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		<title>By: Random Thoughts &#187; The SOTU, Sputnik and Soused Substitutes</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/25/stupid-education-fad-of-the-day-mayan-math/comment-page-2/#comment-1046056</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Thoughts &#187; The SOTU, Sputnik and Soused Substitutes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “drill and kill” — otherwise known as the basics — for costly educational fads ranging from “Mayan Math” to “Everyday Math” that substitute art, self-esteem and multiculturalism for the fundamentals [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] “drill and kill” — otherwise known as the basics — for costly educational fads ranging from “Mayan Math” to “Everyday Math” that substitute art, self-esteem and multiculturalism for the fundamentals [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Malkin &#187; Obama&#8217;s Sputter-nik moment: Cash for Education Clunkers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Malkin &#187; Obama&#8217;s Sputter-nik moment: Cash for Education Clunkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] kill&#8221; &#8212; otherwise known as the basics &#8212; for costly educational fads ranging from &#8220;Mayan Math&#8221; to &#8220;Everyday Math&#8221; that substitute art, self-esteem and multiculturalism for the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] kill&#8221; &#8212; otherwise known as the basics &#8212; for costly educational fads ranging from &#8220;Mayan Math&#8221; to &#8220;Everyday Math&#8221; that substitute art, self-esteem and multiculturalism for the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Malkin &#187; Jaime Escalante, R.I.P.</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/25/stupid-education-fad-of-the-day-mayan-math/comment-page-2/#comment-914126</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Malkin &#187; Jaime Escalante, R.I.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ever. Instead, far too many teachers have abandoned their roles as imparters of knowledge for the lazy hackery of social justice [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ever. Instead, far too many teachers have abandoned their roles as imparters of knowledge for the lazy hackery of social justice [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Malkin &#187; Indoctrination Watch: Student contest for &#8220;best census cheer&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/25/stupid-education-fad-of-the-day-mayan-math/comment-page-2/#comment-885781</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Malkin &#187; Indoctrination Watch: Student contest for &#8220;best census cheer&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] may not be able to add, but he&#8217;ll be able to root loudly for his right to federal funding based on the most inflated [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] may not be able to add, but he&#8217;ll be able to root loudly for his right to federal funding based on the most inflated [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Link Dump: &#8217;70s Sex, Evil in a Diaper, iPad, &#38; More : Jenn Q. Public</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/25/stupid-education-fad-of-the-day-mayan-math/comment-page-2/#comment-880910</link>
		<dc:creator>Link Dump: &#8217;70s Sex, Evil in a Diaper, iPad, &#38; More : Jenn Q. Public</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Presenting Mayan math, part of the trendy new ethno-mathematics [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michelle Malkin &#187; White House flack: It&#8217;s &#8220;petty&#8221; to nail down stimulus numbers</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/25/stupid-education-fad-of-the-day-mayan-math/comment-page-2/#comment-879791</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Malkin &#187; White House flack: It&#8217;s &#8220;petty&#8221; to nail down stimulus numbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (I think they were using &#8220;Mayan Math.&#8221;) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: wayiwalk</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/25/stupid-education-fad-of-the-day-mayan-math/comment-page-2/#comment-879721</link>
		<dc:creator>wayiwalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You do realize that ’sheer rote memorization’ does not help one acquire a job designing airplanes?&quot;

I spent almost nine years in the work of designing airplanes, before getting involved in my present engineering work.  I can say without a doubt that memorization, along with learning that followed that memorization, played a very large part in helping me acquire a job designing airplanes, and also, helped me design airplanes.  Math is just one of the many tools necessary in that vocation.

The biggest challenge in the engineering field is making sure new engineers understand the basic concepts and are able to use the computational tools correctly and are able to judge the magnetude of things intuitively. Strong intuition is built on being able to work out rough estimates in one&#039;s head - and that requires well practiced math skills that don&#039;t use calculators, or programs and use common, well understood math systems as their basis.

I rue the day when some new hire engineer approaches me with some calculations performed in an alternate number system or such, and they try to convince me that this system is equally sound  ;-)

Major accomplishments in large, complex business organizations and civilizations depend on a common language, be that english, math, or whatever.  Introducing something that is different for the sake of checking a box next to &quot;diversity&quot; does nothing to support that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You do realize that ’sheer rote memorization’ does not help one acquire a job designing airplanes?&#8221;</p>
<p>I spent almost nine years in the work of designing airplanes, before getting involved in my present engineering work.  I can say without a doubt that memorization, along with learning that followed that memorization, played a very large part in helping me acquire a job designing airplanes, and also, helped me design airplanes.  Math is just one of the many tools necessary in that vocation.</p>
<p>The biggest challenge in the engineering field is making sure new engineers understand the basic concepts and are able to use the computational tools correctly and are able to judge the magnetude of things intuitively. Strong intuition is built on being able to work out rough estimates in one&#8217;s head &#8211; and that requires well practiced math skills that don&#8217;t use calculators, or programs and use common, well understood math systems as their basis.</p>
<p>I rue the day when some new hire engineer approaches me with some calculations performed in an alternate number system or such, and they try to convince me that this system is equally sound  <img src='http://s.michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/themes/mm/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Major accomplishments in large, complex business organizations and civilizations depend on a common language, be that english, math, or whatever.  Introducing something that is different for the sake of checking a box next to &#8220;diversity&#8221; does nothing to support that.</p>
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		<title>By: MerryMaven</title>
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		<dc:creator>MerryMaven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“&#039;Math isn’t just rote answers without understanding,&#039; he said.&quot;

Of course it isn&#039;t.  Math in lower grades is about achieving rote answers &lt;strong&gt;with &lt;/strong&gt;understanding.  No wonder kids can&#039;t add 2 + 2 and get in the same neighborhood as 4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“&#8217;Math isn’t just rote answers without understanding,&#8217; he said.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course it isn&#8217;t.  Math in lower grades is about achieving rote answers <strong>with </strong>understanding.  No wonder kids can&#8217;t add 2 + 2 and get in the same neighborhood as 4.</p>
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		<title>By: NJ-Aviator</title>
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		<dc:creator>NJ-Aviator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;corkie said:

#167 properly SOLVED the presented math problem.

Yes, it was solvable – the line is the solution.
&lt;strong&gt;
I bet the Mayans didn’t know that.&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They were too busy making calendars out of hub caps.

Which brings something else to mind.... If someone ever unearths a Barnes &amp; Noble a few thousand years from now and finds the calendar rack amidst the rubble.... will they believe that North American indigents believed the world was going to end on December 31st?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>corkie said:</p>
<p>#167 properly SOLVED the presented math problem.</p>
<p>Yes, it was solvable – the line is the solution.<br />
<strong><br />
I bet the Mayans didn’t know that.</strong>
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<p>They were too busy making calendars out of hub caps.</p>
<p>Which brings something else to mind&#8230;. If someone ever unearths a Barnes &amp; Noble a few thousand years from now and finds the calendar rack amidst the rubble&#8230;. will they believe that North American indigents believed the world was going to end on December 31st?</p>
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		<title>By: WarEagle82</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/25/stupid-education-fad-of-the-day-mayan-math/comment-page-2/#comment-879138</link>
		<dc:creator>WarEagle82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, young Mayan students are excelling at math while their impoverished friends to the north of the border aren&#039;t doing quite so well.

http://educationalissues.suite101.com/article.cfm/math_scores_in_us_hit_a_plateau</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, young Mayan students are excelling at math while their impoverished friends to the north of the border aren&#8217;t doing quite so well.</p>
<p><a href="http://educationalissues.suite101.com/article.cfm/math_scores_in_us_hit_a_plateau" rel="nofollow">http://educationalissues.suite101.com/article.cfm/math_scores_in_us_hit_a_plateau</a></p>
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		<title>By: Southpaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Southpaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so I&#039;ve drifted OT far enough. I think if you want to educate kids about ethnocentric math, take five minutes to give them a link like this. Then let them explore it on their own.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&amp;q=mayan+mathematics&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;ei=yChfS83dKJTIsAPs0pnQBA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=image_result_group&amp;ct=title&amp;resnum=4&amp;ved=0CBsQsAQwAw

Otherwise, get back to the basics. But Michelle Malkin is right, this really isn&#039;t about math, it&#039;s about political and social agendas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so I&#8217;ve drifted OT far enough. I think if you want to educate kids about ethnocentric math, take five minutes to give them a link like this. Then let them explore it on their own.</p>
<p><a href="http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&#038;q=mayan+mathematics&#038;um=1&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;ei=yChfS83dKJTIsAPs0pnQBA&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=image_result_group&#038;ct=title&#038;resnum=4&#038;ved=0CBsQsAQwAw" rel="nofollow">http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&#038;q=mayan+mathematics&#038;um=1&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;ei=yChfS83dKJTIsAPs0pnQBA&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=image_result_group&#038;ct=title&#038;resnum=4&#038;ved=0CBsQsAQwAw</a></p>
<p>Otherwise, get back to the basics. But Michelle Malkin is right, this really isn&#8217;t about math, it&#8217;s about political and social agendas.</p>
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		<title>By: Rogue Cheddar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rogue Cheddar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On January 26th, 2010 at 12:02 pm, Southpaw said: 
Now I suppose you want to hear about my base 8 calendar. 8 days in a week, 8 weeks in a month, 8 months in a year, 8 years in a decade. You might say I’m Octal obsessed. The opening of the Beijing Olympics on 08/08/08 was like, Nirvana.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You and &quot;OctoMom&quot; would make a cute couple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On January 26th, 2010 at 12:02 pm, Southpaw said:<br />
Now I suppose you want to hear about my base 8 calendar. 8 days in a week, 8 weeks in a month, 8 months in a year, 8 years in a decade. You might say I’m Octal obsessed. The opening of the Beijing Olympics on 08/08/08 was like, Nirvana.</p></blockquote>
<p>You and &#8220;OctoMom&#8221; would make a cute couple.</p>
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		<title>By: spaceycakes</title>
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		<dc:creator>spaceycakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Southpaw&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Southpaw</strong>:</p>
<p><em>really</em>?</p>
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		<title>By: Southpaw</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/25/stupid-education-fad-of-the-day-mayan-math/comment-page-2/#comment-879029</link>
		<dc:creator>Southpaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really, really, really, really, really tired of the man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really, really, really, really, really tired of the man.</p>
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		<title>By: Southpaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Southpaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On January 26th, 2010 at 12:21 pm, spaceycakes said: 
Southpaw–I’m just kidding of course…

do you have a pet octopus?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s funny.
Does anybody get the sense that I&#039;m a little bit burned out on all the political stuff?
I think I have Obamanitus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On January 26th, 2010 at 12:21 pm, spaceycakes said:<br />
Southpaw–I’m just kidding of course…</p>
<p>do you have a pet octopus?</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s funny.<br />
Does anybody get the sense that I&#8217;m a little bit burned out on all the political stuff?<br />
I think I have Obamanitus.</p>
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