Oregon to businesses: Screw you
Big Labor poured millions of rank-and-file members’ dues into a tax hike campaign in Oregon. It worked. The “wealthy” and the “evil corporations” will now be forced to bail out government schools and social services. Look for affected business owners to start Going Galt en masse.
The Oregonian reports on the gloating by public employee union brass and class warfare propagandists. You betcha the White House is paying attention. Paging Tea Party activists…
Oregon voters bucked decades of anti-tax and anti-Salem sentiment Tuesday, raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy to prevent further erosion of public schools and other state services.
The tax measures passed easily, with late returns showing a 54 percent to 46 percent ratio. Measure 66 raises taxes on households with taxable income above $250,000, and Measure 67 sets higher minimum taxes on corporations and increases the tax rate on upper-level profits.
The results triggered waves of relief from educators and legislative leaders, who were facing an estimated $727 million shortfall in the current two-year budget if the measures failed.
“We’re absolutely ecstatic,” said Hanna Vandering, a physical education teacher from Beaverton and vice president of the statewide teachers union. “What Oregonians said today is they believe in public education and vital services.”
The double-barreled victory is the first voter-approved statewide income tax increase since the 1930s. Other states, facing similar budget woes, are watching the outcome closely because Oregon, after all, is a state that capped property taxes and locked a surplus tax rebate program into the constitution.
The last time voters approved a tax increase was 2002, when they agreed to bump up tobacco taxes to help pay for the Oregon Health Plan. Voters rejected income tax increases twice in recent years.
“You’re going to find a lot of people are going to be talking about this,” said Kevin Looper, campaign director for Vote Yes for Oregon, the main support group for the measures.
…Campaign ads by supporters highlighted banks and credit card companies and showed images of well-dressed people stepping off private jets. They also hammered on the $10 minimum tax that most corporations have paid since its inception in 1931.
Those messages helped counter warnings by opponents that the taxes would lead to job losses, worsening the state’s 11 percent unemployment rate, and prompt wealthy residents to move elsewhere.
“They did a great job of pounding, ‘It’s only $10,’” said Bob Tiernan, chairman of the state Republican Party. “We got swamped by the union money.”
Supporters spent at least $6.9 million, most of it coming from teacher and public employee unions. Opponents, led by a coalition of business organizations, spent at least $4.6 million, donated by wealthy entrepreneurs such as Nike’s Phil Knight and Columbia Sportswear’s Tim Boyle.
Time to find a more hospitable climate, gentlemen.
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Everyone has the right to vote with their feet, as business owners in California have discovered, much to the joy of Arizona and other states.
Enjoy Oregon.
So, Oregon is quickly becoming a Third World state. Goodbye, Oregon. You are running off a cliff and think that is a good thing. What a bunch of morons. The entire left coast is like another country.
Stupid or wilfully ignorant – take your pick.
employers should move out of oregon and let unions support the state.
The capitalists are welcome in other more red states. But please, moonbats, stay where you are! You are NOT.WELCOME to come to the red states and destroy them too. The lunatics must be contained!
Californication II. Next stop is my home state of Washington. Liberalism: It’s not just a state of mind it’s a perverted way of life.
Time to find a more hospitable climate, gentlemen.
Where can anyone go at this point? Canada? New Zealand? It seems all states, for the most part, are raising tax rates….
…that owe their existance to JFK’s 1962 executive order allowing government employee unions. A payoff to the Mob for helping to get him elected.
Elections have consequences beyond having to deal with Camelot myths.
The “wealthy” and the “evil corporations” will to some degree pull back under the retro active tax. ‘It’s only $10,’” is like those other lies:
Social Security will be 1% and not used as Federal ID
Only the rich
The Check is in the Mail
Already Oregon is in trouble as individuals and corporations leave to escape the taxes and onerous rules. We have seen it in California and New York-Illinois taxes and rules have been a boon to Missouri and Iowa as corporations flee. The public employees victory may well soon be Pyrrhic-let us hope it happens soon. Class warfare is a loser for everyone BUT the bureaucrat.
The physical education teacher from Beaverton may well be looking for a job.
I am embarrassed, as I live in Central Oregon, which at least voted against this. Now businesses get taxed just for the privilege of losing money in the state. The only non-government jobs in the paper are for sheep herders (kid you not).
Oregon will be one of the first, third world states.
I have a daughter in Bend. The area is in near-depression conditions.
This should nicely put a stake in the state’s heart.
Like Kalifurnia…pretty place with way too may loopy people.
Sorry, but I think California was first.
Businesses get taxed and who pays the fee? That’s right, Oregon, the consumer. Have fun. You got conned again.
Wow! I bet the good people of Idaho and Washington can’t wait for all these high income folks to move across the state line and set up shop there.
They should send a thank you note to the idiots in Oregon though. It is the least they can do for the hundreds of millions in taxable income that will flee Oregon as a result of this stupidity…
How many times have you heard the adage “don’t cut off your nose to spite your face?” Oregon voters just did that and are apparently too stupid to know it.
As individuals and businesses head north to Washington (no taxes) and Oregon’s tax ‘revenue’ declines in the following years they will be scratching their collective heads on who to blame next.
“Class War Is Hell” When the producers leave, who is going to bury the fetid corpses resulting from all the collateral damage?
Following in Mexifornia’s footsteps…Liberals are stupid. The businesses will respond by laying off employees, cutting benefits, raising prices or maybe leaving. Bottom line…the same idiots who voted for this are the one’s who are going to pick up the check. It’s only a matter of time before the state is bankrupt like Mexifornia.
Maybe Mt. Hood could provide a Do Over!
One of my best friends, in Tulsa, was laid off from her job last week.
So, some of those companies can move to Oklahoma.
And the next headline will be, “Business to Oregon: No, Screw You”. That’s not what I’d call a pro-jobs decision likely to cause entrepreneurs to start new small businesses, or to induce any large company to relocate there. Self-defeating in the long run.
Come to Kansas — very happy to have them move here
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Oregon used to produce lots of lumber and this industry employed may people. But the “green” agenda killed this job source.
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When all industry is gone from the state the few people left there can return to subsistence farming and fishing and hunting–like the Indians did hundreds of years ago. Just keep these stupid clowns from moving to Texas and screwing things up here with their liberal ideas.
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John Bibb
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Exactly. My cousin has had a business in San Diego for 25 years. He is folding up and moving to Phoenix and most of his staff are coming with him. Even with the expense of moving it’s the only way he can stay in the black.
“Oregon to businesses: Screw you”
Businesses to Oregon: No, screw you!
Who wants to bet that the shortfall will be even greater within a few years??
From what I understand, they are going to tax the GROSS receipts of businesses? What? What is WRONG with these people?? They want to improve the economy and they make it HARDER for business to create jobs? I can’t understand this kind of thinking.
Liberals really, really are stupid. Just plain stupid.
The Beaver State. Full of liberal rodents damming up a wall of socialist programs. Flooding out businesses, jobs and capitalism. Oh hey, say hi to Matt Roloff for me.
Tennessee would also welcome any of the businesses that want to move from Oregon.
I would suggest Knoxville, Chattanooga or Nashville for a start.
GSP
Dorothy 2010
“Toto, I don’t think we are in Oregon anymore.”
Here in the People’s Republic of Oregon, they cannot get three things through their heads.
1.) Your Birthday is not a holiday so you do not get the day off, and you certainly are not paid to take the day off.
2.) Businesses do not exist for giving you a job with convenient hours and excellent benefits.
3.) When you “Soak” the rich, Businesses move out, it costs jobs, and prices, go up. (See Portland, Oregon, under the leadership of Mayor Vera Katz.)
This morning, I raised my fees for the first time in 4 years to offset the coming punishment. In addition, my employees were put on notice that we will cut back on benefits and do more with fewer people. Once the economy recovers for the rest of the Country, Oregon’s unemployment rate, which is now at 11.4%, will remain high. Unfortunately, the dumb ass Marxists had their way last night.
In NM, the green governor has already stomped on the oil and gas industry that paid the state’s bills and is going after coal-fired power plants, despite the fact that the plants are within EPA standards. Every time Bill Richardson opens his mouth, a poor state gets poorer.
It’s beginning to look like by the time the Mexicans manage to re-annex Aztlan, it won’t be any different than what they already have. They’ll play hell getting Texas, though.
RedDog it has already happened here in WA ST. Just look at how Boeing is slowly but surely moving out of the state. First the coorporate offices moved, now the 2nd 787 plant in SC (I would be willing to bet that it will shortly become the only 787 plant before long). I even heard this morning that the legislators in Olympia saw that Boeing had a good earning report so now they are looking to find a new way to tax them to pay for their pet projects.
The problem with socialism: eventually you run out of other people’s money.
I don’t know if there is a real correlation here or not, but the base rental for a 26 foot U-Haul van from Stafford, Va. (where I live) to Salem,Ore. is $1763.00. Rent one from Salem to Stafford: $2165.00 Admittedly, that’s with a 10% discount if you reserve online, but(tellingly)the discount applies ONLY from Stafford to Salem.
The laws of supply and demand in action.
Take a look at the graph for Oregon state budgets over the last ~30 years. http://www.dennisrichardson.org/allfunds.pdf
In 2005/2007 (two year period) the budget was just over $40 billion. For 2009/2011 the budget is ~$55 billion! Spending is out of control in many other states too but spending, and not lack of revenue, is the problem!
Since I’m here at local ground-zero, I feel I should at least add some additional info about what is going on here. And, let me offer a disclaimer up front — I’m not defending the passage of these tax laws, just giving more info about the specifics involved in all this.
It is my understanding that the way the one measure that pertained to corporate income tax was written, it [attempts to] tax gross revenue as opposed to net profits! (Doh!!!). Not very hospitable indeed.
In fairness, some of that had already been taking place. But, more than businesses running out to escape corporate income tax, it was private individuals leaving in far greater numbers. These people tend to live in/around metro areas near the Columbia River where they can remain within commuting distance to jobs… usually still in Oregon (Portland especially). However, according to state tax law, even WA residents that earn their primary salary in OR are still required to file/pay OR personal state income tax. Of course, many don’t – and they are technically breaking the law. The OR DoR (Dept. of Revenue) had been known to pursue these people ‘with vigor’ historically.
It’s a bit of a misnomer to compare WA to OR with respect to taxes though. For one, WA has no personal income tax – we do – but, we have no sales taxes — none! There are other license fees that are much higher in WA than OR — especially personal auto registration/ license fees in particular, and, unlike many eastern and southern states, individuals do not pay property-type taxes on personal vehicles here either.
But the tax structure is rather similar overall on the most the rest though.
People assume that OR has an exceedingly high structure at present, but in recent research I’ve seen on the subject, we were found to fall within the lowest 1/3 of all states with respect to overall tax burden (historically, we were one of the highest, it is no longer the case though)
Here’s a big part of our problem (that few in the state are able or willing to talk openly about): about 7%-8% of the state population are illegal aliens. Some people would say that estimate is way too low. Many (most?) of those have kids in public K-12 schools (usually more than 1 too). Many work off the books and do not contribute to state/local taxes in any way. At the same time, they consume state services/resources disproportionately. The demographic explosion is beginning to ‘pinch’ on statewide budgets more than it ever has. This will only get worse before it is solved.
Like many of Oregon’s problems, …they came from somewhere else …even some of “our” politicians…sigh.
I guess that explains a lot, doesn’t it? A teacher fails to understand basic economic principles. I’d like to touch base with Ms. Vandering in a couple of years and see how well that tax increase worked out for her.
Speaking of unions, the SEIU may have reared it’s ugly head again. Who’s Ellie Light? They don’t mention the union in the article, but it doesn’t take a stretch to connect a “health care worker” to them.
Companies in Oregon will close up shop and hit the road leaving all these voters with fewer jobs and less money to pick up the tab they wanted to pawn off on the “rich” and the companies.
Let’s keep an eye on Oregon as it follows California into hell.
Of course that only works if the federal government is barred from bailing out failing state models. We will soon have a war between the actual producers and the luftmenchen.
I think the sane part of the state would love to secede from Portland & Eugene.
Same with WA & Seattle.
The folks out of the metro area(s) have a saying that is quite the back-handed insult as to convey that point. It goes something like this:
The “Great State of Portland”
The cynicism and sarcasm are warranted just the same.
Oregon’s businesses will leave in huge numbers. In PA, many businesses have gone to North Carolina to avoid our antiquated school property tax. The teachers’ union has a stranglehold on Harrisburg, and our
ineptcorrupt legislators won’t change ANYTHING!Good point, NBF. We would indeed love to secede from Portland and Eugene. In all fairness to us – the business folks in this state – it’s tough to defeat something like this when you’re outnumbered by state employees.
Perhaps I should e-mail my friend to see if she can get a job shuttling Y’all Hauls back to the Left Coast.
I posted previously, but when I reviewed the picture accompanying this post a moment ago the numbers 6 6 6 from 66 and 67 just jumped out at me. You don’t suppose this has any kind of significance, do you?
Seeing as how Washington is one of the few states with no income tax, I expect to see a flood of people north in the future.
This is very bad news. The Oregon model is the democrat\Obama model (the most benign one in any event) for the nation. Democrats will look at these results and say: see, the people like higher taxes, it’s a vote getter. Just as the Brown vote killed demcare (well, at least that is the belief among some pundits but who really knows?), this result will greatly diminish any prospect for reduced taxes, fiscal restraint for years to come. The negative economic consequences will simply be blamed on something else. Not one voter in a million understands economic causation, not that it matters. Interest on the looming monster debt alone will crush this country in a few years regardless, making it a likely prospect for takeover by whoever would want to do so.
Of course the legislature and the Gov would love to add an income tax on top of one of the highest gas taxes int eh nation, and 8.5% sales tax.
Here is another article about the subject here (a local Fox affiliate):
http://www.kptv.com/yourvote/22350578/detail.html
From the story above: –
“Approval of the two tax increases also ran counter to the state’s history of turning down tax increases.”
Come to Louisiana. Not the best tax climate, but somewhere in the middle. However, our winters are brutal. I think it’s only going up to 65 today. Brr.
Let the exodus begin!
Say goodbye to Nike and Columbia, along with the jobs and revenue they provide. I’m sure Nevada, Utah, Oklahoma, Idaho, Tennessee, or South Carolina will welcome you with open arms.
Give it a few years and the potheads back in OR will wonder why revenues have dropped through the floor.
Same here. The lege tried again and again to get an income tax, but it takes a constitutional amendment and the voters keep turning them down. They never give up, though.
As long as you stay off of I-10.
Yeah, please move to one of those states. Stop moving into Texas and bringing your liberal employees with you.
they sure don’t. Here in WA ST they keep pushing the idea of an state income tax but never actually try (they are smart enough to realize the voter backlash froma move like that), so instead they keep raising the gas tax, sales tax, property tax, and the Business and Operating taxes to the point that they cannot attract new businesses to WA ST and more and more are ready to leave for Idaho.
…and that those capitalistic bastards should pay for them, so that the layabouts can git it fer nuthin’.
Greenfaire-
Actually Nike already has a plant in Memphis, TN and I would love it if they expanded thier production plant here.
GSP
Actually,
liberalsprogressives, or at least those that support progressive politicians can be and often are both.If I was a business owner or someone making 250K+ living in Oregon, I leave Oregon in a New York Heart Beat. Idiots…
Last year CA rejected tax hikes to deal with our $20B deficit. Thank goodness. Good luck with that Oregon.
Socialized public education is, at its very ideological roots, immoral and corrupt.
I am opposed to free education as much as I am opposed to taking property from one man and giving it to another who knows not how to take care of it.
Impose new taxes on businesses. Businesses raise prices to cover new taxes.
In a year those morons(citizens of Oregon) will be demanding a windfall profit tax on all businesses.
Jumped in here a bit late. I was born in Idaho, but presently live in Michigan. Each summer I spend a month or two in Idaho, and hope to move back there. But, I’ve noticed that Californians are beginning to infect Idaho as they did Oregon, Washington and Montana earlier. This Oregon tax hike can only be bad news for Idaho. It will divert the exodus from Oregon to Idaho with undesirable consequences down the road. There are many millionaires in Idaho, and I predict that they will soon be targets of the non-producers who are always on the lookout for unearned money.
Nevada is close, good for businesses, better climate and conservatives moving there could help oust Reid. It’s all good.
Strike yet another state from my list of potential places to live in and start a career…too bad – Oregon always looked like a beautiful place to live
The one great Oregon industry that CAN’T just get up and leave is their wine industry. Shame.
Government employee unions need to be made illegal. It’s immoral for government employees to have protected status and benefits better than can be found in most private sector jobs… all at taxpayer expense. It bleeds money from the private sector where it’s needed most.
Here in Hawaii there is no sales tax, it’s an excise tax. Taxes are collected on any money the business takes in. Yes, that includes excise tax money – you pay taxes on the taxes….
Well the grapes can’t move, but the rest of the industry could…
Sounds like here in WA ST. The gas tax can only be used for transportation projects and can not go into the genreal fund. So to get around this the state taxes itself (via sales tax) on the material used in road construction to be able to skim money from the gas tax into the general fund.
Where are they getting the Chinese children to work there?! :0
Right! LOL.
I think they also have large manufacturing subcontractors based in Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, and, of course, the PRC.
It is all part of the liberal student exchange program…the Chinese children come here to work in the factories and the libs send their children there to learn the maoist doctorine.
I live in Oregon City. I’ve been out of work since Oct 08. I think my chances of getting hired have now gotten much slimmer. I’m completing a Web Design certificate from Clackamas Community College.
Anybody need a web designer?
I’d like to send the loopy people back to LoopyLand where they came from.
Oh it has, long before this theft came about. Columbia Sportswear has left, Mac Truck has left…Intel is gone…Nike is the only Fortune 500 company left here, as Phil Knight CEO of Nike is talking as if they maybe next. Those companies were located in and around The People’s Republic of Portland…obviously where the majority of voters live.
Ugh. I live in Albany and work in Salem, and this morning the VP of the company was openly talking about “Going Galt” and moving to Arizona. Just what we’d need. I work at a ballistic testing facility, and until this morning considered this business to be “recession-proof.”
But maybe not idiot voter-proof… if he carries out on his threat, that’d be a body-blow to the whole organization.
Oregon. There was a reason why my late father used to call this jerkwater state “The Arkansas of the west coast.” Now ‘scuse me, I am off an a quest for some sodium bi-carbonate.
Yep. Lot’s of folks in the border cities are going to be talking about it alright. They’ll be talking with each other, their realtors and soon-to-be-former employers on the reasons they are leaving Oregon.
Too bad the people of Oregon didn’t take a lesson from California. When enough businesses say “Uncle” and head elsewhere, Oregon’s current budgetary problems will seem like the good old days.
And this idiot Looper (appropriate name) will be long gone and unavailable for comment.
This is like a thief robbing a bank because that’s where the money is. The gov has the same thought – go after those with the money and tax them out of existence.
Perhaps voters in red states ought to say screw the border fence at the Mexican and Canadian borders and start building them around their own states…
There is nothing more mobile than “Rich People” and their money.
Quick! Somebody count how many rich people are in Oregon today, so we can compare it to the number of rich people who are still in Oregon in 6 months.
I was thinking about possibly moving home (Albany, OR) from 4 years in the south east this year- guess this made my decision for me.
Such a great place to live, it’s a shame that the Woodstock generation and their progeny have destroyed a place with one of the best quality of life indexes in the whole US.
If you love the outdoors there is no better place to be, if you also like to make a living so you can eat- not so much.
It seems the radicals in Salem are determined to turn the entire state in to what will amount to the worlds largest AOR campground.
This makes me truly sad because I had planned to move back to Oregon and live out my years there- I still may, but not as soon as I had hoped.
Can’t wait to see how far the Oregon revenues sink, and how many people are laid off unless they move with the company, when this goes into affect, much like what happened in Maryland.
I’m a lifelong (age 32) conservative stay at home mom that is not surprised the liberals won it again. I’ve learned whenever they use its “for the kids, elderly, and disabled” you know its bogus. This state has had an increase in spending every year! Now they just want to spend more and more and not cut back when we need to; like during a recession. Oregon has the #3 highest unemployment in the country but these smart liberals don’t think much about that. Multnomah county (where Portland lies) voted 3:1 in favor of this ridiculous tax hike. This county has a grip on the state when it comes to elections. If you look at the majority of other counties they are more conservative and actually voted NO for both measures but the rest of the state’s population can’t beat the liberal willamette valley (Portland on down to Salem). Clackamas county which is next to Multnomah is more conservative and did vote no on both measures only by 1-2%. Hopefully this county will vote out Democrat House Rep. Kurt Schrader– I hope he is listening to his voters.
I think this state has to hit rock bottom in order for these liberals to finally realize that raising taxes in a recession is STUPIDITY! If the Bush tax cuts do run out next year, Oregon will have lots and lots of tax increases to deal with.
I hope in the end Oregon get’s its own “Scott Brown” candidate to rescue us from the insanity.
WA ST is much the same way. Outside of Olympia and Seattle you have a mostly Conservative state. The downside is both those cities have the majority of population and tend to control the vote for everyone because of it. It is so bad that the residents in rural King County (the county which Seattle resides in) continue to try to become their own county called Cascade County due to the liberalites (another name for those who live in Seattle) continue to come up with outrageous land use ordances and high taxes that greatly affect the rural areas far more than the city itself yet those it affect do not have the numbers to vote out those who really do not represent their interests.
I hope all the liberal transplants in Oregon and Washington that came from Kalifornia and brought their tax and spend liberal voting habits with them stay where they are. Remember Nevada and Arizona used to be Red States, now they have been so infected by left coast invaders that they voted for The Won in the last election. Somehow the dopey libs who left Kalifornia because they hated the taxes justify voting for tax increases in their “new” States. They have destroyed the conservative base in; Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Nevada and Idaho. Not leaving much for options. Texas and Oklahoma are getting a taste of the second migration of these same mindless dopes who escape liberal politics but bring the same ideology with them to their new State changing the demographic from R to L.
Oh Crap, The Invasion of liberals is almost worse than the Invasion of Illegal Immigrants who they wholeheartedly support
Oh Well and we repeat ourselves, repeat ourselves, cyclical madness
The most important information regarding this law is that it is meant to prop up the public employee unions, teachers especially. They already have the lions share of nearly everything here and just want more. No tightening of the belt for them. They completely control the state and have some, if not the most generous benefits in the country. I am bitter and mad and I will vote against everything to benefit any public employee for the rest of my life. Schools and fire departments be damned.
I was born here and lived my entire life here but for a few years in the navy. I do not want to move.
As for the rest of PhreE’s comments, there is no denying that Oregon is one of the harshest business climates around. The vast amount of fees in the state are rising by double and triple and the property taxes just went higher even though my property value decreased.
For a state that thinks they are “sustainable”, they haven’t a clue.
yoohoo…this is Texas calling. Please bring your jobs. No state income tax. Median home price 17% below national average, one of the lowest SCHIP rates in the nation and welfare payments at 48% of national average. Oh, and we’re dead last in benefits paid out for WIC. Coincidence?
Ah the Libtards are just setting up the west coast for Chinese expansion. Now you know what the Chinese got for all those loans. I wonder how Chinese and Mexicans get along?
Tuned into a local talk radio program, Lars Larson, 1st thing out of him when quoting the public union and teacher unions: (paraphrase) “that will stop the bleeding but not nearly enough to solve the financial problems we have in regards to public employee and teachers.”
Socialists never have enough of others money.
YO; NIKE; missouri has a nike plant in st charles, and we would love to see you move your beaverton plant here.
*Hey Oregon: When you soak the rich, everybody gets wet; You’ll find that out soon enough!
*Come on over to Tennessee, we would love to have ya; No state income tax, a right to work state, and low, low cost of living; Liberal/progressive voters that said yes to this insanity, please stay put!
The Communists proudly proclaim:
Ohhh poor NIKE.
They should be taxed out of existence just for the following reasons:
Using child labor and carcinogens in their products.
Resigning from The U.S. Chamber Of Commerce Board Of Directors Over Global Warming that isn’t happening.
I get the distinct feeling that this is the real story: that their socialist health plan is bleeding the state dry, and they need funds to fix it. Just like here in MA.
What it also says is that public education has failed Oregon’s residents miserably, and that they don’t understand that the “rich” and corporations can LEAVE the state.
“The problem with socialism is that eventually, you run out of other people’s money.” -Margaret Thatcher