Reconciliation, the public option, and Demcare revival
Looks like the Demcare peddlers have gotten a second wind. Pay attention to the regrouping of Senate lefties:
New York senators Chuck Schumer, Kirsten Gillibrand join new public option push
Udall supports reconciliation for health care reform
Mikulski, Cardin support public option revival effort
Bayh Open To Reconciliation For Health Care Reform
Biden Could Force Reconciliation Through the Senate
Sebelius: White House may fight for public option in health bill
Tea Party counterforces, activate!
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Handy background on reconciliation here and here.
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This Bill has got “NO” written all over it by the American people. Bayh is going to support reconciliation of the most partisan bill to come down the pike in the nations history? And he is complain about partisanship and Washington being broken? (or words to that effect). I am beginning to believe these guys are trying to put the US so far in debt we will collapse. This is traitorous!
Roger that.
Other than death, what is certain in life? I sue, therefore I win is the legal standard?
The lawyer gets ordinary legal fees from the loser of the case in either circumstance. Heaven forbid that he should earn a “John Edwards” lifestyle by preying on the misery of others.
Why do you think you see a Mesophilioma Legal Ad on TV every 5 minutes? There’s gold in them thar hills!
Well, there was, but The One decided to overturn it. Hang onto something.
Bingo!!!
Right there is one of the differences between docs and attorneys.
I can’t tell you how many times, when I was in private solo practice, that I provided diagnoses; but then either got paid say, only 20% of my bill, or nothing at all, because of insurance “intricacies”, or because the patient didn’t have the bucks.
And the diagnoses were of the same “quality” and extent as that of any other case/patient.
And when the treating doc would say that the patient was of limited means, I’d tell him to tell the patient to get done what he needed to get done; we’d worry about the bill after, structure a payment plan, “write off” some of the bill, whatever it took. (I’d typically send out bills 1-3 weeks after rendering the service; and get paid 2-6, sometimes more, months after rendering the service.)
Only people who threw the bills away, and whom my billing service never heard from after 3-4 notices, got sent to a collection agency.
Not complaining.
Still practicing.
Still doing the same thing.
Looking at all this and what other posters have said – The Demorat Progressives are going down in flames and they damn well know it – but rather than taking their defeated idiology and leaving they will burn the house down with them in it. This is what is going on today and god help this country because what damage thats going to be done before November may never be able to be repaired.
RSS gets credit for that comment. Not me.
I responded to it.
and the difference between democrats and the austin suicide pilot is what again.
Oh, yeah, I know!
Hence, the “double quote” shading.
One reform that will eventually surface is the WalMart model. When they and other prescription dispensers brought the cost down to $4 for a generic script, thousands suddenly found they could get along with the cheaper drug just fine. I’d like to see small boutique clinics that specialize in everyday, run of the mill, testing. I like that some pharmacy’s have licensed personel that can draw blood samples and send them in for results. They also provide needed flu and other innoculations. In between doctor visits my husband has kept a check on his cholesterol levels using those tests. There are answers to our high medical costs but it’s not from D.C. with a bunch of gubmint bureaucrats making decisions willy nilly.
Once, in the mid 70s, we got naively involved in an Estee Lauder suit. Yes, we won. The lawyers got millions, the plantiffs, like us, got $5.00, once the rest, after the lawyers, was divided.
I’d say give those idiot liberal babyboomers and greedy seniors what they want. Death Panels! And make sure that the Federal government have that same insurance as well. As much as we knock Canadian health care, at least the people in their government have the same insurance rest of their citizens.
Not me – I am not the author of Gravity remarks, only gravitas…
I hope they DO go the reconciliation route. It’ll give us chance to see exactly how meek and flacid the Republicans truly are. If it passes, we can make every candidate pledge that the first thing they will do when elected is to repeal this treasonous bill.
Off topic but…
Marco Rubio/Liz Cheney…2012
They are both the real deal!! Check them out! Who says we don’t have some good prospects for POTUS in 2012??
Now, they can stop parading the usual list of has-beens and never-will-bes!! Fox News channel even had a poll with John McCain’s name on it…to choose who you want to run in 2012. John McCain!! I almost lost my lunch. Forget Mitt, Huckabee, Pawlenty, even Pence and Palin. Marco Rubio has it all. And after he is a Senator for a while, he will be ready. Liz Cheney is awesome and just needs some experience. Being VP would give her 8 years of great experience, then she can become POTUS. I am serious! There is a kind of leg tingle happening here.
Let’s see what the Constitution says about it in Article I:
Looks like the Senate promulgated their own rules about filibusters.
It seems to me the Democrats love the filibuster, or threat thereof, when they are in the minority so they can obstruct Republican efforts, but whine that the Republicans are “obstructing the people’s business” by filibustering when they (Democrats) are in the majority.
“Sauce for the goose, Mr. Saavik.”
ECS
Everyone is going to get sick of my continually repeating this but let’s focus on 2010 first. If we succeed in voting all of the bums out this year, it’ll be much easier to select the candidate that WE want after November.
Just imagine how much better the GOP/RNC be in listening to us once we get rid of the Gangs of McCain and have seated many Tea Party candidates in both parties. Let’s focus first on getting that part done.
Of course, I agree that first things must be first. But I can dream, can’t I? And when I see someone who excites me and gives me hope that there are some great prospects for 2012, I want to share. We will work on 2010, diligently! But 2012 is just around the corner and it is not too early to at least start thinking about it.
Good question. Maybe that’s something that ought to be – y’know – debated, like, publicly, instead of having a bill get cobbled together in the back halls of Congress of by who-the-hell-knows-who and rammed through without a chance for members to even read it. Maybe there ought to be (and I’m probably getting really radical here) committee hearings with things like expert testimony – you know, all the things that are supposed to be part of the normal legislative process.
But I guess I’m just not with the times.
Eliminate government involvement at all levels…from delivery, to marketing, to FDA, to billing, to Medicare reimbursement guidelines, to tort cases, to…
The list is endless of the weight that Federal and State government have infiltrated the healthcare industry from research to grave.
Let’s put it in simpler terms…
It was no more than 60 years ago that the doctor came to your home, treated you, and then you payed him a chicken, maybe even and a pig. If you had money, you offered him more than the chicken and pig. Fast forward -
Then came medical insurance, which lead to Medicare, which lead to guidelines, which lead to Government mandates, which lead to entitlements, which leaked into insurance and regulatory costs, which lead to abuse of the system by doctors, institutions, patients and goverment agencies, which cluster-f@$!ed into the tangled web we call healthcare today.
I wouldn’t vote for John McCain for dogcatcher! I saw his “performance” on Greta the other night and he was pathetic. He is nothing but an old slow-witted bald man. I don’t even think he knows how to use a computer.
Why the hell is he even running AGAIN? He’s an old man, slow-witted, and so far past his prime. He should retire and spend time with that beautiful wife of his. And while he’s at it, knock a little sense into that Valley Girl daughter of his.
In my gut and in my heart I feel that the majority in government must continue to arrogantly spit in the faces of the majority of Americans who deplore their actions.
I want the democrat majority to continue to live in a vacuum and violate the will of the thinking, working, common sense mildly informed patriots who feel that something just isn’t right.
Bring it on Obama, you will have one and only one legacy.
You will unite us!
Not bad for a dumb azz who continues to vote present.
Say hello to Al Gore for me, where ever he is.
it is amazing and insane that we must fight enemies within our own country in addition to enemies outside it (well the enemies inside have let those we once kept out, in, so they are all working together anyway).
I have a hard time understanding how American became so great and such a beacon for freedom if 43% of us are such committed leftists and statists and must inflict their gruesome plan on us daily.
just hoping that Nov 2 shows a huge American fist upside the leftists’ enlarged and vapor-filled heads. I will be voting out every leftist and RINO I can find on my CA ticket. the traitor and marxist Barbara Boxer is toast, finished, gone, finito.
hope you leftists enjoy Nov 2. it will slap the taste out of your mouths so hard that it will definitely remind you that you are in America, and not Bolivia or Cuba. if you want socialism, you can feel free to relocate tomorrow to any number of socialist failed states, there are plenty in your wonderful “world” to choose from. or, you can go to Russia and practice that diversity you claim to love so much.
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and see how long you live
JD Hayworth will trounce McVain the Invader-Boot-Licker. and we all need to make it happen.
I wish I lived in AZ so I could cast that vote, that will be the best day of the year for me to see that lying bloviating weasel McVain go down so hard. good riddance to RINOs with soft hearts for invaders who hate our country and our society.
I am beginning to seriously wonder if Glenn Beck has it right? I think these devious SOB’s have something even more sinister up their sleeves. Remember Rahm said to never let a good crisis go to waste. I was worried they might use the nut in Texas to justify their “crisis”. These people are very evil and they sew their own lot if they push this turd in the punchbowl through.
Dems – a little advice – don’t do it – it will be bad enough in November – you don’t want to be run out of town on a rail now do you? Chuckie and Kristin – you really are a pair aren’t you? And I thought she was a nice lookin woman too….oh well looks ain’t everything now are they? You are evil to the core. Socialism nee…Communism is what they are advocating and it is the death of a thousand cuts….just a little blood here, a little nick there and soon we are so damn weak we cannot stop the onslaught. Do this at your own peril.
More news today that ObamaCare is coming next week.
The Ds will get it through no matter what.
It is sad that the Rs can’t stop it.
It is sad that we, as the informed public, can’t stop it.
Even when there are less Ds after the 2010 & 2012 elections, the Rs will never be able to undo the damage.
More pols came out today that show +50% favor “public option” AND +50% favor reconciliation.
WE R SKREWED
If they wish to slip their cumulative necks in a noose, hand them the rope.
There was talk of an election swing of 20 seats in the house. It has gone to 40. They pass Heathcare it could be a 100 seats.
20 senate seats are up. The Dems lose 6 and they lose the Senate. They lose the Senate they lose any hope of getting liberals on the Supreme Court.
This is not Chicago and Obama is so out of his league it’s almost painful. I wrote my Dem Congressman last night and ENCOURAGEDhim to vote himself out of office.
It’s all good.
I see Michelle Obama is to speak at the National Governors Association. Let me guess. “Please don’t stop or cut our school breakfast and lunch programs for our starving children. Which reminds me. You all need to consider programs to stop the obesity epidemic in our kids.”
*The Dems can double down on ObamaCare all they want, and they may even suck in a few RINO’s with some payoffs, but know this: The Tea Party activists WILL win in the end as follows:
**The GOP will take back the House and the Senate, as well as winning a few more of the governor’s races.
**Many RINO rat bastards will be primaried out, as they are equally guilty in putting the country on its’ current death march.
**There will be a massive tax protest to starve the beast if any legislation passes that increases spending and/or government control.
**This is the year that enough people will have come to their senses to realize that P-BO is purposely attempting to destroy our country, and if the GOP won’t stand up and do what’s right to stop it, the people sure as he!! will.
The bloodless coup is going ahead as planned. They really want this to come to a head.
Here is another libtard solution for a nonexistent problem.
It’s for the children !
Are they still going ahead with the dog and pony show with the Republicans? Why bother when they have displayed a total disregard for the American people. I smell “change in the air”…and it is Ted Kennedys rotting corpse.
The Health Care Bill is a suicide bomb. Dems will detonate it, killing themselves, and taking as many of us with them as they can.
I have some sincere questions for those who would defend this health care bill. I’m aware that posting it this late in the thread is less than effective, so I admit right now I may post the same exact questions earlier in a different thread when the topic comes around again.
1) If you think that this health care arrangement is so great, what is stopping all of you from getting together and implementing the same policy privately? Is it the anti-state-mixing thing, you can’t get doctors on board, don’t have the financial resources, other laws, what?
2) What makes you think you have the moral right to force other people to be involved in your idea of a good health care plan when they don’t want to be?
neither progressives nor marxists are moral in any shape or fashion. They will force their will on you like it or not. They crave power and control and the end justifies the means. The only way to counter them is to take them out of the equation…vote them out in 2010/2012…
# 133….
I agree but those “changes” will occur AFTER ObamaCare is carved into stone.
Just like that Dept Reduction executive order this week. They will report AFTER the 2010 elections.
Once the “entitled people” get their “free” medical and the msm touts the big win, it will be easier to push a camel through the eye of a needle.
And so what if a few Ds
losesacrifice their seat. Every seen a politician left high-n-dry after leaving office?Me neither.
The Democommies have the votes to pass Obamacare – But I hope they understand that most Americans will see their action as a declaration of civil war.
obowma caught in acorn lie??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPJwu3wUcU&feature=player_embedded
The Democratic healthcare bill–the gift that keeps on giving Republicans more congressional seats.
Give ACORN a call – they’ll get you an absentee ballet. I wish I was kidding.
Actions like these will keep the anger strong and continue to alert the public of the gravity of our situation. Many are beginning to understand that the purpose of the Constitution is to control the federal government not the people. Once the majority of the people realize this we can put the federal government back under control and reduce its size by 90 to 95%. Nobody should even care who the president is because he should have almost no power over the people.
MSNBC just reported that most Americans are against Obamacare . . . until they learn the details. There must be some details that none of us have read or heard about, or, MSNBC is again obfuscating and lying to support their messiah. I subscribe to the latter.
Backed into a corner and growling. The MSM is at witz end defending and supporting this bill.
It’s a piece of $h!t, and they’ll step in it, just in time for November.
If Obama announced a reorganization of the government, with a central committee and him as party secretary, MSNBC would first to come out supporting the idea. That’s why they’re at the bottom with idiots as commentators.
…waving a red flag.
This is just great. Gingrich called for “principled bipartisanship” on Obamacare today at CPAC. Who exactly are those “conservatives” who greeted his entrance like a “rock star”? Certainly not the 31% who delivered the straw poll victory to Ron Paul today. Probably the 7% who voted for Sarah Palin.
Who let him in? Gingrich should be in Arizona on the campaign trail.
Reconciliation? Ain’t gonna happen. Wait, are we talking about Barry or Tiger and Elin. I get confused.
This whole thing is beginning to seem a little like “Whack-A-Mole”.
My veiw on this is Barack probably knows the economy is going to crash and he wishes to keep the sick insured when it happens. Once the government goes into default and then political collapse, the Consitutional Republic is finished for good….I think he knows this.
Naaa, no matter what happens in Washington DC, we are still the United STATES of America. South Carolina is already considering the potential for default and just the mere mention of it in an actual state legislative initiative is going pique the interest of other states. All it takes to wipe the slate clean is for enough states to call a new Constitutional Convention and re-write a few phrases of our existing Constitution to revert BACK to the founders orginal intent of having a LIMITED federal government.
They can NULLIFY every wrong Supreme Court decision ever made such as those concerning the collosal abuse of the commerce clause , ignoring the enumeration of powers, the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank, the IRS, etc..
But in reality – the states only have to threaten Washington in order to get them to HEEL. The federal government is supposed to be serving the states and the people – NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.