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1. #101
   On December 16th, 2009 at 5:23 pm, cicerokid said:

   On December 16th, 2009 at 2:29 pm,
   

   happyscrapper said:
   Rush just said that a reporter said, “The GOP is using delay tactics by having a clerk read the entire amendment. This could take until midnight. That hardly seems fair to the clerk.” That is the mentality of the MSM news reporters. Like they are going to use the same clerk the whole time.

   Let Barry Hussein read it. He reads real good.

2. #102
   On December 16th, 2009 at 5:25 pm, Paul Revere said:

   Who is the parliamentarian?

3. #103
   On December 16th, 2009 at 5:26 pm, cicerokid said:

   Wow.

   under the chamber’s rules it appears that a motion to withdraw would not be in order during the reading of the bill.

   Murtha is writing the rules.

4. #104
   On December 16th, 2009 at 5:36 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

   The House and the Senate each has an Office of the Parliamentarian to provide expert advice and assistance on questions relating to the meaning and application of that chamber’s legislative rules, precedents, and practices.

   The Speaker began naming a parliamentarian in 1927; the Senate first recognized its parliamentarian in 1935. At present, the House parliamentarian is assisted by a deputy, four assistants, and two clerks. The Senate office currently comprises the parliamentarian, two senior assistant parliamentarians, the assistant parliamentarian, and the parliamentary assistant.

   The responsibilities of the two offices are similar. These derive from the need of Representatives and Senators, and their staff, for access to confidential and nonpartisan expertise regarding the
   intricacies of the legislative process. The parliamentarians and their assistants/deputies make their
   authoritative knowledge available to all members on the floor during plenary sessions and from their offices at all other times.

   The most visible service that each office provides is in advising the Member presiding over House or Senate plenary sessions as to the appropriate procedure to be followed, the appropriate way in which to phrase any statements the chair needs to make, and the appropriate responses by
   the chair to parliamentary inquiries and points of order. Whenever the House or Senate is in session, the parliamentarian or one of the office’s deputies/assistants is present on the floor at all times. In the House, the parliamentarian on duty sits or stands near the right hand of the Member who is presiding. In the Senate, the parliamentarian on duty always is seated at the rostrum immediately below the presiding officer’s desk.

   Because of the complexity of the legislative procedures that govern the floor sessions of each house, Representatives and Senators have long felt the need for expert professional assistance, especially for those called upon to preside. The parliamentarians and their staffs provide this assistance in several ways. For routine situations and situations that can be anticipated in advance, the office may prepare written guidance for the Members who are presiding to inform them as to what they are expected to say or do to implement the applicable procedures of that house. In other
   circumstances, the parliamentarians convey their advice verbally to the presiding Representative or Senator—for example, when that Member needs to respond to a parliamentary inquiry or rule on a point of order.

   As a staff official, neither parliamentarian is empowered to make decisions that are binding on the
   House or Senate. The parliamentarians and their deputies/assistants only offer advice that the presiding Representative or Senator may accept or reject; individual Members may appeal rulings. For more information on appeals, see CRS Report 98-306, Points of Order, Rulings, and Appeals in the Senate and CRS Report 98-307, Points of Order, Rulings, and Appeals in the House of Representatives, both by Valerie Heitshusen. vheitshusen@crs.loc.gov

5. #105
   On December 16th, 2009 at 5:45 pm, jrgdds said:

   On December 16th, 2009 at 1:19 pm, John Deaux said:

   10:55am Eastern. The clerk is now reading a section involving dental services, with specific details about “molars” and “posterior teeth.”

   Would that be “cheaper to pull them than to fill them”?

   I consider Universal Health Care to be an HMO on steroids. Being a dentist, I have dealt with HMO’s; I can tell you that in dentistry they always pay the most for procedures that provide the most economical care. From the HMO’s perspective, the most economical dental care is full mouth extractions and a set of dentures. The HMO’s pay out would be a fraction of what they would payout for regular cleanings, fillings, as well as root canals and crowns that a person might need during their lifetime to maintain and save their teeth.
   The HMO’s most economical care in medicine is supervised neglect then death. We are in trouble if Universal Health Care is ever allowed to pass. “Obama lied and Granny died, but not before she had a chance to gum her food.”

6. #106
   On December 16th, 2009 at 5:51 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

   Politico just reported Pelosi announcing that there will no healthcare bill this year. Add that to the amnesty and cap and tax bills. Everyone in the House is running for re-election next year and it is looking very bad for the Dems. Not so good for the GOP either. Looks great for the Tea Party movement and conservatives. We are not even represented in Washington and yet we have the entire government tied up in a knot. Things are either going to open up next year or the establishment losers are going to make one last gasp push to cram something down our throats before they leave town. I like our chances here.

7. #107
   On December 16th, 2009 at 5:52 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

   Sorry. Here’s the Politico link.

8. #108
   On December 16th, 2009 at 6:19 pm, Ron said:

   So, you expected Democrats to play by the rules? Ha! All I can say is more power to Senators Coburn and DeMint, and let notice be served that the WHOLE bill will have to be read before its voted on. Unless they’d care to withdraw it.

9. #109
   On December 16th, 2009 at 6:21 pm, happyscrapper said:

   On December 16th, 2009 at 5:51 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

   Pasadena…I believe you are in a minority here and elsewhere. A third party right now would destroy our chances at taking Congress in 2010. Wise up. Rush, Beck, Hannity, many many others wiser than you have said we need to work through the GOP and reform the party. A third pary will only succeed in splitting our vote and ensuring the liberals retain power. Please listen to the voice of reason and get off this third party kick. I know this post will make you angry. Sorry, but it is not just my opinion. I am saying what many experts on the subject are also saying. Please don’t shoot the messenger.

10. #110
    On December 16th, 2009 at 7:14 pm, flenser said:

    The assumption behind the “Erik Erikson Gambit” was that the Dems would let piddling little things like the Senate rules stand in their way.

    Erik seems like a nice guy, but a little naive.

11. #111
    On December 16th, 2009 at 7:47 pm, Rekd said:

    :clapping:

    happyscrapper nailed it. A large move towards a third party now would only serve to ensure the Dems another win in 2010.

12. #112
    On December 16th, 2009 at 8:38 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On December 16th, 2009 at 2:25 pm, Dexter Alarius said:
    THey should have had ‘Master Thespian’ William Shatner read it, with his beatnik band providing appropriate riffs.

    Democrats(kids): “Down with Grups!”
    “Bonk! Bonk! Lovey-Dovey!”
    “Blah! Blah! Blah!”

    Capt. Kirk: No Blah! Blah! Blah!

13. #113
    On December 16th, 2009 at 8:43 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On December 16th, 2009 at 5:23 pm, cicerokid said:
    Let Barry Hussein read it. He reads real good.

    Tru Dat! He be one articulate mofo, as long as there is an electrical outlet nearby!

14. #114
    On December 16th, 2009 at 9:08 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Excellent polling news! Dems are sinking fast and prospects look grim for 2010. GOP? Curb your enthusiasm.

    But public displeasure with Democrats wasn’t translating directly into warmth for Republicans. Twenty-eight percent of voters expressed positive feelings about the GOP — a number that has remained constant through the Democrats’ decline over the summer and fall. Only 5% said their feelings toward the Republicans were “very positive.”

    For those of you who believe that voting for a 3rd party is a losing strategy, we might see in 2012 whether you will continue to vote for your favorite 3rd party, the GOP. Support of Republicans keeps dropping too.

    It’s great being us!

15. #115
    On December 16th, 2009 at 9:17 pm, rightisright said:

    Sadly, the Idiot American Electorate is nowhere near intelligent enough to comprehend such truths.

    I couldn’t agree more, we keep seeing and hearing how smart the American voters are , how they pick up on all this crap being shoved down our throats. That being the case how did we end with such crooked, self-centered, elitists that control congress not to mention the worse, most un_American president and administration?

16. #116
    On December 16th, 2009 at 9:38 pm, rightisright said:

    Thank heaven for the few congressmen we have like Coburn, DeMint, Sessions and a few others. Go get men we need you more than ever to save this(once?) great country.

17. #117
    On December 16th, 2009 at 11:13 pm, drfredc said:

    Never let a Crisis go unused…
    The GOP should start proposing amendments (written in clear English, not legaleze since they’ll never get adopted). After the English reading, another GOP senator should ask the amendment be read in Spanish so the Spanish speaking folks understand the amendment, then Swahili, etc, etc.

    So long as the liberal packed courts have declared there’s no English is the official langauge, seems everyone deserves the debate and amendments be offered in everyone’s language…

    If the Dem’s want to stop it, simple, propose an English Offical Language amendment to health reform… Squeeze the Dems for all they are worth…

    Then run on these issues (simple health reform and English as Offical Language) in 2010.

18. #118
    On December 17th, 2009 at 12:28 am, WarEagle82 said:

    No offense, but these leftist clowns have ignored and flaunted the US Constitution at will. Does anyone really think they care about breaking “Roberts Rules of Order” in the Senate?

    The whole thing is a charade and they will do whatever it takes to pass this monstrosity regardless of how loudly the American people scream at them!

    Parliamentary rules are not going to stop these folks!

19. #120
    On December 17th, 2009 at 10:18 am, mattm said:

    Waaah…

    I was fun watchign MSNBC whinign about the Clerk having to read the thing. Hey idiot, that’s their job.