The myth of the poor, oppressed jihadist
The Independent of London has a piece up today on the wealthy, pampered lifestyle of would-be Christmas Day bomber Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab.
The Nigerian elite enginnering student studied at one of Britain’s leading universities, “lived a gilded life” and “stayed in a £2m flat.”
The Independent says Abdulmatallab’s privileged status is “surprising” — “a very different background to many of the other al-Qa’ida recruits who opt for martyrdom.”
Actually, there’s nothing surprising about it. The only surprise is that so many supposedly informed people — from British journalists to our own commander-in-chief — continue to perpetuate the myth of the poor, oppressed jihadist.
Abdulmutallab isn’t the first terrorist admitted to a Western institution of higher learning who spread fundamentalist Islam on campus.
*Al Qaeda mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed enrolled at tiny Chowan College in Murfreesburo, N.C., which had dropped its English requirements to attract–ahem–wealthy Middle Easterners. At Chowan, Mohammed bonded with other Arab Muslim foreign students known as “The Mullahs” for their religious zeal. Mohammed then transferred to North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University, where he earned his degree in mechanical engineering along with 30 other Muslims. Mohammed applied his Western learning to oversee the 1993 World Trade Center bombing plot (six Americans dead), the U.S.S. Cole attack (17 American soldiers dead), and the September 11 attacks (3,000 dead). He has also been linked to the 1998 African-embassy bombings (212 dead, including 12 Americans), the plot to kill the pope, the murder of American journalist Daniel Pearl, and the Bali nightclub bomb blast that killed nearly 200 tourists, including two more Americans.
(See “How Khalid Learned His ABCs,” NRO, Marc h 3, 2003)
*Ayman al-Zawahiri didn’t need more education or wealth to steer him away from Islamic imperialism and working toward a worldwide caliphate. He had a medical degree. So did former Hamas biggie Abdel Rantissi.
*Seven upper-middle-class jihadi doctors were implicated in the 2007 London/Glasgow bombings.
*Suspected al Qaeda scientist Affia Siddiqui, is a Pakistani who studied microbiology at MIT and did graduate work in neurology at Brandeis.
* Osama bin Laden did a summer school stint at Oxford.
* 9/11 lead hijacker Mohammed Atta went to Hamburg University to study urban planning.
*British-born Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, a London School of Economics graduate, was convicted of abducting and murdering American journalist Daniel Pearl.
As I noted last summer, Barack Obama clings, like so many willfully blind, to the myth of the poor, oppressed jihadist in the face of years and years of contrary evidence. The “essence” of the 9/11 “tragedy,” he wrote days after that attack, “grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.”
This woeful misdiagnosis allows the apologist to treat deliberate, carefully planned evil acts of the long-waged Islamic war on the West as responses to social injustice.
Isn’t it time, once and for all, to banish the jihadi-as-victim canard to the trash bin of deadly dhimmitude?
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very amusing, and always brings to mind the double standard that if I lived in a trailer park while strung out on drugs or alchohol, and I decided to vandalize the local dnc headquarters, the msm would call it an act of homegrown terrorism from extremist right wingers.
Poor, Muslim peasants with no hope for the future, blowing themselves up for a pension for their families.
Yea, right.
Until we stop letting them in, nothing will change. All the wars in the MEwill not change them.
They don’t belong here.
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Usama Bin Ladin is a rich engineer. This latest Jihadi is from a rich family and is also an engineer.
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This is 7th. century religious warfare–not some “poor people looking for a better life” stuff. This war has been on and off for 1400 years.
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You can not win by “sugar coating” the truth. Identify the enemy and kill him–or die.
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These sick people are giving engineers a bad name!
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John Bibb
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The Fort Hood terrorist that killed 14 is a Dr. Do not give me the ‘poor’ terrorist thing, it won’t work. These people just want to kill as many people as they can. I am thankful God saw to it that bomb thing did not go off.
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As far as I am concerned the following formula works:
Islam = terror
I doesn’t take much knowledge of history to put the two together.
Uh, that would mean getting serious about the threat, and would be directly contradictory to our current politically correct, touchy-feely manner of dealing with anything Mooselimb.
Simple, accurate. Works for me.
I still think by and large the majority of Islamic terrorists and militants are poor, uneducated and fanatical. Sure the financiers and planners are smart and wealthy, but most of the foot soldiers are poor with no earthly reasons to live. So they being uneducated are much more prone to be whipped up by religious zealoutry, especially aided by the slanted Arab media. And of course this isn’t the case 100% of the time, and I’m not making excuses for them.
Is it possible that he wanted to be caught and sent to a Western prison to educate others?
Probably so, but I think they would be mostly local. To hire and train terrorists to operate against Western countries, like the U.S., you need people with education and money. That gives them access.
I hope someone is taking notice that all the terrorists grow up as silver-spoon “children of privilege”….
This is the statement of an ignorant fool.
My wife and her family lived on less than $1200 a year in the Philippines. They lived in a tin-roofed shack without running water or refrigeration in the house.
These people rose early every morning and praised God, embodied by Christ on earth, then went about their day with busy and industrious hands. Poverty does not equate desperation or lack of love or hatred.
“No Earthly reasons to live?” Islam is intollerant of ALL religeons but Islam. Infidels are deserving of death. As soon as people understand this, the better you can deal with the fact that this IS A WAR AGAINST MOSLEMS. Period. End of story.
Michelle, this is one of Richard Miniter’s myths in his book “Disinformation”. The Obamas of the world know full well the truth behind this myth, but it doesn’t fit their agenda of social justice. Facts mean absolutely nothing to progressives.
Not for the would-be dhimmis, no.
This the mantra of the leftist, the Marxist, the Black Liberation Theologian:
Wealth redistribution.
It goes to show that well-educated individuals can be the most foolish people in the world as well as the most dangerous people in the world. Let’s hope the next time a jihadist stores explosives in his underwear that it will explode long before he gets on a plane, preferably when he’s with a group of fellow jihadists.
Yes, Cicero, I agree somewhat. In that religion is an esape for them. It’s a persons ways of coping with the realities of life. They can cope well and fine like the Phillipinos you referenced, or cope disastrously like the Islamic fundamentals. I do disagree that we’re at war with Islam. I know so many good Muslims, even in the military. We’re at war with a strain. Like the flu or cancer. Their culture has some reforming to do.
Fox is reporting that another Nigerian has locked himself in a plane’s bathroom at Detroit. I believe it, too, came from Amsterdam.
Quote messed up but hey…
The segment of the populace with the most to live for according to our standards seems to be the most willing to kill themselves.
Given the flight’s destination one would think there were other Muslims on the flight. Obviously, these people have no problem butchering inncocent people of their supposed own faith. Any religious faith has to be pretty sick to ratinalize something like that.
That’s is why it is hard for me to lump these people in with Muslims. They are just a mutated form of humanity that should just be erradicated like any other infestation.
You are wrong. Just because the violent vanguard of Islam is willing to sacrifice muslim expendables while they are mass murdering infidels does not mean the expendables represent the ‘real’ Islam.
Those expendables support the advance of Islam. Those expendables support the imposition of shariah law on the rest of us.
Wake up, Flyoverman. The problem is much bigger than you want to believe.
Check under your bed Roland. One of them may be hiding there.
Whatever you say, Janet.
“Everyone has the right to their opinion. But no one has the right to be taken seriously.” — Will Rogers
Flyoverman, Will Rogers was correct. I do not have the right for you to take me seriously.
Get back to me when you finally decide to take seriouslyy the opinions of those of us who do not consider Islam to be a religion of peace.
But its a peace loving religion….
Peace loving for many clerics, who sit back, gather power and money, and send the “useful idiots” out to do their bidding.
I am ready to run them all out of here. They can not exists in our society. Go back to your middle aged crap world. And learn how to bath and not stink.
Where do people think Mujahideen come from? They’re not poor, in most cases they paid for their ticket to where they fought whether Chechnya, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq or the Horn of Africa. Then they armed themselves and put very sophisticated educations in Chemistry, Engineering and other professions to work in developing and deploying an amazing number of creative ways to kill their fellow man. Everything from command detonated IEDs to various suicide IEDs. Most of the people at Guantanamo aren’t poor or downtrodden by anyone’s measure even Americans, except in their minds.
Flyoverman is correct in his assessment. These jihadis who usually claim to be Mujahideen are not true muslims, but rather people who are using the religion as an excuse and a cause celebre to not only cow us here in the West but to do so to those of their alleged brethren who choose not to follow their ways.
Why is poverty suddenly the automatic cause of terrorism? I seem to recall the Red Brigade terrorists being from the most elite class of Italy in the 1970s and 1980s. Wasn’t Germany’s Bader-Meinhof Gang of the same era also populated by children of wealthy industrialists? Aren’t the Ivy League schools crammed to the gills with our own radical children of America’s elite?
A specious argument. Only a few Japanese were Shinto, only a few Germans were Nazis, and only a few Russians were Communists. We were still at war with the entire populace. Probably the vast majority of the millions of Arabs/Muslims who cheered the destruction of the WTC were just average man-on-the-street Muslims, but they are still our enemies.
10% of the Soviets were in the communist party.
They controlled the other 90% with death squads, the AVH in Hungary.
On December 27th, 2009 at 4:58 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
Yes to both statements both Brigadi Rossi, Baader-Meinhof members were middle class to upper middle class. You should also add the Black Septembrists and the PLFP all recruited extensively from the middle and upper classes of their societies.
As you say, domestic terrorists like William Ayres, and other members of the Weather Underground, Symbionese Liberation Army, Black Panthers and a host of other US domestic terror organizations were made up of educated middle and upper middle class members.
Poor, hungry people don’t have time to consider terrorism, except when large sums of money or ‘eternal care’ for their family is offered. They’re too busy trying to survive to care about politics. The very wealthy and the other ‘leisure’ classes have the time and the resources to pursue radicalism and techniques to empower that radicalism.
The mistake that most people make is in thinking that the enemy is a large national, international or religious cohesive group. If that were truly so, then they wouldn’t have to resort to terrorism. Terrorism is that tactic of the small and weak. If you read any of the classical literature on insurgency warfare you will note that terrorism is not a successful long term strategy, merely a tactic to be used until you can gain enough of a following and support to begin more conventional insurgency tactics. Right now, what we’re dealing with is a relatively tiny (say ten to twenty million out of 1.5 billion people)group of people who are in the leisure classes, who have several radical agendas that they seek to build a larger movement around. They’ve chosen to use a religion that can be very malleable to their objectives and that they believe would give them the power to advance their causes. But, note the plurals here. Multiple groups, multiple agendas, multiple causes all seeking the support of this larger group. A group that is quite used to being ‘sheep’ and conditioned by centuries to follow the herd and the shepherd around. These terrorists would like to become the shepherd and in some cases like Iran this has happened although the sheep have become restive as sometimes sheep fearing another power are wont to do.
Just as you don’t kill flies with atom bombs or even JDAMs you must kill these vermin in a surgical, methodical way that also assures that the breeding grounds no longer yield more flies. Fly swatters help in areas of low infestation, but a campaign that eliminates their sources of food and breeding grounds is the only way to stop them. These terrorists breed through association and social intercourse with people who infect them with the various agendas, causes and rationales. They feed on a desire for power and the power that they can gain by manipulating others. Manipulation is accomplished by keeping the target group ignorant of anything that is not directed toward the objectives and desires of the terrorists. So the answer is to identify the leadership, isolate the leaders and their lieutenants from the vast majority, then to destroy them by fire and manuever. Preferably with the people in the targeted group to reinforce that the sheep are the wolves in a turn of the tables.
Sounds to me like he’ll be someones president someday.
Must be something rotten in hAmsterdam.
In addition to all of those excellent points, it has proven to be very effective to kill the people at the top and those who rise to replace them. It keeps them disorganized and floundering until that moment when they have run out of the original charismatic crowd that gave them life in the first place. They eventually are replaced by fanatic acolytes who substitute rabid fanaticism for charisma.
These terrorists have a very flat and scattered cellular organization. It’s like a fabric. They are only effective when they can coordinate events so that it forms a political narrative. When the fanatics replace the charismatics, the whole thing breaks down with internal power struggles while followers scatter preferring survival than being sitting ducks in Somalian, Nigeria or wherever.
It’s all about identifying, locating and killing the top people. We seem to be doing that.
One more thing. The Italian mob in America used to be headed by men whose business acumen rivaled that of the top business managers in the biggest corporations. But as our law enforcement agencies succeeded in arresting or killing the top people, the discipline broke down. Squealers abounded and took everything down since no one saw any honor in falling on a sword to protect the gavones who now ran things (badly).
We can defeat these Islamic terrorists the same way. If they have the backing of a government or other large entity, that is war and you then boldly cross the border to bomb strategic economic targets. Otherwise, covert rifle shots.
Don’t forget that they have an international training, excercise and propaganda tool known as the Koran/Quran, so it’s easy to recruit from simple people that have big chips on their shoulders.
CIA used to do stuff like this. But now Obama’s putting them out of business.
No one doubts that they are motivated but the Koran is not exactly a handbook on how to run an effective insurgency campaign. It gets progressively difficult to recruit when your top guys, the charismatic stars, keep getting killed only to be replaced by uninspiring unknowns.
These guys can and will be defeated but it takes a lot longer when our government won’t make clear whose side they are on. Has anyone heard a word from Obama yet? Exactly. That is very creepy.
On December 27th, 2009 at 6:09 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
I agree with your points one and all. But what we’re not doing such a good job of, is using the different factions against each other. Set the Wahabbis against the Hannafis, the Shi’a against both. What the MSM isn’t telling you is that in Afghanistan the Taliban oppresses the Shia there just as in Iraq the Shia are now oppressing the Sunni. We need to set them one against the other so they have no time or resources to act against us.
It’s easier to do than one might think.
We can also use these divides to bind the various other sects, tribes and groups to us.
We also have to overcome the fear and trepidation created by our European ‘allies’ over the course of a century or two through their wonderful colonial governments.
Ssnark and Phil, of course we should go after the leaders. That is how we get the upper hand and control the ongoing damage. That is how we win battles in the clash between western civilization and islamic barbarism.
However, you can win every battle and still lose the war.
As long as we fail to recognize the aggressive barbarity at the core of Islam, right there in the Koran, in the life and teachings of their Prophet Muhammed whose words they believe are direct orders from Allah, we will not address the fundamental danger that will constantly be growing and generating new leaders to fight the next battle and the next and the next ……..
They are breeding faster than the rest of us. They are spreading throughout our society. They are using our freedoms against us, wielding our legal system like a club against any who try to resist. The most rapidly growing muslim sect in America is the wahhabists, the most aggressively anti-western.
They are not embracing our values when they wear our clothes or eat our food. They are embracing our values when they embrace the Constitution and our History and our concept of individual rights.
The ‘moderates’ are not embracing our Constitution. They demand that we embrace their values. They are demanding shariah law.
The danger is obvious. It puzzles me how you can fail to see it.
Perhaps you are just thinking of the next 5 to 10 years of struggle, and you figure the out years will just take care of themselves?
Roland, we can recognize the barbarity of Islam all we want but that does not translate into effective action on the ground. If you are saying that we should turn our side into a religious anti-Islamic jihad, you are stooping to their level of foolishness. Why replace reason and logic with emotional religious fervor when we have ALL of the advantages? They are the ones who have stoop to desperate tactics, not us. They are weak. We are strong.
It doesn’t matter that they breed like fruit flies. We have long excelled despite being less than 4% of the world’s population. Cortez was outnumbered in Mexico too. So were the indigenous tribes in what is now America. The Islamists can’t win.
If you are concerned that they will soon radicalize America, get real. Talk to the Japanese men who returned to Japan leaving their wives and children behind. You can’t live here for long before the alluring superiority of our culture defeats even the most insistent of radicals from passing their inferior cultures forward through their children. My parents generation always bemoaned how my generation “lost” our French-Canadian heritage when we started speaking English. It’s the American story. We are hardly in a desperate situation.
I don’t know what it is that you think I don’t see. I have plenty of faith in the Americans who make this country work. Maybe you don’t. My side has stood the government on its head while sputtering that America has lost its way and mouthing complaints about how the new Senators don’t know their place. Senate collegiality and all that.
Tea Party people (like me) now outnumber Democrats and Republicans and have more and more people finding empowerment through online news sites and blogs like this one. We are winning! Try to enjoy it while it’s happening. Otherwise you will find yourself making up stories about how exhilarating it for being unwilling to imagine winning when it wasn’t a sure thing.
I’m not sure I would know if we were playing them all off against each other. Where would it get reported? There seems to be plenty of discord in Afghanistan and Pakistan between many tribal factions themselves and further with their “governments”. Rather than relying on premasticated reports, I tend to try to infer what events and incidents imply about what is really going on. Easier to accomplish with nations than scattered tribes.
On December 27th, 2009 at 7:21 pm, Roland said:
It’s a long road from where things are now to where they may go. Among the things to consider is that radical islam isn’t the same as moderate islam and not every muslim wants much less demands that we embrace their values. The muslims on NWA Flight 253 did not join the terrorist, while it is hard to say exactly, but it appears many helped the flight crew extinguish the fire and to ‘escort’ the terrorist to where he was held till they landed. Remember that this particular flight from Amsterdam to Detroit is a leg to and from the Middle East from Middle America. Most of those aboard were what many people here seem to believe true, should have cried Allahu Akhbar! and forced the jet down. The facts speak against the idea that all Muslims are Jihadis. Things can change. No longer is the barbarism that characterized the 100 years war or the 30 years war true of Christendom. Neither should it necessarily be true of Islam. There is violence and much more in our bible too, yet we do not emphasize that although not too long ago it was as much a part of Christendom as it is of Islam today.
As long as political correctness rules our military, and our national defense (made disgustingly clear in the recent massacre on American soil of our soldiers by jihadist Nidal Hasan) we will continue to be slaughtered like sheep. President sbw999 would do the following tomorrow:
1. Commence an investigation into why the intel on this Nigerian jihadist did not result in this person’s visa being revoked, and his name appearing on no-fly lists, at the very least. Immediately discharge anybody who had a hand in ignoring this intelligence. Same thing with the Hasan massacre: all those responsible for ignoring the obvious threat would be dishonorably discharged. If civilian, then immediately fired with forfeiture of pension and all other benefits.
2. All mosques in the US shall be monitored electronically for speech designed to incite violence and jihad. No language other than English shall be spoken in Mosques. Any Mosques that refuse shall be shut down. Anybody convicted of inciting people to jihad, shall considered to have committed treason against the US, and be sentenced to a minimum of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.
3. Immediately instate a rational system of profiling of all passengers on domestic and international flights, meaning resources are concentrated in detecting threats from people of the Muslim faith. When Christians or Jews start flying planes into buildings, and beading people in the name of their God, we will also turn our attention to them as well. Until then, concentrate efforts to the people that are actually committing terrorist acts.
3. Seal our borders by completing the fence and moving the military to the border.
4. Reinstate the interrogation methods that were so successful under the Bush administration. Give absolute immunity to anybody implementing such methods from prosecution, so long as they are following those methods.
5. Order that no jihadists have access to American Courts, nor shall they be allowed rights under the US Constitution. All adjudications shall be by military tribunal.
6. Airlines, and their employees shall be allowed qualified immunity from civil lawsuits (or criminal prosecution) if they act in good faith to protect passengers, and themselves. No more IMAMS inciting their own arrest, and then being allowed to become rich by shaking down airlines for damages.
7. Provide for a reward of $5million to anybody providing info to law enforcement leading to the arrest, prosecution, and conviction (or other dispositive action) of people planning terrorist acts against the US.
Is there a politician with balls enough to propose these immediate measures to protect American lives?
Soooooo …. you are saying “Hey, we are America, so we cannot possibly be defeated by a mere 1,400,000,000 (and rapidly growing) followers of a war cult, you poor, pessimistic fool!”
I will remind you of the elections in 2006 and 2008, Phil. Today’s American Voter you are basing your enthusiasm on has all of the wisdom and character of a brain damaged dodo bird.
Are you completely unaware of what is happening in Europe?
No one here has ever said that is the kind of thing the ‘moderate’ muslims would do. No one.
You are failing to address what I am saying, putting up a straw man argument instead (I do not think you realize you are doing that). Islam generates the terrorists by the nature of what Islam is. That does not mean everyone who grows up in Islam is destined to be a terrorist.
Also, although people have done horrible and intolerant things in the name of Christianity, Christianity was never the same as Islam is today. Christianity was always based on the life and death of a sacrificial lamb while Islam was founded by a mass murdering warlord.
There is a slight difference there.
As I said, I am puzzled by your inability to see the danger. But then I have always been puzzled by people being unable to see the advance of Islam.
Back in the early 1970′s I had a poli sci professor from Lebanon who was very proud of Lebanon and its ability to avoid being drawn into the warring there. She was totally confident it would stay that way.
I don’t think she liked me. I wonder if she even remembers what I said.
On December 27th, 2009 at 8:43 pm, Roland said:
Islam isn’t what generates terrorism by its nature. Terrorism is the tactic of the weak and the few. Islam might be arguably weak but by no means few. The deal here is not to die nobly and bravely at Roncesvilles outnumbered and outfought. It is instead to understand that you have a small group that is using the religion because it can be, easily manipulated just as its founder did in his time. Disrupting that usage. In other words know exactly who the enemy are and it isn’t islam per se but rather the people who are using islam because the changes that are occurring to the people they wish to control break down those controls. By demonizing islam you set up your own straw man that isn’t actually straw. It was the mistake of the liege of your nym sake and leads to the same end.
Fight smart. Identify your enemy, isolate them from their potential support, destroy them. Time is on our side if we let Western culture do its work. Islam today will be unrecognizable to a Muslim of twenty years from now. The other benefit is, that we will not have to burn up our resources fighting 1.5 billion members of humanity when we’ll need every single resource we can muster to stave off a very real threat of multi-dimensional (economic, political, cultural and perhaps physical) warfare from China now and in the near future. In fact, it might be useful to have a goodly part of them also fighting China.
BTW, the US played a role during the Carter administration in Lebanon’s going down the tubes. It wasn’t Islam or Muslims it was another US abandonment with a few side deals cut by Mr. Jimmy.
Pres Obama and his mates might just take this as another reason to soak the rich — since that is the source of so much terrorism, nowadays.
So my professor told me 36 years ago. Today Islam is more virulent and ascendant, not less. And Jimmy Carter thinking is more prevalent in the West, not less.
And, no, I do not think we should “declare war on Islam,” or that China is not a major threat, too.
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I made very specific statements citing very specific information using very parsable logic. Is that your best answer? American voters, sick of the Assistant Democratic Party cramming Ted Kennedy programs like “No Child Left Behind”, SCHIP, MediCare Advantage, the new Medicare drug entitlement and in between two efforts to cram amnesty down our throats, decide to throw the bums out and so they are stupid? QED? That’s it? What makes you think YOU are so smart?
So give me a direct answer this time. What exactly does your advanced “appreciation of the evil of Islam” that us droogs are incapable of understanding suggest to you that we should be doing beyond what ssnark, jangar and I have said? More screeching at the top of our lungs? Using crucifixes for bayonets and killing all Muslims in sight? Enlighten us morons. Please.
I’ve read all of Bernard Lewis’ books on this as well as Mark Steyn, Pat Buchanan, and many others so spare me the condescending BS about failing to understand the threat of Islam. You need to translate your defeatist, panicky, and condescending analysis into a specific course of action.
Phil, as I stated above, I do not think we should “declare war on Islam.” There are many different levels of caution between where we are now and total war.
We shouldn’t be inviting them to live here.
If Islam is no different than Christianity, as Ssnark seems to think, then why not?
Roland, I didn’t ask you what you didn’t say, I asked you to specify exactly what you are saying we should be doing.
Uh, that is exactly what I did:
Then I pointed out this position would be in disagreement with Ssnark, whom you seem to think is in agreement with you.
It’s interesting how often the “elites” are the ones so fanatically devoted to totalitarianism.
Must be because they and their families/cronies are the ones who would most benefit from it. I mean, William Ayers wasn’t a leading advocate for communist revolution in the US just so he could be a lowly proletariat drone.
Nope, no doubt he imagined himself the Dear Leader in the crassest Castroist (or Maoist, or Ho Chi Minh-ist, or whatever the current fashion was) sense.
They all do, really. Dictatorship is fabulous for the dictator. That’s why so many of our self-described “superiors” are trying so hard to make it happen.
And there is more than what Michelle mentioned. Yasser Arafat, the archterrorist who, among other things, organized the murder of US Ambassador to Sudan Cleo Noel, grew up being pampered in Egypt and Arafat spent years lallygagging at the Cairo University where he studied engineering. The late George Habash, an archterrorist from the PFLP (the PFLP took the credit for the murder of Leon Klinghopper) was a medical doctor from a well do to family. It is amazing that the Republicans did not use effectively the infamous Sept. 2001 oped in the Chicago newspapers written by Obama. He called for Americans to try to understand why people do things to us Americans that we might not like. Imagine, it is only a few days after 9/11 and already Obama was, for all practical purposes, blaming US policies for 9/11 and calling for Americans to “understand” Al Queda and the Taliban.
Wow. Drudge just posted this video of a drunk Senator Baucus babbling incoherently on the Senate floor.
On December 27th, 2009 at 9:43 pm, Roland said:
Have you chosen carefully which of the hills you and Durandel would like to make your last stand upon.
Personally, yes, I’d like my friend who is like a brother to me to come home to the US where his wife, son and daughter await the end of service with one of our intelligence branches. His son converted to Christianity I might add when he married a preacher’s daughter. It didn’t phase my friend a bit. He says there are many paths to paradise/heaven/FITB.
I’d like to see a couple of other Muslim comrades return safe as well from deployments and maybe see their retirement. I don’t want them to have to justify themselves to you or anyone else. They love the US as much as anyone. The former didn’t need to go but felt it was his duty to his country, the others were serving back in the 90′s and should retire soon having done more than many for the right to call this their home and to practice their religion as they see fit. They feel betrayed by the Maj. Malik Hasan’s and others just like any other American and maybe more so, because it means they have to prove they’re loyal Americans all the time. Yep ‘they’ live here, and so do Jews and Satanists and Wiccans. They fight for our country, your country, their country and my country. The United States of America they’ve become citizens raised families here and are as American as anyone else. If we exclude them, should we also exclude blacks, hispanics, hey maybe it should be mongols! There aren’t a lot of them and some of them might be muslims too or worse yet been raised under communism. Yeah maybe the Mongols next. How about the Serbs? or maybe the Croats. Which ethnic, racial or other group with a tradition of violence should we eject after all the Muslims?
Foolishness! There are good and bad in any group. But the good outweigh the bad. At least that’s been my observation. Now, you seem all hot and bothered to deny our way of life to those who want it and have immigrated here legally. What right do you have to say who gets to live here? Is it the same right that got my neighbor thrown into Manzanar Concentration Camp because he was Japanese? Did people like you try to throw out everyone of German ancestry during WWII or WWI because they were the enemy? If it didn’t make sense then why does it make sense now?
Yeah you sure told me. If we “stop inviting Muslims to live here”, terrorism will end. Oooookaaaaay. So gobsmackingly obvious, why didn’t the rest think of that?
That’s right, Phil. I clearly stated the way to eliminate all terrorism is to stop inviting them to live here. Not.
Thanks, Phil. You always seemed to be a clueless, pompous jerk whenever we would argue about third parties and/or voting for McCain to stop Obama, but I could never be sure if that was really you, or if it was just your passion about the issue.
Now it’s clear. You really are a clueless, pompous jerk.
Have a Happy New Year!
Forgot to mention the neighbor (current) working for one of our intelligence services is Muslim and that my neighbor who was incarcerated in Manzanar served in the 442nd Inf. Regt. and was my neighbor when I was growing up and one of many reasons I joined the Army.
And apparently you are just as much a clueless, pompous jerk as Phil is.
I talk about barring people because of their beliefs and ideology that come wedded to the Islamic religion, and so you accuse me of racism.
I’ve wasted enough time on you two.
You have a happy New Year, too, Ssnark.
When people worship a false god like allah the moon god, hate gets into their hearts. Just like Mohammed. We all know what he did in his life.
ROPMA! It will not be long before we see another example of allah worship.
Well Phil,
These nice people here may not have written it, but I sure as H### will. Stop allowing Muslims into this country. Full stop.
Search every Mosque for hate speech. If found, all cell phones, and CPU checked. Imam/s investigated. That is to start with.
Islam is not a race; Therefore, I can not be racist. Stupid!
Oh Yea! I’m the bad guy! Was it me that just tried to blow up a plane?
BTW, Screw CAIR. They know they are the enemy of this country.
On December 27th, 2009 at 10:19 pm, Roland said:
Well, I can think of worse company.
I accuse you of nothing.
Isn’t discriminating against religion as bad if not worse (considering there’s a First Amendment and it took several more to get around to race (Fourteenth Amendment IIRC).
Or do you even believe in the US Constitution at all?
I’m sorry you think that way.
Roland, I shall have a happy new year. I’m looking forward to working to advance the ideals that the Tea Party movement is attempting to revive in our great country and hope that a better class of people will run for office in the coming year. I also look forward to pinning the first three ribbons on my son’s chest as he graduates Army BCT this February and at the end of the year will probably see him off to his first deployment to a combat zone. Sort of passing the baton so to speak.
I hope that you too will have a happy new year.
Kids! Want a recession proof career?
Go to law school with your focus on defending dirtbag terrorists!
Little travel, since they will be held in your neighborhood! All the security and benefits of a GOV job, since it IS ONE!
still waiting for the commie n chief to make a statement.
Financial industry-check
Auto industry-check
Health insurance industry-in the bag
Energy-pending
Airline industry-next up!
We won’t fall to socialism if we’re prospering- thanks barry!
My 70 year old blonde blue-eyed Mother had the hardest time flying on Christmas Day…so tell me, Montel; why don’t they ‘profile’ again?
Earlier this year; JaNo, our Homeland Security Czarina, claimed “returning vets joining militia groups were the greatest risk to America.”
In light of the Hassan terrorist massacre at Fort Hood and now, Abdul’s NWA failed attempt to down a jet over Detroit (terrorism that failed due to nothing but sheer luck), ya think the Obama regime have their “eyes focused like lazer beams” on the wrong targets…hmm?
Race and Class victimization are Holy Writ to Hussein Obama and his entire administration and to the Left in general. Yes they are lying-lying for the Greater Good of the Revolution is no sin to these people.
If that explosive device had of brought down the plane Napolitano and her Homeland Security Klowns would have scoured the passenger list for a Veteran, Christian-etc to blame. Now we wait for the government to use this case for ever more draconian control over America.
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HI SBW999–#51. Good list of what a rational security policy would look like.
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Maybe President Sarah Palin could use you to replace Janet Napolitano when she wins in 2012. I could not believe that this clueless clown stated that “the system worked properly”! EPIC FAIL by State Department and TSA / Homeland “Security”. The only thing that didn’t work for the terrorist was his bomb design.
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It must be the fault of the evil BOOOSH and CHANEY. Let’s persecute some more CIA agents to fix our security problems. Or set up a new 10,000 employee branch of our State Department to handle tips from fathers of terrorists.
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John Bibb
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Errah, doesn’t CIA need to Mirandize anyone before they bust a cap in their useless asz??!!
Errah, perhaps Big Sis is to busy watching veterans and cops to care about foreign threats coming from abroad. To their credit it has been close to 365 days that the Obama Administration has thwarted terrorism from home grown sources such as militia and retired military and police officers.
Breaking News of Fox:
Jihadist’s court hearing postponed. Somebody look for Holder.
Obama is expected to make a statement today. This is day #4. When was the last time we heard nothing from this clown for these many days in a row?
Errah, he’s busy looking for his birth certificate and a translator . . .
Yep, my pipe dream. It will never happen which is a shame.
I keep waiting for the media to do their thing with the semantics of the moment, but so far nothing. For the last eight years they have referred to that goofy looking idiot, Richard Reid, as the “shoe bomber”. He earned the name. Semtex inner soles in your Air Jordans gets you a new designation. Abdul Abdulmutallah must now be referred to as the “panty bomber”. When you sew C-4 into your knickers and attempt to detonate it by lighting your johnson, you earn the right to an appropriate name in the annals of history. So, from now on he will be the panty bomber. And when the next muslim hero packs that stuff in an even more secretive place, we can give him an even more novel moniker. What a manly bunch these mosque roaches are!
Did you get that from MSNBC’s mission statement?
On December 28th, 2009 at 12:29 pm, John Deaux said:
LOL! It could be couldn’t it?
Actually I’m paraphrasing something I learned about thirty years ago at the JFKSWC