Sunday open thread

By Michelle Malkin  •  February 21, 2010 06:30 AM

Home in Colorado after a week-long business trip on the East Coast. Counting blessings and enjoying this Sunday with family and friends. Talk amongst yourselves!

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  1. #1
    On February 21st, 2010 at 6:40 am, zorro said:

    We’re happy you made it home safe and sound.

    Too much snow on the ground to go to the shooting range so after Mass (in a few minutes), I’ll be doing laundry and re-packing for another week on the road. Delaware this week…

  2. #2
    On February 21st, 2010 at 6:40 am, Aggie95 said:

    So if any of ya’ll watched Beck last night what did you think.

  3. #3
    On February 21st, 2010 at 7:13 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    I watched Beck at CPAC and WOW was he good. I was worried he would go over the top with the clown act/recovering alcoholic routine but was more than pleased with the appropriate level. I will say that is the best I have ever seen him.

  4. #4
    On February 21st, 2010 at 7:16 am, ex-expat said:

    I usually don’t even glance at the WaPo’s Sunday “opinion” section, Outlook, but a story on the first page caught my eye. Its titled Barack Obama, Supreme Court justice. The tone of this article is that perhaps the current WH occupant is indeed not suited to be POTUS, and perhaps would make a better Supreme Court justice.
    Interesting that from inside their liberal wombs the Washington Beltway establishment may also be seeing the light.

  5. #5
    On February 21st, 2010 at 7:25 am, Sea_Dog said:

    A Supreme Court Justice? This is a person who has repeatedly misquoted the Constitution, has invented amendments and ignored existing ones, has promulgated the most extreme number of unconstitutional appointments, executive orders and bills – just what we need on a body that is supposed to be enforcing the Constitution.

  6. #6
    On February 21st, 2010 at 7:36 am, Uplander said:

    “It’s time. The kids have had their ‘Coming of Age Party’, some proving that they aren’t ready for the responsibilities of adulthood quite yet.
    So, as the adults in charge we need to unplug the music, turn on the bright lites and call for a ‘Hand Check’. Things got a little out of hand and, I’m sorry, but even the good kids are gonna have to go home.

    ‘Party’s over guys; you blew it’. Of course not all of you, but you need to remember the ones that ruined your fun. They are selfish punks and will, unless disciplined continue to screw up your lives. Sorry to say that these attention seeking losers may well qualify for no useful endeavor in your society, the one you will be responsible for, they may well drift into used car sales, hedge fund management and politics. If their peers don’t ‘instruct’ them in real life early enough the future of your children and their children is doubtful because these are the lazy types that seek power for power’s sake, not for the good of anyone else.”

  7. #7
    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:07 am, Anita said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 6:40 am, Aggie95 said:
    So if any of ya’ll watched Beck last night what did you think.

    I am sick & tired of his anti-Bush attack again & again. He almost treated the crowd like clowns. He never named Obama anywhere, may be afraid of his pal – O’Reilly.

    Decided – Never to watch him again.

  8. #8
    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:32 am, graysonret said:

    Been following the offensive in Marjah and praying for our people there. Taliban fighters are disgusting people, using children as shields and refusing school to anyone, plus other abominable things they preach. Hopefully, it will put a big dent in their money-raising scheme of using heroin. There is the question of constitutionalty to the whole thing. We moved into a country and went after the government. In my book, that’s war. Isn’t Congress supposed to declare it? Guess not, these days…like many other things in the Constitution. I suppose it’s another “police action”. It allows congress to say “we supported it”, when we are doing well, and “we didn’t support it” when we are in trouble. I can’t blame them though, when there are a lot of just plain naive and gullible citizens out there.

  9. #9
    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:40 am, Chief RZ said:

    graysonret. We went to get UBL. He happened to be in Afghanistan at the time, but has been hiding in several other places. These taliban people are not regular soldiers. They violate the conventional rules of war. They have not signed on to the Geneva Convention. They are illegal enemy combatants, not unlike the JAPS of World War II.

    For the Record, the US Congress authorized force of any means to go after those who attacked us on 9/11/01 the same way as the JAPS did on 12/7/41.

  10. #10
    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:43 am, Cogs said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:07 am, Anita said:
    I am sick & tired of his anti-Bush attack again & again. He almost treated the crowd like clowns. He never named Obama anywhere, may be afraid of his pal – O’Reilly.

    Decided – Never to watch him again.

    Anita, you might rethink that decision. I too, thought that Beck would slam Bush as a spender – he didn’t; at least not like he has done on his nightly show. He knew what he was doing and that was not the event to do that. He made his point quite tactfully I thought.

    His points were well on target; We Republicans need to be reminded, we screwed-up too. In fact, if you’re going to chastise Glenn Beck, then to be fair, you must chastise Michelle Malkin as well, as she has voiced some of the very same complaints against Mr. Bush.

    I agree that Bush-bashing is getting tiresome. I agree that it’s just an excuse for Obama’s failures; but we must be honest with ourselves too. Bush had his faults and mistakes, and as adults, we need to take note of that, move-on and keep trying to do a better job.

  11. #11
    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:43 am, stevevvs said:

    Well, it looks like Liberty won at the CPAC Gathering:

    Ron Paul – 31%
    Mitt Romney – 22%
    Sarah Palin – 7%
    Tim Pawlenty – 6%
    Mike Pence – 5%
    Newt Gingrich -4%
    Mike Huckabee – 4%
    Mitch Daniels – 2%
    Rick Santorum – 2%
    John Thune – 2%
    Haley Barbour – 1%

    Most neocon sites either wont mention it, or are snarky about it. I love it, out of that list, he is the only one who takes his Oath of Office seriously, and won’t vote for un constitutional bills. I wish they all were like him.

    And with 107 Trillion in un funded liabilities: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
    I no longer see any neocon solutions that will work. Apparently, I’m not alone.

  12. #12
    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:45 am, swede said:

    Anita said:
    He almost treated the crowd like clowns. He never named Obama anywhere, may be afraid of his pal – O’Reilly.

    Decided – Never to watch him again.

    I never watch him anyway, not so much that I disagree with him but because I find him rather tedious and patronizing.

    In this case though, he did what needed to be done. Why preach to the choir? Everyone in the room hates Obama. The Republicans need serious shock therapy to bring them back to reality and he gave it in spades.

    Favorite take away quote to Repubs: “I’ts not enough just to suck less than the Democrats.” Classic and bullseye.

  13. #13
    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:46 am, zyzzyg said:

    Additional information on the Fort Jackson situation -

    http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZf9agmzSYwBZGZkczNkNWZfMGZkc3pua2oz&hl=en

    Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
    Caveats: FOUO

    February 18, 2010

    Fort Jackson, S.C. – In December 2009, five Soldiers were investigated for potential verbal threats against fellow Soldiers. While the investigation continues there is currently no credible evidence to substantiate the allegations. At no time was there any danger to the Fort Jackson community.

    Points of contact are the CID Public Affairs Office at (703) 806-0372 and the Fort Jackson Public Affairs Office at (803) 751-6719.
    Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
    Caveats: FOUO

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2011122632_apusfortjacksoninvestigation.html

  14. #14
    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:51 am, Cogs said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:43 am, stevevvs said:
    Well, it looks like Liberty won at the CPAC Gathering:

    Ron Paul – 31%
    Mitt Romney – 22%
    Sarah Palin – 7%
    Tim Pawlenty – 6%
    Mike Pence – 5%
    Newt Gingrich -4%
    Mike Huckabee – 4%
    Mitch Daniels – 2%
    Rick Santorum – 2%
    John Thune – 2%
    Haley Barbour – 1%

    Most neocon sites either wont mention it, or are snarky about it. I love it, out of that list, he is the only one who takes his Oath of Office seriously, and won’t vote for un constitutional bills. I wish they all were like him.

    And with 107 Trillion in un funded liabilities: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
    I no longer see any neocon solutions that will work. Apparently, I’m not alone.

    Half (48%) of the votes were from students. Last time we listened to students, Obama got elected. Ron Paul’s not a viable candidate.

  15. #15
    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:52 am, Marshall Russ said:

    The CPAC straw poll had Ron Paul as the winner. Libertarians had better wake up, like Independents have in droves, and support a conservative revitalization of the GOP.

  16. #16
    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:53 am, stevevvs said:

    I see a lot of comments on “Bush Bashing.”
    To be honest, most of it is deserved. His actions and policies are what gave us a Dem. Congress, and Obama, if you were to be honest with yourself.

    McCain had no chance after he “Suspended” his campaign to sign the TARP bill, which his base opposed, and rightly so.

    I voted for the Constitution Party candidate, Chuck Baldwin. He was the only one I thought would take his Oath seriously.

    From the spending, two two Bush stimulouses, to the Patriot Act, to the 18 Trillion liabilty of the Prescription Drugs Bill:http://www.usdebtclock.org/
    to the never ending wars, to the increased Muslim Immigration and VISAS, to the unsecure borders and ports,and on and on, Bush was a disaster, especially in the second term.If we can’t see that, we have blinders on….

  17. #17
    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:58 am, stevevvs said:

    Marshal,

    The GOP in my lifetime, I’m 47, has always increased Government power and control, increased spending, raised the debt ceiling, reduced liberty, and so on.

    Why should anyone want to trust them again?

    During every Republican Administration in my lifetime, the above has been the case.

    Fool me once, shame on you, but fool me multiple time……

    Perhaps Republicans need to look towards the Libertarian Jeffersonian types, just a thought.

    Take care, enjoy your day.

  18. #18
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:00 am, Anita said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:43 am, Cogs said:

    Anita, you might rethink that decision. I too, thought that Beck would slam Bush as a spender – he didn’t; at least not like he has done on his nightly show.
    —– In fact, if you’re going to chastise Glenn Beck, then to be fair, you must chastise Michelle Malkin as well, as she has voiced some of the very same complaints against Mr. Bush.

    Sorry, Cogs. Michelle never frame W as a mad man. I won’t characterise her comments on W as attacks (even her latest “Miss Me” comments.) Also, did you see the silence when he said those?

    There is a difference of W’s governing before & after dem.congress take-over. I REALLY don’t like his Reps- dems-same meme.

    I liked him however when he took 3 or 4 Obamis out of power.

  19. #19
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:03 am, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:52 am, Marshall Russ said:

    The CPAC straw poll had Ron Paul as the winner.

    I see we are still “stuck on stupid.”

    Sighhhhhhhhhh

  20. #20
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:05 am, swede said:

    stevevvs said:
    Cogs said:

    So the winner of the straw poll also happens to be an un-electable fiscal conservative constitutionalist, and a truther. What does that say about the state of the Republican prospects? Republicans, WAKE. THE. F. UP!

  21. #21
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:06 am, Anita said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:45 am, swede said:

    I never watch him anyway, not so much that I disagree with him but because I find him rather tedious and patronizing.
    In this case though, he did what needed to be done. Why preach to the choir? Everyone in the room hates Obama. The Republicans need serious shock therapy to bring them back to reality and he gave it in spades.

    I would agree with Gateway Pundit & their commenters on this.

  22. #22
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:07 am, graysonret said:

    We, here, just lost a young man (19), Lance Cpl. Kielin T. Dunn, who lived close to us. He had to live in a youth shelter in order to finish HS. His goal was to join the Marines. We’re proud of him and hope he rests in peace.

  23. #23
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:08 am, zorro said:

    I find him rather tedious and patronizing

    Yes, but I think overall, O’Reilly takes that prize. That’s why I stop in here and Hot Air several times a day (either on my Blackberry or laptop).

  24. #24
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:09 am, sshuffield70 said:

    There’s a new billboard in the KC area asking the ObamaNation voters how they like their hope and change.

    http://www.kctv5.com/video/21176438/index.html

  25. #25
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:13 am, Chief RZ said:

    In 1992/3 when the GOP finally took control of congress, they forced Bill to veto many times their attempts at controlling spending. We were successful 90% of the time.

    For two years, we were looking at a surplus.

    Then the Muslims attacked US, destroying the twin towers in NYC.

    FDR spent 100 times on his war effort.

  26. #26
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:13 am, happyscrapper said:

    Beck rocked the house!! It was so encouraging to see all the energy at CPAC.

  27. #27
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:15 am, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:07 am, graysonret said:

    We, here, just lost a young man (19), Lance Cpl. Kielin T. Dunn, who lived close to us.

    Thank God this country has such men. We grieve with you.

  28. #28
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:17 am, happyscrapper said:

    I love Ron Paul’s belief structure and ideas. But, face it, he is not electable. People need to face that fact. He comes across as your typical absent-minded professor type. Too bad, but there it is!

  29. #29
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:22 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    I will say this about Beck at CPAC. He really riled the establishment Republicans who apparently insist that conservatives can never criticized Republicans. How many of the “buzzworthy” bloggers linked here protested Beck’s comments? Isn’t that amazing? There are still many “conservatives” who still can’t let go of their noses. They need to come to grips the “tough” part of “tough love”. They are so obsessed with the possibility of another 2008 except with a viable 3rd party candidate that they can’t think straight. If all of this Tea Party action still can’t us better than another establishment big-guv Republican candidate, it will be THEIR fault, not ours.

    Why is CPAC a Republican event anyway? That has to change. The Tea Party dominated the event this year. It will be interesting to see if the RNC distances itself from CPAC and the Tea Party or continues its efforts to coopt the movement. Now they know how the Dems feel having lost “Ted Kennedy’s seat”. None of these weasels are safe anywhere.

  30. #30
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:22 am, Chief RZ said:

    sshuffield70. Thanks for the link.
    /> sarcasm well, some have called for “it” to come down, … etc. the mayor has had calls, etc.

    This is clearly a 1st Amendment right.

    This is about issues and Freedom, nothing more.

    There weren’t any pictures of the President with horns as were done to the past President. No effigies, no bad language, just The Truth.

  31. #31
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:27 am, Cogs said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:00 am, Anita said:
    Sorry, Cogs. Michelle never frame W as a mad man. I won’t characterise her comments on W as attacks (even her latest “Miss Me” comments.) Also, did you see the silence when he said those?

    There is a difference of W’s governing before & after dem.congress take-over. I REALLY don’t like his Reps- dems-same meme.

    I liked him however when he took 3 or 4 Obamis out of power.

    OK, I’ll watch the speech again in a few minutes and reassess my thoughts. However, I don’t share your implication that the “silence”, after his comment, was negative; I think his point hit home and the crowd realized it; that’s a good thing.

    Look, I love GWB and will always support him; but, I have to be honest with myself. I’ve screwed-up in my life, Beck has screwed-up in his and President Bush made some mistakes too; I think he would tell you that.

    I have never met Mr. Bush (I have met Michelle), but I would bet that knowing his character, he would agree, that in hindsight, he would do many things differently.

    Mr. Beck is putting forward the reality of the situation in which we are now living; somebody has to do it. How he does it, some may criticize; and that’s fine. I’m just glad somebody is doing it and that he has found a powerful soapbox to stand-on.

  32. #32
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:35 am, WaterBoyz said:

    O/T sorta
    Noticed the CEO of Governent Motors got $9M in wages?

    He had to get a special wavier from the pay czar.

    What is good for the goose is NOT good for the gander.

    Typical Ds, making exceptions for their side but holding the feet of the Rs to the media fire.

    The “Masters of The Media” are still kicking the Rs butts.

  33. #33
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:36 am, DBNinKY said:

    Arianna Huffington keeps trying to tie violence to the Tea Party movement and CPAC. But during her bid to be governor of Cali., wasn’t it she who violently knocked over the microphones just as Swartzenegger was about to speak in an effort to deny free speech and the right of the people to be informed?

  34. #34
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:43 am, happyscrapper said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:35 am, WaterBoyz said:
    O/T sorta

    How can you be “off topic” on an open thread? Ha!!

    Rubio/Cheney 2012

  35. #35
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:43 am, GladzKravtz said:

    It takes a certain ‘person’ to get people like Beck (and Rush for that matter).
    Beck’s message is heavy. Often a downer but just like Cogs said:

    Mr. Beck is putting forward the reality of the situation in which we are now living; somebody has to do it.

    And Beck’s harbingers followed by humor??
    Well, now that’s an art!!
    He absolutely rocked last night and as I saw him sweat up there, I started to worry about him … we need that guy and I hope he takes good care of himself.

  36. #36
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:50 am, swede said:

    Anita said:
    I would agree with Gateway Pundit & their commenters on this.

    I learned early in years providing counseling is that people want you to tell them what’s wrong, but don’t want to hear what they need to hear – i.e. what is really wrong. The GOP is disfunctional. They think they make themselves palatable to a larger base by rejecting core conservative values, and adopting positions that are in fact less palatable to the majority of Americans – most notably independents. They need to hear the truth. Then they need to admit their problem.

    Beck gave another good analogy re disfunctional behavior. Citing his alcholism recovery, the first step to dealing with any disfunction is to admit you have a problem!

    Re Bush, because of his abysmal approval across the spectrum, conservative politicritters and pundits have a strategic need to distance themselves from him. His mushy fiscal conservatism notwithstanding, he’s just a political hot potato. (Or is that potatoe?) ;-)

  37. #37
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:50 am, Lockstein13 said:

    I really enjoyed Beck.

    On another topic, what on earth is Gingrich doing talking about “bipartisanship”?

    At this point in time – with this extreme “opposition” – bipartisanship is counterproductive…to say the least.

  38. #38
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:50 am, Anita said:
  39. #39
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:51 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I think Beck’s Mormonism and their view of how the “end” will unfold, being prepared with stock piles of food, etc., is influencing his politics.

  40. #40
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:00 am, DBNinKY said:

    Beck rocked the house!!

    I think it’s laughable how media outlets across the net this morning are expressing such shock at Beck for taking the GOP to task during his CPAC speech! He’s said virtually the same thing on his TV show for the past year – haven’t they been listening?

  41. #41
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:03 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:50 am, Anita said:

    Dem Opts For Paid Palin Speech, Valerie Jarrett Is Not Amused.

    Nor is Miss Jarrett very amusing although she is a joke.

  42. #42
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:06 am, swede said:

    Lockstein13 said:
    On another topic, what on earth is Gingrich doing talking about “bipartisanship”?

    Singing the National GOP anthem. Compromise principles, build a bigger tent and sit on a couch with Nancy Botox and pretend “conservatives” agree about global warming. He is – or should be – irrelevant moving forward. Next.

  43. #43
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:12 am, happyscrapper said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:51 am, jsmiddleton4 said:
    I think Beck’s Mormonism and their view of how the “end” will unfold, being prepared with stock piles of food, etc., is influencing his politics.

    Is that a bad thing?

  44. #44
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:16 am, cheapseat said:

    After the cpac straw poll, for the first time, I consider Ron Paul to be my sort of president. Why shouldn’t I like him? He is well educated, patriotic, a citizen statesman, a fiscal conservative, a constitutional originalist, and apparently an honest man in a sewer of lawyers. Is he a closet child rapist? I understand he doesn’t want the U.S. to fight all the worlds wars, and would like to bring our troops home from spending our blood and treasure in foriegn lands, and I agree with him on that too. We need to cut our spending back to a sustainable level, and that includes not only social waste, but military waste. 30,000 privates in Korea for 50 years at 1000 per month is handing Korea 18 billion dollars in foriegn aid. I would prefer to see that foriegn aid go to our border states and florida to protect our borders from illegals.

  45. #45
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:20 am, Ron said:

    The only worse role for Barrack Hussein Obama in US government than president is supreme court justice. Despite his degree, he has no working understanding of or respect for the Constitution, and he would do incalculable damage as a supreme court justice with life tenure. God protect us from that!

  46. #46
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:21 am, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:16 am, cheapseat said:
    After the cpac straw poll, for the first time, I consider Ron Paul to be my sort of president. …..

    I understand he doesn’t want the U.S. to fight all the worlds wars, and would like to bring our troops home….

    Which makes him an absolute “No Go” with me.

    That position became archiac on December 7, 1941.

  47. #47
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:22 am, happyscrapper said:

    Um….he’s a truther. And he is unelectable. Seriously, can you picture that guy as POTUS?? The answer is “no”. I have enormous respect for him in most of his beliefs. But he is also on the kook fringe with some of them. We can do better!

    Marco Rubio/Liz Cheney 2012

  48. #48
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:22 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    As to Ron Paul winning yesterday, take a look at the ballot. Who else were conservatives supposed to vote for? If “electability” (gag me) was the issue, which of these guys are “electable”? Do we really need to go through another lame Romney campaign? Pawlenty? Does that guy practice being a weanie?

    Ron Paul is not going to be the Republican candidate but that wasn’t the point. The point is that the GOP is still trying to cram their big-guv candidates down our throats and the CPAC crowd jolted them by voting for Ron Paul. That wasn’t a fluke. And Sarah Palin garnering only 7% pretty much kills any pretense that she is “the voice of the Tea Party movement”.

    If the GOP can’t come up with serious candidates who “get it”, we will find our own and take another path. For now, we need to focus on 2010 and get rid of as many of these RINOs as we can while we can. The GOP is off to a very bad start this year. They are every bit as stupid and tone deaf as the Dems who are again going to try to cram ObamaCare down our throats. Dump all of them. This year.

  49. #49
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:26 am, Flyoverman said:

    And Sarah Palin garnering only 7% pretty much kills any pretense that she is “the voice of the Tea Party movement”.

    Which speaks volumes about the current state of the TeaParty Movemment.

  50. #50
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:28 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    Happy, I think you need to take a closer look at Rubio. He’s kind of like Scott Brown in MA, a major tactical victory but let’s not lose our minds. Neither are presidential material.

    Let’s wait until December before we actually start debating 2012 candidates. We need to focus on this year.

  51. #51
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:31 am, Ron said:

    jsmiddleton4 said:

    I think Beck’s Mormonism and their view of how the “end” will unfold, being prepared with stock piles of food, etc., is influencing his politics.

    Lest there be any doubt, the Weimar Republic and failed economic policies are as big an influence on Beck as Mormonism. For decades, Mormons have been urged to get out of debt and live within their means. They have been urged to store food for emergencies of all kinds. They are NOT heralding the imminent return of Jesus Christ, although they believe it will happen. But think in practical terms. If money becomes worthless, by monetizing the debt, what have you got to eat? T-bills? Can’t even digest those gold nuggets you’ve been hoarding under your mattress! And Beck isn’t the only one openly expressing these concerns about our money supply. Others are starting to come around, including ABC News, believe it or not. What Beck hasn’t done is come up with a clear explanation of what he thinks needs to be done and the price we’re all going to have to pay to get the country back on track. He says its painful, but he glosses over the details.

  52. #52
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:34 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:26 am, Flyoverman said:

    And Sarah Palin garnering only 7% pretty much kills any pretense that she is “the voice of the Tea Party movement”.

    Which speaks volumes about the current state of the TeaParty Movemment.

    It underscores how difficult it will be for the Tea Party to be co-opted by moles like Palin. If you are equating the lack of a “spokesman” with the Tea Party being in disarray, you are completely missing the point about the Tea Party. It is a grassroots movement.

    We are effective because we’ve been successfully confounding all efforts by the establishment elites to put a handle on us. Who are they going to attack? That Stack guy who flew a plane into an IRA office in Austin? Amy Bishop? Looks to me like it is our opponents who are in disarray, not us.

  53. #53
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:35 am, Ron said:

    happyscrapper said:

    Um….he’s a truther. And he is unelectable. Seriously, can you picture that guy as POTUS?? The answer is “no”. I have enormous respect for him in most of his beliefs. But he is also on the kook fringe with some of them. We can do better!

    Since when is Ron Paul a “truther,” by which I presume you mean “9-11 truther”? He is unelectable, though, and we can do better.

  54. #54
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:38 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “moles like Palin.”

    And Phil’s Tea dude response is why I’m not a Tea dude.

    Palin is a mole? For what?

    Put your tin foil hat back on Phil and make some tea.

  55. #55
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:39 am, happyscrapper said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:28 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    Phil…I am starting to wonder if anyone will be good enough for you. I know we have to have high standards. But are you looking for perfection? If so, good luck.

  56. #56
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:40 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “elites to put a handle on us.”

    I just came from an Republican elitist meeting last night and in fact the entire discussion was us fretting over how to we put a handle on the tea dudes/dudettes. Main topic of discussion….

    Remember Phil its what is good for the country, not what feeds your paranoia.

    You do get that right?

  57. #57
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:40 am, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:34 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    It underscores how difficult it will be for the Tea Party to be co-opted by moles like Palin.

    No the Tea Party Movement is being co-opted by people who would have fit in nicely presiding over the Salem Witch Trials.

    In October 2012 you will all still be railing, trying to find someone who is not a mole, tool, etc. etc. etc. etc.

    “Purity” is going to give us four more years of Obama. GREAT!

  58. #58
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:40 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “anyone will be good enough for you.”

    The answer is Phil…

  59. #59
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:41 am, JohnnyD said:

    Good morning all. Lazy day here at the “D” ranch. Glad you made it home okay Michelle.

    As for Beck’s speech, I think he made a very valid point that it is Progressivism that is destroying the orginal intent of this country. I was a bit curious what the reaction from the audience was when he laid into the Republican Party. Don’t get me wrong on this. They deserve every criticism they get. I would have loved to seen their faces though. And to be honest, I fell asleep for the last 5-10 mins. Not because Beck was boring, I was tired and had just eaten plus 2 beers. Boom Boom out went the lights!

    Anyway, a new day has dawned. More snow melting and some house cleaning.

    Have a good day ya’ll.

  60. #60
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:42 am, happyscrapper said:

    Since when is Ron Paul a “truther,” by which I presume you mean “9-11 truther”?

    I have read that in more than one blog. Am I wrong? If so, I will check into it further. I certainly don’t want to make accusations that aren’t true!

  61. #61
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:42 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    President Phil from Pasadena.

    That does have a certain ring to it.

  62. #62
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:42 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    BTW, please pay attention to how comments about Beck are splitting in this thread. Those who liked Beck’s comments are addressing what he said. Those who didn’t like his comments are attacking his Mormonism and his character. Very Alinsky.

  63. #63
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:43 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Ron Paul does NOT believe 9/11 was an inside job.

    He does hold the government’s feet to the fire about being asleep at the wheel. But he is not what would be classed as a “Truther”.

  64. #64
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:45 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “are attacking his Mormonism”

    Very Phil of you. Please point me to a post that “attacked” his Mormonism?

    Do you know what the LDS Mormon’s believe about preparedness and “end times” and how it sounds exactly like much of what Beck is saying?

    Or do you consider being informed “attacking”

    You sound Alinsky in fact there Phil…..

  65. #65
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:47 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Or how about we talk about the common behavioral/personality trait of chemical dependency regardless of the chemical of choice to get out of balance, to do “all or none” in terms of framing a thing? As noted how he can quickly become a clown that is out of balance?

    No wait, we’re now Saul Alinsky?

    Oh Phil, really get that hat back on bud. The rays from Mars are stoking your inner voices.

  66. #66
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:48 am, MarcoPolo said:

    Glenn Beck is a truther: Video of him admitting he has questions is here.

    So, why did he decide to torpedo Medina’s momentum?

    Rick Perry was a Democrat until he was 40 years old. He signed a bill that mandated that your Texas daughters had to have a vaccine. He’s no conservative.

    Hutchison voted for the bailout.

    Glenn Beck is no friend of liberty. He’s a tool in controlling the opposition to the status quo.

  67. #67
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:48 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    jsm: I will not be sucked into debating your insane logic again. Give it up. You are a nut.

  68. #68
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:53 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Anyone who watches Beck on Fox has seen this presentation a bazillion times. Part of his throwing in the Republicans, while certainly true, is to keep the “fair and balanced” banner flying. Anyone on the left who tries to dismiss Beck as a Republican hack will be directed to each and every time Beck trashes the “Republicans”.

    Remember just as is Limbaugh, Beck is an entertainer. He makes a good living, God bless him too, in being one.

    So lets not get all too high and mighty about Beck anymore than we do Limbaugh.

    And the way he has snuggled up with O’reilly has to be at least curious. O’reilly who was way wrong about Limbaugh’s “retard” comments and O’reilly on whose show Michelle will not appear. Something for which there must be a reason.

    Beck is a showman. A well paid, conservative, Mormon, ex-alcholic showman. He is right most of the time and I am glad he is a growing voice and illuminating force. But he is what he is. Wish I was in his role and making his money.

    But President Phil, Beck is not beyond criticism and he is an entertainer/talking head.

    My humble opinion from Alinsky land…..

  69. #69
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:56 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Well Phil, what insane logic is that? That you are a bitter sour coot who thinks he is the definer of “conservative” and while who pretends to be some spokesman for the Tea Party, several Tea Party dudes and dudettes on this very forum have assured us and YOU that you are not?

    That logic?

    The Republican Party is returning to its conservative roots and is absorbing the energy and is changing due to grass roots movements such as the Tea Party. Is the Tea Party THE only conservative grass roots movement? No. I was conservative and involved way before folks who were asleep woke up.

    Glad folks have awakened. It is annoying that folks who were asleep and are now awake act like they are better or more conservative then the rest of us who did not fall asleep in the first place.

    So President Phil were you going to smack me down again like last time?

    I don’t believe I’ve been called a RINO in a week or so if you want to launch that one at me again.

  70. #70
    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:04 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Glenn Beck is a truther:”

    Huh? I watch Beck. He is most certainly NOT a truther. That is an absurd accuasation.

  71. #71
    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:04 am, MarcoPolo said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:22 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    As to Ron Paul winning yesterday, take a look at the ballot. Who else were conservatives supposed to vote for?

    What’s wrong with DeMint?

  72. #72
    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:07 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Paul won the straw poll because he organized a group to vote for him. Something others have done in the past so its not new as a strategy. If you read moment by moment accounts when his winning was announced it was booed….

    His winning means he had a better organized voting strategy for the “straw” poll is all. Nothing more than that.

  73. #73
    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:09 am, MarcoPolo said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:04 am, jsmiddleton4 said:
    Huh? I watch Beck. He is most certainly NOT a truther. That is an absurd accuasation.

    Of course it is. But it’s no more absurd than calling Ron Paul or Deb Medina truthers. Beck and Malkin are actually on record as saying things more critical than either of them did though – that’s my point. Even the 9/11 commission said they still didn’t have answers to all their questions. It doesn’t mean they think the government had anything to do with it.

  74. #74
    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:10 am, MarcoPolo said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:07 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    n the past so its not new as a strategy. If you read moment by moment accounts when his winning was announced it was booed….

    Stay classy, GOP.

  75. #75
    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:14 am, bjc said:

    *Pasadena Phil/Happyscrapper 2012; Now there’s bipartisanship for you! ;)
    *My take on the high Ron Paul straw vote result is that most conservatives/independents are absolutely sick to death of the same old same old coming out of D.C., whether it is the naturally inclined to destroy the country Dems, or the go along without principles Repubs, knowing we are always left to pick up the pieces.
    *S-chip is a prime example; Orrin Hatch is a proud proponent of this program, and of course the Dems love when they can suck some unsuspecting Repub into their web of deceipt; Is this the bipartisanship that Newt speaks of, where the constitution be damned, full speed ahead to socialism?; And if the Newt types are the current brains behind forward thinking conservatism, it may now be time to throw that baby out with the bath water, and once again adopt the constitution and live by the guidance and principles it has always represented!

  76. #76
    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:15 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Redstate has lots of blow by blow, moment by moment CPAC information.

  77. #77
    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:28 am, Sea_Dog said:

    As I see it, the basic problem with Ron Paul is that like Obama, he has no executive experience (and in Obama’s case, no legislative experience either). Look back in history and you will see very few senators or congressmen elected to the Office of the President, and most made a mess of it. The Executive Branch is so named because it manages the country, people with managerial experience (mayors, governors, private sector management) are needed to manage the largest company in the world, not legislators who are schooled in law – they can make it look pretty but it won’t work. I like Ron Pauls stand on not voting for unconstitutional laws, but he should remain a legislator and continue to do the good he is doing there.

  78. #78
    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:29 am, MarcoPolo said:

    Half (48%) of the votes were from students.

    But CPAC also clearly said that number is historically consistent.

  79. #79
    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:32 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:04 am, MarcoPolo said:

    I wouldn’t make too much of the CPAC poll but DeMint isn’t running for prez and I am pretty sure he wasn’t campaigning for votes. Face it, there are no viable conservatives in the GOP… yet. That is what 2010 should be about.

    If we don’t focus, we will once again have to suffer through Huckabee anti-Mormonism and anti-Catholicism (and the rest of the Southern Baptist checklist), Romney wishy-washiness, Gingrich book campaigns, and the rest of the GOP ego-maniac pandering nonsense. Just look at all of the recycled anti-Paul lies on this thread already. How soon we forget.

    We haven’t even been able to wrest ourselves from the noseholding RINO zombies on this site, even after making great strides with the Tea Party movement.

    If DeMint is going to be a serious contender in 2012, which I am praying for, we need to help him via the Tea Party movement. We can reward him in 2012 for all of the help he has been to us through November. But let’s focus on 2010. 2012 will be a disaster if we fail this year.

  80. #80
    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:33 am, MarcoPolo said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:28 am, Sea_Dog said:

    k. I like Ron Pauls stand on not voting for unconstitutional laws, but he should remain a legislator and continue to do the good he is doing there.

    I agree with that. I think he’s more of a philosopher than an actual viable candidate. If nothing else, he’s far too divisive in the party.

  81. #81
    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:36 am, MarcoPolo said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:28 am, Sea_Dog said:

    As I see it, the basic problem with Ron Paul is that like Obama, he has no executive experience…

    Now that I think about it, didn’t he run a successful medical practice?

  82. #82
    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:42 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I thought Ron Paul was the dude with the eye patch during the opening sequences for Sponge Bob Square Pants?

  83. #83
    On February 21st, 2010 at 12:07 pm, rightisright said:

    Lance Cpl. Kielin T. Dunn, R.I.P. soldier,thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service to your country.

  84. #84
    On February 21st, 2010 at 12:35 pm, Sea_Dog said:

    MarcoPolo said: Now that I think about it, didn’t he run a successful medical practice?

    Good point, however, running a practice is far different than running a large medical corporation. In my company (not a medical corp) our management candidates are given a test to determine whether they can delegate authority properly or whether they just hand off everything to their subordinates to handle. Obama’s management ‘style’ is to delegate everything while he goes out on the 24/7 campaign trail. Old adage, you can delegate authority, but you can not delegate responsibility; Obama’s lack of management experience results in pushing the responsibility onto his subordinates to achieve plausible denial-ability so that he will never be responsible for the failures from lack of leadership. We need leaders, Commanders-in-Cheif, not Campaigners-in -Cheif.

  85. #85
    On February 21st, 2010 at 12:38 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:
  86. #86
    On February 21st, 2010 at 12:39 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “running a practice is far different than running a large medical corporation”

    As a group in healthcare want to know who scores the WORSE at providing their employees with benefits?

    I’m sure you already guessed it.

    Doctor’s private practice offices.

  87. #87
    On February 21st, 2010 at 12:41 pm, Sea_Dog said:

    Make that “Commanders-in-Chief, not Campaigners-in-Chief.” – didn’t hold my tongue right.

  88. #88
    On February 21st, 2010 at 12:44 pm, Cogs said:

    Earlier this morning I told Anita I would watch Beck’s CPAC performance again, regarding his comments (bashing) about Bush. Well, I did; the whole thing.

    He made one single reference to W; saying basicly his spending was nuts. That was it and I agree. That’s not Bush-bashing in my book.

    Having said that, and after reading some of the comments from the last 2-1/2 hours, it has become clear to me that we have a few Trolls on the blog. And I’m not surprised, as that is one of the Progressives tactics.

  89. #89
    On February 21st, 2010 at 12:47 pm, graysonret said:

    Been reading about states wanting to raise the tobacco tax again. They say they need to increase revenue and encourage people to quit. Now, if I was a smoker, I would see that as contradictory. Wouldn’t they want me to continue to smoke in order to help with the budget? If, as they want, people quit, there wouldn’t be an “increase in revenue”.

  90. #90
    On February 21st, 2010 at 12:48 pm, Sea_Dog said:

    My wife has been an RN for 25+ years and the only time she has ever had any benefits was when she was working in the state hospital system.

  91. #91
    On February 21st, 2010 at 12:53 pm, Sea_Dog said:

    I believe it can be proven that in every case where a ‘sin tax’ has been imposed, it has failed to live up to it’s revenue generation forecasts – either people quit or they find a way around it.

  92. #92
    On February 21st, 2010 at 12:54 pm, graysonret said:

    True, Sea_Dog. The black market thrives on heavily taxed items.

  93. #93
    On February 21st, 2010 at 12:56 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “And I’m not surprised, as that is one of the Progressives tactics.”

    So if we criticize Beck we are progressive trolls?

  94. #94
    On February 21st, 2010 at 12:56 pm, Flyoverman said:

    What I see at this point are a lot of decent to nice choices, which is good, as is all competition.

    My mission is I want my Peolsi Puppet Congressman gone in November, Obama reduced to irrelevancy from that point on, and him removed in 2012.

    I admit, I will work to get my kind of conservative candidate on the ballot. However, given the current “Progressive/Socialist” threat from the other side, if I have to vote for a Rockefeller Republican, I will. I consider the threat of the Progressives and Obama to be that serious.

    I understand the concerns of posters like Phil. The “candidates” need to be vetted and asked hard questions:

    Newt, “What were you thinking sitting next to Nancy and your actions in NY-23?”

    Ron, “Given your stance on the withdrawl of the US military world-wide, how would you fight the War on Terror?”

    Mitt, “Why can you say you are pro-life, when as governor you signed a law, providing state funded abortions with a $50 so-pay.”

    Sarah, “Why would you ever endorse John McCain for re-election?”

    How all the candidates answer questions like these will provide us with our choices. But, I am of the opinion, whoever is chosen should get our support, because the people in the White House are not Americans and the majority leaders in Congress are not even Clinton Democrats; they are a direct threat to the Constituion.

  95. #95
    On February 21st, 2010 at 12:58 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I would love to work alongside a doctor in like chronic disease management in a PCP type pratice and make the gate keeper idea effective for a doct’rs practice AND the patient. In theory it is a great frame work for patient care. Would only do so for a staffing model like Cigna, etc., however.

  96. #96
    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:00 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Sarah, “Why would you ever endorse John McCain for re-election?”

    I don’t think that is a fair question. One would have to ask what is the answer going to tell you and what impact does the answer have. Are you looking for reasons to make a candidate shoot themselves in the foot and be divisive party wide?

    The question is suspect and wreaks of a personal agenda just in the way the question is asked.

    Its sorta like, “Have you quit beating your wife yet?”

  97. #97
    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:06 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    This is a person who has repeatedly misquoted the Constitution, has invented amendments and ignored existing ones, has promulgated the most extreme number of unconstitutional appointments, executive orders and bills…

    Quite an improvement over his Presidential abilties though…

  98. #98
    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:09 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:00 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Sarah, “Why would you ever endorse John McCain for re-election?”

    I don’t think that is a fair question

    I totally agree with you; it is not, and I personally would not ask it. However, there are posters on this blog who DO feel it is a fair question. I respect their right to ask it.

    The question posed to Ron Paul was mine; the others I included, because they have been prominently asked by others.

  99. #99
    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:10 pm, Cogs said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 12:56 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:
    “And I’m not surprised, as that is one of the Progressives tactics.”

    So if we criticize Beck we are progressive trolls?

    Sorry JS, a good try, but I don’t fall for straw-man questions either (another trick of the Left).

  100. #100
    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:11 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Os so you tell me….

    Sponge Bob Square Pants pirate dude:
    http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7500000/Spongebob-Squarepants-Intro-spongebob-squarepants-7539416-720-480.jpg

    Ron Paul:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ron_Paul,_official_Congressional_photo_portrait,_2007.jpg

    Beard, eye patch, Pirate hat….

    I’m telling you, same guy!

    Have you ever seen Ron Paul and Sponge Bob Pirate dude in the same room together at the same time?

    I didn’t think so!

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