Sunday open thread
Busy with family. Talk amongst yourselves.
Bonus fun fact: This week’s NYT political best seller list is still topped by conservatives/libertarians:
POLI-BOOKS BEST SELLER LIST
Based on sales for weeks ending Dec. 26 through Jan. 16, 2010
1. Going Rogue, by Sarah Palin. (Harper/HarperCollins, $28.99.) A memoir by the former Alaska governor and vice-presidential candidate.
4. Arguing With Idiots, written and edited by Glenn Beck, Kevin Balfe and others. (Mercury Radio Arts/Threshold Editions, $29.99.) Making the case against big government.
10. Liberty And Tyranny, by Mark R. Levin. (Threshold Editions, $25.) A conservative manifesto from a talk-show host and president of Landmark Legal Foundation.
14. Culture Of Corruption, by Michelle Malkin. (Regnery, $27.95.) President Obama and what the conservative author claims is his team of tax cheats, petty crooks, influence peddlers and Wall Street cronies.
Snort: “And what the conservative author claims…”
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No. It makes the clear case for intent. Until Reid and Obama were shamed by the MSM about the unseemliness of delaying Brown’s seating, they were “all fired and ready to go!” in moving to keep Kirk’s vote.
Wouldn’t it be cheaper to bury Michael Moore with the Nuke waste? Is nuclear waste fat soluble?
I personally was being a bit disingenuous there legally. But I could see that their only hope of passing health care if Brown won was by rushing it through with Kirk voting.
Legally I can make a strong argument either way. Kirk was there because they changed the law. The seat was supposed to be empty until the special election. However, typically the current senator serves until the new one is selected (but this was a special election and the authority of the appointed senator is questionable once there is an election).
That said, from a political standpoint, that would have been the end. If they had allowed Kirk to cast the 60th vote for a sweeping health care tax and spend proposal after they elected someone who would not vote that way, there would have been pitchforks and riots in the streets. . .
not only in Mass, but everywhere around the world.
But yes, I was being somewhat disingenuous because I knew that was their only chance at passing it. When I heard Webb say he wouldn’t support a quick vote, health care was dead and it was over.
I frequent New Haven, CT…where the local libtards’ Obama/Biden bumper stickers still have bumber stickers…EVERYWHERE.
In December, I took photos of an art gallery window in New Haven, where the highlighted Christmas Tree ornament was a picture of former Vice President Dick Cheney with a bloody bullet hole right between his eyes.
I still have the photo on my phone, and would like to send it directly to Michelle for posting.
“bury Michael Moore with the Nuke waste”
I think that is Stephen King’s next novel isn’t it?
It certainly is after you imagine the monster that would crawl out of that hole after eating the nuke waste.
“Women who are purportedly conservative also jump on the Palin bashing bandwagon for no good reason.”
I have yet to hear any conservative female talking head bash Palin the way the left’s female talking heads do. And then there’s the Hollywood types. Angie Harmon or Patricia Heaton have never said anything about any candidate the way Joy Beher or Whoppie Goldberg do.
Possibly. Or the other possibility is that he would mutate into a normal human being, which may be Moore frightening yet.
Now that would be an interesting switch. Sota like how annoying Spider Man is when he gives up his power to be “normal”?
Or that he turns into the Micheal J Fox character on Family Ties?
I guess you have never heard of Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, and Debra Saunders. They have all been highly critical of her.
Granted, they are fickle when it comes to conservatism, but they are right of center at least.
I personally do not like any of the three, but until Sarah can sit down and interview with non-Fox anchors and succeed, she can forget about any future offices.
You either misread my comment or ignored what I wrote. I am talking about comments on conservative blogs, such as this one, on Hot Air, etc…, not about “talking heads”. And revolution brought up a valid point regarding Parker, Noonan and other catty cons.
zyzzyg: I do not support socialism. Social security is forced personal responsibility as well as vote buying by the democrats.
Not necessarily services. How about politically correct incompetent appointees who wreck organizations with their mere presence.
No more quotas. No more pet projects such as bridges to nowhere. We have one proposed in SC by the “whip”. It is environmentally illegal, but when democrats propose such projects suddenly it is “for the people” and to “create jobs”.
Cut: The entire Department of Education for example. This was almost done in the late 90s, but Bill Clinton threatened to veto it.
Cut: The entire Department of Housing.
Cut: The EOC. There are more lawsuits within that organization than any other.
Discussing, not debating.
You mean like Oprah and Barbara Walters? They’re not anchors, but neither are Greta, Hannity and O’Reilly.
Ok, so I just watched Gibbs on Fox News Sunday. All I kept thinking was that someone needs to splice in Rosie O’Donnel saying ‘delusional’ after every sentence uttered by Gibbs.
The White House is completely disconnected from reality.
Bring lots of popcorn to this weeks State of the Union! It is gonna be a side-splitter!!
Yes critical. And the only “conservative” woman Noonan likes is Noonan. But the types of attacks from the left have been way more obscene and personal than the critics on the “right”.
I’ve never considered any of those three doing any favors for Republicans. They seem as wishy-washy as any RINO, and quite often seem to write so they can get noticed inside the Beltway, without regard to the damage they do.
Here’s a great example, albeit older, of the left’s mindset.
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/09/10/palin_feminism/
Revolution, if you have been reading here for a while, you should know that Kathleen Parker is hardly a conservative editorialist.
Point being— where are all the “feminists” who were screaming for a woman in the white house.
They were liars. They meant feminists who believe that a woman has the right to kill babies.
You may also recall that Noonan weht directly from working with Dan Rather (whom whe liked and respected) to writing speeches for Reagan. She was not nearly as taken by Reagan’s conservative values as his charisma…which is why she liked Obama as well.
Do you think black Americans whether they speak in a Negro dialect or not would have voted for Dr. Walter Williams just because he’s black and all the lip service about getting a black man in the Whitehouse?
We’re all in this together, JSM . We Bay Staters owe a great debt of thanks to everyone out there who lent a hand, a voice – or keyboard
– or gave a dollar or two (or more) to make the seemingly impossible possible.
And this is just one battle of many yet to come. My prayer is that we will work to build up those worthy candidates and not resort to tearing others apart (i.e. on a personal level). We need to focus on the issues, and where someone is wrong on a particular issue, focus on that, not mud slinging and name calling. We should be better than that.
For those who are voters in other states that are now getting a variant of all the voters in _____ are brain dead, you have my sympathy – and empathy. I hope you are able to pull off ‘miracles’ of your own in the coming elections.
As a MA transplant who supported Brown for the right reasons and has to suffer the endless “Californians are stupid” insults, thank you. We are going to win with Chuck Devore over McCain/Steele’s choice Carleton “Carly” Fiorina.
As in MA, it’s not about Republicans over Democrats in CA. It’s about defeating one-party tyranny. I noticed that no one flocked to the Republican Party in MA as they stampeded from the Dems. Same here. Same nationally. The GOP is offering no reason to embrace them.
Happy un-birthday to your g-daughter.
And good luck to whichever team you favor – since my team is out of it, I’m content to just watch and see what happens.
I’m kind of leaning toward Vikings solely for the chance to watch Favre & Co sing “Pants on the Ground” again.
It is interesting to me that McLame refused to attack Obama and forbid Mrs. Palin to attack Obama but even before JD Hayworth announced he was running McLame started running attack ads.
To me this says more than anything who and what McLame stands for. He is a DIABLO/RINO.
I am really sorry I got “waylaid” and unable to stay in this debate!! Reading the posts has me salivating to respond to some of them. Unfortunately, I had to take a little trip to the Urgent Care center. Seems as if the pneumonia is not quite healed yet. Very short of breath and dizzy. I am now on another regime of anitibiotics. This stuff is stubborn. However, I WILL LIVE, so I guess some of you will be happy to hear that and others, not so much!
I want to answer ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ and then I will have to sign off again for a while…
Yes
Yes
I could write a thesis on this, but I don’t think anyone wants to read it. Suffice it to say, many things can and should be cut!!
This issue should not be Federal. It should be voted on by the citizens.
I believe those leases come with amazingly strict and almost impossible restrictions.
France recycles theirs and it seems to work quite well.
I’m not up on that issue like I should be. But there is a solution, you can be sure!! We haven’t been given the chance.
Agree
Again, being specific would require a very large report. However, we all know of some Federal beauracracy that could be cut!!
Agree
What are you talking about? Traits that we are looking for in a candidate have nothing to do with the Constitution! Nor should they. Our candidate must follow the Constitution, but the traits needed to be a good leader are not listed in the Constitution. Your argument was really lame.
We’ll know one when we see one.
A process of investigation would need to be done and if the transgression is worthy of impeachment, then yes.
Seriously, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. I am not inclined to write a book on a blog. These conversations are for debate and discussion. Minute details would totally bog us down. Or is that your purpose???
Well, I certainly am tired of Obama’s tired old “I’ll fight for you” crap. But I believe our candidates will get into specifics as they go along. Conservatives are good at that. And, with a good solid conservative record, I think we will be able to choose wisely.
Now, I am sorry, but I really must leave for now.
“attack ads.”
You aint seen nutin yet.
You wait until the anti-border control folks get rolling for McCain and against Hayworth.
This primary will be a clear message about border control way more than conservative fiscal issues or health care. AZ is already against socialized medicine and and is for fiscal responsibility. It will be border control almost 100%. We don’t have the same issues here that were on the table in MA.
I think your original question was unclear; there were those on Beacon Hill – Mass Sec. of State Bill Galvin for one (or his office, which amounts to the same thing) – who early on were making noises about slowing down the process of certifying the vote if it looked like Brown was the winner. At one point they even said that it could be as late as February 20th before the vote would be certified.
That would, in effect, delay Brown’s swearing in, as the senate rules require (IIRC what chap posted from the senate rules) that the vote needs to be certified by the state’s Sec. of State before the winner can be sworn into office.
Hope that clears things up a bit.
Not at all. He supports each individual state crafting its own health care reform – if that’s what the voters of that state want. But he is against the federal government doing so. He has stated many times that he is for states’ rights, and limited interference from the federal government.
Anyone who says otherwise hasn’t been listening to what the man is saying – or they’ve been hearing only the sixty second sound-bites that make it seem like Brown is trying to push the Massachusetts system on the rest of the country.
And that just isn’t so.
js – So one has to ask why McAmnesty has been your senator since, I think, the civil war? I’m confused.
Since Phoenix is the “kidnapping for ransom” world capital, maybe McCain will get kidnapped with no one willing to pay the ransom.
Actually, I expect his poll numbers will be so weak once Hayworth gets into the Tea Party excitement that he will retire. That will have the same effect on the GOP as the Brown win had on the Dems. Let’s hope the GOP isn’t as obtuse as the Dems (“we haven’t been liberal enough”) have been. I don’t think it will matter. Brown, Hayworth, DeVore, Rubio, and who knows who else. Those are all RNC defeats and conservative victories. We won’t be denied.
That’s what I get for not reading all the replies first – you beat me to it – and with a link.
Good job, DBNinKY!
The boys at Hillbuzz.org need our support, the left is going after them HARD…
http://hillbuzz.org/2010/01/24/sunday-open-thread-january-24th-2010/
Also, another astroturf letter has come up…
http://www.leftcoastrebel.com/2010/01/ellie-light-and-white-house-via-riehl.html#comment-form
By the way, one more thing. While I think SS and Medicare should go, I think they should be phased out gradually. Too many people have come to totally depend on them. They need to have time to adjust to not having them! You can’t just cut them off cold turkey. But I believe there are better ways to plan for your old age! My husband and I would be o.k. without the SS, but the Medicare would be hard to do without at this time, as the alternative is unbelievably expensive.
w00t! Mine when for Brown too.
Last week they were reporting the previous week’s news – passed along from the mother-ship, the NY
TimesCrimes.“Phoenix is the “kidnapping for ransom” world capital”
That’s kinda settled down. Once a whole bunch of us put our mother-in-laws outside with signs “Kidnap me” on them the drug dudes figured the gig was up.
What you don’t want to be is a popular car in Yuma. If you are a Camry just count on being stolen and taken south of the border.
An interesting read for those with open minds…
On the upside Camrys are plentiful in Nogales, Agua Prieta and Los Algodones
“What a man rejects as distasteful must always be measured against what he is prepared eagerly to swallow.”
That is a great line.
Yes its good to be a Toyota repair man along the border of AZ and Mexico!
VDH is always worth reading.
NO!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/24/gop-jobs-economy-good-start-union-speech-obama-talk-compromise/
I drive a Camry. I’ll bet McCain knew that.
And another thing…. McCain’s wife support gay marriage is not real popular here in AZ. While we have a large population of folks that have made various choices about their sexuality, in general we do not support gay marriage.
Noticed how BHO-POTUS is always bashing Wall Street? Except for Robert Wolf, chief executive of UBS Group Americas.
Wolf met BHO in 12/2006 in the New York office of George Soros. Mr. Wolf was a newcomer to elite Democratic donor circles. Then-Sen. Obama, still months from launching his bid for the White House, was desperate to raise campaign cash on Wall Street.
A few weeks later, Mr. Wolf hosted New York’s first Obama fund-raiser. The event, at UBS’s Manhattan offices, drew nearly 200 people and raised $350,000 in three hours, Mr. Wolf says.
Lesson learned: Maybe we also need to get the visitor log of Soros’ office as well.
jsmiddleton4 you have no idea-or maybe you do-how hard it is for me to NOT make a real sick joke about that at McCain’s expense. I was raised right, I just turned out bad
JS,
I’m in AZ also. For the first time in my life I will register as an R so I con vote for JD. And yes, I believe it is going to get very very nasty here.
“I believe it is going to get very very nasty here.”
I bet it was part of what JD had to take into consideration in deciding to run. He can’t be surprised by it this time after his experience and loss the last. Will be interesting to see what Arpio does, endorses, even if either candidate looks for his backing.
I’d like to see more attention paid to it going in by MM or Redstate, etc. If only to disarm it ahead of time.
Unlikely to happen of course.
Same here in CA. We keep passing laws clarifying our belief that marriage is between a man and a woman but….
“Same here in CA.”
Just in terms of the chances of JD knocking McCain off in the primary. Cindy’s support, so publically and all, for gay marriage is not going to sit well with most of the folks here in AZ.
Me I don’t care. I think its one of those things that the state needs to stay out of. Sorry but there it is. If my church was going to perform a gay marriage, I’d be leaving that church. But in terms of the government…..
But in AZ, gay marriage is not popular. JD will have one up on McCain in that regard. Better on border control in all regards…
What makes you think Obama is especially smart? Do you know what his school grades were….or his IQ? Was he really a law professor?
Because he beat me in checkers.
I bet he cheated.
When you accept that leases are required before any drilling can occur, that leases are granted by the government, and that the policy of the government is lead by President, you can’t say that you want the President not to interfere in the free market.
There is no free market to drilling.
The government controls drilling leases. The government says when and where drilling can occur, or not occur. Companies cannot just go out and start drilling.
Possibly I am misunderstanding you. Are you suggesting that companies should be allowed to drill when ever and where ever they want?
The unfortunate reality is that there are rules and regulations, necessary rules and regulations. And yes, the less the government and the President involve themselves in the free market the better. But, to say no involvement is incorrect.
We are constantly being reminded that he is so smart. If he were so smart, it would be more obvious and there would not be the need to mentioned so often. Where’s his MENSA card? He can read a speech, but speeches don’t solve problems. He is nothing but empty words, pushing an agenda that no one wants except his progressive cronies.
“you can’t say that you want the President not to interfere in the free market”
Yes I can. In fact I’ll say it again. I don’t want the President to intefer with the free market.
“The government controls drilling leases.”
Yes and so what? That does not mean the President controls them. Environmental policy and the laws reflected of that policy are not written and passed by the President.
. . . Oh, THAT’s what the picture was for. I was certain that the ‘no h eight’ was for ‘no Haiti’ meaning she didn’t want to help the Haitians because she was racist. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
I thought it was strange that she wanted to hate on the Haitians after their devastation.
The word ‘delay’ isn’t even used in the article. As for ‘intent’, the only thing intended was that the law will be followed. That the required number of days will be used to allow for absentee votes to be counted and for the certification to happen.
Who was quoted saying ‘stall’? It wasn’t Reid, Obama, Kirk, Duvall, or the MA Sec of State. Who used the word ‘stall’? And, were they speculating about what others may or may not do?
OK. No worries.
Why would they talk about Tom Delay in an article about Sen. Brown?
zyzzy, the reason it was important was there was no ‘end date’ for Kirk’s senate seat. There wasn’t supposed to be an interim senator before they elected a new senator.
The issue wasn’t whether or not Brown could vote. The issue was whether or not Kirk could vote.
As it stands, with a ‘senator elect’, there are currently two people holding the senate seat that Kennedy won. Theoretically, Kirk could stay indefinitely if they wanted to because he didn’t have an ‘end’ to his term.
That’s where the problem comes in. The state legislature appointed Kirk after changing the law allowing them to do that as Kennedy’s dying wish. Was it legal for them to change the law? Well, they make the law. . . so in a since they are ‘above’ it.
The legal question is ‘when does Kirk not have a vote?’ Kirk was appointed to serve until someone was elected. Just because Brown wasn’t seated didn’t mean that Kirk could still vote. Brown didn’t have to be 41, he just couldn’t be 60.
“there are currently two people holding the senate seat that Kennedy won.”
I’m sorry but my understanding of the matter is that is incorrect. Kirk did not have the “seat” any longer once the election was over.
Obama’s most repeated word: “me”
His most repeated phrase: “Let me be clear”
His most repeated lie: “This is not about me!”
The issue of Kirk casting the 60th vote on Demcare is a dead issue. Kirk has already stated that he will not cast any more votes and enough Dem senators will not vote under that scenario. The only possibility left is to pass some diluted new bill later or try to go for reconciliation which the House is clearly not going along with.
ObamaCare is dead.
That’s the legal question. If they had pushed it through, that would have been the debate heard by the supreme court eventually. I would argue that he couldn’t vote as soon as the election was done. Reid was/is arguing that Kirk has all the voting rights that he always had.
That is the legal gray area and you can make a strong case either way.
JS,
How could you possibly lose to a guy who always moves left and never moves right?
OK. Recall that it is happysrcapper’s list that is being discussed. I agree with much of it and should such a politician express those veiws I believe it is incumbent upon them to be specific and consistent.
If you don’t like socialism, then it would make sense that you oppose Social Security.
OK. Then that politician running for office should be specific and say who they would cut, and what offices they would cut.
Absolutely. Which ever politician pushed those programs will not recieve your vote.
OK. Then a politician should standup and say that they will propose cutting the entire Dept of Education.
OK. Then a politician should standup and say that they will propose cutting the entire Dept of HUD.
OK. Then a politician should standup and say that they will propose cutting the entire EOC.
OK. Thank you.
“How could you possibly lose to a guy..”
See how smart he is!
This looks to be it. If Colts score again its over. Jets hold them they have a chance. Slim chance but chance.
Disgusting not debasing?
Debugging not delousing/
jsmiddleton4
Peyton is always going to figure out the defense. He might get confused early, but he’s so smart he will find the weaknesses and exploit every one of them. He gets the defense on a yo-yo.
I think the Superbowl is going to be awesome with Saints/Colts. Saints defense is hitting hard, and Bush is as good as any right now.
That does not necessarily follow.
Socialism is government control of the means of production. Social security in its most basic form is simply a requirement employees save money for their retirement in a risk free form of annuity.
One does not have to have any love of socialism to recognize the circumstance of the average worker regularly leads to their failure to make such preparations and to think the general welfare of Americans is best served by a regulation something along the lines of the social security requirement.
We know the general failure by most workers to adequately prepare for retirement is what happens in the real world. It was demonstrated for many, many years prior to the enactment of social security.
Most workers always have more pressing needs …. right up until they are starving because they can’t work any more.
You can argue the government gains some indirect control over the means of production when so much money is being used to buy treasuries, but you can make that kind of argument about any law or regulation.
Dehusing not degausing.
Not interested in you writing a book on a blog. Just acknowledging your list, that I agree with much of it, and how it can be improved.
For instance, it is not enough for a politician to say ‘no socialism’ without addressing Social Security, which is socialism.
Politicians can offer platitudes and red meat to their audiences, but they also have the responsibilty to spell out in detail ‘how’ they are going to do what they say. Many politicians write position papers. The details can and should be found there.
For example -
You say, a politician should cut taxes. That is fine and dandy up to a point.
I say, a politician should cut taxes and spending, and say specifically which taxes and spending they will cut.
OK, it will make your list a little bit longer, but it will not make it a book.
I don’t believe a candidate has to come from central casting. If an Elmer Fudd like candidate had the goods (policy), I would vote for them. Like you said traits have nothing to do with the Constitution (we agree), but everything to do with the age of television. I am not that shallow.
Get well, and I recommend chicken soup, it cures everything.
Elmer Fudd, a true Wepublican.
Roland,
Its a Ponzi scheme. I calculated how much a person who retired 25 years ago and paid in the maximum social security in his lifetime. This currently 90 year old patient who has been collecting social security and medicare benefits for 25 years gets paid more monthly than he paid in his lifetime.
Anyone else see the problem in this?
Not sure if anyone has said this yet…The reason we aren’t drilling in the already leased areas is because the EPA has placed such restrictions on drilling anywhere, it isn’t even feasable. Lease or no lease, if the environmental wackos are in charge, there will be no drilling. That is why they must be stopped!
NOW Obama is going to focus on jobs. He’s spent a year trying to destroy jobs and now that the people have smacked the crap out of him and his party over his year long jihad against business he’s going to do something about jobs. What a joke this Ivy League retard is.
Good, I was afraid you had read, “Winning Checkers Strategies” by Michael Steele.
Social security as it has actually been done is most definitely a Ponzi scheme and a form of welfare. It is quite sickening how government can and will take any idea however good and twist it into welfare, making citizens ever more dependent on government.
Big government is not just a ‘negative’ thing. It is the grossest form of the social manifestation of evil. It crushes freedom in the name of ‘doing good.’
It is ‘angels’ that were supposed to protect us enslaving us instead.
I thought we were discussing whether someone had actually said they were interested in delaying swearing in Sen Elect Brown. Do we agree that no one actually said they were interested in delaying swearing in Sen Elect Brown?
Why wouldn’t the end date and time for Kirk be the date and time when Brown is sworn in? And, if there wasn’t supposed to be an interim Senator then the law was violated.
Brown can’t vote until he is sworn in, correct? So, I agree with you there. I believe we discussed this on another thread, and we disagreed. I say Kirk should continue to vote until Brown is sworn in, you say he shouldn’t. I cannot convince you otherwise, and you cannot convince me otherwise. So be it.
Nope. Two people are not holding the seat. One guy is the ‘Senator’ and the other guy is the ‘Senator Elect’. Your words. One guy (Senator) can vote and the other guy (Senator-Elect) cannot vote. Kirk’s time as Senator ends when Brown’s time as Senator begins. That time, that moment, is when Brown takes the oath of office.
There is no problem. One guy is Senator, and the other is Senator-Elect. All that changes the moment the oath is taken.
Or, was Kirk appointed to serve until someone becomes the new Senator from MA? Which means that person has to be sworn in first.
When the MA legislature went through the machinations to change the law were they explicit about ending Kirk’s tenure with ‘election’ or ‘until someone assumes the office’ or ‘until the election is certified’? Note, you are not in office until you are sworn in.
I am not above being corrected, though I recall reading something to the effect of ‘election and qualification’ with regard to the MA law dealing with this issue.
Excuse me, but there were/are other sources and media outlets that reported the possibility of Brown being delayed his seat, not just the BG, and not all of them right leaning.
And think about it – why would Obama and Reid feel it necessary to explicitly state Brown would be seated before a vote on HC takes place, if this were all a phony argument? Remember: nearly all strawmen are made of hay grown from small grains of truth –
And if, as your assert, the question of delayed seating arose from the Brown campaign, why? The election was nearly over and they were winning.
Social Security is not socialism; if it were, one would not have to pay into the system to benefit from it.
The only problems I see are the assumptions about the 90 year old and the associated investment math.
It is where I live.
And no mining. You would not believe the number of mine closings and layoffs going on around here because EPA is sitting on their permits.
Why would anyone “trackback” to a Sunday Open Thread?
Just wondering.
David Plouffe?! Are they kidding?!
Since there’s no topic, I can’t be off topic today!
Was crusin’ the net and found this one. The times have changed, and so has the opposition…but the idea is the same.
I want to know where THAT United States of America went? Have we devolved that far???
http://www.archive.org/details/ItsEvery1945
Chief,
It is still here. The difference is within our population now we have a small, but vocal number of “citizens of the world.”
mmm mmm mmm
The best thing that could happen to Hayworth would be if Barack decides to put Obamacare on the back-burner, and tries to go pell-mell for Amnesty…something that would really put McCain on the spot in a way he doesn’t want.
Why do people act as though ending SocSec would have to be all at once?
Why can’t it be phased out? Those who currently draw it and those within X years of “retirement age” get full benefits. Then those down to within Y years of “retirement age” get it pro rated. Those younger than that get nothing.
So now McCain is advising Obama on re-introducing healthcare legislation. Tort reform, interstate competition, you know the rest. Same old McCain. Grandstanding with conservative principles when he is absolutely certain to lose. Keeps his ACU score high without accomplishing anything.
Why didn’t the GOP push for these changes when they were in charge? Oh yeah, it might have passed and McCain’s friends across the aisle wouldn’t have liked that.
There could be other sources but another poster provided a link to support the contention that delaying the swearing in of Brown was a reality. The linked article actually substantiated that the assertion about the delay was a strawman argument. It was speculation based on a guess wrapped in a false assignment of the motives of another.
Because it was a strawman statement. It was stated to set the agenda. To put the opposition on there heels. To force them to address it.
Small grains of truth based on that individuals paranoia, suspicions and facts not based on the evidence.
That is the Brown campaign’s question to answer. Why would they use a strawman? Are they paranoid?
You do know that a person collects more from Social(ism) Security than they put in? You do know that Social(ism) Security is not in the Constitution?
Since you mentioned HC, would that not be socialism because people would pay into it? And yes, there will be those that will benefit even if they don’t pay into the system. But, that is just like Social(ism) Security where people take out more than they put in.
Now the money question. If you support Social(ism) Security, do you also support social(ized) HC?
Socialism is socialism and by any other name it will always be and remain socialism.
“go pell-mell for Amnesty…something that would really put McCain on the spot in a way he doesn’t want.”
You mean Obama could throw McCain under the bus and Obama would avoid the chance to do so? That would be hard to imagine.
Social Security is not socialism.
So is our military socialism zy?
We do not need to start at the beginning of healthcare and do it right this time John McCain. We need to shut down the pursuit completely and focus on the recession.
1. Across the board tax cuts (like that ones you vote against, except in an election year)
2. Deregulation, reverse Sarbanes–Oxley.
3. Keep President Punk away from the banks.
4. Drive a nail into Cap and Tax
Are we over Papa Rhino yet? Retire John McCain!!!!!!! Retire!!!!!!
Hayworth! Hayworth! Hayworth!
I totally agree.