Obama took approximately 2 months to make his decision.

Bush was considering the “Big Push” well before the November elections, but waited until after them to begin gathering the data and come public with his desire for troop increases (hmmm…wonder why). He did not announce the surge until January 10. How long is that?

Which by the way, is how it should be. Even if I disagree with the surge, I could at least claim it wasn’t “snap”. Bush spent time reviewing proposals and speaking with experts.

The only difference is in the attitude of the vitriolic right, like yourself. I don’t recall one single voice here claiming Bush was killing troops by waiting until after the 2006 elections and then after that taking 2 months to formulate a plan.

Perhaps, you need to detach your lips from the teet of the Dem party. You really think that people are just going to forget what Obummer and his Dem accomplices did? Are you that naive? Maybe you are. You’re of the mind that the economy is A-okay in a couple of years when we still have a 10% (really a 17%) unemployment rate, people are still losing their homes, and the other shoe has yet to drop (the commercial real estate market). The only person on this blog with his head in the clouds (like most liberals) is you.

Thank you for proving my point. You think I am the only one on here saying that Obama and the Dems are going to be a lot tougher to beat than you think? Try looking at some of corkie’s posts, for starters. The economic numbers are definitely improving (how much up is the Dow since January 20?). Unemployment will start to come down next year. It may not be much, but it will be enough for Dems to claim credit. And by the time 2012 rolls around, the recovery, such as it is, will be peaking. Enough for Obama to claim he saved the economy. You seem to be banking on two things: 1) some mythical other “shoe to drop” and 2) that the “American people will not forget.”

As to the former, I love this. No one ever says what this “other shoe” is or why or how it will drop. But they are so certain it will. Let’s be honest, you are HOPING for some “shoe” to “drop” because that will be the only way the predictions that ran rampant around here that the economy would tank under Obama could be vindicated. I don’t know how many thimes, around February and March, people here thought the end was neigh. DOW at 3,000! Unemployment at 20%! Dogs and cats living together! It didn’t turn out that way, because this recession, while deeper, followed the same freaking path that pretty much every recession does (as will the recovery, which is why its peak will be around 2012). You all were just too blinded by Obama hatred to remember that.

As to the latter, first you think I am the naive one to claim Americans don’t forget? Please. The second the average American starts to feel a bit of economic security and a little more money in his wallet, he is and always has, going to have a real short memory. Now, the Dems are still going to lose seats next year. But sorry…it is not going to be the tsunami you all think it is and do you know why? Because this board does not reflect the realities of the average American’s political views or awareness. Sorry. It doesn’t. I am certain no one here will “forget” whatever. But you should try to step outside this warm little cocoon every once in a while. You know how many people listen to Fox News in a day? About .9% of the voting eligible population. Limbaugh listeners represent about 1.6%. I know it is easy to think that everyone around you is as angry about things as you are when you primarily associate with those types of people, but it ain’t reality.

But in any case I encourage you to continue along this willfully ignorant path. All the better for my side.

Which one trashed this country and which one didn’t?

This is a silly, unsubstantiated opinion that I encourage you to continue to cling to (see above).

Which one made snap military decisions and which one didn’t?

Ohhhh…what “snap” military decisions was Reagan forced into? Whether or not to invade Granada? If you think that is in any way comparable to Afghanistan, then you would be wrong. But in any case, I don’t want snap decisions made with a military when there is time to make a measured one. Something you all conveniently ignore in this whole “Obama is killing troops by diddling” hyperbolic drivel is that those additional troops are being deployed there quicker than McChrystal had requested.

Who really contributed to the current economic mess and which one didn’t?

Neither. Presidents have very little influence over economic cycles.

Which one actually did more harm to this country and which one didn’t?

I am sure I could point to many good and bad things Reagan did for this country. Same with Obama. As could any fair minded person, so I won’t burden you with the same question.

Have a Merry Christmas in the last one of a truly non-socialist America.

James Greenidge
Queens NY

chapoutier said:

Debacle for whom, exactly? Obama is delivering more or less what he promised during the campaign. You may recall that one. I think that was the campaign he won by 7% popular and about a gazillion electoral votes.

What the hell is Obummer exactly delivering? A flawed bill? A bill that “mandates” people to buy insurance and increase the premiums for middle class families like mine? Perhaps, that’s fine for rich lawyers like yourself but for the rest of us that isn’t “change we can believe in.”

Ummm…. you really need to detach yourself from Obummer’s campaign since it doesn’t jive with reality. Winning an election on false promises and lies only gets you so far until you have to stay in a job long enough to accomplish anything. Obummer…. really hasn’t done that, has he?

In any case, I encourage you all to keep on dreaming of 2010 electoral sugar plums and 2012 fairies based upon 2009 poll numbers and economic statistics.

Perhaps, you need to detach your lips from the teet of the Dem party. You really think that people are just going to forget what Obummer and his Dem accomplices did? Are you that naive? Maybe you are. You’re of the mind that the economy is A-okay in a couple of years when we still have a 10% (really a 17%) unemployment rate, people are still losing their homes, and the other shoe has yet to drop (the commercial real estate market). The only person on this blog with his head in the clouds (like most liberals) is you.

I’d also, just for kicks, love you to look at what Reagan’s approval numbers were right around this time in his first term.

Just for kicks, mind you, I’d like you to compare Reagan’s and Obummer’s leadership styles. Which one trashed this country and which one didn’t? Which one made snap military decisions and which one didn’t? Who really contributed to the current economic mess and which one didn’t? Which one actually did more harm to this country and which one didn’t?

Self-idealization is nice but it just doesn’t really live up to reality. Unfortunately, overly identifying with a political party and celebrating what is sure to harm this country and introduce a “back-door” public, government takeover is just sad.

There is a special election in Massachusetts on January 19 (absentee voting has already begun) to fill the Senate seat formerly held by Teddy Kennedy.

Scott Brown is the Republican candidate.

Check out Scott Brown’s website at
http://www.BrownForUSSenate.com

If Scott Brown wins, he would be the crucial 41st Republican vote in the Senate which can prevent the Democrats from winning future cloture votes.

Let’s show the Democrats how much damage they have done with this health care bill, by electing a Republican to replace Teddy Kennedy!!!

Entitlement reform after the health care debacle? A snortworthy joke.

Debacle for whom, exactly? Obama is delivering more or less what he promised during the campaign. You may recall that one. I think that was the campaign he won by 7% popular and about a gazillion electoral votes.

In any case, I encourage you all to keep on dreaming of 2010 electoral sugar plums and 2012 fairies based upon 2009 poll numbers and economic statistics.

I’d also, just for kicks, love you to look at what Reagan’s approval numbers were right around this time in his first term.

On December 23rd, 2009 at 2:29 pm, emjem24 said:

As a military member myself, I’ll just say this: Preach it!

On December 23rd, 2009 at 3:04 pm, chapoutier said:
But more to the substance…I believe the major issue is entitlement reform.

But the entitled class is what put Obama in power. He will do everything he can to increase that base, and nothing to alienate it.

On December 23rd, 2009 at 10:29 am, Dexter Alarius said:
Demand the bill be read! Let’s hear all 2100+ pages!!!

WHY AREN’T THEY DOING THAT??? They did it before with an amendment and it worked except the libs completely trashed the rules. They need to try again. ANYTHING to delay this!

Debate will never happen on the debt ceiling. Throw it under the bus with the debate on health care (with the blessing of repubs).

Yeah. This is kinda what I was getting at. Actually, I thought they were going to vote on the debt ceiling tomorrow after the HCR vote. Otherwise they were going to have to come in next week. But in either case, I don’t think that there is really going to be any substantive debate on that. Either they raise the debt limit or the US is in default, right?

On December 23rd, 2009 at 11:15 am, John Deaux said:
Supposedly McConnell got Reid to agree to debate raising the debt ceiling as soon as Congress gets back on 1/20 in exchange for the earlier vote.

Hey JD,

Debate will never happen on the debt ceiling. Throw it under the bus with the debate on health care (with the blessing of repubs).

That has the potential to be very embarrassing for the Dems

Dems (and repubs) are not embarrassed by much these days so, I doubt that too.

On December 23rd, 2009 at 9:19 am, chapoutier said:

Prompting what, exactly? The vote on the debt limit increase?

The vote on debt limit increase. Is it not SanFranNan wanting to uncrease this limit to $1.8 trillion?

Come into the light Chap. While I gather you to be a bit on the liberal side, I always thought you to be a reasonable voice of reason which qualifies you for entry into the club!