John Murtha dead at 77
Democrat Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania passed away today at Virginia Hospital Center following gallbladder surgery last month.
I’ll let my archives on his political career speak for itself. For now, condolences to the Murtha family. And I echo this message from GOP challenger Bill Russell:
RUSSELL ASKS FOR PRAYERS FOR MURTHA FAMILY
Announces a Moratorium on Campaign Media Efforts
(JOHNSTOWN, PA) – Responding to the sudden and unfortunate announcement of the death of Rep. John Murtha (D-PA-12th), GOP challenger William Russell has asked all citizens, Republicans, Democrats and Independents to come together and pray for Joyce and the Murtha family as they deal with the tragic loss of husband, father and grandfather. “While Mr. Murtha and I were political combatants in every sense, our family and campaign team asks you to keep the Murtha family in your thoughts and prayers,” said Russell. “Regardless of your political position, you always knew Jack had an immense love and loyalty to his family and the residents of the12th Congressional District.
The Russell campaign is immediately initiating a moratorium on all political media activity for the next five days in respect of the passing of John Murtha. The campaign will also remove all political references to Mr. Murtha on the Russellbrigade.com website immediately.
It is the wish of the William Russell for Congress Committee, that the passing of Mr. Murtha be treated with the utmost respect and decency by all…
Yes, we can show Murtha’s family more decency and respect than he ever showed the Haditha Marines.
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I hated the man’s politics but I wish his family well. I offer a prayer of peace and comfort to the soldiers who suffered from Murtha’s unfounded and un-apologetic slander toward them.
This is clearly a case of malpractice. The doctors should have known a libtard politician like Murtha could not survive without copious amounts of Gall!
to go along with the other scripture quotes, “live by corruption, die from corruption” or something like that.
kudos and best wishes to Mr. Russell.
No need to offer his family comfort or peace. They never lifted one finger to write regret or opposition letters about this man’s prolific abuse of power. His family lived high on the hog while others starved to death. They are complicit in his illegal activities by never denouncing the theft of tax payer money for his own personal pet projects and personal destruction of individual soldiers. This man’s family have nothing but crocodile tears ready to drop upon the keystroke of the organ music. Murtha NEVER apologized for one evil or illegal act he committed. He went to his grave as the lowest form of life. Worm food.
Goodbye politician. Who dat?
…but enough about Ted Kennedy… it’s Murtha we remember tonight.
Cholecystomegaly.
five days?
OK, I can wait.
I’ll say a prayer for his family, death hurts.
I was just reading Sarah Palin’s tribute to the dirtbag (No, not John McCain). Anyone here blocked from posting on Sarah Palin’s Facebook? It seems ALL of her posts either restrict the number of posts or possibly block individuals? Can’t post to anything she wrote current or in the past. I’ve had her on the FB fan list for a year and donated to the SarahPAC. This is odd. Need feedback please.
Murtha died when he was accidentally administered truth serum in the OR. The resulting allergic reaction was so violent that nursing staff said they thought they were watching a scene from the “Exorcist.” Just moments before he expired, Murtha, his head turning 360 degrees, starting screaming, in what appeared to be Nancy Pelosi voice, “What an excellent day for a tax hike.”
Sorry he died. Glad he is out of the House.
As much as I loathed the man’s actions an d positions, I feel sad for him and his family. I do not wish ill for anyone. God knows that I am no better than John Murtha in His eyes. He loves us both desperately. I can’t wrap my mind around that. All I know is that I cling to God’s merciful grace for salvation and that I am no better than John Murtha. We are both equal at the foot of the Cross…
Hell sure is a hot destination lately; First Ted Kennedy and now John Murtha. Maybe they can comfort each other.
Sounds like your God is a multicultural leftist.
You have just described why I cannot be a Christian.
Murtha was scum. He chose to be scum.
It matters whether or not we choose to be scum, even if we all do scummy things on occasion due to our all having been made with feet of clay.
A God that does not understand this fact is insane. And evil.
Drat. That should have been: “Sounds like your God is a multiculturalist leftist.”
There’s obviously nothing wrong with being multicultural. It the moral equivalence worshipping ‘ism’ that is nuts.
This man used his position of power to smear Marines who did nothing to deserve it. He not only placed the lives and military careers of these valiant men in jeopardy, but his actions also weakened the moral of the entire military during time of war.
Why did he do this? For no other reason than to further his own, selfish political goals. I found him a despicable human being. Lacking in honor and integrity.
May he rest in peace, but I suspect he is not.
God put on human flesh, named Jesus, and chose to be the perfect sacrifice to redeem people (past, present and future) from their sins. No sin can come before a holy God, and His perfect gift to us is the only way of salvation.
“The Haditha thing was a bit bizarre and uncharacteristic.”
For John Murtha? Bizarre and uncharateristic? Maybe we aren’t talking about the same John Murtha.
Sorry he’s dead. Some doctor is on the hot seat. Nicked an artery or something doing the surgery. Not going to be pretty.
Not unhappy nor sad a seat is open and is likely to be filled with a conservative.
Psalm 53:1-3 Director of music. According to mahalath. A maskil of David. 1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good. 2 God looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God. 3 Everyone has turned away,they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.
The point is we are all corrupt and capable of evil. The difference between John Murtha and you or me is God’s grace and nothing else. No one needs to judge Murtha; he must stand before the throne of God and answer for his life. God will deal with him in his wisdom and mercy.
Be careful how you judge for the measure you use will be used to judge you.
Jet Jaguar said:
God does not see all sin as the same. Jesus referred to those who had the “greater sin” (John 19:11; see also Matt. 23:23, which talk about the “weightier matters of the law”). On the day of judgment, some of the wicked will be punished worse than other wicked people (Matt. 11:20-24). This was also why Paul said he was worse than other sinners (1 Tim. 1:15), and less worthy than the rest of the Apostles (1 Cor. 15:9).
No sinner deserves God’s grace, but some sinners truly are worse than others. The amazing thing about God’s grace is that it is sufficient for any sinner, no matter how bad. Anyone who repents and calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Roland said:
This isn’t what the Bible teaches, so you are free to accept God’s grace and become a Christian now.
Amen to that, swede!!
MonaD,
I don’t hate Murtha, but I can’t suddenly claim to like him. And I can’t suddenly claim to mourn him in any way. The fact that “everyone knew” that he was corrupt doesn’t change the fact that he was corrupt – and I don’t mourn corruption when it passes.
I wish his family peace, but I don’t wish them success. I wouldn’t want to see another Murtha rising to “complete the work my father/uncle/etc. started” or anything like that.
He was a bad influence on this country, and he was arguably a bad man given some of the things that he did.
Death doesn’t change that.
Thank you, TM, for saving me the trouble.
Good post.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:20 am, vinny said:
Hell sure is a hot destination lately; First Ted Kennedy and now John Murtha. Maybe they can comfort each other.
Hot is right: The temp in hell probably went up a few hundred degrees when that alcohol fueled Kennedy made his grand entrance, and now Murtha joins the team! Sh*t burns hot and smelly.
I read that during the surgery, damage was done to Murtha’s intenstines…gee, what jokes could be made about that if someone wanted to do so….
“Faith comes not through pondering but through action. Not words and speculation but experience teaches us what God is. To let in fresh air we have to open a window; to get tanned we must go out into the sunshine. Achieving faith is no different; we never reach a goal by just sitting in comfort and waiting, say the holy Fathers.” –Tito Colliander, The Way of the Ascetics2
One thing is certain – John Murtha will receive a just and fair judgement when he stands before God. That’s more than he offered the Haditha marines. We can only hope he had an opportunity to square things before he left this world.
I’ll save my prayers for the Marines that that SOB tried to destroy.Also I hope he enjoys the heat in his new home.
This is such an unbelievable statement especially taking into the fact that those who say it generally don’t personally know what being a Christian is. It’s an ignorant statement at best.
Cheryl,
Good post on the Ascetics. Very much like James’ epistle. Faith works, that’s for sure.
The paradox – the mystery – is that you don’t HAVE to work to repent. Death bed salvation might be rare, but it’s not impossible.
Let’s hope that Murtha made amends. As importantly, it would be nice that if he did, he let his family know – and told them not to do as he had done…
Judge ye not, lest ye be judged. I leave any judgement to God and Murtha. It’s outside my capability. God sees far more and sees more intimately than the news and me. My prayers is for Joyce and the family. His soul is God’s business, not mine. I’m too busy working on my own soul.
Government health care ftw!
Not sure what soldiers you mean. However he slandered some Marines and for that he will forever be a crapweasel in this Marines eyes.
Yes, by simply “asking in faith” is action taken. God is in His heavens and people’s belief or lack thereof doesn’t change that. As an Orthodox, we pray for those who have departed this life. They are not dead, but they do not have the ability to “ask in faith” anymore, but we can always pray for God’s mercy on them. He is the greatest lover of mankind.
There is a natural problem with positing a good and omnipotent God in a world filled with evil. The only way to resolve the contradiction is to believe we deserve the evil done to us.
In my view that view is evil.
If there is a good God in this World, He is much more like Prometheus on the Rock or the mere mortal man Jesus on the Cross than like the careless “who do you think you are do you know who you are talking to” monster of the Book of Job.
In this world we must save Him. You all have it backwards.
Murtha was an animal. That was his choice. Now he is dust. He will never be anything more.
wow! Carry on, you don’t need a God, you are one. Your arrogance will put the nails in your coffin…
Why do you bother to comment when you do not even attempt to make sense?
Or do you think the best method of communication is to just trade insults?
doesn’t matter – I don’t serve you Roland….I don’t have to impress you. Why ask me or anyone any questions..don’t you already know everything? Anyway, carry on by all means…little Roland, posting on a little message board has EVERYTHING figured out. Why his wisdom and intellect and reasoning powers has it all down! In all the world, since the beginning of time, all the lives that have been lived…all the experiences that have been made…Roland knows more! Roland knows why he can’t be a Christian..it makes no sense to him!!!! Like I said…no insults here Roland..just the truth. I’m not interested in feeding your ego.
Kennedy … Murtha … Next? … almost seems like the Good Lord is implementing his version of Term Limits for us …
Misscheryl, I’m with you. Roland‘s primary obstacle to becoming a Christian isn’t some theological difficulty, but his own pride.
graysonret said:
In Matt. 7:1-5, Jesus still expects the Christian to see the speck in his brother’s eye, and to help remove it. James 5:19-20, Matt. 28:19-20, Jude 1:22-23, & many others makes it clear that Christians shouldn’t just be concerned about their own salvation, but the salvation of others, too.
Christians aren’t forbidden from judging, they are forbidden from judging hypocritically.
So now in addition to be insulting and uncommunicative you also choose to be a liar about it.
I guess I must have struck a nerve.
While I certainly can feel for the Murtha family who lost someone we assume they loved, and while I would never wish death on anyone, I can’t say that I’m sorry John Murtha is dead.
He was despicable, corrupt, and disrespectful. He stole money from the American people over and over again simply because he had the power to do so. PA residents might think that was a good thing, but it wasn’t because all states should be treated equally since all government money belongs to all of us. His comments on honorable Marines went way over the line. His lies and ridicule were not worthy of a man elected to public office.
But hide and watch the News Media turn Murtha into the same type of “saint” they did for Ted Murderer Kennedy.
…and, all the snow He is sending to DC is a message too. I think God is telling this Congress to SLOW DOWN AND STOP GIVING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE A SNOW JOB!!
And as for “whose next”? Probably Byrd. But it is anyone’s guess. We never know, do we?
You did strike a nerve Roland, your arrogance is your lie! When things get really tuff that your arrogance won’t serve you anymore..that’s when hopefully you will find out that maybe Christianity may just be for you after all. Up to you of course.
Sigh. My primary obstacle to becoming a Christian is what I said it was.
But if believing the ‘problem’ is my pride helps you to ignore what I said, go for it.
I haven’t had a chance to read all the comments yet. Is this thread turning into a Zeroangel-type Christian-bashing session? If so, maybe I will pass on reading the comments.
His politics were over the top for the last decade and offensive, but he also served in our nation’s military which gets my respect all the time. As with most people, there were peaks and valleys; good and bad in how they lived and what they did, and of course the perspective differs depending upon the perspective of the person commenting about him. Though I am admittedly indifferent to his passing, a feeling I have no real control over, and 100% because of his politics, I say RIP, and sincere condolences to his family who obviously are heartbroken now.
That usually can be found on Hotair with Allahpundit writing.
The Murtha family is in my thoughts and prayers during this time of loss.
However, I will not respect what this man did to fellow brothers in arms and will turn my back on his casket with a healthy bow showing the underside of my kilt to this “EX-Marine”!
GSP
If this post is offensive, consider the type of rhetoric dished out Ronald Reagan and is being routinely done to Sarah Palin or Rush.
Not to jump in the middle of this, but that’s the consequence of free-will; Adam and Eve kinda put us on that path a long time ago.
True. Which is why I don’t judge, because any judgement of mine will be hypocritical. I’m sure the Good Lord deems me imperfect. I certainly know I am.
Roland said:
Earlier you had a different obstacle to becoming a Christian. I refuted the obstacle. So did you say “Hmmm, I will have to rethink this”? No, you moved right on to another obstacle without batting an eye.
The problem of evil has been answered, and it does not hold up. If I were to bother to refute it, you’d likely do the same thing all over again, just come up with another obstacle, to infinity.
Wade said:
Which is why I don’t go to HA anymore. If AP doesn’t want to believe in God, fine, but don’t go around bashing people who do, just out of spite.
graysonret said:
Just because we are all sinners, that does not make all of our judgments hypocritical. If we have no basis in concluding that certain people are lost, then how are we to go about seeking and saving the lost?
Well if we’re going to throw Scripture around…..
1 Thess 5:19-22
Do not put out the Spirit’s fire; 20 do not treat prophecies with contempt. 21 Test everything. Hold on to the good. 22 Avoid every kind of evil.
NIV
How is one suppose to do that IF one can’t judge in any way shape or form.
The idea that as Christians the Bible prohibits us from judging is a perversion of Scripture and taking a verse here or there out of context.
Wait there’s more….
1 Thess 5:4-8
4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5 You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6 So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be alert and self-controlled. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8 But since we belong to the day, let us be self-controlled, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.
NIV
So how do we accomplish that without judging and judgment?
Sorry but here it is. Bottom line. As much as some folks just get all rubbed raw about the truth of it.
You either have Jesus or you don’t. You have Jesus, you are saved. You don’t have Jesus, you are not. I know, sounds so narrow minded and all arrogant like. But none-the-less it is true.
1 John 5:6-12
6 This is the one who came by water and blood — Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9 We accept man’s testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
NIV
Acts 4:8-12
8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: “Rulers and elders of the people! 9 If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a cripple and are asked how he was healed, 10 then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11 He is
“‘the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the capstone.’
12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”
NIV
You can now go back to taking Scripture out of context and trying to prove the mistaken belief that IF any Christian somehow judges, that Christian is a hypocrite and not following Biblical mandates.
There is another way to solve the “contradiction.” Keeping looking. You’ll get there. Be patient.
“The only way to resolve the contradiction is to believe we deserve the evil done to us.”
Or just maybe we don’t deserve the good done for us?
I for one am very glad I do not get the evil I most certainly and knowingly deserve……..
I wonder if the left is going to try, “This is Murtha’s seat…” rhetoric this time too?
Twist not Scripture, lest ye be the devil.
Then the Dems should fill the seat with a Jihadist insurgent.
If only the new healthcare legislation had passed, this would never have happened:
Rep. Bob Brady, Pennsylvania congressman and longtime friend of the late Rep. John Murtha says says Murtha’s large intestine was damaged during gallbladder surgery and an infection developed which led him to be hospitalized. The gallbladder surgery was performed days earlier at the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Md.
There goes tort reform.
My mother walked into the doctors office with what she thought was gall stones and walked out with gall bladder cancer. Two months later she was gone. There is no cure once it spreads to the liver and theres no way to tell you have a problem until you feel the pain. It kills too quickly, but even so, Rep Murtha got the easy way out (allowing for the mistake)
Thank you for the condescension, Flyoverman. Your contribution helps almost as much as MissCheryl’s insights.
BTW, Trollman, you did not remove the obstacle. You did not in fact address it. You merely stated something that was plainly not true.
Christians believe we all deserve the pain. Or they believe God loathes us enough to let others torture us horribly even though it is fully within his power to stop them. Or both.
BTW, Murtha chose to be an animal. He will just rot in the ground, God or not.
“Christians believe we all deserve the pain. Or they believe God loathes us enough to let others torture us horribly even though it is fully within his power to stop them. Or both.”
Wow, that is way wrong.
Right you are, jsm.
And thank you, too, JSM, for your additional insight.
Does anyone commenting on this blog have any idea how to actually use language to, you know, like, communicate??
See, JSM, if you think something someone else has said in good faith is ‘wrong,’ then you tell them why you think it is wrong.
Like you could say, “Now, Roland, I don’t think God actually wants us to get mangled and torn to bits screaming, but he knows it’s good for us to once in a while get our flesh drilled and our bodies skinned while we are alive, so he lets the jihadists and the like do that kind of thing to us occasionally, just so we can develop character.”
Does anyone here want to try it?
It is always interesting to me that some folks find a way to blame the very God who paid the price to redeem them for the fact they they themselves and our world need to be redeemed in the first place.
Interesting logic. Quite sad. But interesting.
Roland, bless your heart. You don’t know the first thing about Christians or their beliefs.
“if you think something someone else has said in good faith is ‘wrong,’ then you tell them why you think it is wrong.”
I do believe I posted some very clear Scripture that speaks for itself on the matter Roland. Take it up with God my friend. I have no desire to talk you into or out of anything.
If you think that is an indication of some flaw with me, oh well. Such is life.
So we needed redeeming even though God made us this way? We do deserve it? The drills and skinning and hellfire and all that?
Sorry, but I’m not a blind believer in your scripture. It has to make sense. That’s the whole point I have been getting at here. An all powerful, all good God of the world doesn’t fit with an evil world no matter what scripture says.
Ah so the problem is the SOURCE of my information now Roland?
There is only one sin in Scripture that is unforgivable, or unpardonable Roland. And the best way to describe that sin is when a person twists good and bad around so much that they attribute bad to God. They are so skewed they can’t see the good right in front of them.
Matthew 12:31-2
“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come”
Your posts Roland, describe what the unpardonable sin looks like.
Take your beef up with the God who loves you and died, suffered unbelievably, for you.
I see ….. so the only unpardonable sin in scripture is questioning scripture, whether or not the scripture makes any sense to a person.
There’s a conversation stopper, fer sure.
BTW, I wasn’t attributing evil to God. I was accepting the notion of the existence of an all good God, and then pointing out that such a God cannot logically be all powerful within an evil world.
“I see ….. so the only unpardonable sin is scripture is questioning scripture”
Ah now I see. You don’t want to read what’s posted so you can continue the argument with yourself.
Feel free….
Roland all you are doing is what any person whose mind is already made up does. You create what you are certain are these “either or” or scenarios, you imagine that you have determined some absolute truth, and then when something doesn’t fit into your precepts, you decide a thing is true or not true.
Its really sophomoric. Quite common. Its on display most clearly in this sentence of yours.
“such a God cannot logically be all powerful within an evil world.”
So YOUR framing is THE framing and so given YOUR framing, mindset, precept, you then conclude your belief system is “more” correct that what you misrepresent as “Christian”.
One of the other characteristics of the unpardonable sin is when a person is so full of themselves and so certain of themselves no other possible framings of matters can possibly exist.
Like I said friend, you are spot on for the person who even though God is at the ready to redeem, YOU keep Him from doing so…..
That is why it is an unforgivable sin.
Seems to me though with your precepts why would you care one way or the other to even want to consider it?
Like when an atheist tries to talk me out of my faith. If there is no God, what difference does it make what I believe?
I’m off to watch Cavuto.
So I am here trying to get you and others to present some other kind of framing of reality that is rationally consistent, while you and others mock me and belittle me and finally accuse me of the ‘unpardonable sin,’ …….
but I am the one who “is so full of themselves and so certain of themselves no other possible framings of matters can possibly exist.”
You are an excellent example of a religious literalist with a sealed shut mind.
So combative! It is as if what I said earlier was true, this is all a facade to rationalize one’s disbelief.
Seriously, the argument from evil is old. The only reason it is still around is due to the emotional appeal, because the actual logic doesn’t hold up. It has been ably addressed all over the place. Surely you can come up with a better objection?
Matthew 7:6 – more proof that Jesus knew what He was talking about.
It’s older than the Book of Job. And it’s never been rationally answered because there is no rational answer that does not involve admitting that other than for acting through us, God is powerless to help us in this world.
No lightning strikes. No parting of seas. No shaking of the ground. No giving your enemy blindness at a propitious moment.
Only inner strength and wisdom.
Primitive religion is all about whose ‘volcano’ God has the biggest whang, so that apparent lack of earthly power cannot be admitted.
Saying your God can’t smite your enemies, but He will win in the end anyway just doesn’t hack it with primitive types.
Sadly, humans are almost all primitive in their thinking. All emotion. You cling to the Big Power.
Did someone call my name?
This hypocrisy right here (from Trollman) sums up the whole idiocy of this argument:
The atheists are doing the bashing? This coming from a person who point blank calls atheists evil simply for not believing and claims that the creator of the universe will torture us for eternity.
Riiight… no spite or malice there.
Flyoverman:
For you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQJrud71gL8
…I doubt it will change your mind, but it might give you some perspective. Enjoy!
PS. Apparently it is the end of a series that might be worth a look as well.
There seems to be quite a crowd, Misscheryl. Are you in the middle of that?
Condolences to deadguy’s family.
The sigh of relief you’re hearing comes from the Memorial at Quantico.
ECS
Roland, I’m sorry that jsmiddleton4 and others haven’t presented you with a framing of reality that you consider rationally consistent. You might just have to accept that you might not receive such a presentation here.
It gives the perspective of someone that chose to be such a slave to Occum’s Razor that he decided he had insufficient motivation to believe in God.
I assume this guy knows that Occum’s Razor often leads to incorrect explanations – sometimes the correct explanation is more complicated than an incorrect explanation.
corkie:
Remind me, didn’t you yourself agree last time this subject came up that belief in god (any god) is irrational (or was it illogical) ?
OK, I went back and checked. You seemed to agree that religion at it’s core is “illogical” you claimed it was a better descriptor.
I thought it was clear I didn’t actually expect to get a rational framing from them.
However, rational discussion can only begin when you hold out the possibility the other party(ies) are engaging in rational dialogue of some sort. Then you seek to understand how they frame a rationally consistent view, even if it involves different assumptions than you have.
I was doing that with them. They were not doing that with me. Nor did you.
Try telling me what you really think sometime, corkie. Try building a rational argument. You just saying my arguments are weak or that I’m too stupid to understand gets old and boring fast.
If you are too stupid to understand my arguments so you feel compelled to insult me instead of responding to the arguments, then you really should just keep your mouth shut.
Yes, I myself agree that religion doesn’t always observe the principles of conventional logic.
I assume that “you” doesn’t mean me.