Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar: Captured

By Michelle Malkin  •  February 16, 2010 07:48 AM

So, apparently a top Taliban commander has been captured in a joint secret operation by Pakistan and the U.S. He is apparently a big, big fish and reportedly is being interrogated by officials from both countries:

The commander, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, is an Afghan described by American officials as the most significant Taliban figure to be detained since the American-led war in Afghanistan started more than eight years ago. He ranks second in influence only to Mullah Muhammad Omar, the Taliban’s founder and a close associate of Osama bin Laden before the Sept. 11 attacks.

Mullah Baradar has been in Pakistani custody for several days, with American and Pakistani intelligence officials both taking part in interrogations, according to the officials.

It was unclear whether he was talking, but the officials said his capture had provided a window into the Taliban and could lead to other senior officials. Most immediately, they hope he will provide the whereabouts of Mullah Omar, the one-eyed cleric who is the group’s spiritual leader.

Disclosure of Mullah Baradar’s capture came as American and Afghan forces were in the midst of a major offensive in southern Afghanistan.

His capture could cripple the Taliban’s military operations, at least in the short term, said Bruce O. Riedel, a former C.I.A. officer who last spring led the Obama administration’s Afghanistan and Pakistan policy review.

Details of the raid remain murky, but officials said that it had been carried out by Pakistan’s military spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, and that C.I.A. operatives had accompanied the Pakistanis.

…The officials said that Pakistan was leading the interrogation of Mullah Baradar, but that Americans were also involved. The conditions of the questioning are unclear. In its first week in office, the Obama administration banned harsh interrogations like waterboarding by Americans, but the Pakistanis have long been known to subject prisoners to brutal questioning.

Two quick questions:

What would Eric Holder say?

And if capturing this jihadi in a violent raid is worth trumpeting and celebrating, why doesn’t the Obama administration free the Navy SEALS who are accused of far less in their battle against terrorism in Iraq?

Wait, one more question. Check this out:

The New York Times learned of the operation on Thursday, but delayed reporting it at the request of White House officials, who contended that making it public would end a hugely successful intelligence-gathering effort. The officials said that the group’s leaders had been unaware of Mullah Baradar’s capture and that if it became public they might cover their tracks and become more careful about communicating with each other.

The Times is publishing the news now because White House officials acknowledged that the capture of Mullah Baradar was becoming widely known in the region.

Fancy that. The terror-tipping NYT blabbermouths who repeatedly undermined national security during the Bush years by disclosing sensitive/classified information about many key counterrorism programs are now sensitive to ongoing counterterrorism operations. The paper that went to court to force the government to release classified information about jihadis and has shown reckless disregard for the consequences of disclosure is now delaying reports at the request of White House officials.

How generous and patriotic of the Fishwrap of Record to see the light, isn’t it?

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  1. #1
    On February 16th, 2010 at 7:54 am, GladzKravtz said:

    joint secret operation by Pakistan and the U.S.

    Money exchanged?

  2. #2
    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:05 am, Ron said:

    What Would Holder Due (WWHD)? Obvious. He’d cluck-cluck, Mirandize and let this jihadi lawyer up. The thing we have to worry about is the US insisting they should get custody and wisk him to NYC for trial.

  3. #3
    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:07 am, swede said:

    How generous and patriotic of the Fishwrap of Record to see the light, isn’t it?

    Not so much.

    Bush captures Taliban leader: Evil imperialist opresses freedom fighter.

    ObaMao captures Taliban leader: Dear Leader saves us from evil.

    Next Napolitano will take credit for nabbing Baradar. “The system worked” don’tcha know.

  4. #4
    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:13 am, DesertLover said:

    Great News … now get all the information that can be extracted and then execute him … do not let this administration get their 9/10 mentality hands on this guy …

    Amazing about face by NYT …

    if this had been during the Bush years it would have been all over the front page condemning Bush and exposing everything the minute they found out about the capture … but since they want to protect BO at all costs they keep it under “fish” wraps until The One says it is okay to print …

    and they wonder why they are going out of business in the newspaper world? … sheesh :sad:

  5. #5
    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:20 am, Marc said:

    Will any MSM reporters ask Obama or Holder the following questions: Have you advised American intelligence officials in Pakistan to tell the Pakistanis not to use harsh interrogation techniques on Baradar? Do you, Mr. Holder, rule out using anything gained from Baradar by the Pakistanis from any trial that the US might eventually hold for Baradar? Do you Mr. Holder now tell the Pakistanis that they much give Baradar a civilian trial? Finally, one question that nobody has bothered to ask Holder? Will you rule out a civilian trial in NYC for Osama Ben Laden if we catch him? Can you assure us that Ben Laden won’t be taken to the federal pen in NYC and given a civilian trial with all the rights of American citizens? When Holder was asked about giving Ben Laden a civilian trial for 9/11, Holder was allowed to get away with saying: “That’s an interesting question”. Holder gave more thought to giving pardons for Clinton cronies that Holder arranged pardons for.

  6. #6
    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:22 am, jangar said:

    He is apparently a big, big fish and reportedly is being interrogated by officials from both countries

    How many lawyers does he have?

  7. #7
    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:24 am, Virginia Patriot said:

    Did they read him his rights?

    I’m sure he has a lawyer by now.

    .45 acp rounds-30 cents
    Dead terrorist-priceless

  8. #8
    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:25 am, Marc said:

    I forgot to mention that the NY Times has yet another ethics scandal brewing. In Monday’s editor’s note, the Times mentioned that one of its reporters has a habit of “appropriating” the words of the WSJ and other newspapers. The NYT won’t use the real word: steal.
    Not much changes at the Times: Walter Duranty fronting for Stalin, Jayson Blair just making up stuff, Roger Cohen fronting for the government of Iran under Ahmedinejad and now this. Granted, Roger Cohen is the worst scandal at that awful newspaper but the new one brewing is going to be bad.

  9. #9
    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:38 am, cabrerski said:

    Holder: “Mr. Abdul Ghani Baradar, you have the right to remain silent…please do otherwise you will spoil our plans. We do not need any additional help in making America look bad.”

  10. #10
    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:39 am, Regulus said:

    What would Eric Holder say?

    We already know what he’d say. That’s why the goon is being kept in Pakistan.

    And if capturing this jihadi in a violent raid is worth trumpeting and celebrating, why doesn’t the Obama administration free the Navy SEALS who are accused of far less in their battle against terrorism in Iraq?

    Not that again… There is no logical or even common-sense connection to be made here. Not even an apples-vs-oranges one. The SEALs as military men are a matter solely within the purview of the UCMJ. The Taliban goon is where he belongs, in the tender hands of the CIA and the Pakistani ISI — neither of which have even a tangential relationship to the UCMJ.

    And that’s a good thing: frankly, I hope they’re abusing the crap out of him in whatever hole in the ground they’re keeping him.

    As to the third question, that’s easy: The NYT is a donk mouthpiece. Nothing more. When the donks are out of power, it joins them in the Disloyal Minority; when the donks worm their way into power, they become loyal again. Couldn’t be any simpler.

  11. #11
    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:42 am, zyzzyg said:

    What would Eric Holder say?

    He would no doubt be happy as every American would be, and he would say that had Baradar been captured on US soil he would have been arrested and read his miranda rights.

    [Note: Miranda protects you from saying anything against yourself, but there is no provision to prevent you from saying anything about others.]

    How generous and patriotic of the Fishwrap of Record to see the light, isn’t it?

    This isn’t the first time that the NYT has withheld reporting at the request of the Government (over many Administrations), and it won’t be the last.

    Yes, the NYT has moved forward on reporting a story against the wishes of the Government (over many Administrations), and it won’t be the last.

    For all it’s flaws and benefits, I like our system of press (media). You know ‘freedom of’ . . . and, all that sort of thing.

  12. #12
    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:43 am, NavyTim said:

    I’m confused. Marcha Coakley said the Taliban were gone, they are no longer in the Afghanistan area ?

  13. #13
    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:44 am, NavyTim said:

    Marcha…

    Marsha

  14. #14
    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:45 am, jangar said:

    With the CIA in Obama’s crosshairs, I don’t see much valuable information coming out of this thug. Somebody prove to me that the CIA is anywhere near this guy, and what manner of interrogation is being used.

  15. #15
    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:48 am, TigerLady said:

    http://For all it’s flaws and benefits, I like our system of press (media). You know ‘freedom of’ . . . and, all that sort of thing./

    Oh, yes, the integrity of the press is breath taking…or it takes my breath away. //snark.

  16. #16
    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:51 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    The New York Times learned of the operation on Thursday, but delayed reporting it at the request of White House officials, who contended that making it public would end a hugely successful intelligence-gathering effort.

    Whatever happened to the people’s right to know? How about a little consistency please! That paper ain’t worth rolling up to wack a puppy peeing on a rug!

  17. #17
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:02 am, WarEagle82 said:

    How long before the DoJ brings the CIA agents involved in this operation up on charges? After all, they may not have said “please” and “may I.” We all know Obama and Holder believe etiquette counts in counter-terrorist operations over-seas contingency operations…

  18. #18
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:02 am, TigerLady said:

    That paper ain’t worth rolling up to wack a puppy peeing on a rug!

    But could be worth the puppy peeing on…isn’t that yellow journalism?

  19. #19
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:05 am, jangar said:

    What would Eric Holder say?

    He would no doubt be happy as every American would be

    Headline:

    Zyzzyg Takes Gold In Mental Gymnastics Event

  20. #20
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:09 am, zorro said:

    The capture is being reported as an “arrest”! Kudos to our brave fighting men and women, may God continue to Bless them all.

    As for the NYT, well, I intend to celebrate the day they close the doors. In my view they are a fifth column for the anti-American crowd.

  21. #21
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:09 am, mytake said:

    Pakistan caught him. He is their prisoner. Won’t they be in charge of interrogation and sentencing? Maybe he will be hung in a town square. Sometimes an eye for an eye seems to be just, Eric.

  22. #22
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:13 am, vickisoup said:

    Now where did I leave that pesky waterboard???
    8)

  23. #23
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:14 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Marsha Coakley said the Taliban were gone,

    Even the people in Massachusetts didn’t seem to buy that one.

  24. #24
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:19 am, Trollman said:

    Well, I do hope this Taliban guy was properly mirandized.

    So when is he going to be flown to NYC for his civilian trial?

  25. #25
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:20 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:02 am, TigerLady said:
    But could be worth the puppy peeing on…isn’t that yellow journalism?

    It’s all yellow journalism! You can’t tell if the poor puppy went or not.

  26. #26
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:25 am, jangar said:

    Well, I do hope this Taliban guy was properly mirandized.

    So when is he going to be flown to NYC for his civilian trial?

    Waiting on word from Robert Gibbs to officially declare conviction…

  27. #27
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:31 am, graysonret said:

    NYT is notorious for pushing its far left agenda, rather than support the troops and country. It isn’t a newspaper; just a radical rag. But, newspapers have a history of exposing secrets for profit. The Chicago Tribune once printed a story exposing that the U.S. had broken ju-25, the Japanese code. The government squashed it immediately. Fortunately, the Japanese did’t read the Tribune.

  28. #28
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:31 am, jsr said:

    The New York Times learned of the operation on Thursday, but delayed reporting it at the request of White House officials

    I think request is the wrong word. Does anybody request that their lap dog not pee on the rug? More likely the White house directed (or ordered) that the report be delayed.

  29. #29
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:35 am, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    The Pakis don’t treat terrorists with the same compassion and legal restraints that the USA does. I suspect that waterboarding is a rather mild way of getting the information needed.

  30. #30
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:35 am, prendad said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:48 am, TigerLady said:
    Oh, yes, the integrity of the press is breath taking…or it takes my breath away. //snark.

    ditto “gasp” and “snark”.

  31. #31
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:40 am, corkie said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:42 am, zyzzyg said:

    [Note: Miranda protects you from saying anything against yourself, but there is no provision to prevent you from saying anything about others.]

    What are you talking about?

    Miranda rights don’t “protect” from anything.

    Miranda rights simply inform an arrested individual that they have the right to remain completely silent.

    Got that? The right to remain completely silent means that they don’t have to say anything about anyone.

  32. #32
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:44 am, corkie said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:42 am, zyzzyg said:

    he would say that had Baradar been captured on US soil he would have been arrested and read his miranda rights.

    Really? So you know that Holder doesn’t want to prosecute Baradar in a US Court? If so, then what does Holder envision for this guy? Indefinite detainment?

  33. #33
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:44 am, ThackerAgency said:

    This has CIA written all over it. The ISI likely had very little to do with this.

    But here we have the question again. . . why not read him his rights and give him a lawyer? Eric Holder? Obama? Gibbs? Why aren’t you crying and screaming that he get a civilian trial with presumption of innocence?

    If he’s getting interrogated, I hope that is when they let the ISI operate. I would hate for America to look bad because they interrogated someone who was trying to destroy America and kill Americans.

    In my opinion we should be running Pakistan the way we ran Iraq. But good job to those in the field working hard.

  34. #34
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:44 am, jangar said:

    The New York Times learned of the operation on Thursday, but delayed reporting it at the request of White House officials

    Only now do they find a WH to cooperate with. How unique :shock:

  35. #35
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:49 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    What would Eric Holder say?

    He would no doubt be happy as every American would be

    I need more evidence that he’s an American.

  36. #36
    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:58 am, Flyoverman said:

    With the Pakistani ISA doing the interrogation Mullah Baradar is undoubtedluy not having a whole lot of fun and is singing like a bird.

    Sucks to be him.

  37. #37
    On February 16th, 2010 at 10:01 am, GladzKravtz said:

    What would Eric Holder say?

    Captured on American soil – give them to the civilian courts
    Captured in Afghanistan – let some stay in Gitmo with the military (indefinitely?), send some to NYC for civilian trial, send some to countries outside the US.
    Captured in Pakistani – use the above hard and fast rules. /sarc

  38. #38
    On February 16th, 2010 at 10:02 am, kilroyshere said:

    I wonder:

    Have they informed him he’d NOT be going to Gitmo?

    His meals are religiously correct while our soldiers barely get MRE’s.

    When will Obama claim our Special Forces “acted stupidly” to appease angry Muslims?

    The captured knows he’ll not be interrogated under any stress and thus, he has ZERO incentive to cooperate and will not.

    I’m certain this captured Taliban responded to his captors: “f__k you and may your mother give birth to a pig” in Pashtun and then spat on the American official who read him his Miranda rights.

    Yet; I’m certain an Obama Regime spokesman will report the captured Taliban is “fully cooperating, happy and giving a lot of valuable, actionable intel.”

    What court/city will they send him to prosecute this guy?

    Has Obama sent his regards to the captured with offer for chai together in the Rose Garden soon?

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  39. #39
    On February 16th, 2010 at 10:02 am, redc1c4 said:

    might as well release him now: we’ve already violated his civil rights….

  40. #40
    On February 16th, 2010 at 10:03 am, WarEagle82 said:

    I agree that the Paks aren’t likely to engage in the same kind of kid-gloves treatment that the US employs. After a few sessions with “Mr DieHard” or “Mr. Duralast” I think Mr. Baradar will be begging for Gitmo and three Halal meals a day.

    As for me, I still think a fitting sentence would be to perform sex reassignment surgery on the bugger and send him off to Saudi to live the rest of his life…

  41. #41
    On February 16th, 2010 at 10:04 am, Flyoverman said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 10:01 am, GladzKravtz said:

    Captured in Pakistan – use the above hard and fast rules. /sarc

    Nope, John Wayne Country….

    “Out here due process is a bullet.”

  42. #42
    On February 16th, 2010 at 10:05 am, GladzKravtz said:

    “Out here due process is a bullet.”

    What Eric doesn’t know won’t hurt him. :smile:

  43. #43
    On February 16th, 2010 at 10:17 am, RedDog said:

    So, apparently a top Taliban commander has been captured in a joint secret operation by Pakistan and the U.S.

    What do you want to bet that he mysteriously “escapes” in a few months.Pakistan is another Yemen in this regard.

  44. #44
    On February 16th, 2010 at 10:19 am, RedDog said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:49 am, Rogue Cheddar said:
    What would Eric Holder say? He would no doubt be happy as every American would be

    I need more evidence that he’s an American.

    HAHAHAHA…. perfect.

  45. #45
    On February 16th, 2010 at 10:28 am, b-cat said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:42 am, zyzzyg said:
    For all it’s flaws and benefits, I like our system of press (media). You know ‘freedom of’ . . . and, all that sort of thing.

    Just a few days ago you wanted proof about all our intelligence operations and their effectiveness.

  46. #46
    On February 16th, 2010 at 10:33 am, corkie said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:42 am, zyzzyg said:

    This isn’t the first time that the NYT has withheld reporting at the request of the Government (over many Administrations), and it won’t be the last.

    Yes, the NYT has now made it clear that it will work with liberal admins and disregard requests from conservative admins – even if it means putting lives in danger.

  47. #47
    On February 16th, 2010 at 10:46 am, J S Ragman said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 8:45 am, jangar said:
    With the CIA in Obama’s crosshairs, I don’t see much valuable information coming out of this thug. Somebody prove to me that the CIA is anywhere near this guy, and what manner of interrogation is being used.

    Not so fast, Jangar, maybe this guy knows something about global warming.

  48. #48
    On February 16th, 2010 at 10:46 am, zyzzyg said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 9:49 am, Rogue Cheddar said: #40

    I need more evidence that he’s an American.

    LOL.

    Not another birth certificate issue!

  49. #49
    On February 16th, 2010 at 10:54 am, zyzzyg said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 10:28 am, b-cat said: #50

    Just a few days ago you wanted proof about all our intelligence operations and their effectiveness.

    Yes, and I will want proof of our intelligence operation’s effectiveness in the future, as well.

    Having results and proof are good things to know.

  50. #50
    On February 16th, 2010 at 11:09 am, DBNinKY said:

    Yes, the NYT has moved forward on reporting a story against the wishes of the Government (over many Administrations), and it won’t be the last.

    Are you truly this blind to the NYT’s flagrant partisanship – a partisanship that puts our nation and soldiers at risk, depending on which party holds the WH – or just being your usual disingenuous, distractionary self?

  51. #51
    On February 16th, 2010 at 11:13 am, b-cat said:

    or just being your usual disingenuous, distractionary self?

    It is hard to figure out what that poster’s position is, as the comments are often contradictory.

  52. #52
    On February 16th, 2010 at 11:18 am, WarEagle82 said:

    Well, I am sure the Obama administration is contemplating opening up the vaults on all CIA operations during the Bush years. I mean this will be necessary to prosecute, or rather persecute, their political opponents. How else is Obama going to turn over Bush and Cheney to the International Court of Justice for war crimes trials?

    Then wiggy ziggy can measure the effectiveness of lots of CIA operations and programs. Never mind if it destroys our intelligence agencies…

  53. #53
    On February 16th, 2010 at 11:18 am, DBNinKY said:

    …the comments are often contradictory.

    And w/o fail! S/he needs to realize that no one here is going to continue engaging someone who is on all sides of an issue. It’s so futile, why bother?

  54. #54
    On February 16th, 2010 at 11:25 am, WarEagle82 said:

    Cognitive dissonance is very big with lefties. They most often call it nuance and just act like conservatives are too stupid to get it.

    After all, “Congress shall make no law…” seems to elude most lefties so what else should we expect.

  55. #55
    On February 16th, 2010 at 11:47 am, cheapseat said:

    I hope that between our cia sitting this guy in the comfy chair and asking him questions, the ISI is sitting him in the James Bond chair and whacking his ghones with a big knotted rope. A little fire and ice don’t you know. Once the Taliban started bombing paki buildings and people, I knew it wouldn’t take long for the paki gubmint to come to the conclusion these (_*_)s were bad news and needed killing. Good riddance to bad trash for those Washington D.C. morons who went to be heroes for the motherland.

  56. #56
    On February 16th, 2010 at 11:47 am, Wade said:

    What would Eric Holder say?

    “Isn’t Pakistan on of the 58 States”?

  57. #57
    On February 16th, 2010 at 11:53 am, DBNinKY said:

    The paper that went to court to force the government to release classified information about jihadis and has shown reckless disregard for the consequences of disclosure is now delaying reports at the request of White House officials.

    Aren’t credibility and impartiality supposed to be intertwined? I mean how can anyone take the NYT seriously, when there’s this glaring example of partisanship against them.

  58. #58
    On February 16th, 2010 at 11:59 am, zyzzyg said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 11:09 am, DBNinKY said: #56

    Are you truly this blind to the NYT’s flagrant partisanship – a partisanship that puts our nation and soldiers at risk, depending on which party holds the WH – or just being your usual disingenuous, distractionary self?

    Are you blind, or did you not just read what I wrote? Or, is it your lack of reading comprehension?

    It is all media with regard to all Administrations that choose to respond positively, or negatively, to a request not publish a story.

    It isn’t about partisanship.

    All media outlets publish stories ‘on background’, for all administrations, which means there is no attribution to the person being quoted. Yep, I will speak to you, but you have to agree not say who is telling the story. Is this wrong, of all media, to withhold the name of the person being quoted because they requested it?

    Yes, there is right and wrong. Yes, there are negative and positive impacts of publishing a particular story.

    When MM went to Iraq, did she withhold some of her reporting at the request of the military, and then publish it upon her return?

    I’ll say it again. I like our system of media, warts and all.

  59. #59
    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:11 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 11:18 am, WarEagle82 said: #58

    I do not take you seriously because you are incapable of addressing anything directly.

    See posts #44 and #45 from this link.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2010/02/02/obama-to-bring-reverse-midas-touch-to-australia-indonesia/

    When, and if, you should ever become serious I will engage you in the future, otherwise avoid commenting on what I post.

  60. #60
    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:13 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Our problem is “reading comprehension.” This from someone who as a “logic comprehension” problem. Yep, we conservatives are just too stupid to get the multi-layered nuance of the NYT and simply see it as gross partisanship…

  61. #61
    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:15 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Oh, and now wiggy ziggy tells me I can’t comment on his posts.

    Holy Cow! Wiggy Ziggy IS Obama, or at least Robert Gibbs…

  62. #62
    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:18 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 11:13 am, b-cat said: #57

    It is hard to figure out what that poster’s position is, as the comments are often contradictory.

    Easy to say, difficult to prove.

    Though I doubt you have the capacity to prove anything, let alone what is contradictory. If you possess the cajones, de-construct what was said that is contradictory.

    Throwing out accusations without proof is a demostration of the lack of substance, and mere speculation.

    Results and proof are a good thing. Do you agree, or disagree?

  63. #63
    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:21 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Exposing details of intelligence operations puts agents and methods and current and pending operations at risk. It destroys the intelligence capabilities of a nation. Any reasonable person would know that. That explains why wiggy ziggy does not get it…

  64. #64
    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:24 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    …The officials said that Pakistan was leading the interrogation of Mullah Baradar, but that Americans were also involved. The conditions of the questioning are unclear.

    Them: “Tell us where bin Laden is hiding!”

    Holder’s lackey: “Please. You must say please and thank you.”

    Them: “We will beat you!”

    Holder’s lackey. “At checkers he means – do not worry about your physical well being.”

    Him: “Fink you, you N-word.”

    Holder’s lackey: “What – you son of a camel lover (whack, whack, whack…)”

  65. #65
    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:25 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    How many lawyers does he have?

    That big old firm that Holder loves – including one former Homeland Security Chief…

  66. #66
    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:27 pm, DBNinKY said:

    Or, is it your lack of reading comprehension?

    Oh definitely – I only taught reading (comp & fluency) for twelve years!

    It is all media with regard to all Administrations that choose to respond positively, or negatively, to a request not publish a story.

    It isn’t about partisanship.

    And you don’t see how the former completely negates the latter? How you are deliberately blinding yourself to the hypocrisy of the NYT claiming to be a legitimate, balanced paper of record, while it cherry picks which administration’s secrets to print? Well then I’m sorry to have engaged you on this issue.

  67. #67
    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:31 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:15 pm, WarEagle82 said: #67

    Oh, and now wiggy ziggy tells me I can’t comment on his posts.

    Holy Cow! Wiggy Ziggy IS Obama, or at least Robert Gibbs…

    I did not think it would be this easy to prove my point, that you do not address issues directly.

    I did not use the word ‘can’t’ I said avoid. Like it or not, there is a difference.

    There is no way for me to prevent you from commenting on what I say.

    Please continue to make up in your own little mind the narrative that makes you feel most comfortable, the facts will not change, substance will still exist and guessing (or speculating) in the face of knowledge is less than helpful.

  68. #68
    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:48 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    wiggy ziggy,

    If you EVER BECOME serious we are all likely to have massive coronaries and won’t be able to respond…

    Why don’t you avoid cognitive dissonance for a bit and we’ll see how that works out. I am betting you CAN’T…

  69. #69
    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:50 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:27 pm, DBNinKY said: #72

    Oh definitely – I only taught reading (comp & fluency) for twelve years!

    Based on what you have said in response to my posts, that is difficult to believe.

    And you don’t see how the former completely negates the latter? How you are deliberately blinding yourself to the hypocrisy of the NYT claiming to be a legitimate, balanced paper of record, while it cherry picks which administration’s secrets to print? Well then I’m sorry to have engaged you on this issue.

    The NYT (all media) has withheld publishing information at the request of many Administrations.

    The NYT (all media) has published information despite the request of many Administrations.

    The word ‘Administrations’ is plural. The Administrations can be Republican or Democrat.

    The word ‘Media’ is plural. The Media can be the WSJ to the NYT.

    Sometimes the media publishes, and sometimes it doesn’t, at the request of any Administration.

    Yes, there is cherry picking. And, it is done all the time by all the media for all administrations.

    Questions from post #64 that you did not address. Will you do so now? ‘I dont know,’ is an acceptable answer.

    All media outlets publish stories ‘on background’, for all administrations, which means there is no attribution to the person being quoted. Yep, I will speak to you, but you have to agree not say who is telling the story. Is this wrong, of all media, to withhold the name of the person being quoted because they requested it?

    When MM went to Iraq, did she withhold some of her reporting at the request of the military, and then publish it upon her return?

  70. #70
    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:58 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:48 pm, WarEagle82 said: #74

    wiggy ziggy,

    If you EVER BECOME serious we are all likely to have massive coronaries and won’t be able to respond…

    Why don’t you avoid cognitive dissonance for a bit and we’ll see how that works out. I am betting you CAN’T…

    Yet again you make it too easy to demonstrate why you should not be taken seriouusly.

    You’re not even addressing or acknowledging ‘can’t’ versus ‘avoid’.

    Changing the subject, taking a tangent, mischaracterizing and mirepresenting what is being said is why I do not take you seriously.

    Have a nice day.

  71. #71
    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:59 pm, jlhudg23 said:

    Question: I thought the only reason the Dems were “in favor of” military operations in Afghanistan was to capture Bin Laden. How can they now justify going after the Taliban. After all, the Taliban didn’t attack us on 9/11.

  72. #72
    On February 16th, 2010 at 1:19 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 12:50 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Without regard to what the media does or does not publish for an administration, the refusal of the bulk of the MSM to do any serious reporting on the massive scandal that is sometimes referred to as ClimateGate to me proves beyond any doubt as to the partisan, agenda driven focus the MSM has willingly adopted.

    What my fellow posters are implying is the MSM has thoroughly discredited themselves and deserve no professional respect.

    I agree with that premise. You should be very afraid of a media that is in partnership with any government, any administration. Their role should be to report (commentary being separate) the facts for the people.

  73. #73
    On February 16th, 2010 at 1:35 pm, corkie said:

    zyzzyg,

    I’ll make this easy for you.

    The NYT will NOT sit on any story at the request of a Republican admin.

    The NYT will sit on any story at the request of Obama’s admin.

    The NYT doesn’t care about the lives of our military/intelligence forces. The NYT cares about advancing a liberal agenda.

  74. #74
    On February 16th, 2010 at 2:08 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    I doubt that wiggy ziggy knows the word but he certainly demonstrates it well: pedantic.

    wiggy ziggy is obviously a product of some of America’s worst public schools…

  75. #75
    On February 16th, 2010 at 2:13 pm, chapoutier said:

    The NYT will NOT sit on any story at the request of a Republican admin.

    Untrue.

    U.S. Secretly Aids Pakistan in Guarding Nuclear Arms

    The New York Times has known details of the secret program for more than three years, based on interviews with a range of American officials and nuclear experts, some of whom were concerned that Pakistan’s arsenal remained vulnerable. The newspaper agreed to delay publication of the article after considering a request from the Bush administration, which argued that premature disclosure could hurt the effort to secure the weapons.

    Bush Lets U.S. Spy on Callers Without Courts

    The White House asked The New York Times not to publish this article, arguing that it could jeopardize continuing investigations and alert would-be terrorists that they might be under scrutiny. After meeting with senior administration officials to hear their concerns, the newspaper delayed publication for a year to conduct additional reporting. Some information that administration officials argued could be useful to terrorists has been omitted.

  76. #76
    On February 16th, 2010 at 2:15 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 2:08 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    pedantic

    Holy Bill O’Reilly, Batman!

  77. #77
    On February 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah I hate the NY Slimes cuz it leaves printers ink on my bumhole! Its not good for much else.

  78. #78
    On February 16th, 2010 at 2:45 pm, sdillard said:

    YES,YES,YES!!!!!

    I live in California and I will fall down on the ground and give thanks the day this woman is DEFEATED!!!

    She has been an embarrassment to the stae for years. Please PLEASE let’s get rid of her now. Please.

  79. #79
    On February 16th, 2010 at 2:47 pm, sdillard said:

    Sorry! Wrong thread, my mistake.

  80. #80
    On February 16th, 2010 at 3:12 pm, simcoe said:

    Recommend keeping him under the control of the military. Do not send him to the control of the current administration. No rights of citizenship.

  81. #81
    On February 16th, 2010 at 3:47 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 1:19 pm, Flyoverman said: #78

    Without regard to what the media does or does not publish for an administration, the refusal of the bulk of the MSM to do any serious reporting on the massive scandal that is sometimes referred to as ClimateGate to me proves beyond any doubt as to the partisan, agenda driven focus the MSM has willingly adopted.

    That would be true if the WAPO did not repeatedly publish what George Will has had to say on the subject of ‘Climate Change’.

    Admittedly, the bulk of the MSM is not the WAPO, however a single article in the WAPO has been attributted to how the bulk of the MSM thinks. A single article in the NYT, or any other single media outlet, has been said to be the thoughts of all MSM. Unfair, but true.

    What my fellow posters are implying is the MSM has thoroughly discredited themselves and deserve no professional respect.

    It is unfortunate that your fellow posters are incapable of such succinct thoughts, and choose to take the messenger to task vice the message.

    And no, the MSM has not discredited themselves. MM has repeatedly taken the AP to task for what they do poorly, and has praised them, when they have done well. What the MSM, or any other media outlet does, is a mixed bag.

    I agree with that premise. You should be very afraid of a media that is in partnership with any government, any administration. Their role should be to report (commentary being separate) the facts for the people.

    Absolutely, we should be afraid when the Government and the Media are in a partnership. We should be afraid when the Media does not ask important questions and is cowtowed and bullied into a corner.

    We should be PO’d when the Media does not do it’s job. We should also admit that various media outlets have done the same thing with and against, all administrations, regardless of party.

  82. #82
    On February 16th, 2010 at 3:50 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 2:13 pm, chapoutier said: #82

    Excellant post!

  83. #83
    On February 16th, 2010 at 3:53 pm, DBNinKY said:

    The newspaper agreed to delay publication of the article after considering a request from the Bush administration… .

    Only because the NYT felt it had something to gain – an after the climax scope from the vantage of being a silent participant in the event – and because the politics at the time would have brought them more scrutiny than praise.

    They would not have played along without something to gain, as they later proved when subsequently asked by the Bush ad to keep still on other stories; to wit, MM’s above article.

  84. #84
    On February 16th, 2010 at 3:56 pm, DBNinKY said:

    Excellant post!

    Lackluster and pedantic…

  85. #85
    On February 16th, 2010 at 4:01 pm, shooter said:

    Mullah abdul ghani baradar is nothing more than a local politician now. Maybe some years ago he was #2 Talib, but not any longer.

    He’s more like a mayor of a small group of outcasts that try to negotiate with parties who don’t respect him.
    Give it a day, the truth should come out, this guy is NOBODY.

  86. #86
    On February 16th, 2010 at 4:03 pm, flenser said:

    zyzzyg’s mobying is getting old.

  87. #87
    On February 16th, 2010 at 4:05 pm, shooter said:

    p.s. ‘capturing’ a guy who probably had his name, address and phone number listed in the phone book is no huge success.

    This whole story seems to be obama admin spin at the highest and worst level.

  88. #88
    On February 16th, 2010 at 4:06 pm, flenser said:

    [Holder] would no doubt be happy as every American would be, and he would say that had Baradar been captured on US soil he would have been arrested and read his miranda rights.

    You’re being evasive and dishonest. The question is why Holder is allowing Baradar to be kept in Pakistan rather than being returned to the United States to face trial in, presumably, a criminal court with a lawyer at his side.

    What’s your answer?

  89. #89
    On February 16th, 2010 at 4:07 pm, swede said:

    Lackluster and pedantic…

    Chap – Two notable exceptions to an otherwise predictable pattern. NYT/CYA. Are you suggesting the NYT didn’t disclose sensitive intelligence and endanger CIA agents? Please.

  90. #90
    On February 16th, 2010 at 4:29 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Has Obama sent his regards to the captured with offer for chai a beer together in the Rose Garden soon?

    FIFY

  91. #91
    On February 16th, 2010 at 4:40 pm, Misscheryl said:

    JIT – Obama captures an important Taliban commander. Cheeze whiz – now he’ll have another chance to show his critics he’s tough on terrorism…

    How convieeennnnntttt….

  92. #92
    On February 16th, 2010 at 4:42 pm, Flyoverman said:

    If this fellow was a Taliban Leader and a high value target, why would he feel safe in Karachi?

    The intell officer in me is more than curiuous.

  93. #93
    On February 16th, 2010 at 4:45 pm, Misscheryl said:

    let’s face it – it’s a set-up. Just another “show.” Obama would have to capture Osama himself with DNA proof (like he promised he would do), before I believe anything of the sort. pppffftttt!

  94. #94
    On February 16th, 2010 at 4:58 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 4:06 pm, flenser said:

    The question is why Holder is allowing Baradar to be kept in Pakistan rather than being returned to the United States to face trial……

    First and foremost he was captured by the ISI with CIA assistance. He is a Pakistani prisoner.

    Second, just because he is a prsoner, does not mean he is a war criminal. I know of no war crime against the U.S. he has has even been accused of, much less charged with.

    He may have charges against him in Pakistan or Afghanistan; don’t know.

    He has intelligence value to the U.S., but his current status is he is a POW of the Pakistani’s.

  95. #95
    On February 16th, 2010 at 5:08 pm, wckelly60 said:

    You have the right to remain at Gitmo.
    You have the right to a military tribunal.
    You have the right to a blindfold before execution.

  96. #96
    On February 16th, 2010 at 5:10 pm, nail49 said:

    We should be afraid when the Media does not ask important questions and is cowtowed and bullied into a corner.

    zyyzgy zzyzgyg zzgygzz WHATEVER: We should be VERY afraid when the MSM gets tingles up its leg and sticks its collective nose where the sun doesn’t shine.

    There is little cowtowing and bullying going on, the LameStreamMedia (for the most part) is a lap-dog for this Administration and gladly goes where it is told and covers what it is told to cover (or not, i.e., Climategate for starters).

  97. #97
    On February 16th, 2010 at 5:26 pm, Misscheryl said:

    zigzag is exhausting.

  98. #98
    On February 16th, 2010 at 5:29 pm, Leatherneck said:

    I’m going to go out on a limb here, and write I wonder what information we will get from him about Iran?

    So, we get him, and a few others with information. Now what? Nothing will change in Afganistan as they will continue to pray to a false moon god.

  99. #99
    On February 16th, 2010 at 5:33 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 16th, 2010 at 5:08 pm, wckelly60 said:

    You have the right to remain at Gitmo.
    You have the right to a military tribunal.
    You have the right to a blindfold before execution.

    He is Taliban. He is an enemy combatant. He is a prisoner of Pakistan. At his point that is all he is.

    It is not “against the law” to wage war againstr the United States. There are crimes one can commit in war, but I do not see any crime he has been accused of by the U.S. military or government.

  100. #100
    On February 16th, 2010 at 5:34 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    It was a joint CIA-ISI operation with the Pakistanis taking the lead. I’m betting the CIA guys on the ground were telling the ISI guys, “You really don’t want us to take him outta here, ’cause he’ll just be right back in a year or so.” The CIA guys then turn their backs as the ISI guys “question” him but write down all his answers.

    ECS

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