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It was likewise a long process, primarily one of entropy by which we’ve come to this point in government. Fighting entropy may be futile. But, it’s the fight I’ve got and I believe in humankind.

At some point, though, Rome DID fall, and no doubt there were those who warned of it but were ignored. I think it is important to not always write off the concerns of folks like Dan as “Kos Kids” talk anymore than it was to write them off. Each idea should be evaluated and discussed on the merits. Ignoring it has a way of looking like proof of their assertion.

Good points all.

For me, I feel like I am to do all I can sans armed rebellion for as long as I can until the other side makes it absolutely impossible for me to do so any longer.

Another valid point and pretty much my own position.
I have one other concern and that is, the safety and welfare of my family. That consideration will be foremost in my mind. Even should I be recalled to active duty or to the State Guard.

If you advocate armed insurrection, I oppose you and you will have to fight me as well.

I’ll stand with swede on this and can probably bring about three dozen retired SEALs, Rangers and SF people with me to watch his back and beef up his FEBA.

Well, to pose a question not asked of the fight with votes crowd, what happens when that fails?

Expecting it to fail presupposes an outcome that isn’t necessarily true. First, try using the system. That means figuring out, that all politics is local. Meaning that make sure you don’t get reapportioned out of power by electing conservatives at the lower levels of government and up into the state legislatures. Hopefully,you did that in the 2009 election season like we did where I live. We’ll continue in 2010 especially since we have one and possibly two US Senate seats up for re-election/election. Likewise, we’re campaigning against the few Democrats in the House in our area. Remember, money talks. Remember too that blocks of votes count. Use the strategy that put the Republicans behind the wheel in 1992-1994 and the Democrats in the same place in 2006-2008. It worked and continues to do so.

Or what happens if we are succesful enough in our aims that the remaining Liberal Dems support a call of national emergancy from Obama? He has repeatidly stated that in his goals to support that.

That sounds a lot like one of those Daily Kos types talking about how the ‘demon’ Booosh was going to steal the 2004 election and then keep himself in power. Get real! It won’t fly, not because anyone fears your mighty Smith and Wesson or your AR-15 but rather that it might just cause the money to dry right up by scaring China into pulling its investments out and George Soros, Ms. Heinz and company haven’t got that kind of money. It would suddenly cause Congress to run out of OPM.

Or if he gets his national security force? Or uses underhand tactics by proxy to change the constitution by law? And does it matter if those laws or corrupt and not just so long as it is law? Does it matter how the constitution is? Or so long as we have one that answers to DC? I mean is it the ideas of the paper that make America or the Paper its self? Would a constitution torn asunder still be it in your eyes? Or is it only broken when someone rips the paper up?

He could very well get his Okhrana. That would be frightening indeed. But, he hasn’t and it’s up to you to stop it not by running scared of boogeymen that don’t exist. But rather by convincing your neighbors that it would be a bad idea to support anyone who supports the idea of a “National Civilian Defense Force”. You don’t do that by sounding or acting like a hysterical high strung filly.

Likewise your idea that it’s easy to change the Constitution. There’s a process for amending the Constitution and it takes a ratification vote by the legislatures of two thirds of the States. Again that’s why taking back the State houses with people who believe in small government and who have a strong moral character.

I’ve seen too many soldiers of more modern times who are a-political or worse yet politically reliable to those in DC.

Just exactly how many of the 447,000+ of us do you know? How well do you know them? I spent 30 years in the Army and can only claim to know a few hundred well enough to know their politics and maybe a couple of thousand (currently serving) at all. I can only claim to know the politics of one serving Flag Officer and no other Naval Officer and a scant few enlisted people in the Navy. I know a dozen or so Marine Officers and a few enlisted, likewise Air Force personnel. So it seems just a bit odd that you seem to know so much about men and women whose politics you likely will never have heard and in the General and Flag Officer ranks whose battles behind closed doors with bureaucrats and political hacks you’d never know anything about. Unless of course, Sir, you are one of those General Officers or Flag Officers, in which case, I’d respectfully still beg to differ with you.

Thus unlike some the fact you worn a uniform means little to me. Your chracter is what matters to me. Would General George S Patton Jr and his generation have stood for this?

I’d probably say you don’t know Sh*t about me. General George S. Patton Jr. was a good tactician and a fair to middlin’ strategist. He was ineffective at anything but a wartime field command. I am sure that were he alive today he’d be well versed in counter-insurgency warfare and if he were still serving, be applying the tenets thereof in new and imaginative ways in dealing with our current enemies. But he’d be totally flummoxed by the political realities of our government today and probably retired as a major during the Clinton draw down.

If the economic system can be uspured why not the rest?

Why not? That’s precisely what a lot of us are working hard to prevent.

Its clear Europe our so called ally support this leftist agenda and funnles funds.

Is it? Can you show me proof of this allegation? I’d be interested in finding out more. I’m serious here.

Its clear the Chinese support it, not as its something they support but know it will weaken us.

That’s the truth and very apparently so to anyone with half a brain. Too bad the people that were voted in can’t see it. Maybe that’s why we should educate the voters to provide them with the information and outrage that they’re being sold down the river by the ‘good ol’ boys’ and girls like Pelosi, Murtha Reid and Boxer. Although, it’s possible Nevada gets it about Reid. But then again, I was disappointed by Pennsylvania and their re-election of Murtha.

So just how will votes change a system thats rotten. At what point is getting a lesser evil enough?

Why settle for a lesser evil? Why not find better, stronger minded and willed candidates? Why not demand from them that they fundamentally change the system? Demand smaller less intrusive government. Demand that your candidates be faithful, honest and loyal. Understand that a faithless husband is a faithless and untrustworthy man. Understand that a man may be judged by the company he keeps. e.g., if he’s an ex field grade or General Officer, how many who served with him are serving on his election committee. If there are a number of the senior and junior members of his staff on his staff still, he’s probably worthy of a good hard look. Otherwise, he’s another Eikenberry or Clark and useless as teats on a boar hog.

Of course now is not the time to reble, nor am I saying that, I’m asking what would be that point?

The point is, you can’t win if you don’t try or at least enter. Quitting is an answer, I suppose. But it’s not one I’ll accept. I learned to survive fishing the Pacific Ocean, I found out that the key to survival when facing a force four storm in a sixteen foot boat is to never quit on yourself or the crew. That was reinforced in the Q course and again and again in combat on three continents and over nine campaigns. So you do what you want to do, I’m going to fight this campaign and the next till I’m either dead or I’ve won. I’m not telling you to do it. Just what I’m going to do. Your choices are your own to make.

On a parting note I seen you mentioned Amatures talk tactics, professionals talk logistics? Well I also recall there is another rule to Military Reassoning which you’ve shown a compleat lack on or have taken for granted in your views.

Realistic Objectives, and mission planning of the Situation. We have a nearly 50/50 split on views however most leftist live in major cities thus getting more of the vote by population density.

No, I was speaking of the weaknesses of most militias when I spoke of the importance of logistics.
I understand more than you may wish to credit me with how to write and execute a five paragraph Ops Order. I also, have had some modest amount of rather expensive training that you and every other taxpayer spent on to teach me how to influence people to change or support a government.

Its a fact that the Tea Partties haven’t blocked one thing, why whould Congress criters fear you the stupid voter?

Well, most folks would say that the issue of effectiveness of the Tea Party movement has yet to be determined yet. Why don’t we let history be the judge. The battle ain’t over till it’s over.

I don’t know, but it appears to me that members of Congress ran scared from us all summer. The fact that ObamaCare hasn’t passed yet is at least in some small part due to the potential threat that barring some wonderful thing on the domestic or national front happening to make them forget. The people who vote have kept Mr. Reid from being able to push their bill through the Senate.

He can arrange demograhps to insure his/her rule, and not to matter if they are beaten Obama has promised them positions as Ambassadors, which argueablly under the Obama Admnistration forigen policy has now influanced Domestic.

Maybe, but that’s why you make sure to build from the bottom up in the off year elections for everything from school board to the state legislature. At that point, reapportionment except in your favor can’t happen no matter what a US House or Senate member may want.
Yes, Mr. Obama can give away patronage jobs left, right and center. When it’s all over and he’s gone in 2012 like Jimmy Carter was in 1980, the new guy will graciously accept their resignations and appoint his own ‘special friends’ to those positions.

I think that Martin Luther King were he alive today and even Gloria Steinem would differ with you about how the movements that they were leaders in came to be accepted. It was a gradual process that for women began in the late 18th Century here in the United States and continued making radical leaps forward in the 1940s during WWII and in the 1960s with the expansion of the US economy during the Cold War. Civil Rights started with the Founding Fathers here in the United States with the novel concept that everyone was endowed with certain rights. Some minorities, like most asians still are still legally discriminated against whereas more numerous black and hispanic groups are not. However, if you’re speaking of black civil rights, then 1863 (Emancipation Proclamation) marks one of the earlier points in the attainder of civil rights. No, it was a long process for both. It was likewise a long process, primarily one of entropy by which we’ve come to this point in government. Fighting entropy may be futile. But, it’s the fight I’ve got and I believe in humankind.

So don’t try to Monkee around with me young lady.. >:)

Heh, I was in mini-skirts and go-go boots when you were still in nappies.