Public school lunacy of the day
A second-grader in Taunton, MA was kicked out of school, suspended, and ordered to undergo a mental evaluation for…
…drawing a picture of Jesus Christ on the cross.
(Hat tip: Michael Graham)
One picture of Jesus gets a kid booted from the classroom.
But Fort Hood killer Nidal Hasan’s years of jihadist threats got him…a promotion and access to open season on our troops.
And GLSEN founder Kevin Jennings’ not-safe-for-school radical activism got him…a job as Safe Schools czar.
Lunacy.
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Actually, chapoutier, Romans 1:20 talks about the things of God being clearly seen and so people are without excuse.
Back to the real point of this post….
This stuff has been going on for years.
About 4 yrs ago, when my boys were in high school, they were told to do a report on a career they were interested in and to illustrate the report.
One of my boys did a report on joining the military and drew pictures of soldiers carrying…..”gasp!” guns.
He was taken to the office and I was called about his violent pictures. I asked them if they expected soldiers to be carrying feathers and to leave him alone and basically shut up or I’d call my lawyer.
They did. But my point is, this has been going on. It is just now becoming public knowledge.
Jeff, who’s your professor?
Are you back in school?
beachmom!
I made a look-a-like of Desiree Rogers and that Avatar chick. Did you see it?
There is no “proof” for God’s existence. Neither is there proof God doesn’t exist. The most purely rational position is to be agnostic.
lulz Attending college at age 49. Funny how prof’s shut up when called on their politics. My Physics prof, has an open mind and strongly disagrees with AGW. The kids in class need some serious education. Everyone here should take one class and help.
Phoenix College in, you guessed it, Phoenix,AZ
Zero tolerance means no accountability…e.g. our hands are tied… Bravo Sierra.
OMG! Jeff, you are on LOL cats?
What degree are you pursuing?
Just on occasion…Not sure about the degree…may just stay in school until retirement age. Seems the safe way in this economy.
This is just over reaction to Columbine and etc. Remember that Eagle Scout recently suspended for having a pocket knife in his trunk. These liberal education elites are blind to the fact that it is their own devaluation of human life vis a vis teaching evolution (i.e. humans are really only “lucky mud”) and advocating abortion, etc. The consequences should be obvious.
Zero tolerance is zero accountability.
It is more than that. It is the monkeys on their backs.
Teachers and administrators know that Columbine and etc. upped the anty for all of them.
Would you want to be in their shoes?
Would you want to be under the kind of intense public scrutiny they are charged with?
If one little thing goes bad, the piling on would be horrific.
I’m not saying this is right or best, but that is the fear they live with. To protect their livelihood.
It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy…Teachers scared of students overreact to stuff.
That is not a proof. That is, at best, “OMG! I can’t believe you don’t believe! I mean come on…It’s soooo totally obvious!” To paraphrase a bit.
Chaps, would you knock it off with the faux Valley Girl routine.
Obviously, Chaps has paid NO attention to my post.
Why doesn’t anyone listen to me!!!!
STELLAAAAA!!!!!
I read it. I agree that there is no proof of God. But my point was that, when arguing with an atheist about his beliefs, which hinges on a presumption that such can be proven, it is silly to cite the Bible.
Chaps, I agree that it is silly to cite Bible for that reason.
And I agree that the presumption that it can be proven is false.
And frankly, I have no idea why believers waste their time that way.
Chaps, sorry to say but the verses in Romans do apply and you will be without excuse on that Great Day. You can say that there is no proof and be in denial but it won’t work when that day comes. Not sure what you are gaining and with everything to lose by not believing.
Theology as a proof is a lost cause.
chap – If you actually read Aquinas, you must be familiar with Summa Theologica in which he offered what have become the five classical proofs for God, and based on the Bible. The proofs are not western empirical proofs like Descartes and you like, but rely on inductive thinking. Even Descartes became conversant with the Bible before attempting to refute it.
At any rate, per Descartes, I can only know that I exist, therefore you must be only a figment of my warped imagination. I kind of like that. I may give that some more thought.
I gain lots by being atheist. For one, not having to feel guilty about not attending church.
And fearing the consequences of your sincerely held beliefs is a piss poor reason to abandon them.
Theology is flawed by its own definition.
Chaps, I am a believing Christian and I haven’t gone to church since I was a youth. My parents didn’t even take me to church because they were divorced.
I went later with a cousin, but that is not where my faith was born.
His proofs are not at all dependent on the Bible. He cites it tangentially, but he never claims the Bible, in and of itself as any sort of proof.
You can only know that you exist, not that only you exists.
chaps, none of this matters except the pressure you allow other family and friends to exert on you.
Does our hostess expect this?
I think we agree the school over-reacted.
Thus proving the validity of Scripture. And why am I conversing with my imagination? Most likely, you are merely a piece of undigested beef. You forgot to cite Scrooge.
Chap,, attending church doesn’t make you a Chrstian anymore then going to McDonalds makes you a hamburger. I made my choice years ago and have not regretted it at all. Remember our human lives here on earth are very small in length compared to eternity.
So, Chap…Is there tort liability on the part of the school ?
Hi, Jeff!
Oh, my.
Am I so honored as someone would acknowledge at hostess?
I have a hard copy of” Jonathan Livinston Seagull” in my hands.
Was hoping that would make Chappy feel better.
Your digging for compliments aren’t you…Naughty girl.
When I read it in the 70′s, I thought it was about having a good time flying.
I didn’t mean it that way.
Au contraire!
Snickers about the mile-high club…
The book is written on two levels…Many shows on TV are done the same way.
I happen to have in my possesion the medallion my mother gave me from the Franklin Mint:
“You have the freedom to be yourself here and now.”
Right Now…
Piffle. Per chap, JLS stopped hard when he hit the rock, and became a greasy spot. End of story.
He had a need…A need for speed…
Jeff,
cannot complete that thought.
From Vanity Fair.
Need another lolcat ?
Here.
Under this logic, nobody should be allowed to be male & female, straight or gay then either.. I mean, they may disagree or something.. Oh Oh..
How about just one “pure race” allowed in the military while you’re at it to?
My understanding was, in a combat zone, proselytizing may be ineffictive toward our goals.
More anti-Christian dogma I’m a afraid Jeff.. Christians in WWII did just fine..
How about, being there for a military purpose, and leaving the religion out of it ? You must know, in the Middle East, you are playing into the hands of extremists. No President has ordered troops into the ME for religious reasons.
I TOTALLLY LUV Dan Lee and Jeff2161.
Nite, nite.
I’m referring to effective tactics to protect our military. Are we in a religious war ? Then, we should pay the price for stirring up religious feelings against us. Is that what you desire?
I hope you like my lulzcats…
Jeff – For Christians, separation of church and state is actually a Biblical principle. Read Romans 13. A Christian in the military must submit to those in authority over him/her, unless commanded to do something against their faith, which rarely happens. At any rate, the military is not under threat from Christians that I am aware of.
Relax pure, going to read before turning in. Got my new book 1776 and can’t wait to dig in. Have fun.
chap – You may resume your existence, or not, at your discretion.
Nite all
Great book…I think you will enjoy it.
Actually, it was the hard-core evangelical christians IN the military working against our troops.
Jeff2161:
Thank you for the support. I missed that Hitchens article BTW, I’ll have to check it out later, sounds great!
Dan Lee:
No doubt the irony of this statement escapes you.
Pure:
KF is a smart man and he and I see things more or less the same save for the instant of creation. It’s not a big difference to be honest.
No, I routinely do so with creationists and dino riders. Frostrt and other sensible Christians would disagree with your assessment.
How many times do I have to restate that myself and many other atheists (to include the major authors) are both agnostic and atheist?
Swede:
No doubt you’ll take issue with this, but that statement is every bit as silly as saying the Heliocentric Model of the Solar System denies our divine nature.
Garydt:
Pascal? AGAIN? Why do I even bother?
No doubt. One wonders why you don’t lead a reckless and dangerous life by (for example) being a Christian missionary to (say) North Korea.
Dan Lee:
Non sequitur. I’ll think I’ll stop right there.
Wow! Superthread! This fifteenth day of December in the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand and Nine….
cicerokid:
By Jove!
Just for kicks and giggles!
There’s an abortion thread, zero. Wanna rumble?
Not right now, maybe tommorow, I am writing Christmas cards.
Incidently, I agree with chap in that thread here:
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/12/15/stop-the-abortion-mandate/comment-page-1/#comment-857687
So that should tell you all you need to know.
Yep. Good point.
This explains a lot about pure.
Er, once more, if you wouldn’t mind humoring me (it’s a long thread). This is the first I’ve ever heard of anyone claiming to be both agnostic and atheist. Merriam-Webster:
Agnostic: “one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god”
Atheist: “one who believes that there is no deity”
How exactly could both definitions pertain to the same person?
Blackstone:
Read the defintions closely. I am not committed to belief one way or the other because I cannot know. It’s impossible to know anything 100%. I am also not committed to the existence or non-existence of ghosts, UFOs, or Santa Claus.
However, I am an atheist because I do not believe.
The colloquial definition of agnostic seems to say that you are 50-50 on the issue. That isn’t really what it means and it wasn’t the way it was used classically.
In short, I admit I cannot know, but I don’t believe.
So your saying you don’t know but you don’t belive. That is a contradiction in and of its self, then again what do you expect after someone who would support the goverment against a justified Civil uprising?
Saying you don’t believe in something is the end all be all. Saying you cannot know along side that is more like a maybe, covering the rear if your wrong, want to be an Athiest fine Zero, but don’t include a cop out. Thats being a hypacrit and I can’t stand those.
As to those morons suggestion de-religiousizing the military. People of faith are more likely to march when asked as they have faith in a beyond for them. Someone who thinks they have only one life and thats it is far more likely to throw the white flag when push comes to shove. Also some people when they are dying, Yes Soldiers Dye, the other side won’t lay down and scream KILL ME, War isn’t a Video Game the modern war that Americans connect with as in Iraq was against a poorly trained, poorly equiped army in which you had Weapon systems from the 60′s and 70′s facing off with those of the 80′s and 90′s.
And when some people die they may oh idk like to be comfortable, to have a prayer said? If you don’t thats your concern but men need more to fight for. Treaties on paper, and so called Democracy are not substitutes for Faith and Nationalisim.
As Allahpundit would say, Hmmmmmm….
Taunton School Rebuts Report on Child’s Jesus Drawing
TK-421:
It’s not a cop out and it’s not being a “hypacrit” (surely a typo, right?). It is being scientifically accurate. Admit it, you just don’t like atheists.
Myself, and many other atheists have served honorably in war. Your nonsense is disrespectful to their service.
…ahh but what color?
I certainly wouldn’t.
Mmmmhmmmm… thank you for the followup, Mookie.
Tk-421:
Seriously, my comparisions to UFOs, ghosts, and Santa should tell you where I stand… geeezzz…
While wondering how this post got down to atheism argument, I am reminded of a fun point that April first is universal atheist day. Psalm 14:1 1 The fool says in his heart,”There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.
The really funny part is they think they are being progressive, when, if you consider back when that was written, atheism is probably as old as the creation of people.
haven’t read any other posts on this topic so I’m sure it’s been said, but it’s well worth repeating the truth. The school board, administration, principle and teacher involved here are the ones that need any psychological evaluation…bunch of closed minded, political correct idiots. Talk about wasted funds in education.
Ok, I’ve read the arguments over and over and here’s what I think I understand.
1. You can’t be a good, honest and loyal American if you’re Muslim. Islam is antithetical to honesty, goodness and loyalty to the ideals this country was founded on. Right?
2. You couldn’t possibly be a moral and good American if you’re an atheist because no atheist can have a moral guideline based on anything but strict Judeo-Christian philosophy. Right?
3. How about Mormons, can Mormons be good Americans?
4. There’s those Seventh Day Adventist folk too, can they be good Americans?
5. How about the Scientologists, do they have what it takes to be loyal Americans?
6. Ok there are a lot of Hindus becoming citizens. Are they OK? Or should they be shunned as well?
7. How about Buddhists and does it matter if they’re Mahayana or Hinayana Buddhists?
8. What about Shinto?
9. Then there’s the Baha’iists, you know that religion was founded in Iran are they the stuff of good loyal Americans?
10. How about the Zoroastrians?
11. The US military now recognizes Wicca as a religion, are they the stuff of good,upright and trustworthy US citizens?
12. Are Deists of sufficient moral fibre to be good Americans?
12. What about Catholics are they, with their religious leader being the head of another country the stuff of good Americans?
13. What about the Anglicans, their head of their church is the Queen of England, can they be good Americans and follow the Queen’s Bishop?
14. Then there are those Pantheists, who knows exactly what they worship they don’t even use a single book for their theology. Can they be good Americans?
15. Are Unitarian/Universalists good and moral people who can make good American citizens?
16. I almost left out the Jews. A number of them are leftists and generally support the Democrats. Can this religion really be good for America?
After watching the atheists get pounded on and the outrage at Islam, I’d really like to know of all the thousands of religions practiced by our citizenry, which ones can be trusted and which can’t.
It might be important.
Whew. Lots of anti-Christian hate on display here. But I guess that’s ok – you can hate Christians all you want because they’re not going to behead you like a muslim would.
On December 16th, 2009 at 1:53 am, JHSII said:
I don’t think it’s anti-Christian hate. I think its more that there are those who aren’t Christian but otherwise in agreement with the overall fiscal and social conservative movement seeking to be allowed acceptance. Just as not all Christians are conservatives, not all those of other faiths or even not having any professed faith or outright atheists are not conservatives.
One of the things that concerns me is why an agnostic like Chaps or an outright atheist like I think Jeff2161 may be, must convert to Christianity in order to be ‘acceptable’ as conservatives? Isn’t one of the principles that our nation was founded upon freedom of religion?
I don’t like people bashing Christians for their beliefs any more than anyone else bashing anyone else’s beliefs. Now I do draw a hard line at any religious group that condones, murder, mutilation (other than self-mutilation a person has the freedom to be stupid), rape, slavery, child molestation and similar criminal behaviors. I’m also not too pleased with a certain ‘Christian’ sect that celebrates the death of every serving member of the armed forces either. But, I figure if they aren’t being criminal or trying to overthrow the country, they’re entitled to worship as they believe.
No, ssnark, there is lots of anti-Christian hate – as evidenced by your long-winded post on how every other religion that Christianity is good.
If you “don’t like people bashing Christians for their beliefs” then why did you just post your 16 bullet points that did exactly that?
As for me, I’ll start respecting the beliefs of other people when they start respecting mine. It’s not a one-way street.
shimauma2:
More irony?
Ssnark:
I think you know my answer, anyone is capable of being a good American.
JHSII:
Someone never read any of my comments about Islam nor any of the major atheist authors comments on the same.
Priceless! Recognizing that people from other religions and non-religions can be moral is “bashing Christians?” LOL! Did you even notice that Ssnark had various Christian sects on that list?
I’m surprised global climate change didn’t make the list of religious groups that may be loyal americans…
You know, speaking of beheadings, has anyone really considered the outrages performed on Muslim Serbians by Christian Serbians not to mention wholesale massacres of what were peaceful Muslims in Srebrenica? Good Christian Bosnians did this, worse yet, good Christian Dutchmen stood by and in some cases helped.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdMOG3gJvYs
How about the things both Chechnyans and Russians have done to each other. The Russians are good Christians too and have used nerve agents employed rape, killed civilians and worse. Of course, there’s no film so it can’t exist can it? The Chechyns themselves commit atrocities through acts of terrorism so aren’t blameless either.
No, in my lifetime I’ve seen inhumanity done to other humans by people of all races, religions and colors. Murder, torture and other forms of inhumanity know no racial or religious boundaries whether in Europe, Asia, Latin America (South and Central America), Africa or anywhere else you can think of. Just when I think that there’s not one more thing I can think of that a human can do to another human, I find myself retching my guts out at the discovery of some new and more creative way for one human being to inflict cruelty upon another.
No one is entirely blameless, though I’d like to think that we of the US in our more recent history (20th Century forward) are less so than others.
zeroangel
You mean the .0000000000000000000005 percent of the time when you aren’t criticizing Christianity in a topic on Christian free speech being silenced?
Maybe you can point me to when you turned a topic about how Christianity is being silenced into a 300 post thread about your visceral hatred of islam.
Maybe you should read what I posted in context. I guess that would be too much for you, huh?
BTW, “various Christian sects” doesn’t equal “Christians”. Or maybe I missed where the specific word “Christian” was used in the bullet points.
I will also note that he wasn’t “recognizing” the morality of anyone.
In context, it sure sounded like an insult to Christians to me. But I guess as that is your norm, then you wouldn’t see an insult there.
On December 16th, 2009 at 7:35 am, Jeff2161 said:
I probably should have. After all, I think at this point the belief in anthropogenic climate change is just that, a belief system bordering if not crossing over into religiousity. God, what ego, to believe that man has that much control over a system that is as complex as the climate. Mr. Gore et alia, there are more things between heaven and earth, Mr. Gore, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Go back to school, study some hard science instead of English and Government. Maybe, if they haven’t gone rotten like so many, they’ll teach you the scientific method.
/me holds breath waiting for “no true scotsman.”
JHSII:
Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that there aren’t any Muslims here? Trust me, the day a fundamentalist Muslim lunatic strolls in here is the day you see me do what you ask.
Of course it did, because basically anything that doesn’t recognize the superiority of your religion is an insult.
Thanks, ssnark. In the topic on how American Christians are being silenced at Christmas you have to through in the moral relativism – where Christians wanting free speech in America is equal to atrocities in other countries by people calling themselves Christians.
Whew. I’m glad you made the connection!
…right on cue! “No true scotsman!”
JHSII:
In case you missed it earlier:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/12/by_david_abel_g_6.html
Not sure if it’s already been mentioned but the boy is black. His father said he had just been to visit a Christian shrine.
The teacher was supposedly most disturbed by the X’s the boy made for the eyes.
On December 16th, 2009 at 8:14 am, JHSII said:
My asking which religions including a few Christian sects, are ‘good enough’ to be loyal, upstanding Americans is an insult to Christians?
My post asks a question as to which religions are ‘acceptable’ since atheism, agnosticism and Islam apparently aren’t from what I’ve read over several weeks here. Moreover, can you be a good conservative if you aren’t a Christian is the sub-text of the question I’m posing. I frankly don’t care what religion you belong to and what you believe in. My better half and her children are Methodists because the pastor gave them sanctuary and helped her through the decision to force her first husband out and divorce him after that good Church going Christian man beat her nearly to death three times and many other times less severely and on the third near fatal beating wouldn’t allow her to go to a hospital with a skull fracture. She’s got more scars than I do after nine or more campaigns and six purple hearts with multiple wounds in three of them. I support that church for what they did for my family.
zero, KF is smart in many ways but he does believe in a non-personal God.
zeroangel:
Ummm…no. I’ve been looking to see where you’ve turned a topic on supposed discrimination against islam into a series of tirades against islam and I sure haven’t seen it.
You prove my point right there. I never said anything about the superiority of Christianity. I never said that Christianity was my religion.
Thanks for playing.
Oh, yeah” Like what?
On December 16th, 2009 at 8:21 am, zeroangel said:
If you give me a few months to let my hair and beard grow out, I can play a very convincing one. Good enough to wander into a group of Talib and fit in if need be.
Pure:
Yes, and a non-personal god is not very different from a non-exsistent one.
JHSII:
Don’t you get it? The reason it never goes to 300+ posts is because everyone agrees with me! Watch I’ll do it right now, “Islam is a disgusting religion that advocates violence.” I guarantee no one will respond to that other than to perhaps say, “Yes, I agree.”
Oh? Then how on Earth can a comparison of Christianity to Scientology be seen as an insult? What is your religion then?
Ssnark:
Hah!
Sorry, zero, those people still count as Christians.
Blackstone is right, zero.
And you are wrong about Kingfish’s or anyone else’s deism.