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1. #1
   On December 19th, 2009 at 1:30 am, Dan Lee said:

   I think we should all send Harry Reid an “invisible ink” pen, & one of there games:

   http://www.mistupid.com/games/shellgame.htm

2. #2
   On December 19th, 2009 at 1:30 am, Dan Lee said:

   oops! one of “these” games I meant..

3. #3
   On December 19th, 2009 at 1:35 am, tonynoboloney said:

   Its over Nelson folds in the morning. He was just waiting for the big bucks.

4. #4
   On December 19th, 2009 at 1:36 am, PKAmmoTroop said:

   I unfortunately live in Colorado, a state that seems to be eager to become the very next New York in its fiscal irresponsibility and kowtowing to a vocal minority. However I will be calling Michael Bennet’s office tomorrow to remind him that he is indeed out of a job come November.

   Quick hint that I heard on Glenn Beck today: The capitol hill phone numbers are handed out in blocks, so if your senator, like mine, is hiding in his office in fear and has ordered his staff to ignore the stinking masses just add 1 to the phone number. Michael Bennet’s DC number is (202) 224-5852, If that’s not answered, I’ll just call (202) 224-5853 or (202) 224-5854 until I get an answer.

5. #5
   On December 19th, 2009 at 2:10 am, vinny said:

   Re: Dan Lee and holiday gifts for Dingy Harry. Send him a pair of handcuffs and then ship him up to the big house. Maybe whip him in public, for horse thieving.

6. #6
   On December 19th, 2009 at 2:11 am, mattymatt10 said:

   Really? You don’t say? A Democrat is gonna vote with Democrats?

   Well, I’m just shocked. Shocked, I tell you!

7. #7
   On December 19th, 2009 at 4:31 am, chilloutyo said:

   OK. Be realistic, regardless of what happens in the 2010 and even the 2012 elections, what is it going to take to completely undo this monstrosity of a health bill???? The only thing I can think of is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence with regard to a potential citizen response to a tyrannous government. Any other ways??? Anything???

8. #8
   On December 19th, 2009 at 5:44 am, PJ said:

   Anyplace else and these ‘negotiations’ would have our “betters” in prison for bribery.

9. #9
   On December 19th, 2009 at 5:45 am, AlohaGuy said:

   We all knew this was coming.

10. #10
    On December 19th, 2009 at 6:07 am, jamesgreenidge said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:31 am, chilloutyo said:

    OK. Be realistic, regardless of what happens in the 2010 and even the 2012 elections, what is it going to take to completely undo this monstrosity of a health bill???? The only thing I can think of is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence with regard to a potential citizen response to a tyrannous government. Any other ways??? Anything???

    Not enough attention is being paid on this, odf testing the constituenality, of legal challenges, of the gov’t forcing you to pat

11. #11
    On December 19th, 2009 at 6:10 am, jamesgreenidge said:

    (Corrected version from accidental submission)

    On December 19th, 2009 at 4:31 am, chilloutyo said:

    OK. Be realistic, regardless of what happens in the 2010 and even the 2012 elections, what is it going to take to completely undo this monstrosity of a health bill???? The only thing I can think of is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence with regard to a potential citizen response to a tyrannous government. Any other ways??? Anything???

    Not enough attention is being paid on this, of testing the constitutionality, of legal challenges, of the gov’t forcing you to purchase a service outside taxation. Alcohol was repealed. Maybe some similar tactic can work here — or saddle us forever with a never ending ever growing entitlement.

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

12. #12
    On December 19th, 2009 at 6:48 am, Sea_Dog said:

    Reid and Company are like cockroaches, scurrying around in the dark of the night, doing their dirty deeds, and leaving us with the mess to clean up.

13. #13
    On December 19th, 2009 at 7:08 am, BOB said:

    I made calls and sent e-mails again yesterday to my Senators, Pryor and Lincoln’s offices. I am tired and hate to say it, but about ready to give up. Their absolute refusal to listen to their constituents, and the slavery to the far-left leadership of the Dummycrats by my “blue dog” Democrat Senators in incredible. They have absolutely no credibility. Lincoln might lose in 2010, but Pryor isn’t up for 5 more years. He will be re-elected.

14. #14
    On December 19th, 2009 at 7:45 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Con$idering that my lone $enator is one John F’n Kerry, wouldn’t it make more $ense for me to ask him to $ubmit a $pecial amendment to ‘help out’ northea$tern coa$tal $tate$ with more than 150 mile$ of coa$tline with population$ exceeding $ix million citizen$ $uch a$ Ma$$achu$ett$ ?

15. #15
    On December 19th, 2009 at 7:49 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    lone elected senator that is…

16. #16
    On December 19th, 2009 at 7:50 am, bansharia said:

    Dear senaturds,
    Anything you pass will not stand
    as YOU lost souls cannot ruin this LAND.
    America is too great a cause and Country.
    I do not pity/hate/Pray for you,
    while you may desire to squander the freewill God in His grace provided us all, know LOUD and CLEAR you cannot take that freewill from any of us.

    live feed for anyone so interested
    http://c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx

17. #17
    On December 19th, 2009 at 7:55 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    I am apoplectic to read in an AP story a bit more detail regarding the “help” that Nelson is alleged to be seeking for Nebraska.

    AP: Several officials said Nelson was seeking to…win more federal funds to cover Nebraska’s cost of treating patients in Medicaid.

    The unfunded mandate to states to expand Medicaid should be the sleeping giant that awakes to kill this beast. Among the most dishonest bits of trickery in the bill is the claim that it is revenue neutral while shifting a huge additional burden onto the states. The states will have to raise taxes to meet this burden…raise them by a lot.

    Paul Mirengoff has a very powerful post over at PowerlineBlog.com entitled The mother of all unfunded mandates.

    Now, on top of all the other corruption and deceit, if Nebraska (or any other state) wins special help to cover its Medicaid costs while most states are put into a severe financial bind by this legislation…that will just be almost more of a strain than armed citizens can abide.

18. #18
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:00 am, coffee said:

    Doing business this way is at best dishonorable even if they believe their cause is right.

19. #19
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:01 am, zorro said:

    I just tried calling both Specter and Casey’s offices in DC. Both voice mailboxes are full!

    This Congress is “hell bent” on giving We the People a stocking full of coal for Christmas. And it is a sin that this awful “gift” is focused on the culture of death Democrats’ favorite idol, abortion. May God forgive them.

20. #20
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:05 am, bansharia said:

    Ig,
    don’t get distracted and look past the pork and unfunded mandates in the defense bill they are voting on now.
    as far as your last observation I don’t know anyone who loves America and those who have gone b4 us that does not exercise every constitutional right they have provided for us.
    only 1/3 of those in the land put their life and wealth on the line and created this Blessed Country

21. #21
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:11 am, Painkiller said:

    That’s the only One who will forgive them. I will definitely not.

    There’s only one way to fix this, folks. And that is to replace them all.

    http://danielmcandrew.com

22. #22
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:11 am, bansharia said:

    Zorro,
    I protested at junior’s office last week in Harrisburg. his hack aide started off conver with a bald faced lie and ended with her trying to accuse us of threatening his life…YAWN….
    it has since occurred to me the phones were not ringing not once while we were in his office vs out on street.
    They are shut-off, let them play games
    let them expose their arrogance and disdain. They shall be FIRED

    I sure hope you will enjoy this beautiful snow today, stay warm and God Bless,,B

23. #23
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:12 am, vinny said:

    I wonder if states can specify what sort of Medicaid applicant they recognize and refuse to support those applicants that they don’t recognize. I mean if Medicaid can once again be limited to single mothers who live below poverty line? Then the states could rid themselves of many deadbeats- let them all move to DC.

24. #24
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:14 am, bansharia said:

    God will not forgive them. The Bible is very clear on judgement day, Jesus will say BEGONE I never knew you.
    In otherwords they will spend eternity with the swimmer teddy k.

25. #25
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:16 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 7:49 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    lone elected senator that is…

    I imagine that lonely elected $enator is $caming for all he can get for himself. I am $urprised he didn’t get the Governor of Ma$$achu$ett$ to appoint him to the open $eat too $o he could be Double $enator John F’n Kerry. I have hated-HATED-that man $ince the Halfbrite Hearing$ in 1971.

    Sad, Massachusetts is where we first said NO to gun grabbers and held the first Tea Party. But then my Arizona did dump McCain on the country

26. #26
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:19 am, bansharia said:

    Vin,
    the answer is yes they can, will they? and will any state supreme court allow it to be done?
    The reality is that we are long past any expectation that any of the three branches will do what they are GIVEN the proxy by the PEOPLE to do.
    Where that leaves us, well time has a way of sorting that all out doesn’t it.

27. #27
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:19 am, tiredofit08 said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 2:10 am, vinny said:

    Re: Dan Lee and holiday gifts for Dingy Harry. Send him a pair of handcuffs and then ship him up to the big house. Maybe whip him in public, for horse thieving.

    How about public stocks and then let the public come by and pelt him with pebbles during the day and then at night give him a 4×6 cell in solitary…since he likes being behind closed doors so much…

28. #28
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:20 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    You’d think that the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment and other language in the constitution would prohibit the politically motivated and blatantly inequitable treatment of one group of citizens as against another (as in the disparate treatment of Louisiana citizens and Nebraska citizens who are to receive special “help”).

    * The 14 Amendment was written as a constraint on the states rather than on the federal government. But hasn’t it been held at some point to apply also to the feds? But, of course, these things tend to mean — at the end of the day — only what the libs want them to mean. “Living constitution” and all that rot.

29. #29
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:28 am, zorro said:

    Thanks bansharia, we have about three or 4 inches of global warming flakes down so far here in Lawrence County, it is beautiful.

    I hope our good for nothing senators are enjoy their moment in spotlight because I intend to use some of my vacation later this year to unseat Specter. And when the time comes, God willing, I will do the same to unseat that lazy, phony, Casey.

30. #30
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:28 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:05 am, bansharia said:

    Ig,
    don’t get distracted and look past the pork and unfunded mandates in the defense bill they are voting on now.

    Tell it, bansharia!

    I could hardly stand writing what I did, because, even to me, it seemed absurd to pick out one piece of the corruption and deceit here while seeming to ignore so much else.

    But we don’t want to be like lions who sometimes fail in the hunt because there are so many targets. So, right now, I am all over unfunded Medicaid mandates, because I think that that particular piece of it causes governors to go nuts…even Democrat governors, in some cases. They are required to balance their budgets and are all feeling a huge strain right now. They should be screaming at their senators, as some have been. I think this is part of what happened with Nelson.

31. #31
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:35 am, bansharia said:

    Ig,
    we are at war from within I am glad to see you understand that as millions of Americans do.
    one third is my mantra and that will be a mandate like no other.
    hold your position, if you are not Blessed with the snow today I shall make an angel on your B 1/2

32. #32
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:37 am, bansharia said:

    PS Ig,
    men are more linear than women it is why we love you, stay focused on your prey

33. #33
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:40 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:12 am, vinny said:

    I wonder if states can specify what sort of Medicaid applicant they recognize and refuse to support those applicants that they don’t recognize. I mean if Medicaid can once again be limited to single mothers who live below poverty line? Then the states could rid themselves of many deadbeats- let them all move to DC.

    Vinny, I don’t know the details of who is covered by Medicaid but the HC bill requires that the basic eligibility criteria be rasied to 133% of the federal policy level. From the PowerLine article: According to Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, this would add roughly 15 million people to the program. In his state, the increase could be as high as 50 percent.

    This is huge. Medicaid is right at the top of state government expenditures. Now states are going to be required to increase the size of the program by up to 50 percent!?!?

34. #34
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:41 am, bansharia said:

    OH BOY are you listening to this amendmant?? gun stuff
    grrr hiss hiss pawSWIPE

35. #35
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:44 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Thanks for your kind words, bansharia. We’re all standing strong together.

36. #36
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:47 am, zorro said:

    Hot off the Twitter line:

    RT @JimDeMint: Republicans are forcing the Senate to read aloud Reid’s new health bill that no one has seen before today. #tcot #tlot

37. #37
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:52 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    ~Correction~

    My post above on change to Medicaid should read eligibility criteria be rasied to 133% of the federal poverty level.

38. #38
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:55 am, bansharia said:

    Z,
    are you a refuse to pay for cablecrapTV person too?
    here is live feed for you unless you prefer to twitter ( me I find no use for it ):
    http://c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx

39. #39
    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:59 am, bansharia said:

    Is it my imagination or are the flakes getting larger as the bill is being read?

40. #40
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:01 am, bansharia said:

    wow this lady must be caffinated she is a speed reader!! how funny

41. #41
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:08 am, zorro said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 8:55 am, bansharia said:
    Z,
    are you a refuse to pay for cablecrapTV person too?

    I have some channels, FNC is the one on most of the time! Just not watching TV. Still trying to get a message to Casey’s office. I was able to leave a message at Specter’s office (marked it urgent too).

    I was planning to drive down to Orlando today but the heavy snow along my route has delayed my departure. Now planning on leaving Monday. That should give Virginia time to clear the roads.

42. #42
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:13 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Before the reading of the bill began, Reid was asking that Nelson be allowed to speak for 9 minutes. McConnell objected (for some good reason, I am sure), and it didn’t happen.

    I wonder what Nelson was going to say. I kinda wanted to hear him and get a direct sense of where he is at. (Still holding out hope that his vote is not simply up for sale as with Landrieu.)

43. #43
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:13 am, happyscrapper said:

    The fate of our Republic rests in the hands of corrupt, evil people. God help us.

44. #44
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:17 am, zorro said:

    From Hot Air:

    OT Breaking:

    Ben Nelson will vote for cloture on health care bill.

    That’s all folks.

    Enoxo on December 19, 2009 at 9:10 AM

    I just heard the report on KETV Newswatch7. I will start doing everything I can to see he is defeated in 2012.

    OmahaConservative on December 19, 2009 at 9:14 AM

45. #45
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:19 am, PJ said:

    Newsflash: Ben Nelson just announced that he is ‘on board’ with Reid’s lackahealthcare bill. Told you this Dummycr*p would cave. That’s one thing you can always count on: Dummycr*ps are Dummycr*ps first, last and always – - as far as being Americans, well, that doesn’t make their powerhungry list at all.

46. #46
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:25 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Re: Cable TV

    I am a semi-resister to cable TV. I pay about $12 month for local channels (in Hi-Def) plus C-Span 1 & 2 and a few other things.

    I am sorry to say that FoxNews is just no longer substantial enough, IMO, to justify subsidizing the whole cable zoo. Of course, I can watch Fox News Sunday on my local Fox channel. And I often cherry pick Fox News videos and watch them over the internet. If you have a good, HS connection, this works very well. (Unfortunately, DSL Lite did not really get it done for me. I had to spring for full broadband (1.5 Mbs) and, since it was much more expensive, bumped it up to 3 Mbs. (I watch some sports and get about 75% of what I want to see, my local NFL team, the college basketball games that most interest me, golf, tennis, and most really big events. Don’t get Monday/Sunday Night Football and a few other things.)

47. #47
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:27 am, happyscrapper said:

    Isn’t this just another “version” of the bill? Isn’t this going to change again before finally getting to Odumbo’s desk? Who is to say what will be in the final version? I suspect they will find some way to sneak government-run, abortion funding, and Medicare cuts back in. This is nothing but treason. The American people need to rise up in unison against this tyranny. We are being destroyed by marxists and communists disguised as “patriotic Americans”.

    I also am wondering about talk in some of the states about seceding from the union. Could it come to that??

48. #48
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:29 am, conservativesRus said:

    Several times God said that he raised up evil kings for the purpose of “inflicting” judgment upon those who had been given His way but chose not to follow it. I fear USA is now in the situation of having evil men (and women) raised up for the purpose of inflicting judgment upon it. We can pray that the judgment is not so sever or we can pray that the nation returns to it’s founding basis.
    Among others, acknowledging our creator and recognizing that all rights emanate from Him.

49. #49
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:31 am, happyscrapper said:

    Blizzard warning for DC. I think God will need to do something more drastic than a blizzard to stop this tyranny. He needs to turn the snow to blood.

50. #50
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:32 am, Boomer said:

    This will be the worst Christmas present I have every had shoved up my ass. So much for the Republic Mr. Franklin and associates provided us. It appears we have failed in keeping it. Damn them all to HELL!

    Cry Havoc! And let slip the dogs of WAR!

51. #51
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:35 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Very depressing news on Nelson, although not unexpected.

    K-Lo over at NRO Corner is holding out hope that Jim Webb might go rogue on the Dems. However much Webb may have disappointed us by turning out to be a Dem, it is undeniable that he is a pugnacious, independent-minded fellow. He is the type who could have the cojones and integrity to stand against his caucus.

    It seems to me like some Dem ought to buy into the line that HCR might be good but it is just too important to be concocted in secret with corrupt deals and passed without a decent debate so it should be carried over to January.

52. #52
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:37 am, Ron said:

    FNC says Reid is addressing his communist base by “capping profits” of private health insurers. He plans to limit how they must spend premiums! By law, they will have to spend 80 to 85 percent of their revenues on medical care, leaving 15 to 20 percent for all overhead and profit. Of course, that’s just Harry’s word, since no one has seen the bill yet — maybe later this morning? So the federal government, having taken over the private insurance industry through regulation, will dictate exactly how each company is to be run. ANYBODY SEE ANY PROBLEMS HERE? Next is a cost control scheme for hospitals and doctors. And those 80/85 percent numbers can of course be “adjusted” — until the patient is dead. Then, when companies start to go under, it will create a “crisis” that will “force” the feds to openly socialize the whole industry and create a single-payer system. I don’t see anybody getting in the way to stop this legislation, which has got to be the worst in history. Better start cranking up a means to (a) challenge it in court and (b) repeal it by taking back the Congress and the presidency, assuming we can all live long enough without a general insurrection to see a peaceful means of accomplishing this.

53. #53
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:37 am, NC BLUE said:

    May these people burn in hell. That said, I wish everyone here a Merry Christmas and I hope you count your blessings at this time of year. We live to fight in 2010.

54. #54
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:39 am, CISBlues said:

    As a Nebraskan, I want everyone out there to know that the vast majority of us in this state DO NOT WANT THIS BILL. Two-face Nelson is doing what he does best: campaigns as a conservative, votes as a liberal. Many of us will fight tirelessly to ensure he is defeated next time around. We are sorry, America…

55. #55
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:47 am, WaterBoyz said:

    Put a fork in it.
    It is done.
    It will pass.
    Chicago brass knuckles rules the day.
    Vote buying to the ‘nth-degree.
    We are screwed.
    The Dummycraps and the rinos don’t give a gnat’s @ss about their constituents.

    Why are we in this predicament?

56. #56
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:49 am, LOBOMAN said:

    I wish I owned the K-Y Jelly franchise!
    

57. #57
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:51 am, Lindsay said:

    I hope every wimpy politician who votes for this will be voted out of office.

    Ben Nelson, you are done.

58. #58
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:53 am, BOB said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:39 am, CISBlues said:
    As a Nebraskan, I want everyone out there to know that the vast majority of us in this state DO NOT WANT THIS BILL. Two-face Nelson is doing what he does best: campaigns as a conservative, votes as a liberal. Many of us will fight tirelessly to ensure he is defeated next time around. We are sorry, America…

    I understand, Lincoln and Pryor from Arkansas always do the same thing…..and it always works. They are going to go along with the party line, I just wish the “party line” wasn’t the communist party.

59. #59
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:53 am, happyscrapper said:

    We will now find out what price Ben Nelson has put on selling out his Country and his God.

60. #60
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:58 am, d1carter said:

    Make them read the entire bill on the Senate floor!

61. #61
    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:58 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:49 am, LOBOMAN said:

    I wish I owned the K-Y Jelly franchise!

    I am urging all conservatives who have a good suppy of K-Y on hand not to apply it to themselves but to try to force it into the windpipes of the traitors to our Republic.

62. #62
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:04 am, rambler said:

    It is clear that our government has turned into a dictatorship. They will pick out pockets clean to fund continuous entitlements.

63. #63
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:06 am, Dandapani said:

    My guess is that Nelson got some form of abortion restrictions and ONE HALF BILLION DOLLARS of state Medicaid relief for Nebraska. Let me know what I won with this guess!

64. #64
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:06 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    More K-Y fantasies…Yea, I’d like to intubate some of these libs with a grease gun and force about 500cc of it into their lungs. Better still, forget the gentleness of K-Y and use axle grease. (Put some hot chilies in it, too.)

65. #65
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:07 am, Flyoverman said:

    Fall back to the next line of defense and keep fighting. Make them read every word of the bill. The walk out enmass. Let them vote for it 60-0 with no Republicans even dignifying this with a vote.

    Then turn the conference committe process into pure hell for them.

66. #66
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:09 am, Flyoverman said:

    If Nelson thinks he has proitected the unborn, he is a fool.

67. #67
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:13 am, conservativesRus said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 9:37 am, Ron said:
    I don’t see anybody getting in the way to stop this legislation, which has got to be the worst in history

    Since the whole thing is unconstitutional, I suspect that some states could sue from the unfunded mandate. I’m guessing there could be other basis on which the states could sue. Individuals could also sue: Since when does the government have the right to tell an individual what they must purchase simply to exist?

68. #68
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:13 am, happyscrapper said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:09 am, Flyoverman said:
    If Nelson thinks he has proitected the unborn, he is a fool.

    That’s just it!! Reid will find a way to sneak it back in. We all know that. But Ben Nelson has been suckered. And by the way, I see a HUGE tax revolt coming in 2010. Every single pro-lifer should stop paying taxes if there is any loophole whatsoever that might pay for abortions.

69. #69
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:16 am, sbw999 said:

    Hi ho! Hi ho! It’s off to bankruptcy we all go…..

    Jihadists and the dem party…both are willing to kill themselves for no purpose whatsoever, and take as many of us with them as they can. Liberalism has now been given about 11 months to live.

    Mine…the worst generation.

70. #70
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:19 am, Flyoverman said:

    What you will see about 7-8 Demcrat Senators vote against the final bill, which allows the bill to pass and gives them “cover” that they voted against it.

    Nelson knows that “changing his mind,” even if he does it, will not prevent passage of the bill. This is an act of unprincipled cowardice.

    The number one item in the Republican campaign had best be a pledge to roll back the healthcare legislation. If Obama refuses to veto it, cut off all funding for it once we get a majority.

    As I wrote yesterday, we have to develop a “bayonets and entrenching tools” mentality when confronting the Left. Expect no quarter and give none.

71. #71
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:20 am, Jet Jaguar said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 6:48 am, Sea_Dog said:

    Reid and Company are like cockroaches, scurrying around in the dark of the night, doing their dirty deeds, and leaving us with the mess to clean up.

    Sea_Dog, that’s backwards: cockroaches behave like Reid and his ilk.

72. #72
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:21 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    Okay. No surprises here. So what are those Republicans doing about it? Nothing that will upset McCain’s much prized “comity” of the Senate that’s for sure. Make a stink already! Sheesh!

    That’s why the GOP is now the 3rd party.

73. #73
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:22 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:19 am, Flyoverman said:

    What you will see about 7-8 Demcrat Senators vote against the final bill, which allows the bill to pass and gives them “cover” that they voted against it.

    If things ever go to total bedlam, those 7-8 deceitful cockroaches better be watching out for me. I could have more satisfaction with them than from getting some of the most fervent — but honest — libs.

74. #74
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:23 am, pueblo1032 said:

    For all of you who put your faith in guys like LIEBERMANN and NELSON, welcome to reality… This game is played by these two LIBS on almost every vote… They do not go against the grain, as you anticipate, but stick to the STATUS QUO… So in closing, get out the LUBE, bend over, grab your ankles, spread your cheeks, and by all means, SMILE!!!

75. #75
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:24 am, happyscrapper said:

    If Obama refuses to veto it, cut off all funding for it once we get a majority.

    My chuckle of the day so far. If Obama refuses to veto it?? Flyover, you are too funny. Obama would have probably sent his goons to “work over” Ben Nelson if he hadn’t caved. Obama is desperate for this bill. It will be signed.

    Now, defunding it could be an option. Or filing some kind of a suit because of unconstitutionality. There HAS to be something we can do to stop this train wreck.

76. #76
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:26 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Dear God –if there is a god — I know that you have been planning on calling Bobby Byrd home. Now would be a good time.

77. #77
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:27 am, happyscrapper said:

    2010 is going to be very interesting. The Tea Party movement just got a huge shot of adrenalin. And our numbers just grew by hundreds of thousands. Pretty soon, even the MSM won’t be able to cover up our existence! And, Pasadena, I don’t mean a POLITICAL party, I mean a movement.

78. #78
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:29 am, happyscrapper said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:26 am, Ignatius Reilly said:
    Dear God –if there is a god — I know that you have been planning on calling Bobby Byrd home. Now would be a good time.

    Good post! And God would be doing Byrd a favor.

79. #79
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:34 am, WaterBoyz said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:26 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Dear God –if there is a god — I know that you have been planning on calling Bobby Byrd home. Now would be a good time.

    Yea, but a special person will be appointed to fill his voting spot by the governor.

80. #80
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:35 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    Today, China declares that dollar will continue to sink so long as the US continues with profligate deficit spending. Coincidence? This doesn’t bode well for anyone, China included. Their swagger will be very short-lived come “the big meltdown”.

    It’s not like our corruptocrats will later be able to claim that there weren’t any signs that a depression was imminent. By this time next year, we may all be wondering what was so great about The Great Depression.

    The Treasury Bond market bubble, the Chinese real estate market bubble, the upcoming US commercial property debt meltdown, the re-inflated US stock market bubble (few investors, mostly TARP day traders), and the biggest bubble of all, emerging market debt inflated via the dollar carry trade.

    A world borrowing its way out of debt and spending its way out of a spending problem. “Animal spirits” insanity. I just can’t see any good coming out of this. That’s why people are stuffing their mattresses again instead of putting their money in the bank. You don’t have to be a Nobel Prize-winning economist to “see the elephant”.

81. #81
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:36 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    WaterBoyz…true, but we are at a place where a delay of even one day could turn this thing around.

    If the Senate goes home and faces the rage int he states, I don’t think that they’d have the cojones to come back in January and do this thing.

82. #82
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:40 am, jangar said:

    It’s official…our government has gone off the deep end. Too many years worth of too many ignorant voters has brought us to the point of possible no return.

    Freedom is such an important right, granted by God, but comes with great responsibility, and great personal sacrifice and cost to protect it.

    Welcome to America the Lazy, the Selfish, the Child.

    Can we get her back? It’s up to each and everyone who wants freedom and prosperity.

83. #83
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:42 am, happyscrapper said:

    If the Senate goes home and faces the rage int he states, I don’t think that they’d have the cojones to come back in January and do this thing.

    That’s where I think you are wrong, Ignatius. They went home in August to our wrath, and promptly ignored us as soon as they returned to their “bubble” in DC. They.don’t.care. It doesn’t matter how angry we get. They will endure the anger, then go back and put this bill through. THEY.DON’T CARE. And they have already trashed the Constitution, so don’t bother quoting from it. THEY.DON’T CARE. It is all about power and they are making the big grab. This is not going to end well for this Country. We either give in to this coup, or we have civil war. I don’t see any other options. The elections in 2010 will not make that big a difference, and many will be “fixed” anyway. Sorry, I am feeling pretty defeated this morning.

84. #84
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:46 am, happyscrapper said:

    You have seen how the wacko libs fight…in the streets, with violence. We had better be prepared for that and train ourselves to fight back. We no longer have the luxury of just standing around with signs and hope that will work. It hasn’t so far, has it? I’m not advocating violence…at this point. But we need to realize something. The libs are dangerous, angry, and violent. None of their demonstrations are peaceful. They riot, burn cars, knock people to the ground, and worse. This is the type of people we are dealing with, God help us.

85. #85
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:48 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:27 am, happyscrapper said:

    And, Pasadena, I don’t mean a POLITICAL party, I mean a movement.

    In the end, you are going to vote for the Republican. Everything that happens or is said between now and the election is just filler. Your vote is automatic. How will you reconcile your faux conservative ideals when the Tea Party candidate wins? You insisted on voting 3rd party! Isn’t it ironic? There is still time to grow and expand your thinking. America’s future doesn’t need either of these two corrupt parties. But you continue to insist that the GOP is indispensable. It’s your security blanket. Let it go. The fog will clear and you’ll feel better. .

86. #86
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:52 am, happyscrapper said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:48 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    Phil, I’m not sure that there will even be a “Tea Party” as a third party, are you? If there is, and a great candidate runs, and the republican is a RINO, then, yes, I would vote third party over a RINO. But my point is that I don’t think now is the time to form a third party. It needs massive funding, a structure, etc. All the things the GOP already has. If we can reform the GOP, we should try to do that. Again, we have to be very careful, because our votes would be split between Tea Party and GOP. That would ensure a liberal win that would put the final nail in the coffin of our republic.

87. #87
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:53 am, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    It is really difficult to kill socialism. Regardless of its many failures and the destruction brought to mankind by its implementation in various forms, socialism has always brought with it the siren song of a better life for all. The founders of this country knew that socialism, or in their era monarchy, destroyed people and led to violent revolution – and a cycle of unstable governments. Unless the Tea Party movement and a properly chastised Republican Party act together in 2010 and 2012, our great American experiment will be at an end.

88. #88
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:54 am, MichaelO said:

    The big question is what fat Administration job was Nelson offered for after the Nebraska voters crush him at the polls.

89. #89
    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:58 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    I feel your despair, not-so-happyscrapper. But August was a great victory for us, just not an entirely decisive one. We’ve been climbing a very steep hill and steadily making progress. The Dems may not care about us tea party types, but they sure care about those independents who polls are showing have turned overwhelmingly against the HCR.

    That change in public opinion is a direct result of all of our efforts in opposition to this thing. The fact that we are three points behind nearing the close of overtime does not indicate that our great game was in vain. We have very nearly accomplished the impossible, given the way the congress and WH is stacked against us.

    If the critters go home without sealing the deal, they will darn sure listen to the polls and, especially, to their governors and state legislators who will face these unfunded mandates. Those people are likely to lose their jobs, because they are the ones who will be most directly accountable to the enraged citizens for the tax hikes and budget cuts that they will have to make at the state level. All state politicians, regardless of party, will be angry about this. This is real, serious pressure that senators can not easily ignore. Without all our valiant efforts, we’d never have gotten close…this thing would have been whisked thru before the August recess.

    We don’t have much of a chance but we still have a little. Too early to give up. And, most of all, we owe ourselves at least the satisfaction that we have done all we could do, and it was not in vain. What we have been doing since August is like “preparing” the battlefield with artillery; it has not been wasted effort. And that battlefield, even at this dark hour, is a lot more favorable to us than it was in August.

90. #90
    On December 19th, 2009 at 11:01 am, happyscrapper said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:53 am, publiuswarmac9999 said: It is really difficult to kill socialism. Regardless of its many failures and the destruction brought to mankind by its implementation in various forms, socialism has always brought with it the siren song of a better life for all.

    We can pretty much blame our education system for this mess. Our kids have been brainwashed for a couple generations now…the history of our country has been changed to make us look bad. The greatness of our republic has been downplayed, even ignored. And our kids have been taught that mediocrity is great. No one excels, no one fails. Everyone is just fine. No trophies for winning. That would make the “losers” feel bad. So our kids don’t believe in “fighting” for anything. Apathy has set in. And now the government says it will take care of all these poor people who have no idea how to take care of themselves!!! How could we have been so blind??? I believe my generation (upper baby boomer) is the last one to even know the true greatness and true history of this country. I will do everything I can, to my dying breath, to teach my grandkids the TRUTH.

91. #91
    On December 19th, 2009 at 11:02 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    happyscrapper, regarding 3rd party…What you said!

    We all feel the frustration that makes us want to abandon the GOP at times. But your analysis is level-headed, spot-on. However emotionally satisfying 3rd parties might be, they do not win. They assure your opponents of victory.

92. #92
    On December 19th, 2009 at 11:03 am, happyscrapper said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:58 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Thanks…I needed that!

93. #93
    On December 19th, 2009 at 11:09 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    On December 19th, 2009 at 10:52 am, happyscrapper said:

    But my point is that I don’t think now is the time to form a third party….. Again, we have to be very careful, because our votes would be split between Tea Party and GOP. That would ensure a liberal win that would put the final nail in the coffin of our republic.

    When is the right time? There is no Republican Party. You are ensuring that a liberal will win by continuing to defend the GOP. We were fighting the same battle against the same people when Bush/McCain and the GOP controlled everything. And they were calling us the same names as the Obama crowd is calling us now (we were hate-filled bigots then too). We have no choice but to fight the hopelessly corrupted one-party system and now, thanks to the Tea Party movement, we are the majority coalition. So long as the GOP leadership doesn’t change, I don’t care if they adopt a conservative platform. They won’t deliver. The RNC is determined to nominate the lamer than lamer candidate from central casting Tim Pawlenty or Al Gore’s 1988 Texas campaign manager Rick Perry as the GOP candidate (follow the money).

    I don’t care about political parties. I care about outcome. Right now, we knee-capped the GOP for the same reasons we are knee-capping the Democrats and over the same bills and fighting the same cram-down tactics. That doesn’t leave much room for you to get a toe-hold for hanging on to your hopes.

    The rest of the us Americans are getting it why can’t you? The registrations of BOTH parties are in freefall. Are you going to be the Harry Truman (the one who died in the Mount St. Helens eruption because he wouldn’t leave) on the GOP Titanic?

    You are wasting your time with the Tea Party if you are just working to steer us into the lap of the GOP. Most of us will scatter if that happens and you will be friendless again. It’s a pathological disorder.

94. #94
    On December 19th, 2009 at 11:10 am, Speakup said:

    Louder

95. #95
    On December 19th, 2009 at 11:12 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    Ignatius and Happy hugging each other as the Titanic sinks beneath the waves. “I need you to swim Happy!”

96. #96
    On December 19th, 2009 at 11:13 am, Flyoverman said:

    Happy,

    When I mentioned an Obama veto I was referring to a post 2010 Congress overturning this healthcare monstrosity that will now pass and become law.

    If that were to happen, President Obama would surely veto it. So if we cannot override his veto, we can gut the funding from it. Gotta love separation of powers.

    Remember funding kicks in immediately, but no changes to coverage occur until 2014. Between 2010 and 2014 all of th controls get put into place. THAT is what we destroy. No infrastructure, no healthcare.

    This fight is not over.

97. #97
    On December 19th, 2009 at 11:17 am, BOB said:

    The socialist/marxist were never able to win much with a third party, but when they took over the Democrat party they won everything. We need to do the same thing with the GOP…and I believe it’s not only possible, but much more likely to result in a conservative victory than any third-party.

98. #98
    On December 19th, 2009 at 11:23 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Posted a few minutes ago at NRO Corner…

    Nelson’s Deal [Jonah Goldberg]

    Here’s what I’m hearing. The deal for Ben Nelson includes additional Medicaid funding for Nebraska and carve outs for physician owned hospitals in Nebraska — and Nebraska only. Uncle Sam will take the hit for 100% of the Medicaid expansion for Nebraska, forever. Nebraska is the only state to get this deal.

    It profits a man nothing give his soul for the whole world, but for Medicaid funding carve outs….

99. #99
    On December 19th, 2009 at 11:24 am, stillontheroad said:

    I have lived to see the day where the Constitution of the United States has been completely abrogated and now we are ruled by people not our laws, I have lived to see the day where a coup has and is taking place before my eyes and I am so angry I cannot express my rage.

100. #100
     On December 19th, 2009 at 11:25 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

     Third-party is the emotionally satisfying route to the political wilderness.