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1. #201
   On December 19th, 2009 at 3:42 pm, jangar said:

   Unfortunately, they already smell like that in my fridge!

   You got libs in your fridge?

   Try a can of BugBomb.

2. #202
   On December 19th, 2009 at 3:49 pm, Major O said:

   The funny thing is that people say it couldn’t happen here. As if the Romans, French, Germans, English, Dutch etc., etc. were some different species of human than Americans. It’s that exact naivete that will enable it to actually happen here.

   And don’t think that just because the majority of people oppose this healthcare that it translates into a conservative sweep. People will say “Well, I really didn’t want that healthcare bill, but it can’t be as bad as having a REPUBLICAN takeover!” because by and large our populace has been taught so many lies and negativity about conservatism, it is akin to the boogeman for most. It is the vague, unknown, ineffable “bad” that I can’t explain, I just know somebody taught me I don’t want it. It has become irrational.

   Liberals will console themselves as they vote to keep Nancy in power that it is like Bush’s missteps with drug entitlements, “No child left behind” and his spending push; after all, conservatives by and large still supported him after those mistakes, so why can’t they support the Dems even if they pass a bill “progressives” hate?

   The bill will take a while to “hurt” for most people, I bet, so you don’t even have the benefit of the average person feeling the pain that would cause them to consider voting for the other side.

3. #203
   On December 19th, 2009 at 3:57 pm, emjem24 said:

   The joke’s on Nelson because these shallow Dem double-crossers will just betray him. It’s really pretty sad how the only way the Dems could guarantee Nelson’s vote was to give something to Nebraska. Do Nebraskans really want that? I don’t think so.

   Politics is just a game to Dems. It doesn’t matter if they embarrass their constituents or this country as long as they get their guaranteed paycheck for life and a few million people get healthcare that they’re NOT entitled to. No one wants to ask the deeper questions of these people.

   The sooner the USA goes bankrupt the better. China and the world can no longer pay for our “whims” and the USA doesn’t have the money to bribe developing and undeveloped countries to combat global warming. I never thought the prospect of bankruptcy would be appealing until this year.

   What a sad state of affairs we’re all in. Why have a child and bring them up in this when their education and future prospects are in peril by the shenanigans of these people? I find more and more that I have less and less in common with this country. I’m a hard-working person who just wants to be LEFT ALONE. How freakin’ hard is that to understand?

   Here’s some advice to the Federal government: get the hell out of my life!!! Because of your mishandling of the military you’ve screwed up my healthcare (Tricare) and my employment. You don’t have a right to put my country or my life in peril too. Sorry, but I’m done. I pay my taxes but you don’t get to dictate my life.

   Sorry, liberals, you think Repubs and conservatives are trying to interfere with people’s private lives then what the hell are you doin’? What’s your excuse? You’re just as fascistic and controlling as the other party.

   And you know it. Everyone knows it.

4. #204
   On December 19th, 2009 at 4:02 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

   “As if the Romans, French, Germans, English, Dutch etc., etc. were some different species of human than Americans. It’s that exact naivete that will enable it to actually happen here.”

   Well Major the answer is we are different. So you solution is some elite group should be in power but the elite group should be conservative in its ideals so you are comfortable with it. The problem now is its liberals who are in charge of us stupid morons who are naive? We need someone older and wiser telling us what to do it just needs to be be conservatives doing so?

   Otherwise its hopeless cause you are leaving the running of this country to us naive folks?

5. #205
   On December 19th, 2009 at 4:03 pm, jangar said:

   The joke’s on Nelson because these shallow Dem double-crossers will just betray him.

   I think that’s the whole plan. Then Nelson can excuse himself from voting for it. Democrats eat their own if necessary. The end game for them is power and walkin’ around money.

6. #206
   On December 19th, 2009 at 4:06 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

   Nelson got what Nelson wanted. Money for Nebraska. He doesn’t care where the money comes from. He saw the financial impact on Nebraska and offset it. He did exactly what one would expect him to do. Why any conservative put any kind of hope in Nelson is beyond me.

   He did exactly want one would expect.

   As did the representative from Louisana in the House.

7. #207
   On December 19th, 2009 at 4:06 pm, rightisright said:

   did anyone ever really think this spineless demorat wouldn’t cave? There is not one, one mind you demorat in congress with a spine and backbone, not to mention love and loyalty to the country. It’s all for their party, party, party and here’s the CHANGE oh blue lips was talking about, MARXISM! I hope everyone of you liberal, Marxists that voted for this socialist pig feel the brunt of all these unconstitutional activities 1st and hardest. I do not see one demorat that is not a traitor to the country, notice I did not say their country.
   May there be POX on everyone of you.

8. #208
   On December 19th, 2009 at 4:08 pm, crashemt said:

   Well, it was good while it lasted.

   I work(and probably soon to add the -ed to that word) in Health Care IT. I have several friends who are clinicians, nurses, administrators, techs, and even (dear God) lawyers.

   Many docs are looking at this with the intent to “move on” when the bill passes. The ones that are encouraged by this bill are the ones that the lawyers like, if you catch my drift.

   The nurses who are quality are looking at this and expecting to leave; either because the hospitals won’t be able to pay for their skills any more, or they know the lack of docs will mean their workload will jump massively. The nurses that like this bill are the ones you wouldn’t trust wiping your behind, let alone not screwing up a med administration.

   We are looking at the beginning of the end. If you have something that you need done, get it done. If you are over 55, and are looking at a potential joint replacement, don’t wait any more. the Democrats are going to complete what John Edwards started with the OB/GYN community: They will drive out competent practitioners, leaving behind clinicians who lack the skills or drive to excel.

   The only hope we have is to be able to recruit a whole bunch of excellent foreign docs who are skilled and cheap. That’s the VA model, but it hasn’t worked very well for them.

   Hopefully, this will give the American people the courage and the drive to vote all of them out in 2010!

9. #209
   On December 19th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:

   Major O,

   I feel your pain. But you can get on my last nerve in a hurry singing the praises of inept presidential candidate John McCain. Yea, he was a war hero; I heard already. That was a long time ago. He’s had a lifetime of honor and respect for that heroism, which he deserved, but it did not qualify him to be president. He was a terrible candidate in an impossible year for a rudderless GOP. He is irascible, self-righteous, not very conservative — except fiscally — a suckup to the media, and a “Republican” who toyed with with joining the Kerry ticket as a the veep candidate. And, oh yea, the chief proponent of amnesty. As a senator he is a lot like Snow and Collins and Specter.

   It is a tough day to be a conservative and yours is the second lengthy post on this tread that includes a lamentation about the ill fortune of that great Republican John McCain. It is a tough day to listen to such crap, although I am otherwise generally appreciative of your comments.

   I wonder if “Major O” refers to career military service. I did not bit, 66-69, including an OCS commission, which I site merely to say that I did more than stand where they told me to stand (like Al Gore); I stood up, took responsibility, and made what contribution I could. I honor and support the military.

   But I am frankly very concerned about the excessive, one-dimensional admiration for McCain by many military folks. You don’t earn the presidency of the United States in a POW camp, however heroic your service. John McCain, Lindsey Graham…these are the MSM’s favorite Republicans. Would he be a better president than Obama? It’d be a close call. Because the ~first~ thing that John McCain would have done would have been to push amnesty through. If and when that happens, it will permanently change the political demographics of the country to be more like the politics of Mexico and Latin America, to be more emotional, less respectful of the Anglo-European heritage and more Leftist. It will be irreversible. Obama’s capital may be spent now; he may not be able to pass amnesty. If HCR goes into effect, it will take a generation, but we might be able eventually to work our way out of it. If we turn ourselves into more of a Latin American than an Anglo or Euro American country, that brings with it a set of attitudes and political traditions that we could never hope to reverse.

   Of all the things that I am upset about today, the fact that John McCain is not the president is not one of them. (BTW, I held my nose and voted for him.)

10. #210
    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:11 pm, rocketman said:

    ***
    HI BATMAN–#157. Save the lump of charcoal–or coal–it will be needed to stay warm when C**P and TAX or the EPA carbon “poison” regulation C**P SANDWICHES are “teed up” and passed next.
    ***
    Just P**P in the Xmas stocking and send it to your “representative” or Senator. Rhambo “dead fish” style–but cheaper, and yucckier!
    ***
    Don’t forget to put a good return address on the package–Use Bill Ayers! And wear an Obama Joker mask when you put it in the mailbox.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

11. #211
    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:12 pm, Cicero said:

    There are not words to express the depth of my anger at these criminals. I want to see a Democratic bloodbath in 2010.

12. #212
    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:16 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    I just contacted Webb, even though I believe the battle to be lost.

    Amazing how far a nation can fall so fast.

13. #213
    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, NC BLUE said:

    My friends–John McCain is THE reason we are where we are today. The media and Dems set him up to be the Repub. nominee and then turned on him. I am retired military and I have little respect for McCain–he lies and his positions change with the wind. Palin is the only thing that prevented a massacre lat Nov.

14. #214
    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:21 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “The nurses who are quality are looking at this and expecting to leave; either because the hospitals won’t be able to pay for their skills any more, or they know the lack of docs will mean their workload will jump massively. The nurses that like this bill are the ones you wouldn’t trust wiping your behind, let alone not screwing up a med administration.”

    Given that I am a nurse, let me share with you…..

    1. The nurses for this bill don’t wipe behinds in the first place. Any more than the union leadership that is for this bill build cars. In general the rank and file nurses, at least here in Arizona, are NOT for this bill. Some vehemently opposed to it.

    2. The impact on salaries in nursing is probably so far out in the future it will be hard to guess now. However the bigger impact on nursing and the quality of your health care has been in place for some time. You see it based on staffing ratio. When in the hospital now nurses carry more patients than safe to care for. AND you have less qualified people doing stuff to you when in the medical system. Not just in nursing but you have a growing number of physical therapy assistants, pharmacy assitants, etc., delivering care. Any industry attempts to lower its overhead. By using less trained/qualified staff who get paid less you end up reducing your overhead.

    3. Those of us inside the industry have been trying to get folks attention for some time in terms of the impact on quality of care that law suits have had, care options, etc., and as of yet it gets lip service but no concrete action.

    4. Nurses will continue to leave nursing and make as much money managing a McDonalds. We do so because of the work environment more so than government policies. I suspect the nature of the exodus and reasons for it will continue to be unchanged.

    5. When this thing hits doctor salaries however, THEN and only THEN, will you see some serious action.

15. #215
    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:21 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    ” I believe the battle to be lost.”

    That is a sad statement. The battle has just begun.

16. #216
    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:23 pm, cwbois said:

    BOB SCHIEFFER, to Katie Couric, on last night’s “CBS Evening News”: “No one can say exactly what’s in it, how much it’s going to cost. What we’re hearing and seeing here tonight, Katie, is the legislative process at its worst.”

    Well Bob maybe you in the Lamestream Media should have thought of that before you salivated over these bums, Shame on you and Shame on them>

17. #217
    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:24 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    You see, there is a commercial for 2010 and Bob Schiefer wrote it for us.

    Picture of Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi on the screen. Bob Scheiffer’s voice underneath.

    All done!

18. #218
    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:33 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, NC BLUE said:

    My friends–John McCain is THE reason we are where we are today. The media and Dems set him up to be the Repub. nominee and then turned on him. I am retired military and I have little respect for McCain–he lies and his positions change with the wind. Palin is the only thing that prevented a massacre lat Nov.

    Good post, NC Blue…I am right there with you, my friend. I especially like to see military folks — active or retired — who can see past the military heroism of McCain to what he actually has been like as a politician.

    I, also, am in NC. When I was ranting up thread about McCain, I was trying to remember the incident where a NC group tried to make Obama an issue in a state race. I can’t quite remember the tact they took but I remember that it was pretty aggressive, perhaps not wise, but ~definitely~ in bounds.

    McCain showboated in the media suggesting that they were being racist and throwing them under the bus to show how righteous he was. Gosh, that infuriated me. He could have distanced himself and discouraged them without playing the damn race card. Despicable.

    Oh yea, I think it was about Jeremiah Wright…something like that. Merely alluding to Jeremiah Wright in a political ad gets GOP supporters branded racist by McCain. And this is how he treats his supporters. Gosh I hate him so bad.

19. #219
    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:34 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “John McCain is THE reason”

    Say what? That’s quite dysfunctional there. Its John McCain’s fault?

    I guess your wife made you drink too.

20. #220
    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, By Choice said:

    On the tele-conference call with McCain/Kyl last tuesday the question was posed why the senators are not shouting unconstitutional from the floor. The response was” Because that is not the issue here. Should this bill pass it will be up to the courts to determine if it was “constitutional” or not. The Repubs will use all the parliamentary procedures at our disposal to delay the vote as long as possible” WTF???? Yes, its McLame’s fault and every other Republican who has been reaching across the aisle for how many years to appease the Dims? Gee, if any of them would have had the balls to stand up on the floor and loudly proclaim that the Health Care bill was unconstitutional and not stop saying it then Mr. Ben Nelson would not have had the opportunity to rape us all with his little Reid deal. Nebraska doesn’t have to pay their state share of Medicaid any more!!!!

    I went on to the Nebraska web site and they have a entrepreneurial co-op called ‘Grow Nebraska” with 325 small business members who sell on ebay. I am going to email the co-op and all the businesses that I can find web sites for and tell them that I am boycotting them and their products because their Senator Nelson has wormed a deal from Reid that makes it so that they never have to pay the state share of medicaid again. Since the rest of the country now has to pick up the tab someone in Nebraska has to offset the money that is being taken from my pocket. I choose the Grow Nebraska to pay the piper. Tit for tat is how the saying goes, does it not??

    I also intend to write to the Gov of Nebraska and telling him what I am doing and I am hoping that this will go viral. Especially since GROW NEBRASKA was a project of the SBA—also taxpayer money used to set it up.

    This is Alinsky tactics: “Rule 8: Keep the pressure on! With different tactics and actions and utilize all events of the period for your own purpose.”

    If all the Tea Party People got behind this in the next three days–do you not think that there would be a change of heart in Mr. Nelson come the vote???

    It is time to play DIRTY!!! Anybody else out there up to the challenge??

21. #221
    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:48 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:21 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    That is a sad statement. The battle has just begun.

    What are you talking about? The bill will be passed, forever transforming the relationship between citizen and gov’t. As the number of people who get everything while contributing nothing grows, so will the electoral power of whoever promises to give them more.

    Some people have hope for the future. I’m not one of them.

22. #222
    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:50 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “The bill will be passed, forever transforming”

    Nope. Nothing forever about it and nothing about a particular bill being passed is final. The battle is not over. In fact the battle will never be over. Nothing has been settled.

    Get busy locally and get conservatives elected in 2010 local, state and federal levels.

    Nothing is over.

    Other than conservative folks resting on the heels and expecting politicians to stay conservative after elected.

    That is over.

    The battle however is not.

23. #223
    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:52 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Some people have hope for the future. I’m not one of them.”

    Then I’m sorry to say you are not a conservative. One of the main principles of conservativism is we can do things today that will make our tomorrows more free, more prosperous. In other words, HOPE.

    If you have no hope, get out of the way.

24. #224
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:06 pm, gco said:

    The bill will take a while to “hurt” for most people, I bet, so you don’t even have the benefit of the average person feeling the pain that would cause them to consider voting for the other side.

    The Marxicare takeover won’t begin to take effect until 2014. In the time up until then, we’ll basically have our health care system as it is. It has shortcomings, and they’re bad, but they are still greatly outweighed by its advantages. Until 2014, we’ll see all of the benefits of the present system played up as results of passage of the bill, and then when the bill kicks in, Obama will safely be in his second term, and as people begin to suffer in ways they never thought would happen in America, he’ll likely say something to the effect of “As I said at Christmas 2009, you American people will finally get the health care [I think] you deserve!”

25. #225
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:13 pm, JHSII said:

    I would like to say to all those people who say that voting for a 3rd party is throwing your vote away – just two words to remember -> Jeffords, Specter

    People did vote “Republican” in those races, and the “republican” won.

    How well exactly did that turn out, huh?

    If people would have voted for the Conservative over the Republican we might now be at 42-58 rather than 40-60.

    So, don’t tell me about how I must blindly vote “republican” or else the dems will win.
    People voted “republican” and guess what?
    Remember, you’re only allowed ONE guess…

26. #226
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:19 pm, rightisright said:

    If the choice is between war or the yoke of tyranny, I’ll take war.

    Without our Liberty what do we have?

    While Mcshame is being called out here, remember this?
    What a slap in the face that was to a man that was promoting and supporting this arrogant old man(i’m old too, i can say that). Made my stomach turn when I saw that on the news…McShame just told America he wasn’t in it for the fight, he surely didn’t want to offend a minority.

    Let me say, thank you, to all you military people here on this site you have my utmost appreciate for being Americans. I myself, sorry to say was 4f’d and rejected in ’69. It still bothers me I wasn’t able to serve.
    God bless you all.

27. #227
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:19 pm, jangar said:

    Obama will safely be in his second term

    I’d rather eat dirt.

28. #228
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:19 pm, SheetAnchor said:

    I must say as a Christian, today’s developments, though gravely disappointing, and grievous, are not surprising. As we all know, most of our elected representatives, are ruled by their own self-serving interests, and not that of the public good. Our citizens do not trust elected leaders for good reason – evidentiary corruption.

    This nation, as we all can plainly see, is on the verge of potentially irreversible calamity. I do not see any hope apart from the message I have recently posted to the thousands of Christian pastors in America today; who I am respectfully, ashamed to acknowledge, have remained largely silent about matters of national governance and politics – to the national detriment of the nation. The framers, before and during the Revolution, relied upon the strong preaching of the prominent pastors of the day, including Dr. Jonathan Mayhew, Reverend Charles Chauncy; and the Reverend George Whitefield; and many others. Today, the nation has lost its moral moorings; and has now set sail, and is adrift toward self-imposed destruction.

    My friends, as a Christian, I love God, and the Lord Jesus Christ; and having been blessed to be born an American, I have an unspeakable love for our nation and all of its people. Socialism, as anyone who understands basic economics knows, has never worked; and it cannot work, because it is simply not God’s way. No one is entitled to the fruit of someone else’s labor; each person must bear his own load; and you reap only what you sow. Violating the laws of God has consequences for individuals and nations. We are witnessing the consequences of the efforts to replace the moral law upon which this nation was founded, with the wisdom of men; the consequences thereof, a nation in decline and headed toward doom.

    I am not a pessimist, nor optimist; but rather a realist. America’s demise is not inevitable at this time, as God grants opportunity for repentance and restoration until the time of judgment; yet its future lies in our collective hands. President Kennedy’s inaugural words seem so poignant at this time, wherein he stated, “Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.”

    For anyone interested in perusing the open letter I have recently, and respectfully, written to Christian pastors, please click-on the link below. In effect, it is clarion call for action to save the nation from its impending peril. Blessings to you all ~

    http://www.sheetanchor.org/sheetanchor/node/20

29. #229
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:25 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    Gee – we didn’t vote out anybody who ignored us when they passed TARP despite the biggest uproar they’ve ever heard. Why on earth would they bother to listen to us now?

    Speaking of NOW, they’ve come out against the bill, but a prominent business CEO roundtable is thrilled.

    Meet the new boss, Democrats.

30. #230
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:28 pm, emjem24 said:

    jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Some people have hope for the future. I’m not one of them.”

    Then I’m sorry to say you are not a conservative. One of the main principles of conservativism is we can do things today that will make our tomorrows more free, more prosperous. In other words, HOPE.

    If you have no hope, get out of the way.

    You’re kidding me, right? You really don’t get it, do you? I’m with Matt on this one. Just because I’m pessimistic about the future, doesn’t mean I’m any less conservative.

    I love how you, and some other posters on this blog, think you’re arbiters of what is and isn’t “conservatism.” You and many other conservatives are living in denial if you think that you can defeat liberalism by reigniting the spirit of what “used” to make America great. You’re fighting a cultural tide.

    As a former teacher, I saw just how great that cultural tide has become. There are many Americans who don’t want to put their money where their mouths are and take their kids out of these obsolete, ill-managed, and inadequate purveyors of what stands for education today. They’d rather think they’re enjoying some “free” benefit than the boon (public education) to liberalism it actually is. How do you fight that?

    Liberals fight dirty. I know it first hand. If you don’t align with their “values,” you’re a military spouse or a conservative or something else they object to, forget about being hired in the public school system. There are many conservatives and liberals who run businesses but can’t get past the fact that military spouses move every couple of years. There are conservatives who are wishy-washy on just morals and ethics and slink away when challenged.

    I’m not slinking away but I’m also not stupid or ignorant of the realities of what our country faces. Liberalism and its socialist tentacles are creeping into everything that used to make America great. Education. Military. Arts. Capitalism. Republican form of government. It will be to the point that these people (liberals) will just change our form of government and make us another Venezuela. It’s what they want. Everybody has to be “equal” when life has never been about that.

    America has fundamentally changed. As an historian, and someone who used to teach Social Studies and History, I cannot fail to acknowledge it. It is up to us to prepare, adapt, and even overcome those changes if we have the right tools and strategies. It will be up to us to equip our children with the means of dealing with the circumstances facing us now and which will effect them in the future.

    This is not a good time for the US. And many of us know it. We did it to ourselves. All of us… for not taking a stand, or voting for McCain, or comforting ourselves that it was just slow-creeping Fabian socialism and we still have most of our country. I used to feel that Fabian socialism wasn’t so bad until I realized it’s been around for about 60 years and has seduced to the point of convincing MANY Americans they don’t need to work “as” hard as they used to. Be “as” independent as they used to. Be “as” family minded as they used to. Be “as” responsible as they used to. Or be “as” accountable (both morally, religiously, or ethically) as they used to.

    We’re a pampered, spoiled, overhyped, self-involved, and self-absorbed lot. And we’re getting what we have so slavishly (some of us anyway) been building towards for a very long time. It’s going to be very hard to stop the slide and tide of what’s coming. And acknowledging that the struggle might be futile doesn’t make me anymore of a defeatist than it does Matt.

    And you and other conservatives need to understand this.

31. #231
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:29 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, NC BLUE said:

    My friends–John McCain is THE reason we are where we are today. The media and Dems set him up to be the Repub. nominee and then turned on him.

    That may well be true, but when TARP surfaced McCain was polling pretty closely to Obama. If he had voted against it, he’d be president today.

    However, I suspect his health care bill would look pretty much like this one anyway, so it doesn’t really matter in that respect.

32. #232
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:33 pm, Major O said:

    I feel your pain. But you can get on my last nerve in a hurry singing the praises of inept presidential candidate John McCain. Yea, he was a war hero; I heard already. That was a long time ago. He’s had a lifetime of honor and respect for that heroism, which he deserved, but it did not qualify him to be president. He was a terrible candidate in an impossible year for a rudderless GOP. He is irascible, self-righteous, not very conservative — except fiscally — a suckup to the media, and a “Republican” who toyed with with joining the Kerry ticket as a the veep candidate. And, oh yea, the chief proponent of amnesty. As a senator he is a lot like Snow and Collins and Specter.

    Yes, the major does refer to military service, which is current.
    My praise of McCain was only for what he has done that is admirable against the likes of Obama. If I had had my way, I would have had someone on the order of Duncan Hunter or Rick Santorum–but that wasn’t the choice offered me at the last election.

    But you can get on my last nerve in a hurry singing the praises of inept presidential candidate John McCain.

    I’m not commenting on here to court yours or anyone else’s favor.

    My point was simply that say what you will about McCain, at least he put his money where his mouth is when it counted and the fact that his life meant nothing to so many as opposed to Nobama. McCain is not a conservative and I’m not fooled on that point, but given a choice between him and Obama, at least I can respect McCain on some level. Not to mention, he had a REAL conservative as his VP. NO i’m not pro-amnesty, climate changey or a supporter of the Gang of 14. But I have a heck of a lot more respect for him than some slick-talking empty suit from Chicago who’s too scared to show his academic history.

33. #233
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:35 pm, Major O said:

    America has fundamentally changed. As an historian, and someone who used to teach Social Studies and History, I cannot fail to acknowledge it. It is up to us to prepare, adapt, and even overcome those changes if we have the right tools and strategies. It will be up to us to equip our children with the means of dealing with the circumstances facing us now and which will effect them in the future.

    A hearty amen to that.

34. #234
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:35 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:50 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Nope. Nothing forever about it and nothing about a particular bill being passed is final. The battle is not over. In fact the battle will never be over. Nothing has been settled.

    Nothing is over.

    n December 19th, 2009 at 4:52 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Then I’m sorry to say you are not a conservative. One of the main principles of conservativism is we can do things today that will make our tomorrows more free, more prosperous. In other words, HOPE.

    If you have no hope, get out of the way.

    Interesting. I always thought one of the main principles of conservatism was dealing with reality, not having one’s head up one’s tail. If this doesn’t radically alter things, why are we fighting so hard against it? All those nations we always allude to, Canada, England, etc they sure aren’t having a tough time repealing their socialized medicine, are they?

    Oh, and I’ll thank YOU not to define ME, person I don’t know and will never meet. I’m out. Internet arguments are for people who aren’t me.

35. #235
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:41 pm, Major O said:

    My point was simply that say what you will about McCain, at least he put his money where his mouth is when it counted and the fact that his life meant nothing to so many (people who by the way said they admired him) as opposed to Nobama.

    I was against McCain’s candidacy from the get go and was basically boxed into a corner to support Mitt Romney after Duncan Hunter dropped out early in the game. He’s not a great conservative whatsoever, but he’s a better man than Obama, IMO.

36. #236
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:43 pm, Major O said:

    Boy did I screw that last post up even more. I meant to correct this post:

    My point was simply that say what you will about McCain, at least he put his money where his mouth is when it counted and the fact that his life meant nothing to so many (people who by the way said they admired him) as opposed to Nobama.

    Preview is my friend, indeed!

37. #237
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:43 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:

    JHS…I don’t think that most of us who talkdown — in general terms — a third party are declaring fierce loyalty to the GOP. I certainly am not. I’ll vote for the best candidate who has a reasonable chance to win. What I will not do become a loyalist to some ~other~ party and start making a point of irrationally voting against Republicans.

    We don’t have two-party politics because people particularly support that type of arrangement as an abstract. We have it because our electoral processes strongly favor that arrangement. Multiple parties prosper where the elections are structured differently than in our system. Pushing third-partys is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. The system is against you.

    The problem is that many of us don’t feel that either party is representing us. You never win anything in politics except by fighting successfully for it. Our system dictates that if you are acutely dissatisfied, you pick one of the two parties and try to reform it/seize it/throw the bums out. After all, who cares if “our” party has the elephant for its logo and is known by the nickname, “GOP,” or some other name. What matters is who the leaders are and what the policies are. You will always have to fight to get into place the people and ideas who you favor.

    Learn from history; we don’t have the energy to waste on a quixotic campaign. If, for example, the Tea Party movement has the strength to become a third party, then it has the strength to seize control of the GOP. If it can not gain ground within the GOP, then that is all you need to know about how much strength you have.

    Anyone can look at the history and see that — on the presidential level — third parties benefit the opposite party. Why repeat that history?

    (BTW, I think the tea party movement has been a great thing. But I see it as an angry, much-needed, reform movement essentially within GOP, however much people declare their independence. I want to see that power used to force the GOP to become what we’d like it to be rather than become some kind of Bull Moose fiasco that benefits the Dems.)

38. #238
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:44 pm, NC BLUE said:

    Marco–McCain would have done amnesty first, then cap and trade, then healthcare–but I don’t think his healthcare would be quite this atrocious. He should have kept on the campaign trail, but his inner urge to always reach across the aisle got the best of him. He was hoodwinked again–but didn’t even realize it. He should have turned Palin loose, but his Rino minions throttled her. He was and is weak–period. Arizona can have him.

39. #239
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:50 pm, Major O said:

    BTW, I think the tea party movement has been a great thing. But I see it as an angry, much-needed, reform movement essentially within GOP, however much people declare their independence. I want to see that power used to force the GOP to become what we’d like it to be rather than become some kind of Bull Moose fiasco that benefits the Dems.

    Part of the problem seems to be that conservatives tend to rise up when they see things going radically wrong but ease up dramatically during “business as usual” (perceived) while Liberals are ALWAYS PRESSING ON ALL FRONTS to forward their agenda.

40. #240
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:50 pm, emjem24 said:

    mattymatt10 said:

    Oh, and I’ll thank YOU not to define ME, person I don’t know and will never meet. I’m out. Internet arguments are for people who aren’t me.

    Post of the day! We’re often argumentive over semantics on this blog. I often feel that this blog, and others like it, would be a useful tool to prepare for a rhetoric class or debate team.

    What I DO like is the sharing of perspective with people that are diverse and live all across the country, or in some cases, overseas. I do enjoy THAT. Not so much the in-fighting or trying to pin down what and what isn’t conservatism.

    I do admit…. it can be draining. And I’m just a bit heartsick and sad about the way things are to really argue about things that may NEVER change. I’d rather just avoid the eventual migraine from the exercise.

    So, instead, I’ll walk my pugs, look at people’s Christmas lights, and pretend for a little while, that life doesn’t suck right now. I’m so glad I don’t have children…. it would be hard for me to put on a fake smile and say that everything is okay while I secretly cry inside.

    It’s just been a very hard year for me personally, professionally, and politically. And I’ve shed tears over it. Then again, that’s me…

41. #241
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:54 pm, Major O said:

    It’s just been a very hard year for me personally, professionally, and politically. And I’ve shed tears over it. Then again, that’s me…

    emjem24, I’m really sorry to hear that friend, and if there’s anything I’ve said that has made you feel that I’m being less than respectful, my apologies right up front. May the Lord bless you with a better year to come!

    I hear what you are saying, though. It fascinates me how quickly folks are willing to make an enemy out of someone they hardly know, but I think the Internet by its very nature tends to bring that out in us all too often.

42. #242
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:56 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “not having one’s head up one’s tail.”

    So unless we capitulate and surrender we have our head up our ass?

43. #243
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:57 pm, JConrad999 said:

    Hey, Nelson. YOU ARE FIRED. You’re gone. Start packing.

44. #244
    On December 19th, 2009 at 5:59 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “I’ll thank YOU not to define ME”

    Take it as you like. You are the one who volunteered you have no hope.

    Me, I have hope. I have hope in the American people. My head is not up my ass. We have work to do. Life is not over. The sky has not fallen. Our future and the future of our country is right where it has always been. In the hands of people who are willing to work for and sacrifice for liberty.

    Or you can give up and hide and have no hope.

    Seems to me you defined yourself quite clearly. Sorry if I can read.

    Get busy. Get to work. We have not lost anything as the battle is ongoing.

45. #245
    On December 19th, 2009 at 6:02 pm, Major O said:

    Get busy. Get to work. We have not lost anything as the battle is ongoing.

    Well, I think we HAVE lost some things but agreed that we have long-term, generational work to do to push back the advance of statism.

46. #246
    On December 19th, 2009 at 6:03 pm, dtestard said:

    Is anyone else thinking the Republicans will cave on the schedule, just so they can go home earlier?

    Will the Republicans really fight for what’s good for the country, or are they only playing out what is politically expedient for their party, at the moment (which would change on Christmas Eve).

    Unfortunately, in terms of parties, I don’t see that there are good guys and bad guys in the Senate anymore… there are just bad guys and worse guys.

47. #247
    On December 19th, 2009 at 6:05 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 3:42 pm, jangar said:
    Unfortunately, they already smell like that in my fridge!
    You got libs in your fridge?

    Try a can of BugBomb.

    Deviled eggs are made and now my grandson is here! I have safely jammed the libs that were in my fridge down the disposal and ran it a good long time. Mission accomplished. Have a good night everyone. I will be rather tied up until Monday! Fun stuff.

48. #248
    On December 19th, 2009 at 6:06 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Major O, you make a good point about the differences in the hot-and-cold conservative effort versus the constant pressure from the Leftists. I used to listen to NPR quite a bit — although I just can’t much stand it anymore — and I used to be amazed at the people who called and identified their occupations as working in “peace and justice.” Or students who were majoring in “peace studies.” And millions of them find regular, paid occupations, like teaching, where they integrate their political leanings into their work.

    Conservatives really don’t like politics very much and tend to put their energies into ordinary careers and family life except in times of crisis.

    I think another factor is that being a conservative is a bit of a bummer. We see limits and risks; we see the history; we see the grim possibilities; we are a bit pessimistic; we “stand athwart history and yell stop.”

    Libs get to go to hootenannies and be part a righteous crusade; they have a gleam in their eye because they think — like Karl Marx and so many others — that they have the plan for the uplifting of mankind.

49. #249
    On December 19th, 2009 at 6:07 pm, happyscrapper said:

    P.S. This has been a great thread. No hijacking, just great discussion and some good points made. I enjoyed it very much.

50. #250
    On December 19th, 2009 at 6:12 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Salute…happyscapper.

51. #251
    On December 19th, 2009 at 6:20 pm, NC BLUE said:

    Hey IR–what part of NC do you call home?—I’m in the Lake Norman area north of Charlotte.

52. #252
    On December 19th, 2009 at 6:23 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:

    I’m in Cary, Blue. I had a job a few years ago, though, that had me around Lake Norman all the time. Used to stay at the Davidson Inn (I think it was called).

53. #253
    On December 19th, 2009 at 6:32 pm, NC BLUE said:

    Cary–Containment Area for Relocated Yankees–LOL. We’ll be in that area for Christmas.
    Merry Christmas to all. Let the fight begin in earnest in 2010. Off to watch Christma movies and eat homemade ranch and peanut butter cookies.

54. #254
    On December 19th, 2009 at 6:36 pm, jangar said:

    Or students who were majoring in “peace studies.”

    Code for smokin’ dope. Now they run the ‘joint’.

55. #255
    On December 19th, 2009 at 6:37 pm, jangar said:

    By the way happyscrapper, I thought of you earlier today watching Happy Feet.

56. #256
    On December 19th, 2009 at 7:02 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    got this in an email (edited to take out the advert stuff)

    ALERT: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has scheduled the vote on the ObamaCare bill, the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” – THIS WEEKEND.

    You read that right: the liberal Democrats are preparing to sneak through their socialist health care bill… IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT!

    – MONDAY, DEC 21st — 1 am — Cloture vote on manager’s amendment 
(this is Reid’s “secret deal” that will serve as a substitute for the decoy that was the 2,074-page bill the Senate has been debating for the past three weeks)

    –TUESDAY, DEC 22nd –7 am — Cloture vote on full substitute bill

    –WEDNESDAY, DEC 23rd — 1 pm — Cloture vote on overall bill

    –THURSDAY, CHRISTMAS EVE — 7 pm — Final passage vote on health care reform — THEY ONLY NEED 51 VOTES TO PASS IT THEN!

57. #257
    On December 19th, 2009 at 7:19 pm, FireBlogger said:

    My first impression after Sen Nelson caved was it felt as though I am witnessing a coup of sorts. Not in the traditional sense but in this case the legislative road to takeover.

    ….and I feel powerless. The idea the Senate leader can hold session behind closed doors with a team from the executive branch, with no representation by the “opposition”, and write a bill that forces the citizenry to purchase a service is counter to everything I know about my country.

    The fact Nelson, like Landrieu was bribed, and that he took it is beyond incredible.

    Electing this empty suit, this man child without a verified background in the end will prove to be the biggest mistake ever made in this country.

    Had he been elected when a Republican congress was seated the danger he presents could have been blunted.

    The tragedy of a Pelosi and Reed in charge of the Legislative branch while he is pres is the perfect storm for the downfall of the USA.

    I feel I am being objective in my reasoning. We’re screwed for now. 2010 may allow us to stop the bleeding.

58. #258
    On December 19th, 2009 at 7:49 pm, jangar said:

    Larry McDonald was an example of a Democrat who was a true conservative

    No doubt with a healthy fear of the Lord, which is completely lacking in our current crop of crap.

59. #260
    On December 19th, 2009 at 7:56 pm, jangar said:

    The fact Nelson, like Landrieu was bribed, and that he took it is beyond incredible.

    A convenient obstacle. I think Nelson was ‘in’ all the time, regardless of abortion (a card to play for voters). It comes down to a party loyalty issue. My 2 Dumocrats will do the same (Lincoln/Pryor). Doesn’t matter to them. They’ll have the party to take care of them, when they loose election.

60. #261
    On December 19th, 2009 at 7:57 pm, jangar said:

    Yup, Party over people and principles.

61. #262
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:15 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    Ray Stevens has it right….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_-L4fyLUo&feature=player_embedded

62. #263
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:23 pm, jangar said:

    A cry was heard in the cold night air…

    “The Liberals are coming…the Liberals are coming!”

63. #264
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:45 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    THIS Republican accomplished what they set out to accomplish. Although they presided over the surrender of liberty in America, they did it a spirit of commity and good fellowship with their friends across the aisle. These are the guys who argue that Republicans will better protect America from terrorists? They send soldiers to die for freedom oversees but they can’t even raise their voices in Congress?

    If in 2012 we have to choose between THIS Republican 3rd party or their good friends across the aisle, I’m again going to vote further down the ballot.

64. #265
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:47 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    I swear words disappear between “preview” and “submit”. My last comment should have read:

    THIS Republican party accomplished what they set out to accomplish. Although they presided over the surrender of liberty in America, they did it in a spirit of commity and good fellowship with their friends across the aisle.

65. #266
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:51 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Scott Johnson over at Powerline is reporting that the Dems may not have the 60 votes. It’s not over even if they do but if they don’t, after today’s victory dance, egg will meet face.

66. #267
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:57 pm, ErinF said:

    Bastards.

    If this doesn’t instigate a revolution, nothing will.

67. #268
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:05 pm, rightisright said:

    Unfortunately, in terms of parties, I don’t see that there are good guys and bad guys in the Senate anymore… there are just bad guys and worse guys.

    I agree for the most part, can’t see discarding Coburn, DeMint, Sessions and a few others..the others need to be replaced NOW!

68. #269
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:07 pm, bjc said:

    *Expect Nelson to be the 60th for cloture, but then expect him to vote no on the bill; Typical political CYA as a few others will peel off to hopefully save their seats; It won’t work this time as many will be punished severly in 2010 and 2012.
    *No matter what happens on Christmas Eve, the Republicans need to start out 2010 pledging that if put back in power, they will repeal all legislation signed in to law or put forth by the Dems deemed to be destructive by the American people, which at present is all of it.
    *It would also help if they call the Dems what they are, the “Death to America” Party, doing more damage than Al Queda could dream of doing; Remember, the truth hurts, but political correctness kills, and they must get past that to succeed.

69. #270
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:20 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    The only difference between having the Dems in control and having THIS Republican party in control is that with the Dems in control, you don’t need the “Gangs of McCain” to deliver landmark liberal victories to the Democrats by one vote. Why would we want THIS Republican party back in control? What difference would it make?

70. #272
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:30 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    I truly believe this legislation will stand the test of time…the lives of millions of Americans will be improved.

    … especially once this knife is removed from my back …

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

71. #273
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:34 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    And of course, the vote’s not until 1 a.m. Monday, so there’s still time for more public pressure. (from Phil’s link)

    Isn’t that just like the Donks?

    Can’t take a vote while America is wide awake and watching C-Span.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

72. #274
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:37 pm, Thomas said:

    What’s the link to your personal blog again?

    I didn’t quite see it the first two times.

73. #275
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:38 pm, BOB said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:51 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
    Scott Johnson over at Powerline is reporting that the Dems may not have the 60 votes. It’s not over even if they do but if they don’t, after today’s victory dance, egg will meet face.

    Some of the Senators who either didn’t ask for a payoff, or have decided they need a bigger payoff after seeing what Nelson got may be holding out for more money.

74. #276
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:43 pm, Send_Me said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:05 pm, rightisright said:
    I agree for the most part, can’t see discarding Coburn, DeMint, Sessions and a few others..the others need to be replaced NOW!

    Ok, by whom? And I don’t mean who will vote to replace them. I mean, who will run in their stead? Where are the “conservatives”?
    But while on the topic of elections, where have the “conservatives” been when it’s been time to vote? They talk a big game, but they consistently fail to vote on principle. For whatever reason they’ve marginalized themselves by witlessly voting for any fool with an “R” next to his name rather than even considering voting for a 3rd Party candidate. THAT is why we are where we are. Newsflash: Republican = RINO. RINOs make up the majority of the party. It’s only those few such as DeMint, Coburn, and Inhofe that can claim the title “conservative” anymore. The sooner “conservatives” come to this realization the better, because right now neither Republicans nor Democrats could care any less for them as a voting block. Why should they? They know that they’ll always vote Republican, regardless of the Republican’s behavior or voting record because 1) “conservatives” will never vote Democrat, and 2) “conservatives” will never “waste their vote” on a 3rd Party candidate.

75. #277
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:53 pm, kurthanson said:

    All the other senators who promised to vote for Obamacare must be feeling jipped seeing that Nelson was paid off big time for his vote.

    What do they have to show for their uncritical support? Nelson and Landrieu sold their votes for hundreds of millions of dollars.

76. #278
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:00 pm, Cosmo said:

    Hey Senate: I’ll be working on Christmas Eve for the first time since High School…and traveling home to see my family on Christmas Day.

    Since you work for me and continually assert that you’re public servants, then stay on the job like I’m staying on the job. Like truckers are staying on the job. Like law enforcement is staying on the job.

    Don’t rush it. Don’t screw it up (ha ha). And don’t ramrod crap down my throat.

77. #279
    On December 19th, 2009 at 11:20 pm, rightisright said:

    wow, my drugs must be wearing off, how could of forgotten Inhofe, that man is as good as they get. I emailed all of them to thank them for their efforts and fight against this invasion of Marxist dolts out to destroy America.

    I think you over reached on your ridicule of conservatives voting for an “R” irregardless of their political leanings. “They talk a big game, but they consistently fail to vote on principle. For whatever reason they’ve marginalized themselves by witlessly voting for any fool with an “R” next to his name rather than even considering voting for a 3rd Party candidate.” Slow down on your generalizations, I feel the same that is the case with most conservatives/republicans, as dems, they are ill informed until it’s too late. Last years election is a perfect example.

    I personally voted for McShame basically for one reason, the reason, the name of Sarah. McAmnesty didn’t want to win he wanted to be in the lime light and keep that senatorial comity in tack, he did not fight. He must have lost his fight at the H.H. I also did not vote for, the 2 term Senator in my state of Orygun. He is, was a RINO, double talk especially on the subject of illegal aliens, family owns a large produce company here. I actually voted for the person I thought would do a better job, knowing full well she would not win(Constitution Party). After I ask myself was that really the right thing to do? I did not want to see my Senator re-elected then vote for amnesty, now we end up with die hard liberal, Marxist, Merkley who doesn’t understand the preamble to the constitution.

78. #280
    On December 19th, 2009 at 11:56 pm, CJ said:

    Well, I’m a bit pessimistic tonight, too. I don’t call that un-conservative, I call it realistic. And it doesn’t mean we’ve surrendered, but I think it’s time to start finalizing contingency plans for what we do if this thing passes. Because even if it passes, we can STILL fight.

    1. Court challenges. Forever and ever and ever. Tie the thing up in as many courts as possible for as many years as possible. Delay. Delay. Delay.

    2. If we can flip the House in 2010, we could stop funding on all the pieces that would be needed to get this monstrosity implemented on time. (Like a government project was going to come in on time and on budget anyway.)

79. #281
    On December 20th, 2009 at 12:03 am, beenthere said:

    A lot of contributors to this site appear to feel that just wait until 2010, then things will be put right. I truly have my doubts. Even if their are elections in 2010 (and 2012 which is my view is very iffy) Democrats are loyal to their Party and nothing else. Words to ponder from Mark Steyn:

    . . . who asks, “Can we officially retire the phrases ‘blue dog’ democrats and ‘pro life’ democrats? Because there is no such thing:”

    As I wrote back in the summer, “Put not your trust in Blue Dog Democrats.” It was folly to bet the Republic on the likes of Ben Nelson and Blanche Lincoln and other “moderates” who are, by definition, trimmers and accommodationists.

    By contrast, Barney Frank and the more ambitious Dems are thinking long-term. And, if it’s a choice between getting government health care or keeping Ben Nelson, it’s no contest. Not to keep quoting myself ad nauseam, but as I said to Hugh Hewitt a couple of months back:

    “I think the administration is willing to take the hit. In other words, to get health care, they would be willing to reduce their majority, and perhaps even lose their majority in the House and the Senate, because they know it’s a game changer. Now to sell that to individual Senators and Congressmen, you’ve got to have something up your sleeve for them… There are strange elements in play here. But they’ve factored into the whole business a potential, I think, a potential significant loss in the year 2010, in next year’s elections.”

    I’ve been saying for a year now, in NR and NRO, that the object for savvy Dems is to get this thing passed in whatever form because, once you do, there’s no going back. Kim Strassel in yesterday’s Journal gets it:

    “So why the stubborn insistence on passing health reform? Think big. The liberal wing of the party—the Barney Franks, the David Obeys—are focused beyond November 2010, to the long-term political prize. They want a health-care program that inevitably leads to a value-added tax and a permanent welfare state. Big government then becomes fact, and another Ronald Reagan becomes impossible. See Continental Europe.”

    Just so. And that’s worth whatever hit they have to take in 2010. Every time I make the point, someone says, oh, Jim Webb this or Byron Dorgan that, or have you see Harry Reid’s numbers in Nevada? Oh, please. We’ve just seen what happens when you make Ben Nelson your Maginot Line. The Dems are thinking strategically; the Republicans are all tactics.

80. #282
    On December 20th, 2009 at 3:09 am, Dan Lee said:

    I agree.. This bill needs to be attacked by lawsuit after lawsuit, because for one, if nobody read it, they essentially voted on nothing..

    The whole process has been unconstitutional & corrupt. The Government needs to be sued.

81. #283
    On December 20th, 2009 at 3:45 am, chilloutyo said:

    Just imagine a Conservative Congress sending Obama funding bills that are targeted specifically ONLY for government agencies supported by Conservatives (DoD, etc). No money at all for the EPA, Department of Education, Department of Labor, etc…just dreaming…

82. #285
    On December 20th, 2009 at 3:58 am, chilloutyo said:

    …weird segue to my #286 above…I remember living across the street from a small Fijian village as a child. I would occasionally hear an awful persistent squealing sound. I discovered the sound was caused by a pig after the villagers cut its throat. They did this in order to let the pig run around and bleed out prior to butchering it. Hated the sound, but loved the feast (lovo oven-roasted pig) that followed that night.

83. #286
    On December 20th, 2009 at 4:03 am, AmericaFirst said:

    Now that the Democrats are destroying the economy, every U.S. citizen will be classified as low income. Thus, every citizen will move to Nebraska to be eligible for Medicaid medical coverage. That’s right folks, 302 million people to flood Ben Nelson’s state.

84. #287
    On December 20th, 2009 at 6:21 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Sent: Sat 12/19/2009 11:10 PM

    …I am headed to Omaha, Nebraska to headline a rally later in the day demanding Senator Nelson switch his vote back to NO.

    The rally will be held at the Omaha Music Hall, 17th and Capitol. Doors open at 2 PM. Rally starts at 3 PM.

    Other participants will include Congressman Terry, Auditor Foley, Senators McCoy, Fulton, Krist, Price and Lautenbaugh.

    If you live nearby or have friends or family that do, please tell them about the rally.

    I am sending this email to my entire list and I know that most of you reading it do not live anywhere near Omaha but are fighting mad about this and want to do something.
    Here is an immediate way to help.

    Tomorrow (Sunday) when I attend the rally I want to be able to say to everyone there that overnight 25,000 Americans signed my petition to Senator Nelson asking him to JUST SAY NO and that they are standing together with everyone at the rally. My hope is that we will collect a total of 100,000 signatures before the final Senate vote.

    Will you sign this petition now? And then forward this email to your contacts list and ask them to do the same?

85. #288
    On December 20th, 2009 at 7:22 am, Trollman said:

    Thomas Jefferson said, “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

    The problem is this: the government no longer fears the people. Politicians simply do whatever they want because they have no fear.

    So there are some “Tea Party” protests. So some of them will get voted out. So what? They obviously aren’t afraid of that.

86. #289
    On December 20th, 2009 at 7:38 am, rplatt said:

    The leftist Democrats in congress and in the administration are born entrepreneurs. Just look at what they’re doing with healthcare. They’re making us pay for abortions and that alone will save billions of dollars from all the potential newborns that will no longer need medical care. And their reduced and rationed care for seniors is absolute genius. Just think of the revenue and jobs that will be generated by the construction and staffing of a few dozen “Soylent Green” factories . . . yes indeed, these leftist Democrats are incredible people. Thank you enlightened voters, you really stuck it to us this time.

87. #290
    On December 20th, 2009 at 8:00 am, bansharia said:

    A CALL TO SILENCE:
    In 2010 I call upon everyone who has participated in phoning,faxing,writing
    and protesting their fed reps and sens
    to go silent. We have made ourselves clear and there is no need to expend our time and money repeating ourselves further. Their bed is made and they have become a distraction, so be it.
    I call upon all to focus on thier state primaries at every level work hard use your time and money locally, if you are able send $ and help people in other states do so.
    let us make 2010 the year the feds phones DON’T ring, their mail bags empty
    etc. Our silence will speak for us while go about the task of firing them.
    God Bless,Merry Christmas and have an AMERICAN NEW YEAR,
    Barbara

88. #291
    On December 20th, 2009 at 9:59 am, rightisright said:

    On December 20th, 2009 at 8:00 am, bansharia said:

    What you said, it sure doesn’t matter or bother the elitist bastards we have in congress (representing us) with our calls, faxes and emails. They know their cooked, they do not care. They are actively operating a coup..total disregard for their constitutions and The Constitution of The United States. Traitors one and all.

    Read the bill, all of it…and fight like a demorat would. to the bitter end…use every trick possible to delay this POS. then let them sink in their stew(cleaned it up).

89. #292
    On December 20th, 2009 at 10:34 am, rplatt said:

    yea right . . . if the corrupt jackass was inclined to vote “no” he would have done it this time. I’m not sure what can be done about this immediately but the citizens of Nebraska should throw this crooked political whore out on his ear.