Sunday showdown: The Senate’s Demcare treachery
Sellout Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) got his Cash-for-Cloture Christmas present early: Special Medicaid expansion subsidies for his state ($45 million for starters over the next decade). The budget-strapped governors of every other state in the union ought to be crying foul.
*Update: CBO now says Nelson’s Cornhusker Kickback will cost $100 million for Nebraska. Vermont and Massachusetts will also benefit from similar deals. Combined, the three-state kickback will cost taxpayers $1.2 billion over 10 years.*
Despite his protestations and rationalizations, government abortion funding remains in the bill.
As the Small Business Against Big Government blog quipped: The secret to the Art of the Sellout is to pretend you tried.
FYI: The Senate plan also still allows for government coverage of illegal aliens.
We are all Joe Wilsons now.
President Obama, September 9, 2009:
There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false – the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally. And one more misunderstanding I want to clear up – under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions…
THEY LIE.
Time is of the essence. Here’s the rundown of the next 24 hours:
“Following the remarks of Senator Coburn, the Senate will adjourn until 1:00pm Sunday, December 20. Following the prayer and pledge, the time until 1:30pm will be equally divided and controlled between the two Leaders or their designees. Beginning at 1:30pm and until 11:30pm, there will be alternating blocks of time, with the Republicans controlling the first hour and the Majority controlling the next hour.
At 11:30pm (Sunday), the Senate will recess until 12:01am Monday, December 21. Following the prayer and pledge, the time until 1:00am will be equally divided and controlled between the two leaders or their designees, with the Majority Leader controlling the final 10 minutes and the Republican Leader controlling the 10 minutes immediately prior.
At 1:00AM Monday, December 21, the Senate will proceed to a cloture vote on the Reid-Baucus-Dodd-Harkin amendment #2376.”
Did Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell’s strategy (or lack thereof) fail? RedState thinks so.
But it ain’t over ’til it’s over.
Nebraskans are rebelling.
The rest of us must continue to raise our voices, too, and fight to the end.
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The corruption of the deliberative process over Demcare gives complete lie to the pretense that government can run health care in a non-corruptible way. Must-read big picture essay from Doctor Zero: “The illusion of design.” An excerpt:
Liberals insist it is simply unthinkable to allow financial considerations to impact the distribution of this essential human right. As Kirsten Powers put it recently, “Americans will die if we don’t provide universal health insurance.” Because money is the instrument through which free people express their will and make choices, the argument for socialized medicine boils down to the superiority of design and control over competition and choice.
So, in summary, the case for nationalizing health insurance is that health care cannot be entrusted to the unpredictability and greed of the free market. The individual purchasing decisions of free men and women are too chaotic. The only way to ensure access to health care for everyone is for the State to install a massive, strictly enforced system, complete with huge fines and jail time for those who fail to comply. This system would be superior to the free market, because it would be carefully designed by brilliant minds… engineered to deliver an incredibly complex, ever-changing service to hundreds of millions of Americans.
Is anyone stupid enough to think a “carefully designed system” is what the Democrats are about to drop on us?
Senator Ben Nelson (D-Nebraska) held up the Senate reform bill over his heartfelt concerns over abortion funding… until he was bought off with hundreds of millions of dollars in enhanced funding for Medicaid in his state. In a similar vein, language worth over $100 million was added to the bill, targeting the state of Louisiana, to purchase the vote of “moderate” Democrat Mary Landrieu. In other words, this “carefully designed” health care bill has different rules for people who happen to live in Nebraska or Louisiana, because this was necessary to buy the votes of their senators.
The Congressional Budget Office scoring for the health care reform bill is based on tricks and gimmicks, including Medicare reductions and cuts of over 20% in physician payments, that no one seriously believes will actually happen. A great deal of this health care reform package is a delusional fantasy, if not an outright fraud.
Socialist senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont jammed a 767-page amendment into the bill, then violated Senate procedures to suddenly withdraw it when Republicans forced the entire amendment to be read on the Senate floor.
Far from being a brilliant plan constructed by top doctors and financial experts in a government brain trust, this health-care bill is a twisted, deformed political document, seen in its entirety by only a few high-ranking politicians belonging to a single political party. Its components have not been precisely crafted as part of a fantastic system calibrated to ensure the maximum access to quality health care for all Americans.
The bill is not being examined with transparency and careful deliberation by representatives who behave as humble servants of the people and their Constitution. Instead, it’s being hastily rammed through in the dead of night, over the objection of powerful majorities of the American people, with desperate last-minute deals cut to acquire the necessary votes, financed by vast sums of taxpayer money. The primary consideration is not crafting the most sophisticated and intelligent health care reform… it’s getting a bill pushed through before angry voters have a chance to blast the Democrats out of Congress.
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Our legislators have betrayed We the People. They are intent on converting our Free Country into a Socialist State.
Jed_65_99 on Twitter says it all…
And they think they are cute for doing so.
Nicely done by Doctor Zero, and you Michelle. The free market, imperfect as it is, is light years more wise and efficient than what is produced any time government tyrants seek to replace it with their own Utopian plans. Whenever government interferes and distorts the free market, along come scores of harmful intended and unintended consequences. From their experience with monarchs, the Founding Fathers clearly understood this, and deliberately limited the power of the federal government over us, through the Constitution. Enter liberalism/socialism, and we have our current monstrosity of a federal government, usurping the rights of the States and the People respectively, and seeking to rule over every aspect of our lives. Why? Because they foolishly believe the People, who the government is supposed to serve, are too stupid to know how to govern themselves. Their mistake.
I believe that a conservative electoral tsunami will oust record #’s of liberals from public office starting next year. This will be the death of liberalism….finally.
One valid argument against these huge radical socialist bills is that the cost will be paid by future generations. Want some irony? 1/3 of Americans under 30 prefer socialism and another 1/3 don’t have a preference. America will get what it deserves.
Parents, nice job teaching your kids. /sarc
I’ve been on the “loosing” side of freedom all my 50+ years and I doubt I’ll see freedom triumph over tyranny. What to do? Protect yourself and yours as best you can. You can’t change the world, so change how it effects you.
To quote that famous AMERICAN, GOMER PYLE, “SURPRISE,SURPRISE,SURPRISE”!!! Now let’s all stop the phony SHOCK… This is the way you do “BUSINESS” in DC… How else would you have x-thousand EARMARKS in a spending bill… Now sit back and take your MEDICINE like good little boys and girls… In closing, remember ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!
Isn’t the parents. It’s the education system infested with America hating liberals, who refuse to teach (if they even understand it themselves) the wisdom of the American economic system.
There is a disconnect between your stats, and the spiraling down of Obama’s approval ratings, the fact that only 35% of people in the country want this health care bill passed, and the fact that it is starting to look like a conservative landslide in 2010. But still I get your point; that too many people are woefully uninformed about the history of our Country and what has made it great.
*I will continue to phone and e-mail, but McCain has already come out and said there is nothing the GOP can do to stop it; I believe he is right, so I offer up these potential actions for 2010:
**The GOP needs to be the “party of repeal” for the 2010 election cycle, committing itself to the repeal of all this destructive legislation passed or proposed by the Dems, which is all of it, while offering up clear alternatives in each instance(no Democrat bovine scatology lite allowed)!
**The Tea Party Nation needs to convene early in the year to establish a platform that should include targeting for removal from office ALL Dems and ALL RINO’s; Call them out with a steady drumbeat and offer up support only for fiscally conservative candidates!
***The people in general need to consider starving the beast in order to shut it down; The government does not operate without the revenue, period, and they WILL listen to that; There are ways to make that happen; Get results, don’t give excuses!
Thank you sbw999 for making my point: parents failed educating their children.
There is no disconnect in my stats. Many of the people mad at the Socialist In Chief are mad because he isn’t moving far and fast enough.
Maybe I’m naive, as my kids are still very young, but it is hard to believe that my kids’ teachers can override the values that I instill in them. Of course many parents either don’t bother to teach values or agree with the socialists.
And they will come after homeschoolers and our churches in the coming years to “convert” the remaining 2/3.
Homes schoolers and our churches are a subset of the unrepentant capitalist Obama’s friend and mentor William Ayres has plans for.
They will certainly try, and in most cases succeed. My two “kids” 22 and 23, grew up with their eyes wide open to lib bias in their schools, and still see through lib BS any time they hear it. But most parents dont know enough themselves about what is going on politically in this Country, and that is reflected in young people drinking lib kool-aid by the gallon. As far as “values”, all I can say is that both my children were sent to private religious schools, as the public schools, cesspools of liberalism, didnt enforce what they learned at home.
These people (congress) are incomprehensible!!!!
We would be better off with 500 chimps sitting in congress~~~
I can’t believe that McCain (“there’s nothing we can do to stop this”) is today’s pointman today. Chris Wallace is carving him up on Fox since he was the guy who proposed much of this bill last year. Blames the “partisan climate” for GOP ineptness. Try raising your voice, pounding the table, taking it to the street, going on the attack!!! What an obtuse moron.
THIS Republican party has got to go. Purge, purge, purge. It is not going to work to go into 2010 with these guys running the party.
This fascist like government simply doesn’t care what the people think or want. Their insane policies are intended to destroy the free enterprise system and make the masses slaves to their social policies. Furthermore, there is no viable opposition leadership . . . all we get is phony political whores like Nelson cutting deals for himself. The bottom line is that this once great Republic is eating itself alive and no one is doing anything about it.
Sounds to me like Ben Nelson did not get Cash-for-Cloture; instead, he got Cas-for-Cowards.
Too true, I have heard rumor that the next step is to change Federal school money guidelines to say that all instructors of education must be certified. In otherwords what they are trying to do is to force parents to become credentialed teachers or their states will loose money (of course they will claim it is for the children to get it rammed through).
Like I said this is just a rumor that I have heard from a few of the teachers here locally. It is about a 50/50 split on how they are reacting. Some think it is terribel others are gloating.
Wallace just nailed him on his support of Cap and Trade. McCain is running away from every question relating to “Who is the real McCain?”
Okay DeMint. Here’s your moment. Go after the leadership hammer and tong. Unfortunately, you have no counterpart in the House to do the same.
OK, come 2010 the Republicans take over congress, huge win, blah blah. Now what? Seriously, what are they going to do? Repeal demcare? Not terribly likely. The vast majority of republicans go to congress to make deals with democrats.
So the democrats will still be in charge.
Worse, things will start to get really bad economically.
Obama’s popularity soars as he condemns a “do-nothing” congress.
Republicans panic, run around trying to craft their own stimulus programs.
Democrats call them hypocrites.
Republicans say they had to abandon free-market principles to save the country.
Dem popularity rises.
Everyone forgets 2009.
Huge victory for democrats in 2012.
Obama promises to heal the nation’s wounds after the crushing defeat in Afghanistan. The new Congress cancels all future elections and proclaims Obama President for Life.
Other scenarios are possible, of course, but none are much better.
Just like when THIS Republican Party was in control of everything, they fall one vote short of victory again. The only difference is that the Dems didn’t need the “Gangs of McCain” this time.
Call every dem. senator and ask where their payoff is…Why should your state (fake zip if needed) have to pay and Nelson and Landreiu profit from your own senator’s lack of political finesse?
Start a dust up among senators…..
This “imperfect” bill is a glaring cautionary tale to those who are always arguing that “perfection is the enemy of the good” and “the lesser of two evils”. We were expecting something much better, not perfect. And evil is evil. We aren’t interested in voting for the Republican version of evil. That’s both parties are so unpopular. American citizens and interests are not represented in Congress. Might as well rename the Capitol building as Goldman Sachs Park, or GE Stadium.
SBW99, mine, 18 and 16 are fully aware of the lib bias. Somehow thankfully they caught on and are keen to recognize the pitfalls of socialism and the con men that sell it.
The Chineese are saying that the world cannot give the US more cash. Seems like they already know that a Communist US will NOT be a leader of ANY sort in the world. They already know the limitations of socialism and will be moving away from the US as fast as the US moves towards Communism.
And make no mistake, this healthcare bill IS a MAJOR step towards Communism!
Kinda makes me wonder why the democrats never outwardly showed their love of the totalitarian USSR.
I am sure that their parents had something to do with that. No easy feat in today’s liberal academic environment. Well done!
As an aside: Meet The Press lineup: David Axelrod, Markos Moulitsas, Howard Dean, Tavis Smiley….
Was Hugo Chavez not available?
Our family will do what it can, but I doubt our Senators can do more than delay this damn thing by insisting it is read out loud.
Our son was working towards a Pharmacy degree, but has given up on school stating he couldn’t stand the damn liberals in the University system and saw no future in going after a professional degree with the takeover of the Medical Industry on the horizon. He is one pissed off young man and has become a staunch Conservative and trusts our political overlords as much as my wife and I do.
I consider this tactic of sneaking through this travesty in the wee hours of the morning an open declaration of war on the American people and will act accordingly. I have never felt so betrayed and pissed in my life.
GOODBYE AMERICA! I fought for you, I loved you, and now I must say goodbye to the America that I once knew and adored because of a bunch of sniveling little cowardly, spineless traitors who who call themselves congress and value power and money over patriotism and individual freedom. Do not fear, however, this goodbye is only temporary.
GOODBYE CONSTITUTION! I took an oath to support and defend you but the government and it’s president vomited on you, tore you to shreds and laughed when I protested. Do not fear, this goodbye is only temporary.
GOODBYE FREEDOM’S RING! You have been replaced by the socialist slave collar. Now we are expected to bend our backs to the master’s whip. We are expected to get in line and conform or be fined, ridiculed, spat on and despised by the minions who vote their own pay raises, jet back and forth to work on luxury planes while sipping fine cocktails and look down their noses at the underlings they tolerate with disdain. Do not fear, this goodbye is only temporary.
GOODBYE PATRIOTISM?
NOT SO FAST!
We are still here. True patriots do not stand by and watch their country being ripped to shreds without doing anything. The resistance continues. It will grow and pretty soon the infected, diseased, government will find out that it’s little bag of dirty tricks will not be enough to stand up against those who will take this country back. So, party-on Obama-dudes. Dance until the sun comes up.
FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS! My grip on the country I love and it’s ideals will never weaken. I and those like me will continue to resist as much as necessary to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, an oath I took over 40 years ago and one that I will never renounce.
Senator Nelson,
You should be ashamed of yourself. You have sold out you dignity, your constituents and hopefully you chance for re-election in 2012 in exchange for NOTHING! Senator Conrad said on Fox News Sunday this morning that the sweetheart deal you got fro Nebraska’s Medicaid funding will be at the discretion of future Congresses to fund. Clearly it was his intention to say that Nebraska will never see those extended Medicaid subsidies. How does it feel to be stabbed in the back by you fellow Democrat before you even vote. Oh, and you did such a good job holding the line on that abortion issue. Lets hope Congressman Stupak and his coalition have the balls to stand behind their values that obviously you no not have. 2012 is not that far off and we will not let Nebraskans forget your treachery. Go ahead, cast that 60th vote you coward. Have a Merry Christmas.
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The saddest part of the whole mess is this: while the treasonous swine in the senate do their work in darkness, conservatives sit back and “analyze,” make snarky pronouncements, and in general, say “we wuz robbed!” as out country is destroyed.
If one so-called “leader” of the conservative side — Limbaugh, Beck, MM, et. al. — would stand up and call for mass protests, mass civil disobedience (the libs do this every time their will is thwarted) instead of playing the game by the nicey-nice “rules” and “processes” of polite political discourse as practiced by, for example, NRO, we might have a chance to stop this.
But I guess it’s too late for that now. Reid and his goons will ram this through, it will never be repealed, and what happens in the next elections — where, realistically, the gains for the right won’t be anything near as great as some seem to think — won’t mean a thing.
We as individuals can talk big, but it takes someone with an audience and guts to get the ball rolling. Too bad.
Haven’t read what’s been posted earlier so maybe this has. But . . .
When in US history has one state been exempted by law from what all the other states have to pay? The “health care” bill is a disaster in and of itself, but is exempting Nebraska even constitutional? Suppose the Democrat controlled Congress exempted the citizens of one state from paying income tax. Is that even legal?
Will this be the beginning of a trend?
Is Lieberman back from CT? I assume Reid would send a military plane to get him if necessary.
So who allows their children to enter the doors of Caesar’s schools? Who allows their children to sit for 35 hours a week in these “illiteracy cartels” (as Georg Lukacs called them)? Besides, even if parents should choose to allow their children to attend these indoctrination centers, do they not still have the ability to ask their kids, “so, what did you learn today? Get out your social studies book and let’s discuss it.” You’ve just acknowledged one of the biggest problems in this country: the almost total abdication by American parents to the state of their responsibility to educate and train their children.
1. The stats.
2. A “conservative landslide”? Based upon what? The Democratic Congress had between a 9% and 13% approval rating in the weeks leading up to the 2008 elections. And how did they fair? The vast majority of the incumbents were reelected. This trend has been occurring for years. Besides, who is going to replace all of the spineless Republicans, that is, the vast majority of all Republicans, who you keep reelecting?
Where do state-educated children spend most of their time? Who is teaching them for the greatest amount of time during the week? His/her teachers and the television. You’ll be fighting an uphill battle. An hour of Sunday school per week can’t compete with it either.
“Socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity. … In the new order, Socialism will triumph by first capturing the culture via infiltration of schools, universities, churches and the media by transforming the consciousness of society.” ~ Antonio Gramsci
“We are obliged… to make amusement a weapon of collective education. The cinema competes with the church. This rivalry may become fatal for the church. The cinema liberates you from the need of crossing the church door. Here is an instrument we must secure at all costs.” ~ Severneya Pravda
“To prepare society for psychological control, the very soul of the individual must be destroyed in its youth by disturbing it with evil via forced schooling and media.” ~ György Lukács
Nelson sold out because he’s just another of the Democrat robots who are willing to commit political suicide to advance the Leftist agenda. These people are completely suicidal and their colossal ignorance and selfishness is absolutely stunning.
I’m with Send_me. There will be no “conservative landslide” so long as Republicans either vote Republican or stay home. We need a complete purge of Republican Party leadership. Jim DeMint should now be openly calling for heads. He is already confronting the leadership with his Senate Republican Conservative Committee where he is successfully financing conservatives to oppose the RNC picks. There is no one in the House willing to do that (spare me the Michelle Bachman nonsense… she delivered those Tea Party activists on the Capitol steps to the feet of John Boehner and Eric Kantor… clueless).
We already have an effective majority coalition that can make a big difference in 2010. The keys to 2010 are Tea Party, Sarah Palin, Dick Armey and Jim DeMint. Both parties are led by socialists who force members to sign suicide pacts. With our surging numbers and proven effectiveness, how hard would it be to fracture both parties permanently?
Go ahead, keep voting automatically for Republicans as “the lesser of two evils” and “perfection is the enemy of the good”. Brain dead thinking.
These gosh horrible crooks have the nerve to say the ‘Pledge’ before they start ramming this bill through! I wonder how many put their hands over their hearts? I doubt they put their hands over their hearts, they have no hearts! I am surprised they have a prayer also. If they gave a flit about our Republic NO one would vote for this bill.
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Landrieu and Nelson are but the latest examples of how meretricious socialists and RINOs are.
He: “Will you sleep with me for $1,000,000.00?”
She: “Oh, yes!”
He: “Will you sleep with me for $100.00?”
She: “Certainly not! What do you think I am?”
He: “We’ve already established that.
Now, we are merely negotiating the price.”
Regarding the details of the deals received by Landrieu and Nelson, we found out for what price political whores will prostitute themselves (i.e., how much their vote, as opposed to something else, will cost).
Wow.
The full sexual imagery didn’t hit me my first read through.
Yes, I know that this is supposed to be a family blog….
I do have a congress critter who is not toooo bad and Senator who is only half assed but I think I will go with the DO NOT RE ELECT ANYBODY motto this round. McCain is up in 2010 and I’ll sit on my vote if he gets the nomination. I have never done that but it is time I do.
That these people can call such thieves, charlatans and vulgarians “friend despite our differences” is just too much. We are talking the about the very future of our country and people. That a person can be a friend of a fascist is just beyond my comprehension.
Call it the Urge to Purge.
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It’s always darkest (no racism intended!) before the dawn. AERO #5, BEENTHERE #19, PRENDAD #19.
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I also have seen many disturbing trends towards socialism, marxism, and communism in my 68+ years of life. A cheapening of Christian beliefs and patriotic values, and an increase in “let’s rip off that rich guy over there” to benefit the “poor people” thinking. Traditional communist class warfare stuff. A failure to understand why we are the greatest country–economically, socially, and militarily–in the world.
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It didn’t happen by accident–our brave forefathers dreamed of it, fought for it, and framed our Constitution to give it to us. And we fought a Civil War to keep our country together and to correct the horrible injustices to Black People caused by slavery. We paid in blood to give them their liberty and freedom.
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Comrade Obama (PBUH), Prince Harry Reid, and Princess Nancy Pelosi are in charge now. But we will have our day to remove these Un-American “democratic” / liberal / socialist / statist / marxist / communist clowns in the 2010 and 2012 elections. Many patriots are “standing tall” now. Many of the “sheeple” are going to wake up when the “no higher taxes on you” lies are exposed by their first paycheck with an additional 10 percent of the money gone to pay for this C**P SANDWICH.
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They can ignore us at will now. But if elections are ever suspended, or a Fidel Castro style takeover occurs there will be blood in the streets–the “line at the Alamo” will be crossed by many patriots. Thomas Jefferson had some germane comments on this subject–re: Second and First Amendments to the U.S. Constitution.
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I think you are alluding to Jon Kyl who actually is FULL assed. He campaigned for re-election in 2006 swearing on all that he holds sacred that he would do everything possible to kill amnesty. Once re-elected he immediately took leadership on the McCain-Kennedy-Bush amnesty bill which was renamed with his own name. One of the snakiest snakes in the grass in the Senate.
Unless you meant someone else….
Look, what is shaping up right now, is a purging of democrats from the halls of Congress in 2010. No amount of happy talk by libs will replace the hard numbers….double digit unemployment; insane levels of national debt and deficit. 2010 will be as 2008 was, a referendum on the Party in charge; however the ideas of the Party seeking to be in charge will also be in play, unlike 2008, when the Manchurian Candidate snuck through the door, because nobody bothered to try to figure out what it is he really stood for.
I just hope that enough conservatives know how to ARTICULATE what it is we stand for. I watched Ed Gillespie on Meet The Press and was yelling at the TV because he kept missing the opportunity to speak to the viewers directly and address the lib idiots on the program as to the real objections to this health care bill; the fact that this Country was not founded on a federal govt running the lives of American citizens. I was pleading for him to espouse and explain just what being a conservative means.
I also would strongly caution ANY conservative who is thinking of throwing away his vote by splitting the Party. I am a conservative and want a conservative candidate. But if I don’t get THEE candidate that I want to see, I will not cast my vote in such a manner as to split with conservatives/repubs…handing liberals an easy electoral victory. I strongly believe that if libs keep their majorities in both the Senate and the House in 2010, IT IS OVER for this Country. I understand voting on principle, but I’m also pragmatic. Id rather see a moderate repub, than a moderate dem, or socialist dem any time. So the repub/conservative movement better get its act together, and come up with a candidate that all people not of the liberal persuasion can get behind. If not, the country will be irreversibly lost.
sbw99: let me save you some time. Take 2010 off. Your Republican vote is already in the bag. Your kind of thinking is why Republicans are in such dire straits. We conservatives are winning without you “Republican Uber Alles” noseholders and don’t need you. YOU are splitting the party by defending the status quo. WE are winning by sticking to our conservative principles. As time passes, there are fewer and fewer of YOU and more and more of US.
I know, “does not compute”.
True, sorry he is FULL. Either definition I will not vote for him again.
sbw99,
If you can explain the difference between Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, John McCain, Arlen Specter, Ben Nelson, Evan Bayh, Lindsay Graham, and Kay Bailey Hutchison, please let me know.
Even today during the Healthcare fight the MSM wants you to think John McCain is leading the fight against it.
My position is simple. Like Sarah Palin the most conservative candidate gets my vote. PERIOD.
1) Senator Kirk was Kennedy’s right-hand man. He’s just as much a Socialist as Kennedy (the one who wrote a personal letter to the U.S.S.R offering his help when Reagan was President).
2) Did you see the Parade magazine cover story today? It was distributed with Sunday newspapers around the country. I’d say, “I question the timing”, but there is no question that this was timed to coincide with the “Do it for Teddy!” vote.
3) Kirk shouldn’t even be a Senator. By the law changes made in Massachusetts when Mitt Romney was Governor and the Dems were afraid of having a Republican name the Senate replacement for John Kerry (if Kerry had won the 2004 Presidential election), Teddy Kennedy’s Senate seat should be VACANT right now, pending a special election to fill it.
Without the Massachusetts Dems once again changing the law to suit themselves, Kennedy’s seat would be vacant, and Reid would not have 60 votes for cloture.
(Forgive me for reformatting and reposting something that I posted in the Nebraska doctor thread.)
Something to think about. If the noseholders get their way again, 2012 will be find Obama running against John McCain’s #2 choice for VP behind Joe Leiberman, GOP central casting establishment candidate Tim Pawlenty, or Al Gore’s 1988 Texas campaign manager Rick Perry. So I ask again, who is splitting the party? Independent conservatives like me? Really?
As Odysseus said in the Odyssey, it is important to be angry at the right people, for the right reasons, at the right time. You noseholders have the timing right but you are angry at conservatives for your party’s failures. Get the who and why right and maybe then we can talk. Don’t ask us to yet again to “pile Pelion upon Ossa”, or as the Dems prefer “pile Ossa upon Pelion”.
My thoughts exactly. How is this NOT a violation of equal protection?
Rocketman, and others who anticipate great good to come out of the 2010 and 2012 elections, you folks clearly have no idea who and what you are up against.
Rocketman, what are you going to do, move to Kalifornia AND Arizona and somehow outvote the marxists who live there?
We do not have fair elections in this country anymore. Fraud and corruption is the game. If you could fight fraud with polls and telephone calls, we wouldn’t be where we are today. Revolution is the only answer. I direct your attention to:
1. The practice of redistricting, where those in power redraw the district boundaries to select the people who get to vote. Need proof the practice works? 13% public approval rating for congress overall and 90% re-election success.
2. Black Panther 2008 voter intimidation at polling booths going unpunished and unchecked.
3. Acorn 2008 voter registration fraud in several states.
4. Dead voters “re-electing” the governer of Washington State. No meaningful investigation afterward.
A reminder of something Karl (at HotAir Green Room) pointed out on December 8th:
But Nelson never really intended to demand the Stupak language or block the bill.
As Senator Coburn accurately predicted:
That’s exactly what happened.
Why is it that no one is asking Senator Jim Webb of Virginia, who has said nothing about his vote, anything? He wrote an op-ed earlier last week and said he was undecided. His spokeswoman said the same thing on Thursday. Apparently, no one in the media has asked him anything since then, and he has said nothing about his vote.
So all of you who live in Virginia, in particular, need to melt his phone, fax, and e-mail now! He is likely tallying his contacts from constituents. Remember, Virgina just had a huge Republican victory in the Gubernatorial race. His contact information is below.
Danville
308 Craghead Street
Suite 102A
Danville, VA 24541
Phone: 434-792-0976
Fax: 434-972-0978
Hampton Roads
222 Central Park Ave.
Suite 120
Virginia Beach, VA 23462
Phone: 757-518-1674
Fax: 757-518-1679
Northern Virginia
7309 Arlington Boulevard
Suite 316
Falls Church, VA 22042
Loehmann’s Plaza
Phone:703-573-7090
Fax:703-573-7098
Norton
756 Park Avenue, N.W.
Norton, VA 24273
Mail to: 756 Park Avenue, N.W.
P.O. Box 1300
Norton, VA 24273
Phone: 276-679-4925
Fax: 276-679-4929
Richmond
507 East Franklin Street
Richmond, VA 23219
Phone: 804-771-2221
Fax: 804-771-8313
Roanoke
3140 Chaparral Drive
Building C, Suite 101
Roanoke, VA 24018
Phone: 540-772-4236
Fax: 540-772-6870
Washington, D.C.
248 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: 202-224-4024
Fax: 202-228-6363
Toll Free Number
1-866-507-1570
Exactly. Parents quit being a part of everything their children are involved in, allowing culture, government sanctioned schools, and the boob tube to raise them. I’ll never believe any different.
As far as the 60 Dems and 2 from Maine, count on them to always give Americans the collective middle finger. It boggles the mind that otherwise conservative living people still vote for the likes of them.
Most tools have no real purpose, when you get right down to it.
There are liberals, and there are Democrat tools for liberals.
Collins and Snowe are “the lesser of two evils”. Don’t you know that “perfection is the enemy of the good”? See the problem? Conservatives are throwing their votes away voting for those Republicans. That is why the GOP is now the defacto 3rd party. Don’t throw your vote away voting automatically for a Republican.
And this government says that the Afghanistan government is too corrupt to recrive their support. We have the most corrupt bunch of idiots in the world. My, my talk of calling the kettle black. Oops I’m a racest.
I don’t. I participate in the primaries and help decide who the best candidate is. Maine is lost.
Lesser is true–McCain has better hair I hear.
With China making noise about USA’s debt load this weekend, how is Obama going to pay for this thing even with tax increases? The numbers don’t add up.
Much of the expense will be passed down to the states. This is a colossal comprehensive national budget buster. That God McCain will be fighting this thing right down to the last second (har-har-har).
They can pass it anywhere they’d like. The money ain’t there. Its gotta be borrowed at some point in the process.
White slavery. It’ll be our turn.
Why is not Congress’s giving special favors to LA and NE not considered unconstitutional, in the same way, but the converse of, a bill of attainder; which, to my understanding, is a law, or bill, that singles out a specific individual or specific group of people for punishment?
Candidate, and now President, Obama calls this “spreading the wealth around”. Just as he promised. And it still won him an election.
Hey, but we sure showed that McCain and his merry band of RINO’s a thing or two! And we’re fixin’ to show ‘em more of that when we go to the polls next time and vote for Perot-Party (after we shun what few solid conservatives there are remaining in the GOP).
Yep, nothin’ like throwing out the car instead of changing the oil
Can this bill be challenged as unconstitutional? Can the people bring this before the supremes? I am so disgusted, but I refuse to give up the fight. Thirty-five years ago I raised my hand and swore to protect this nation from foreign and domestic enemies and right now we have domestic enemies in Washington. Somehow this madness needs to end. We just can not sit back anylonger and hope it will all work out.
This is absolute insanity. These left wing political morons are hell bent on the complete destruction of the Republic. The country is flat broke and the economy is in a shambles yet they insist on printing more money to pay for their socialist/communist causes. If someone doesn’t insert some sanity into this mess we’ll soon have rioting in the streets followed by chaos and anarchy. Anybody that doesn’t believe this just test the mood of the people.
Phil, you are a simple-minde, G.D. bore.
simple-minded
Having no logical argument to rebut point, you resort to what you liberals always do, name calling. Go back to sleep. It’ll be 2011 before you know it.
What’s wrong with “simple” if it is right?
Its tedious, Send. And the belief that the point can be won by relentless repetition to the same audience is extremely grating. As is the opinion that persons not drinking third-party Kool-Aid must necessarily be libs.
Senator Ho.
Lawsuits.. We need lots of lawsuits on this, because I’m convinced no matter what we say, they’ve made up their minds that they are going to force feed it to us anyway..
If the lawsuits & voting don’t work, that means the only option left is to revive the 1st amendment by utilizing the provisions within the second one.
I sincerely hope mind you that they don’t eventually force us to force them to give us back our “Free State”.
“We need lots of lawsuits”
I suspect the courts will be heavily involved.
Also at Red State… A MUST read strategy for the left and right to work together to kill DemCare:
http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/12/20/the-extraordinary-measures-needed-to-kill-the-bill/
The left would dance with great glee if conservatives made a move toward forming a 3rd party, as their MSM has suggested all too often in recent days. There are two ways to define the term “Tea Party”, and they see it as a political party brand. They don’t get the historical significance, nor were they taught it in school.
Would it hurt to stage massive Tea Party rallies across the country chanting “Liars! Liars!” while holding pictures of Joe Wilson and Obama? Since our entire entrenched criminal class of elected weasels conspired to make this happen, they are ALL liars.
Jangar and the rest of you “Republican Uber Alles” zombies. The Republican IS the 3rd party. Conservatives outnumber what is left of your doomed tribe of losers by more than 2 to 1. Do the math. Tea Party is now the biggest party. How dense are you people anyway?
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HI AGAIN AERO–#53. Good points–particularly when there are supposedly 400,000 ACORN types on taxpayer and Soros money getting ready to do the election fraud again. And dead people have been voting democRATic for many decades.
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If the 6 biggest (population wise) states all vote for one candidate for President that person wins. And these 6 states will probably elect the House. My Texas and possibly Florida will cut this to 4 solid blue states.
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However, the Senate is still “takeable” by enough patriotic people who are tired of this C**P. Wise people who set up the Senate in our Constitution. “Flyover Space” still has a voice and control.
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As far as moving to another state–I like Texas pretty well. And anyone who tries to stop me from voting will find out what real Army training long ago really means. Billy clubs won’t get you into the ballpark–let alone to first base–in Texas.
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It’s time for ballots–not bullets– now. And for financial support for real conservative candidates. SARAH PALIN for POTUS–JOHN BOLTON for VP. An AMERICA FIRST ticket. No more democRATS, RINOS, or corrupticans.
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John Bibb
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good idea…hold them in front of their home offices…let them hear you inside the offices loud and clear that they won’t be around with jobs next year!!!
That appears to be a typo on the Dem’s calendar. The amendment is 3276, not 2376.
Google Reid Baucus Dodd Harkin 3276 and you’ll find a pitiful amount of entries. The media’s selective attention is pathetic. The Democrats’ actions are so transparent, honorable, and sincere, yet they tack this onto a bill about homebuyer reform for military personnel and hurry to vote at a time when the public is not paying attention.
Pride goeth before destruction, and the Democrats must be very proud of their tactics to pass a bill that would make Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley cringe, because they have no pride in the bill itself. If they were proud, they wouldn’t rush this almighty, constitution-skirting, society-quaking response to a need for reform and obscure its progress by hiding behind diversions of Copenhagen, the holiday season, and the abundance of amendment changes and additions. The American people may not know what hit them until it’s too late.
The esteemed politicians say that they did this because reform cannot wait any longer. They want to proclaim to the nation that they are on the cusp of saving the country from dying by the millions. They are not honest representatives working for our best interests. They are power-driven elitists with delusions of New Deal-level grandeur, delusions now within their grasp. They don’t care that they’re going about their responsibilities all wrong. Instead of a thoroughly-evaluated journey, they prefer the fast track to the destination, to heck with the results.
Jumping on the Bush backlash bandwagon brought us to this point. Now we all get to reap the consequences of voter ignorance.
Let the Tea Party energy surge. TPers are the shock troops of conservatism just now. Granted, the leaders of GOP have made a mess. I would not hesitate to vote for other than the GOP candidate as in NY-23. I’d also have been happy to send a message in the voting booth to the leadership when they forced Specter down the throats of PA conservatives. I’d vote for Rubio against Crist if Rubio had to go third party (not that that is a possibility). The GOP needs “a little correction.”
What is insane is to go to war against the whole of the GOP instead of trying to defeat the RINOs and reassert conservative dominance in the only real party that we have.
People seem to imagine that in some glorious third-party future, after we take down the GOP, we will be a brilliant, unified, unstoppable conservative wave sweeping all before us. Does not happen that way except for murderous totalitarian regimes. We will always struggle over how big the tent is and who is in and who is out and when we need to conduct a purge. Changing our official banner to say “Tea Party” rather than “GOP” would leave carnage in its wake. And when it was all over, the same divisions would again begin to open. Of course in the meantime, with little coherent opposition, the Dems would truly have turned this country into a Soviet-style one-party state. Neither the Tea Party or the Grand Old Party would be that surviving party.
Hey Pasadena Phil:
Clearly we want conservative candidates. That may or may not happen; of couse I hope it does. but if you don’t get exactly who it is you want, your advice is to vote for the candidate that has no chance of winning, and allow Obama another 4 years to bury us. God your brilliant!!
Not that I would ever discourage you all from splitting the vote (by all means!), but I do find it curious that Pasadena Phil is railing against the “wasted votes” on those RINOs Snowe and Collins when neither of them are voting for this bill. If that were two Dems sitting in those seats (which is a lot more likely than two hardline conservatives) rather than two moderate Republicans, you all would more likely be facing a bill with a public option rather than one without.
It’s hard not to despise those Maine RINOs, chapoutier, but what you say is exactly right.
There ya go Pasadena and Flyover man…The Socialist Party awaits your willing assistance!!!
“it’s all going to be on CSpan!”
Barack O’doodleduffus 08′
Another thing I have been contemplating, Chapoutier, is just how sweet it would have been to have had just one more senate seat. In my state of NC, for example, we lost Elizabeth Dole in the Obama wave. Granted, she has always been a bit of a disappointment and she ran a poor campaign. Still, she should have been able to hold her seat. If she’d been there, there would be no cloture.
(It should also be remembered that Elizabeth a-bit-too-moderate Dole was the key vote in stopping amnesty.)
The only outcome of supporting a third party is to ensure that the republicans are defeated, and the democrat gets elected.
Every time.
And this is somehow supporting the conservative cause, in your mind. You clearly have a mental illness if what you profess to want to happen (helping conservativeism) ends up hurting the cause and benefiting our political enemy.
The only thing they understand is when the money totally dries up. When Americans either cannot or will not file their tax payments. But then maybe that is what they want people to do… to give them an excuse to go after them?
I realize that most of these corrupt thieves are oblivious to the wishes of we the people. I’m afraid only one thing will take this country back. Are Americans willing to do it?
sbw999: Automatically voting for the Republican no matter what. Genius. If you RINOs insist on warring against us conservatives, you will lose. What did it get you in 2006? 2008? Bush barely won in both of his elections while destroying the GOP and the economy. Brilliant! That is why the GOP is known as “the stupid party”. Fortunately, we are down to 18% of the voting population that identifies with “the stupid party” so people are learning. You? Nope. That Titanic is unsinkable right?
I would say to all those GOP Senate members, lean across the isle and tell the yea voters they have got a nay vote in the next election.
Power Line reported that Webb has wussed out.
Your lack of vision exemplifies the reason “conservatives” are so inept when it comes to politics. The irony is that “conservatives” claim to be the principled ones.
I’ll quote Geffrey Botkin on this:
“Until the Palin selection, McCain did not have the hearts of Evangelical voters. He probably had their votes, however, because he is a Republican. But the campaign wasn’t taking any chances that the ‘fright factor’ would work in November as it has before.
“Fear can go a long way to secure the loyalty of the demographic known in Washington as ‘the Stupid Demographic’: The other candidate is a Democrat. He is therefore scary. Be very afraid. Vote Republican.”
Words of advice from John Quincy Adams:
“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.”
Pointless to keep calling the senators. We get either a busy signal or a voicemail advising us to call at another time.
I shall continue faxing the “NO to healthcare ‘reform’ until we, The People, see and approve the provisions!” to Washington and the individual State offices of all senators.
They truly hate ordinary Americans, don’t they? Democrat Senators, that is.
They have complete and total disdain what the majority of America thinks of this all-time turd of a bill.
It’s like the Senate is taking a club and just clubbing ordinary Americans with it.
This Christmas week will never, ever be forgotten for its betrayal of America by the Senate.
My loathing of them has hit an all time extreme.
Never will I forget, for all my life, what is happening in Washington right now.