Terrific: Government recalls 800,000 doses of kids’ swine flu vaccine
Hey, stop worrying about a massive government takeover of health care.
You’re in good hands:
Health officials are recalling hundreds of thousands of doses of swine flu vaccine after tests indicated they may not be potent enough to protect against the virus.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention notified doctors about the recall Tuesday. The recall involves about 800,000 doses made by Sanofi Pasteur. The doses are pre-filled syringes intended for young children, ages 6 months to almost three years.
…Health officials say it’s not clear how many doses have already been given, but they don’t think children need to be re-vaccinated. The lots passed potency tests when they were first shipped, but tests indicate the potency waned after.
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This should not surprise anyone. Letting the gov. into every aspect of our lives never comes out well. Imagine what will happen with this death bill they want us to have?
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Yes, this is normal, and is nothing to worry about. There are expiration dates on milk because it goes bad. This represents that drugs are being monitored in the event they loose their potentcy. This is a good thing. Who wants to drink expired milk?
The healthcare system works because it is ensuring that the medicine the publice recieves is good and effective.
HAHAhAhaahhHAAHA!…..
oh. wait.
mmmm not good. Have the trial lawyers been notified? This should be interesting since Obama and the Dems owe them.
Hmm. I wonder. If vacines lose potency with time, maybe they should put expiration dates on them, like they do with milk? What a novel idea!
This is not a huge surprise to me; “haste makes waste” as the old saying goes. They were rushing these doses into circulation at the behest of the government.
This is what happens when you rush a project.
I’ve been telling my kids this for years.
Next time, they’ll have to consider using the overnight shipping option.
The safety of the vaccine was not the issue. That’s important. I have to give a “good catch” to the CDC on this one.
Other than the production shortfalls, I have not been overly upset with the H1N1 vaccine effort.
They have had to work in a compressed window. I get my shot next Monday. All rationing restrictions have been lifted in my area.
gubmint hurry hurry crisis that isn’t at it’s best. when are the masses going to learn the gubmint AND the media HAVE TO HAVE A CRISIS DU JUOR in order to get you to tune in and cough up your bucks. global warming becomes climate change because nothing is warming hence we rename the crisis climate change, as if the climate didn’t change every minute. h1n1 will kill millions, has become “oh well” as it was less drastic than any normal flu year. the next time you see on the news that the gubmint says the world is ending because …. turn the channel cause the next station will be telling you the gubmint says exactly the opposite.
And these people want to take over the health care system? Now what could go wrong there?
On December 15th, 2009 at 12:09 pm, zyzzyg said:
Yes, this is normal, and is nothing to worry about.
Please back your statement with references.
I’ve been in medicine for more than 30 years after medical school; and I have yet to hear that a vaccine’s outdating so soon is “normal”.
Perhaps it’s possible; but, intuitively, that possibility does not pass the laugh test.
Since you made the statement – a statement that at least some folks might consider to be a silly statement – it is your resposibility to back it up.
Where did you go to medical school – or pharmacy school?
Maybe you played a doctor on television?
Or, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
Oops.
Forgot blockqoute – apologies.
Please back your statement with references.
I’ve been in medicine for more than 30 years after medical school; and I have yet to hear that a vaccine’s outdating so soon is “normal”.
Perhaps it’s possible; but, intuitively, that possibility does not pass the laugh test.
Since you made the statement – a statement that at least some folks might consider to be a silly statement – it is your resposibility to back it up.
Where did you go to medical school – or pharmacy school?
Maybe you played a doctor on television?
Or, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
For the past three days, I’ve been asking everyone I know whether they know anyone who has had the swine flu. No one knows anyone who has had it which begs the question: if, as the CDC has reported, 1 of 6 Americans have had the flu, why is it I don’t know anyone who even knows of anyone who has had it?
I suspect they are counting people who have had the vaccine in their numbers. And then there is the reported 8,000+ deaths in America. Don’t get me started. More bogus government data.
I don’t know anyone with the swine flu either, and I work on a Navy base. Few commands have had the vaccine.
You actually expect a troll to know what it’s talking about? When they’re not mindlessly parroting DNC/ACORN/SEIU talking points, they are pretty much making stuff up (truth is relative, doncha know?).
BTW, I don’t know anybody who knows for certain that they have had swine flu (or H1N1, or whatever it’s called today). I also know nobody who has been vaccinated.
It’s wise to treat anything any government agency says or does with a great deal of suspicion. Time and again, they have proven that they just cannot be trusted. The only solution is to strip the federal government back to the bare metal — specifically, that which has specific provision in the constitution, and nothing more. Ever.
Swine flu vacs are being administered thru my daughter’s school today. We opted out. I don’t know one person that has had swine flu. Her school has over 600 students. Not. One. Case.
I’m waiting on the Fish Flu vaccine before i get immunized…
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! What kind of gobbledygook double talk BS is this?
Well if the kids die, then think of the healthcare costs saved!
I wish I could be immunized against Jack Daniels Flu this Christmas season…
I’m holding out for the Gnu Flu.
Or, after that, the New Gnu Flu.
Not me, I’m waiting for the New Ewe Gnu Flu!
Anyone out here who does not think the CDC did the prudent thing?
Remember they do not make or distribute the vaccine.
You mean announcing the swine flu as a pandemic, flyover?
I wish the CDC would report on a subject more suited to their area of expertise. Like crop circles, for instance. Those space aliens are talking to us and no one is listening. That’s why the world is always in a mess.
Apples and oranges! When drugs expire before expected or w/o the knowledge of the physician or patient, people lower their guards and thus increase their risks and exposure to disease under the false sense they are protected!
Talk about a violation of trust! The CDC really needs to take it up a notch -
Well, I guess I’ll see you in the New Ewe Gnu Flu queue.
zzyzyzyzizyzyzyiziyzzi doesn’t believe in facts as his posts so often demonstrate…
Never mind the vaccine that was produced on weeks or months ago was not efficacious at the time it was administered.
Somehow, zyzyzyzyzyzyzyzybbbtbtbtttgttt has determined that nobody was harmed, other than those who got sick or died from getting the vaccine in the first place and those who got sick or died after receiving a vaccine that didn’t protect them…
It is so because zzyzyzyzyzyzyz says so!
I got the swine flu vaccine in addition to the seasonal flu vaccine – had no concern about getting them.
The swine flu vaccine chosen by the CDC, as far as I have found out, was not very different from the seasonal flu – unlike its competitors.
Having said that, I wish also to point out that I agree that the governmental bureaucracy and the media, in my opinion, mishandled the swine flu deal, fanning it into near panic about a possible pandemic; when, again as far as I have learned, it is no more virulent, or serious, a disease than the seasonal flu.
The swine flu-associated deaths were publicized.
What was not publicized was the fact that thousands die from seasonal influenza every year, and that this year likely will be no exception.
The government bureacracy and the media appear to have grossly misled the public about the actual risk posed by swine flu.
The Obama administration has vowed to not let any crisis go to waste.
In the end, there will simply be more spin.
The World Health Organization (WHO) declared H1N1 to be a pandemic in June 2010. If you look at the criteria for THEIR defnition of a pandemic, it does fit, without regard to the severity of the disease.
Our beloved President declared it a National Emergency. You might ask him why he did that.
There are so many areas of government that are substandard and do not work. The CDC in my opinion is a significant exception and has been for many years. I have confidence in that organization.
Now cicero that you have ducked my question, please Cowboy Up and answer it.
Read “State of Fear” by Michael Crichton for more examples of the government/media/science creating and maintaining constant fear. It may be one of his best books…
GOVERNMENT RUN DEATH
That’s what we are seeing. They couldn’t get the total vaccines they needed. Now hundreds of thousands of those they do have are being recalled. They are going to cut Medicare. They will have to ration healthcare.
Granny won’t need a death panel. She’ll never make it that far.
I agree about the commentary regarding the media/political/environmental establishment, but it was far from his best work. He was a little too interested in the commentary to tell the story properly.
/chap mode off (not to be confused with a /sarc tag because I meant it)
I personally think the cdc is in bed with the drug manufacturers.
Which, actually, was quite a trick!
Correct.
As far as I know, “pandemic” refers to the geographic distribution of a disease, and not to its severity.
Likely, the minion was only following the orders of his fascist/statist/collectivist/socialist string-pullers.
I cannot supply evidentiary citation; but, over the past 1 or 2 decades I have had the impression that the CDC, also, has been infiltrated by, and succumbed to, the statist/collectivist rot.
As the Monk song by Randy Newman says, “Maybe I’m wrong; but, I don’t think so.”
John Deaux–yeah, but State of Fear is my favorite because the Martin Sheen-like character gets eaten by the ‘noble savages’.
John Deaux,
What do you consider Crichton’s best work?
I have read State of Fear, TimeLine, Congo, Airframe, Prey, Next and Pirate Latitudes. As you can see, I have read more of his later works so my perspective is limited and skewed toward the later works.
Drugs don’t expire that quickly. Obviously something was wrong with the batch. When you hurry through a vaccine, or any drug, you’re going to get mistakes. I’m still not convinced that we have a “national emergency” in the first place. More people (30K a year) are going to die from regular seasonal flu than swine flu. Declaring a pandemic doesn’t mean much either other than to have a “crisis” to fix, for more power and profit. We have lots of so-called pandemics.
The CDC is dependent on the information they have received from the field. In the case of H1N1 this data can be criticized.
For example, in our area during September and October many people were counted as having H1N1. Were they tested? No, because the test takes 24 hours, it is expensive, and most of the people who fell ill were not in a risk group.
Since they exhibited the common symptoms and got the “flu” BEFORE the normal flu season, the area doctors reported H1N1.
My wife and mother were ill during this time. Based on my reading I would say it was 75% likely they had H1N1, but they were never tested.
I have looked on the CDC websites regarding H1N1. I think what they have presented is pretty responsible information. I see no broad claims or shrill commentary.
Like the climate debate we need to view this in terms of science and sound process. If you are going to insist on that standard with the Global Warming lemmings than let’s be intellectually consistent and apply the same standard when evaluating the CDC.
My opinion
My top three.
Great Train Robbery
Rising Sun
Congo
Of course, Congo was back when “high tech” was in its infancy and I was a young computer science student. Add in the adventure of an African safari and you’ve got a cool story, so it may not be one of his best, but it was appealling at the time.
During the prior administration they asserted that US kids were obese; now they say America’s kids are in danger of malnutrition. It’s as if the CDC is playing into the meme of which ever party is in power.
John Deaux,
I read Congo recently and I remember working with equipment similar to what he described in the book. I thought it was pretty darn good even 28 years later! (I’m an IT person too.)
I have never read Great Train Robbery or Rising Sun but since he isn’t going to be releasing any new material I’ll have to go back and start reading the older books.
BTW, I liked the movie Andromeda Strain when I was a kid. And I liked TimeLine (the movie)but they made too many changes in the movie so it was nothing like the book (which I thought was great) but that is nothing new.
I believe that obesity is considerd a form of malnutrition.
Malnutrition is not the same as “under-calorized”; if I may supply a neoligism.
Hell, if Shakespeare could, why can’t I?
The only necessary reference is the one MM excerpted.
The vaccine was tested and that is what is normal. Tests are performed on vaccines to determine their continued efficacy. Is that a good thing, or bad?
Monitoring the efficacy of drugs is normal. Yes, or no? Try re-reading my post again.
I did not say that the vaccine going bad so soon is normal. Testing is normal. The healthcare system, specifically drug safety checks, are normal. This is a good thing, yes or no?
I did not go to medical or pharmacy school. I have not played a Doctor on TV or recently stay at a Holiday Inn Express.
Your turn -
Where did you go to medical school – or pharmacy school? Maybe you played a doctor on television? Or, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
Exactly what facts are you referring to? Be specific, if you are at all capable.
Do vaccines go bad? The excerpt MM posted says they do.
Are vaccines tested over time to test their continued efficacy? The excerpt MM posted says so.
You are welcome to cast accusations though you should back them up with facts.
Who asserted this? I certainly did not, and the excerpt MM posted didn’t either.
Facts from MM’s post that you should acknowledge -
The lots passed potency tests when they were first shipped, but tests indicate the potency waned after.
Cut and paste where I suggested such a thing. I dare you.
You lie!
Nope, not because I say so, because MM’s excerpted post says that the vaccine was tested to determine if it was still effective.
Your issue is not with me, but with what MM posted. The facts are there. It is normal to test vaccines (and, drugs) to establish that they continue to be effective.
Do you have a problem with that? Or, is it reading comprehension and getting facts straight?
PRICELESS!
ZYZZYGYZYZYZYZYZZY tries to take someone to task for not reading his posts and the demonstrates he has not read the other guy’s post!
Note that granite’s post indicates he did go to medical school and has been involved in medicine for 30 years after attending medical school!
Me too, right behind you, until then, Adieu!
I didn’t take the swine flu shot because I didn’t trust it. Swine flu was a manufactured crises. Gee, I wasn’t so far off the mark with this one. Shows to go ya, if you live long enough…
Exactly why I wouldn’t let my kids be guinea pigs for the government-sponsored, political tool, rushed-to-market vaccine.
My daughter, who has exercise-induced asthma, got the regular flu shot but not this one. She tends to get pretty sick even with “just” a cold. The rest of us never get flu shots, we’re not in the at risk categories.
In addition, there are thousands of similar viruses out there that have no vaccine and that can trigger the same dangerous secondary infections. Why worry about this particular one? Earlier this fall, my daughter had a cold that turned into bacterial bronchitis.
My mantra is that every virus you get now while you’re fairly young and strong is one more you DON’T get later when you’re older and weaker and more prone to secondary infections.
Bottom line, an average of 36,000 Americans die from flu-like illnesses every year. H1N1 is no worse than any other flu-like virus.
Misscherly,
Good for you! Nobody in my house got the “faux flu shot” either. When I see sick pigs running through the White House I’ll reconsider.
I think the criteria has been met by the current administration.
My grandson who was 3 months premature and has damaged lungs cannot afford to have any form of upper respiratory illness, still we chose not to take the risk of giving him the shot either.
I said “sick” and not “demented.” It appears the demented pigs running through the halls of the White House are healthy…
Soooo..anyone want to guess what will be this administrations “next” crisis. Because there will surely be another one in 3..2..1..
Let me guess – they’re paid for already…
Heard of someone the other day who had been told by his doctor he had swine flu (no test, first visit). He asked the nurse, “Do I really have swine flu?” She said “No, he tells everyone they have swine flu.”
I don’t know anyone who had it either. Months ago the Hawaii State Health Director almost sneered on the news saying it was overblown.
I don’t know anyone who had it. My kids attending various co-ops have not reported high absentee rates. They have all been healthy.
Swine Flu: The Crisis that Wasn’t!
Manufactured crisis.. Literally..
“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste..” -Rham Emanuel ’2009′
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mzcbXi1Tkk&feature=fvw
I know, but my point remains: why is the CDC now emphasizing the poor eating habits of America’s children as being the result of economic deprivation, whereas before it was due to economic excess (money spent on fast & snack foods) and indulgent, neglectful parents (two working parents)?
It’s like they want to support the Obama ad’s/Dems’ call for increased stimulus spending by interpreting the data on kids’ weight to suit the case of the party in power.
The CDC should be non-partisan and maintain consistency in their findings and positions in order to be a credible gov agency; adjusting them to suit the politics of a new administration or ruling party in congress, is no way to earn the people’s trust.
It’s amazing how people who know nothing about a topic like to comment on it. By the way, every vial of vaccine used in the US has an expiration date on it. If you go to any hospital and ask if they have any cases of H1N1, they can (they may not, but they can) give you a list. Did you ever wonder why so many people got the “flu” this fall, when we don’t usually see much of the flu till after the first of the year? Only this week did my state health dept. start to see any seasonal flu among the people tested for the flu.
That’s what I would bet on, exactly.
But, I would also bet that the expiration date is not 6 months after manufacture.
Again, maybe I’m wrong…but, I don’t think so.
I read granite’s post and I cut and pasted his questions to me, and asked the same of that poster. Yes, granite mentioned attending medical school. As for the question, the operative word is ‘where’. Not ‘did’.
Granite did not mention where the medical school was. Yes, or no? The other questions are valid, as well. Granite did not mention having played a doctor on TV, or if a night was spent at a Holiday Inn Express.
It is called reading comprehension. Try it.
Moreover, why did you respond to my post to granite and not to the post I directed at you (#49)?
Do try and address one of the questions directed at you, and allow others to make their own points. Or, is it that you cannot offer reasonable responses to questions directed at you?
When I hear a reasonable statement from you I might consider a reasonable response. I don’t anticipate either happening soon though…
It is not about my statements it is about you answering a few questions.
If it were about statements, your statement from post #28 -
“Somehow, zyzyzyzyzyzyzyzybbbtbtbtttgttt has determined that nobody was harmed, other than those who got sick or died from getting the vaccine in the first place and those who got sick or died after receiving a vaccine that didn’t protect them…”
I asked you to prove that I said such a thing by cutting and pasting where I have said such a thing.
Your statement is a lie. You are a liar. You spout off without consideration of the facts.
You lack the stones to stand up and defend your statements. You are absent the spine to address direct questions.
You are not worthy of my time or respect. Yes, I respect those who take me to task and that repsect is lost when that person prevaricates, takes tangents and avoids the conversation that they started by initially taking me to task.
When you grow a pair and are more fully engaged to defend your statements and address direct questions, I may begin to give you the respect I once had for you.
Have a lovely day.
The medical school was, and still is, in the USA.
Beyond that, it is none of that poster’s damn business.
And for all of that individual’s interminable posting, he (I assume) still has not backed up why he made the preposterous statement that
when the theme of this thread, as I understood it, was not whether vaccines have expiration dates, and whether the vaccines are monitored for their expiration dates;
but rather, the theme of this thread was whether government bureaucrats and “departments?” should be involved in our medical care system.
Remember, these bureacrats and departments:
essentially orchestrated concern about swine flu among the public;
appear to have withheld the full story of the relative effects and risks of swine flu and the “usual” seasonal flu;
pushed hard for and almost appeared to rush swine flu vaccine to market;
failed initially to assure an adequate supply of the, as they were telling us, critically important, swine flu vaccine;
and, to top it off, brought us a swine flu vaccine of which the potency of many doses waned, from what I can tell, only months after its manufacture.
And this individual tells us
So, why does not that individual back up his statement
with some references, statements by experts, package inserts, anything…instead of resorting to a lame, but at the same time quite revealing, game of “And so are you.”
I’ve noticed over the last couple of years whether it has been under Bush II or Obama, that the US Gov’t can’t even run a flu vaccination program. I have already had the H1N1 virus the hard way, and every time I drive by the local Walgreen’s I just sneer at the waste of their offers of the H1N1 vaccine…now.
Exactly…instead of dealing with medical maladies, the CDC wants to pursue ‘social engineering’ not unlike that of the Soviets.
I’ll remember your answer the next time you ask me a question. Though it was your question to me that I then asked you. You lack the stones to answer even your own questions.
Re-read post #48
You misunderstood the theme of the post.
The title of the post -
“Terrific: Government recalls 800,000 doses of kids’ swine flu vaccine”
Why was there a recall? Because, the vaccines were tested and it was determined that the vaccine lost potentcy. Vaccines are organic (do you need a link to prove that?) and degrade.
Remember all you want, this was not mentioned in what MM posted, and therefore it is a strecth to suggest this is in anyway the theme of theme of the thread.
Again, not mentioned in MM’s post, and a strecth to say is part of the the theme of the thread.
Again, not mentioned in MM’s post, and a strecth to say is part of the the theme of the thread.
Again, not mentioned in MM’s post, and a strecth to say is part of the the theme of the thread.
Again, not mentioned in MM’s post, and a strecth to say is part of the the theme of the thread.
Finally, you got it. You even used some of the words from the excerpt.
Answered in post #48
The excerpt MM posted says the vaccines were tested. It says the potentcy waned. You have said the potentcy waned. BTW, more of the theme of the BLOG than anything you can recall (not mentioned) and suggest might be the theme.
There is something called common sense. There is another thing called reading comprehension. Try using both.
Not sure about the game you referenced. You asked me questions and I answered them. I asked you the very same questions and your shorts got in a bunch.
Avoid asking others questions that you yourself will not answer.
I don’t follow Michelle’s logic that links a vaccine recall to the government takeover of health care.
(I am not a proponent of any sort of government takeover of healthcare. In fact, I would like to see Medicare and Medicaid scrapped and replaced with something that makes sense and gives seniors and the poor a choice and a chance.)
The CDC does not manufacture or ship the drugs. They are coordinating the supply chain effort. H1N1 may not be as dramatically virulent (or whatever the appropriate word is here) but it is real. I’ve seen many people hospitalized over the fall and have the concomitant complication of pneumonia tacked on top of already dreadful symptoms.
The problem has been that the flu vaccine makers have had their share of troubles creating the vaccine and creating enough of the vaccine. The CDC, as much as I dislike them (mainly for abusing their authority when it comes to releasing data, spinning it for innumerate journalists,) has been on top of this from the beginning.
The H1N1 vaccines are actually pretty fragile. They must be maintained in a consistent temperature range throughout their progress from manufacturer to distributor to clinician to patient. Something as simple as storing them in a too warm or too cool environment can reduce their efficacy.
The CDC does not manufacture, distribute, or vaccinate. Businesses do that (or, in some cases, non-profit clinics and hospitals.)
Everyone involved has worked very hard to produce, distribute, and apply this vaccine in an incredibly short period of time.
H1N1 is not a joke. It is not a conspiracy. To say otherwise is an insult to the victims of the illness and their families.
The CDC got it right by continuing to test the vaccine and to act on recalling doses.
Given the time constraints, it is inconceivable, it would have been a miracle even, if all of this had happened without a problem.
The idiocy going on in the Senate and the idiocy that has happened in the House regarding healthcare “reform” has nothing to do with the CDC and H1N1.
Mixing the two was a bit of a knee jerk reaction to the AP report.
Michelle’s sarcasm needs to be more accurately targeted.
Then let me help…
Another headline that does not surprise anyone. Government at its best.
@jangar (#75)
Meaning that Sanofi Pasteur should have recalled the doses? I’m ok with that, but why didn’t they do it?
Simply because the government ordered the recall doesn’t mean that they caused the problem.
Are you saying the CDC should not do the recall?
Do you think the CDC created the vaccine? Do you believe they shipped it?
That was good old private business doing that (as it should be.)
Correct.
It is not a joke.
But, it is no more virulent than seasonal flu.
How often over the past 6-9 months did the government and/or the MSM stir up concern about seasonal flu in the same way they did about swine flu?
I do not recall one instance.
Michelle,
Didn’t you ask if your kids should get the H1N1 vaccine? My advice was no and now you know why. The vaccine may be impotent but you do not need your kids re-vaccinated? Might as well give them a placebo.
Counting on ANY gooberment agency to care for your children’s health is a big mistake. I would not have my daughter vaccinated for cervical cancer either. Too much propaganda. “One Less” is one less vaccine our girls do not need. Along with “One Less” is the H1N1 vaccine. Just my 2 cents.
And this isn’t all- there was a batch of 170,000 doses of H1N1 vaccine recalled in Canada due to it causing allergic reactions.
Also there are tons of anecdotal reports of women having miscarriages after receiving this vaccine.
I’m 6 weeks pregnant and I told my OB-GYN “no way.” She looked at me like I was from Mars, but I don’t care. The way the gov’t has hyped this has made me really suspicious.