Reconciliation flip-flopper of the morning

Democrat Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota, the chair of the Senate Budget Committee, was against using reconciliation to pass the government health care takeover before he was for it. Naked Emperor News dug up the tape:
And here’s a partial transcript of Conrad’s April 2001 remarks:
A group of us were approached and asked if we would support the use of reconciliation that short-circuits senator’s rights to debate and amend…and a group of us said “NO!” That would be an abuse of the process…that was not what the Senate was designed for. That was not what the Founding Fathers intended for this body…It is wrong. Dead wrong. It was wrong in 1993 and 1994. It is an absolute abuse of reconciliation to use it for purposes other than deficit reduction. And if we allow it here, we are going to open the floodgates.
“Absolute” is not so “absolute” anymore, is it?
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Isn’t it a little cold to weat flip flops?
Must be all the Gorbal Warming
weat = wear
Better to flush them all out before November.
Well, no, actually absolute is still absolute. What he said in ’01 is as true now as it was then, if not more so in light of what is happening. It is Conrad who has abandoned his absolute principles in defference to this counterfeit “higher good” of healthcare.
I still don’t believe they’ll do it. The house would have to vote for the present senate bill as is with an under the table agreement that the senate will accomodate them later with reconciliation. As Conrad so eloquently put it: “That would be an abuse of the process…that was not what the Senate was designed for. That was not what the Founding Fathers intended for this body…It is wrong. Dead wrong.”
They know this is true and so do we. This would be political suicide for the Dems. You have to wonder if they are really that stupid, but these days…??
Democrat Sen. Kent Conrad has been seduced by the Dark Side.
Kent Conrad – Absolut hypocrite.
Conrad’s flop is SITUATION ETHICS. No principles. Shameful. Trouble is, morons are allowed to vote for representatives.
His “Absolute” is about as phony as a couple of hundred CongressCritters-led by Botox Nancy-applauding President Obama’s No More Ear Marks line. They are all too often the worst of people. The Senator is right at home is that house of whores.
They’ve learned nothing from Massachusetts. Let’s reteach them that lesson in November.
What amazes me is how much these people can wrap themselves up in spin and talking points so that they can believe that they are doing the right thing.
Michelle,
Patricia Smith’s Solicitor of Labor nomination should be on the radar today.
Consitency’s for little people.
The only “Absolute” with these people is
say anything so your constituents are satisfied and are kept of their backs at town hall meetings then vote as they fully intended betting the constituents are confused by everything else that is going on.
Gotta wonder what the actual strategy is here. Is this floating a trial balloon? Is this a distraction, keep the opposition focused on reconciliation when some other strategy is begin pursued in the “back room”? Bait and switch kinda thing….
So, what was the payoff? Follow the money and all that.
I am at the point where I don’t really care anymore.
They are going to steal and spend money whenever they can.
It doesn’t matter who you vote for, what we have is an oligarchy. A ruling class of elites telling everyone else how they will run their lives. The original Americans would have never fought a Revolutionary War against a king if they had known that this was what was going to become of it.
Again, they are all crooks. They are all lying. The sad part about it is that Senators and Congressmen are told what to say so they might not even be smart enough to know they are lying.
As Costanza said, ‘it’s not really a lie if you believe it’.
A great case of “don’t do as I do, do as I say”… Or as we are wont to say, “it depends on whose OX is getting gored”!!!
I bet if King George had run in an election, he would have won.
What is the difference between being taxed by a King and being taxed by a Congress? Most people will say ‘well you voted for Congress and that allows them to steal from you’.
Well if they come up with a law that says if you don’t vote you don’t pay taxes (since you don’t want anyone speaking for you), I doubt anyone would vote.
If you had one guy say I’m going to spend your money, vs another guy who says I’m going to let you keep your money, who would you choose?
Apparently voting has become the apparatus by which the governed become complicit in the theft by the government. Hey, you voted for the guy to steal your money because you are free. so be thankful that we let you choose who steals your money.
Check the bank account, stick a finger up to check the wind, then go with what is profitable and power-grabbing.
Does anyone else follow Intrade Prediction Markets? You can “invest” (or gamble) on whether or not an event will happen based on probability. One of the “markets” now is:
“‘Obamacare’ health care reform (see contract rules) to become law before midnight ET 30 Jun 2010″ Probability is presently 33.5% likely to happen. It was at 40, then dropped to 20 at the MA election, back up to 35 after SOTU. I’d sell now because I don’t think the Dems have a death wish. Would you buy? (i.e. think they will pass it by July)
I don’t actually “invest” in this stuff, but it’s kinda fun to play on paper. Could have made a killing on the MA election if you bought in for Brown a month ago. Some other interesting markets:
Civilian trial of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed to be cancelled before midnight ET on 31 Mar 2010 - at 25
The Democrats to control the House of Representatives after 2010 Congressional Elections - at 58 (Down from 85 in Jan ’09)
This bill does one thing. It pays for insurance premiums from tax dollars. In other words, there is no reform in it other than taking money from Medicare and taxes.
I actually think taxing high dollar medical insurance plans is a good idea to keep costs down. . . but EVERYONE has to participate (that means Unions too).
Obama doesn’t care about what will happen to America after 3 years from now. The Obamacare proposal will bring in money for 3 years before paying out benefits. When it starts paying out benefits, the clock will start on its insolvency until it is repealed or finished. But Obama won’t care.
If you do tax high dollar insurance plans, that money should go to shoring up Medicare instead of doling out to another unfunded mandate.
Medicare age should go up to at least 70 and probably 75 in order to help it be solvent. All of these solutions to the health care problem are ignored.
All they want to do is spend money. They don’t want to solve problems.
I believe that each State needs to put forward a Petition/Legislation for a Balanced Budget Ammendment in the U.S. Constitution. The Spending has Totally gotten Insane, and BOTH Parties are at fault. And the Punishment for NOT Balancing it should be SO SEVERE it makes them all take notice.
Simply observing how Democrats in MA manipulated the election laws each time the Senate seat came open to meet their political objectives should tell you all you need to know how “intellectually honest” a Democrat is any issue.
No, plymouthacclaim. I’ve met Conrad. You were right the first time. He DOES wet his flip flops.
It all depends on which way the wind is blowing! (and what they think they can get away with at any given time)—-
I’m not sure they have seen the light,but I think they are starting to run scared. A couple of more tea parties and you would thing all of Washington are standing up for the Constitution.I quit believing these guys years ago. Vote them all out of office!
Yes. And they love it when they’re standing upwind of us when they pee.
“Culture of Corruption II” is just writing itself for you, isn’t it Michelle?
I really want them to use reconciliation and pass the Senate Bill. First, it would assure a conservative takeover of Washington in November. Second, since the Senate can’t constitutionally originate a revenue generating Bill, it would be overturned by SCOTUS. It’s a potential win-win for conservatism.
Gotta jam through as much Communism as possible by January 2011 in case the public is so soured of the Demonrats not even ACORN and voter fraud can hold their Conressional majority this November.
We might consider it political suicide, but remember that the donks live in a parallel universe — in which they see themselves, their actions and their motives in a much more flattering light.
Donks are only capable of waging honest, open and unapologetic war against their domestic political opposition. Accordingly, when it comes to turning this society upside down and inside out a lot of them see themselves as performing a heroic quasi-military campaign to take America by force into their parallel universe.
There will be Republican and other conservative Neanderthal opposition to this display of noblesse oblige, of course, but if enough donks in Congress are willing to symbolically sacrifice themselves for the cause, then the sacrifice is not in vain: to such people it’s no different in its heroic meaning than a soldier throwing himself down on a hand grenade, or lying down on top of the barbed wire so that his buddies can use his back to cross it.
Sure, a lot of individuals won’t survive the battle; but their selfless devotion to The Cause will pave the way for other donks to advance and secure final victory over the American People: a permanent, one-party totalitarian state.
I would not underestimate the ideological ferocity of a lot of the donks in Congress right now. Enough of them may actually be willing to trade in their personal, short-term political careers in exchange for the phony Red Badge of Courage that comes with fulfilling their perversion of the American Dream: the first wave scrapes, suffers and sacrifices so that their descendants can have it easier, and better.
Kent Kerry Komrad: “Throw the last switch!”
I made a commitment to completely cut out drinking and anything that might hamper me from getting my mind and body together. And the floodgates of goodness have opened upon me – spiritually and financially.
Denzel Washington
The problem is they say I am going to “take” from that other guy and “give” to you.
First step, DEMAND your state legislature pass a law allowing for immediate censure, revocation of voting authority and recall to the state. They have to know they are on a very tight leash. Don’t like it? Get another job. Start locally, fix nationally.