waves, but I knew it was a slanted view of history.

  57. #57
    On December 11th, 2009 at 1:02 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    An all-star cast of Bush-bashing liberals including Danny Glover, Josh Brolin, Bruce Springsteen, Marisa Tomei, and Eddie Vedder,

    All-star bashers, but C-list “entertainers”.

  58. #58
    On December 11th, 2009 at 1:09 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    With obama in the presidency and a radically socialist Congress, the entertainment industry believes that it can spew radical anti-American ideas and suffer no cost. When the elections in 2010 and 2012 are over, these creeps will go back into hiding to await the next opportunity to damage America.

  59. #59
    On December 11th, 2009 at 1:11 pm, spaceycakes said:

    I love it in ‘Team America’, the way the puppets die. Sean Penn & Danny Glover get eaten by housecats. There are others as well, but the best is what happens to Janene Garafalo & Susan Sarandon. Watch it if you haven’t. hahahahhahaha!

  60. #60
    On December 11th, 2009 at 1:11 pm, madmonkphotog said:

    I wondered what this was. It is nothing more than propoganda.

    Thanks for the heads up.

  61. #61
    On December 11th, 2009 at 1:23 pm, Russ said:

    “Peoples’ History” bears as much resemblance to history as a “Peoples Democratic Republic” does to actual democratic republics.

    That is, none at all.

  62. #62
    On December 11th, 2009 at 1:26 pm, rambler said:

    It is not just Zinn’s book that is bad. All current text books are pathetic. Nothing like using Hollywood movies to teach history instead of good quality documentaries.
    My public school education was really great because the school system knew that the local parents were willing to sacrifice anything to give their children a private education, so the competition for the brightest students caused the public schools to do better. Over time I have watched as the public schools got arrogant and more controlling and parents more willing to accept what the schools were willing to do.
    Our schools are being run by politicians, bureaucrats and unions. None of these clowns know anything except how to keep their jobs and increase taxes. It’s time to let the public education system fail.
    I have spent considerable time and money to find materials to educate my children in spite of the lousy schools they attended. The more we pay in taxes, the less we get in quality for the money.

  63. #63
    On December 11th, 2009 at 1:34 pm, conservativesRus said:

    Teachers are not supposed to teach facts in the school of Zinn. “There is no such thing as pure fact,” Zinn asserts.

    So can we apply “no pure facts” to liberals paychecks?
    Funny how they get really snippy when I hand them a shiny copper coin and tell em it’s $1000 dollars – their pay for the week.

  64. #64
    On December 11th, 2009 at 1:38 pm, redbug70 said:

    History Channel recently ran WW-II in HD and it was pretty good. Typical of our times though, it had some PC elements to it. I waited for the condemnation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but it never really came. It was a reasonably fair treatment.

    On the other hand we are frequently told how Europeans destroyed the Native American culture in programs like The Real West, etc.

    I first read about the subject program a few weeks ago and knew immediately it was garbage. I often wonder why Bruce Springsteen and others like him who has prospered mightily in the USA are always critcizing it.

  65. #65
    On December 11th, 2009 at 2:08 pm, rjd27 said:

    I can’t find it at the moment, but is there a quote from either John Adams or Ben Franklin about the need of an educated or informed citizenry to sustain the Republic?

    Zinn’s project would appear to do the exact opposite.

  66. #66
    On December 11th, 2009 at 2:18 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah, I will unfortunately be occupied watching my DVD of Team America with Matt Damon . . . This show probably won’t do to well since a lot of folks stay up late Sunday evening to watch the repeats of those two sex kittens on HLN Nancy Grace and Joy Behar. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! How soon before they come out as Tiger’s number 12 & 13??!!

  67. #67
    On December 11th, 2009 at 3:22 pm, wren said:

    On December 11th, 2009 at 12:03 pm, DavidJB said:
    This is just relativism. Why let facts get in the way when you can make up your own?

    The questions that ought to be posed to Zinn are “Why ought we use your text books over present textbooks? What makes yours ‘better’ than the ones in use?”

    The other question Zinn should be asked is: WHERE ARE HIS FOOTNOTES?

    Zinn’s “People’s History” does include a bibliography, but he does not include footnotes. A bibliography is not enough to check his “facts”.

    If Zinn cannot back up his claims with footnotes, why should anybody believes what he says?

  68. #68
    On December 11th, 2009 at 3:26 pm, happy2behere said:

    That wouldn’t be a bad college class to laugh at from the back row.

    But for children it is indoctriantion and unapologetic at that. Shame on them. So much for letting your children grow up then chose their own religion.

  69. #69
    On December 11th, 2009 at 3:27 pm, Savage24 said:

    What did you expect from this administration and Marxist run government. Bashing America has become a national past time with this corrupt bunch. It’s time to re-cycle the whole damned bunch.

  70. #70
    On December 11th, 2009 at 3:58 pm, swede said:

    cheapseat said:
    if you have children or grandchildren in your schools, YOU need to apply for and work on your school board. get elected and stop this crap. WHY SHOULD YOU HOMESCHOOL WHEN YOU PAY TAXES TO HAVE YOUR CHILDREN TAUGHT, NOT INDOCTRINATED. FIGHT BACK ON THIS COMMUNIST TAKEOVER.

    A long uphill battle at best cheapseat. Meanwhile, my grandchildren will not be exposed to this immoral, socialistic and mindless indoctrination. Period. It would damage their cognitive development as well as their values. Not going to happen.

  71. #71
    On December 11th, 2009 at 4:36 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:

    I think that the political realities suggest that abandonment of the public schools and the demand for vouchers is the way to go.

    The moral high ground is important. And we have the high ground in demanding that we not be taxed to politically indoctrinate our children. A serious demand that government turn money back for the citizens to control could, potentially, spark a massive and irresistible citizen uprising.

    The Left has completed their “long march through the institutions,” and we can never hope to win back the educational “institution.” Occasionally, we may win a battle when pushing back against a hot-button issue. But the general public can only occasionally be roused; the education establishment is completely owned by the Leftist viewpoint. We may, for example, embarrass them and stop them from giving lessons to kids that involve putting condoms on bananas. But while we are settling back to celebrate our victory, they will be pushing the gay agenda in a hundred other ways. Ditto their environmental agenda, their anti-American agenda, their anti-capitalist agenda, their world government agenda, etc., etc. Literally millions of leftists have made it their “profession” to push these agendas in the schools (and other institutions). Any victories that conservatives win within the institutions will be temporary and limited.

    OTOH, people will understand that in taking the schools away from these people and putting them under parental choice, we can and will win a great permanent victory. The goal is obtainable. Once you establish, for example, a Christian school run by a local religious community, then that schools is likely to be unassailable by the Left and will permanently preserve and pass on the desired values. (I use “Christian” only as one example, as Christian groups already have a long, successful track record in education.)

    (Candor compels me to admit that a tremendous victory for the people has recently been won against the leftist school bureaucrats in my own home territory. Our new board will throw out a few rascals and institute a few reforms. But the majority of people coming into public education will continue to lean left and to be supported in their leanings by the government. Inevitably, they will start to push back and — unless the citizens are constantly vigilant — will recover their losses. And the citizens will not remain constantly vigilant.)

    The answers is private schools supported from education taxes made available through vouchers. It is fair; it is democratic; and it has political appeal.

  72. #72
    On December 11th, 2009 at 6:18 pm, jamesgreenidge said:

    cheapseat said:
    if you have children or grandchildren in your schools, YOU need to apply for and work on your school board. get elected and stop this crap. WHY SHOULD YOU HOMESCHOOL WHEN YOU PAY TAXES TO HAVE YOUR CHILDREN TAUGHT, NOT INDOCTRINATED. FIGHT BACK ON THIS COMMUNIST TAKEOVER.

    I concur and a half. We just can’t retreating into a box like this. Overall, we’re losing the vast majority of kids to school PC/Green/Lib agendas which go virtually unopposed. To just say homeschool your kids leaves libs more funds — your funds — to indoctrinate others with. Etc, etc. The Dems now unbashedly aim to ultimately turn Conservatives into dinosaurs and they’re doing well at the roots of the grass — our kids. I pray there’s a Cap & Trade tea party soon because I fear we lost on health care, and unless it’s repealed we’ll never get that chunk of our wallets back.

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

  73. #73
    On December 11th, 2009 at 6:47 pm, Dan Lee said:

    Definitely need to do some public book burnings.. Pile them up, light em’ up, & then call the media!

    Don’t stay there, because Obama’s EPA Police will come & get you! ;)

  74. #74
    On December 11th, 2009 at 8:05 pm, swede said:

    jamesgreenidge said:
    cheapseat said:

    Your points are valid and well taken, until it comes down to decisions we have to make regarding our own children and grandchildren. The posts MM has put up in the last few days on GLSEN and revisionist history are only the tip of a very ugly iceberg. My daughter in law is a public school teacher. She knows the game the unions play, the curriculum, social agenda and values (or lack thereof) in the system, and will not have her children in public schools. My son agrees, as do I. I will assist them to cover her lost salary to home school their kids.

    In addition to the warped values and indoctrination, public schools are failing to give kids even basic skills. They are graduating students who are functionally illiterate. I would be much more inclined to support and work toward starting a charter school than trying to reform the public school system. Regardless, I would go to jail before giving those people my children.

  75. #75
    On December 11th, 2009 at 8:16 pm, Leatherneck said:

    How strange. I read the same format on the UN’s Lucis Trust web site.

  76. #76
    On December 11th, 2009 at 10:56 pm, Drews2Cents said:

    Here’s some warm and fuzzy math for ya…

    Publicly educated young american muslim student + Koran + “Social Justice” indoctrination course = X

    X=?

    What could go wrong?

  77. #77
    On December 12th, 2009 at 1:31 am, rightwingrocker said:

    Reason 4,622 why I am no longer a public school teacher …

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  78. #78
    On December 12th, 2009 at 8:14 am, radio relay said:

    Well, General Electric and Time Warner own the so-called History Channel. So, what do you expect?

    Haven’t you noticed that the so-called History channel is either all WWII all the time (the one and only “good” war to lefties), or stupid “reality” shows, or lefties visions of the future.

    I only watch it on rare occasions when there is nothing else to do … like wash my bald spot.

  79. #79
    On December 12th, 2009 at 8:29 am, ThatSamIAm said:

    If more and more people would call these current hollywood communists out and stop going to their movies it would have an impact.

    Me and my family won’t watch Depp, Damon, Penn, Clooney, Glover, Cusak and several others that like to rip America and play footsies with Chavez. I won’t line their pockets with my money so they can be happy traitors to our country.

  80. #80
    On December 12th, 2009 at 8:47 am, jangar said:

    If more and more people would call these current hollywood communists out and stop going to their movies it would have an impact.

    I think the state of our economy is doing that naturally. Lots of folks are choosing to stay home and do family things, as opposed to going to the movies and loosing their shorts at the cash register. Had to take my bunch to see New Moon when it first came out…one 20 oz bottle of plain old water was $3.50! This will be my last trip to the cinema.

  81. #81
    On December 12th, 2009 at 9:45 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    One fight at a time? We are losing right at the moment. Our children do make tempting targets for these traitors don’t they? From Fisting to Heather Has Two Mommies to “We are the World” and Empathy for our Enemies, TARP, and Obama appoints ever more Leftist to the courts and bureaucracy we are losing.

    With these Leftist, perverts, socialist/fascist so close to total control over our lives do any here feel they will really allow anything so insignificant as a “Bill of Negative Rights” mandated election stop them? I fear, and I mean FEAR, not. Should it look as if they lose too many seats in the off year election something will happen: some “Man Made Disaster”, some great calamity, a Reichstag moment, some reason for a stay.Then Howard Zinn will have power unfettered, William Ayres can finally make his move and all will be peace and love-except for the unrepentant in the camps of course.

    Or it might be our moment to push back, ignore the whiners, and remember our heritage of Concord/Lexington, Valley Forge, King’s Mountain and “We the People of These United States”.

    Pray for the Day of Reckoning.

  82. #82
    On December 12th, 2009 at 9:54 am, stillontheroad said:

    Well, besides WW2 etc – White Supremacists – the real Story, Under cover with the KKK, The truth about the Aryan Nations etc etc. I never see anything regarding the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, La Raza, ecc.

  83. #83
    On December 12th, 2009 at 11:01 am, yohannbiimu said:

    On December 12th, 2009 at 9:54 am, stillontheroad said:

    Well, besides WW2 etc – White Supremacists – the real Story, Under cover with the KKK, The truth about the Aryan Nations etc etc. I never see anything regarding the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, La Raza, ecc.

    Well you see, folks like the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, and La Raza are the sort of “The People” who programs like this will likely highlight as those brave enough to “Speak.” Kinda like how Maurice Clemmons is a heroic figure because he slaughtered those White police officers in cold blood, except you might not see HIS exceptional “bravery” depicted (seeing as how it only happened a few weeks ago).

    There is no getting around the fact that Clemmons and his ilk are “the good guys” as far as the Howard Zinns and Hollywood types are concerned. When Trey Parker and Matt Stone showed how these idiots would make friends with Kim Il Song in their film Team America: World Police, they weren’t joking. That is who these folks are, and they knew it. These people will get in bed with anyone, just so long as they aren’t Americans who love the United States and its founding institutions.

    Parker and Stone CAN blow the lid off of these subversive scumbags, and I hope that they do.

  84. #84
    On December 12th, 2009 at 11:18 am, yohannbiimu said:

    When Trey Parker and Matt Stone showed how these idiots would make friends with Kim Il Song Kim Jong-Il in their film Team America: World Police, they weren’t joking.

    There, fixed that.

  85. #85
    On December 12th, 2009 at 11:27 am, Dimsdale said:

    Check out http://www.radicalteacher.org. I was exposed to this at ultralefty UMASS Amherst.

  86. #86
    On December 12th, 2009 at 1:57 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On December 12th, 2009 at 11:27 am, Dimsdale said:

    Check out http://www.radicalteacher.org. I was exposed to this at ultralefty UMASS Amherst.

    One daughter went to one of the more Radical Chic schools for graduate work and we did worry. Could they turn her? As with Dimsdale they did not. Fortunately she has her mother’s good looks and my rather “different” sense of humor. Terrible jokes she and her roomies told of their Professor-terrible. Damn I was proud.
    To this day she sends her Graduate Assistant-now an associate professor- Tusk and Trunk newsletters. College girls are mean ;) . Proud I am- sense of humor and all.

  87. #87
    On December 12th, 2009 at 3:46 pm, Send_Me said:

    Homeschooling anyone?

  88. #88
    On December 12th, 2009 at 3:56 pm, inspiredhome said:

    With every child that leaves the government system, money goes with them. Keeping your children in is foolish for a number of reasons. One being that government run education is unconstitutional. Two that public schools have been corrupted through and through. Learn the history of public education—the fathers of modern public education were humanists and anti-Christian to the core. If we continue taking our children out of the public school system the schools will lose money. Even poor and single parents are homeschooling. It’s up to the churches and local communities to support the education of our children, NOT THE STATE. There is no excuse. Get them out now.

  89. #89
    On December 12th, 2009 at 6:28 pm, rightisright said:

    Matt Damon, Danny Glover, Josh Brolin, Bruce Springsteen, Marisa Tomei, and Eddie Vedder.

    Though some already nixed, I’ll check them off on my “Don’t ever let them have any of my patronage ever again.

    My list of acceptable entertainers has reduced my options to a nil…that’s ok, I’d rather not put a dime in any of their pockets…the un-America traitors they are.

    Here’s a list of the Hollywood Whiners

  90. #90
    On December 12th, 2009 at 7:02 pm, frontierguy said:

    I’m so tired of hearing people like Matt Damon saying the way things should be while living their garish lifestyles. I think Damon is single, therefore he needs to walk the walk. There is no reason why a single person in southern california needs more than 100k a year. I don’t think he should be entitled to more than 700 sq. ft. living space either. I hope he doesn’t think he is exempt to the system he wants to be in place. Hollywood should be restricted to a pay scale based on family size and necessities. I want to hear Damon calling for this, otherwise, STFU!

  91. #91
    On December 12th, 2009 at 7:34 pm, purealchemy said:

    All these threads are dead.

    Where’s the weekend open-thread?

  92. #92
    On December 12th, 2009 at 9:56 pm, purealchemy said:

    Tyler Perry’s mom inspiration Madea has died.

  93. #93
    On December 12th, 2009 at 10:02 pm, purealchemy said:
  94. #94
    On December 12th, 2009 at 10:31 pm, purealchemy said:
  95. #95
    On December 13th, 2009 at 1:25 am, Dimsdale said:

    On December 12th, 2009 at 1:57 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On December 12th, 2009 at 11:27 am, Dimsdale said:

    Check out http://www.radicalteacher.org. I was exposed to this at ultralefty UMASS Amherst.

    One daughter went to one of the more Radical Chic schools for graduate work and we did worry. Could they turn her? As with Dimsdale they did not. Fortunately she has her mother’s good looks and my rather “different” sense of humor. Terrible jokes she and her roomies told of their Professor-terrible. Damn I was proud.
    To this day she sends her Graduate Assistant-now an associate professor- Tusk and Trunk newsletters. College girls are mean ;) . Proud I am- sense of humor and all.

    Clearly, both your daughter and I had the benefit of marvelous, hands-on parents. I, too, am in academics, still keeping my head low in Western Mass. (at least until I get tenure!)

    Now get to work on your grandchildren! ;-)

  96. #96
    On December 13th, 2009 at 6:04 am, jamesgreenidge said:

    Well, I guess the kids in Houston have another great PC role-model leader now.

    Are we just spinning wheels before lib juggernauts in the morals war?

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

  97. #97
    On December 13th, 2009 at 9:58 am, Roland said:

    Are we just spinning wheels before lib juggernauts in the morals war?

    Pretty much. Decaying civilization and all that. The rot always wins in the end.

    Nevertheless, the fight matters. It always matters. Even if each of us alone is just a drop falling into the sun, we have to resist.

    God requires it.

  98. #98
    On December 13th, 2009 at 3:07 pm, Dan Lee said:

    Leftist in Italy attacks Conservative Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi Leaving his Face Bloodied & several contusions.

    The election of Barack Obama,extreme leftist, & faux “leader of the free world” has emboldened leftist nutroots everywhere. It’s time for the minutemen to emerge & be ready..

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,580131,00.html

  99. #99
    On December 13th, 2009 at 6:00 pm, purealchemy said:

    Dan Lee:

    There is another battlefield that will get you more traction.

    Learn to use the media.
    The media is the massage.

  100. #100
    On December 13th, 2009 at 10:41 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On December 13th, 2009 at 6:00 pm, purealchemy said:

    There is another battlefield that will get you more traction.

    Learn to use the media.
    The media is the massage.

    Swedish massage?

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