Sunday open thread

By Michelle Malkin  •  February 21, 2010 06:30 AM

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  1. #101
    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:14 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Sorry JS, a good try, but I don’t fall for straw-man questions either (another trick of the Left).”

    Huh? There is no straw man about it. Want to talk about an Alinsky tactic? Shut down the critics by accusing them of all sorts of stuff and make matters black and white.

    So IF we criticize tea party, we’re RINO’s? IF we criticize Beck we’re progressive left trolls? If we bring it up we’re leftist attempting straw man arguments?

    Oh really?

    This is all you got?

    Kinda sad actually.

    Glad to see the arrogance of folks who consider themselves and only themselves to be “true” conservatives is on “easy to see” display however.

  2. #102
    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:16 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Usually it is however President Phil from Pasadena’s job to call me a RINO though. So if you can please wait your turn and don’t step on President Phil’s spanking strategy.

  3. #103
    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:17 pm, Sea_Dog said:

    Flyoverman said: What I see at this point are a lot of decent to nice choices, which is good, as is all competition…I admit, I will work to get my kind of conservative candidate on the ballot…

    I have to admit that the one thing I give Obama credit for is raising the general public’s knowledge of the Constitution and the legislative process. I too, am going out and working for my candidate to replace G.K. Butterfield in Congress. I am also going to address my school board, the ones who are trying to stop teaching US History before 1877. I have always agreed that the voting age should be 18, if they are going to be dying for our country, they should have a right to vote in it, however, given the amount of liberal c*** that is being pounded into their heads from grade school on up by progressive teachers and professors, I wonder if we need to revise that law to require a history of employment. I also think that it should be a high school graduation requirement to pass the same citizenship test given to those desiring citizenship in this country. But then I would be a racist!

  4. #104
    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:30 pm, Cogs said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:14 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:
    “Sorry JS, a good try, but I don’t fall for straw-man questions either (another trick of the Left).”

    Huh? There is no straw man about it. Want to talk about an Alinsky tactic? Shut down the critics by accusing them of all sorts of stuff and make matters black and white.

    So IF we criticize tea party, we’re RINO’s? IF we criticize Beck we’re progressive left trolls? If we bring it up we’re leftist attempting straw man arguments?

    Oh really?

    This is all you got?

    Kinda sad actually.

    Glad to see the arrogance of folks who consider themselves and only themselves to be “true” conservatives is on “easy to see” display however.

    Allow me to explain; for example, when folks strongly criticize Obama, a common response from the Left is, “Why do you hate America?” Now those inexperienced with this whole world-wide inter-web thing will often run with that straw-man question, defending their comments; even though they never implied anything of the sort.

    Arguing with a Progressive is futile, they only wish to argue, they care little about the subject; it’s in their nature. Remember, with Progressives, it’s not about health-care, global warming, abortion or any of their pet causes. It’s all about money, power and control, period.

    While they keep us busy defending our positions, behind the scenes, they are working to gain money, power and control. If you don’t get it, ask a magician to explain it to you.

    Now, I’m done with you; but feel free to insult away. Gosh, come to think of it, name-calling is the mark of a Progressive!

  5. #105
    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:34 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Well golly gee thanks cog…

    Doesn’t answer my question though. As in how is it IF we criciticize Beck we are therefore progressive trolls?

    And if the best a “conservative” has is to react in that fashion, that is sad.

    Lame, sad, empty, hallow, etc.

    So is that the strategy? Label folks that criticize Tea Party, Beck, etc. as leftist trolls?

    Ah I see.

  6. #106
    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:39 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “If you don’t get it”

    What I get is I am a conservative because it is the right thing to be. It is self evident. I am not a conservative because I have drum up paranoid “scenes” about they and them.

    I am a conservative for IT, not because I am afraid. I am a conservative because I am hopeful, positive and able to be open minded and open eyed about my own point of view.

    I don’t need to call someone who criticizes Beck a leftist troll. I’m not all insecure like that.

    Maybe you are.

    But I can assure you conservatism is way stronger than your and President Phil’s obvious insecurity and tin foil hat paranoia.

  7. #107
    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:43 pm, Cogs said:

    You know folks, it’s like Rush says; once you understand how they think, you can catch’em every time. Like a trout to a yummy fly (tee-hee).

  8. #108
    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:45 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    No wait, doesn’t Beck spend almost all his time making the case to be afraid of them or they?

    Did I stumble on a common theme?

    No, I’m sure I’m not that smart.

  9. #109
    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:51 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:17 pm, Sea_Dog said:

    Good approach.

    If they hate your guts, you are on the right track. ;)

  10. #110
    On February 21st, 2010 at 1:51 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Well there is a difference. Beck sells books by the tons…..

    I’m sure that is just benign.

  11. #111
    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:06 pm, tbear44 said:

    Beck was fantastic. Barry take notice: Now there is an example of a great speaker!

  12. #112
    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:09 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:06 pm, tbear44 said:

    Beck was fantastic. Barry take notice: Now there is an example of a great speaker!

    A contrast between a man who speaks from his soul versus a man who speaks from his teleprompter.

  13. #113
    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:10 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    I do not support Ron Paul but he is one of very few CONSERVATIVES who challenged McCain and has a lot of supporters. Mocking the man seems unhelpful; yes a lot of his supporters are quite young. Believe it or not we were young once–I think.

  14. #114
    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:11 pm, Avi Green said:

    Oh well. Let’s see what I got to plug here this time.

    From my politics blog: Germany’s sincerity in the war against terror is in question, plus a few more details of note.

    From my comics blog: this is an old review I wrote of Sword of the Atom, which I encourage everyone to try out. I think it’s a very well done story for its time, and if there’s any “minor” superhero you could try out, it’s the Mighty Mite.

    And, from my game blog: journey into The Next Space!

  15. #115
    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:11 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    This gets its about right….

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/02/21/the-good-the-bad-the-discordant-and-the-uncomfortable/

    No wait, Maybe Redstate is a progressive troll website?

  16. #116
    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:18 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:10 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Mocking the man seems unhelpful;

    Some of our posters enjoy eating their young.

  17. #117
    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:31 pm, tbear44 said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:10 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:
    I do not support Ron Paul but he is one of very few CONSERVATIVES who challenged McCain and has a lot of supporters. Mocking the man seems unhelpful; yes a lot of his supporters are quite young. Believe it or not we were young once–I think.

    Funny that these young people would back a guy who will be close to 80 years old in 2012.

  18. #118
    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:32 pm, BrianNY said:

    EVER CHANGING DEMOCRAT RULE #1,254,839,666 – POLITICIANS’ KIDS ARE NOW FAIR GAME

    As difficult as it is, I recommend trying to watch this season’s first episode of Bill Maher’s show on HBO, it’s constantly being repeated this week.

    A liberal panel consisting of, 1) Disgraced, Deviant, Failed, Former-Democrat-Governor of NYS – Elliot Spitzer, 2) Liberal Creator of “The Family Guy,” and obvious Democrat – Seth MacFarland, and 3) MSNBC Democrat spokeswoman – Norah O’Donnell, spent a considerable part of the show using a politician’s child as a comical prop of ridicule…no, make that a politician’s infant child used as a comical prop of ridicule…no, make that a politician’s infant child with Down Syndrome as a comical prop of ridicule, courtesy of MacFarlan’s recent “Family Guy” episode.

    There were lots of liberal laughs shared by all, Spitzer and O’Donnell included, at the expense of an infant with Down Syndrome. Even in today’s Liberal/Political environment, this is a new benchmark in democrat civility…a benchmark so hypocritically guarded by liberals when it comes to names like Amy Carter, Chelsea Clinton, Al Gore III, Malia and Natasha Obama, and Ashley Biden.

    But Bill Maher and his audience have now decided that an infant with Down Syndrome is fair game. You simply have to see this for yourself.

    Do fair minded Americans simply continue to shake their heads in disgust at the ever-evolving democrat playbook…or is it finally Game On?

  19. #119
    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:35 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Perhaps these young people are desperately seeking SOMEONE who isn’t just spouting bull–I am sure they get enough of that in colleges. They are working our side-be nice. I tried being nice and it wasn’t too terribly hard.

  20. #120
    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:36 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:32 pm, BrianNY said:

    Do fair minded Americans simply continue to shake their heads in disgust at the ever-evolving democrat playbook…or is it finally Game On?

    Japanese making every attempt to crash their planes into American ships was not an indication they were winning either.

  21. #121
    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:39 pm, rightwingmom said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:10 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Mocking the man seems unhelpful;

    He makes it easy when he insists:
    1. We created the terrorists
    2. Bring ALL troops home
    3. Bury our heads in the sand (my paraphrase)
    4. Increase funding for first-responders.

    I agree with him that the Fed. needs to be audited…but that’s about it.

    Besides, a man with a whiny voice does not instill confidence in me.

  22. #122
    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:46 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:39 pm, rightwingmom said:

    I find it “easy” to refute his positions, but what motivates you to mock him? What is despicable about his morals or conduct that merits mocking him?

    That is my problem with the discourse. I have no desire to conduct myself like the Left. They can’t just disagree, they have to mock, ridicule and attempt to destroy those they disagree with.

    It’s not personal; it’s business.

  23. #123
    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:55 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    As someone who watches the televised activities of the House Financial Services Committee, I often get to listen to Ron Paul expressing his views. The man is far from nutty. It could be argued convincingly that he has been a lone voice in the wilderness for a long time.

    Much, if not all, of the mockery is rooted in the lies that are told about him. I disagree with Libertarians about many things but being a Libertarian doesn’t make one a “nut”.

    If conservative principles are important, few, if any, can match Paul’s steadfastness in defending and promoting our interests.

    Funny how “perfection is the enemy of the good” only when attacking conservatives for refusing to support yet another Assistant Democrat GOP candidate.

  24. #124
    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:00 pm, BrianNY said:

    #124 Flyoverman:

    Japanese making every attempt to crash their planes into American ships was not an indication they were winning either.

    I agree, and the day I find myself behaving like a liberal-progressive is the day I admit I have a serious lapse in honor and morality.

    But c’mon…someone has to publicly question Brian Williams up to Jeff Zucker as to why one of their employees is ridiculing an infant child with Down Syndrome on HBO.

  25. #125
    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:00 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    BTW, this constant war on Ron Paul is not rooted in fear that he can win the nomination but that he will be involved in shaping the party platform in regards to banking regulation.

    His ideas on banking and the Federal Reserve belong in this discussion and as the long time champion for trimming back the power of banks and the Fed, he is the best advocate for those who believe in accountability and an honest banking system. That explains most of his popularity among conservatives and young college students. He makes perfect sense on that issue and mustn’t be easily dismissed as a “nut”.

  26. #126
    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:03 pm, rightwingmom said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 2:46 pm, Flyoverman said: What is despicable about his morals or conduct that merits mocking him?

    Where was I personal? The whiny voice?

    It matches his ideals about not defending ourselves against proven enemies. He’d prefer spending money on better ambulance services than stopping our enemies from hurting us EVER AGAIN.

    I guess I’m just a woman who likes a man who will stand up and fight…when the cause is just.

    Glad Gen. George Washington didn’t have this ideal or we’d be sipping tea and pledging the British flag today.

  27. #127
    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:11 pm, Flyoverman said:

    But c’mon…someone has to publicly question Brian Williams up to Jeff Zucker as to why one of their employees is ridiculing an infant child with Down Syndrome on HBO.

    Fair question. The answer is we are Untermenschen; we deserve to be treated that way.

    They hate us. Once you understand that everything is easy.

  28. #128
    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:15 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:03 pm, rightwingmom said:

    I will state that I disagree with Ron Paul’s foreign policy views. Nuff said.

    I prefer firing my ammo at the people who truly want to hurt me. See BrianNY’s post #122 for details.

    Know your enemy.

  29. #129
    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:16 pm, Flyoverman said:

    He makes perfect sense on that issue and mustn’t be easily dismissed as a “nut”.

    Agreed.

  30. #130
    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:32 pm, swede said:

    Flyoverman said:
    If they hate your guts, you are on the right track.

    What if Olbermoron, instead of calling Michelle “a mashed up bag of meat with lipstick”, called her a thoughtful and provocative commentator? She would be off the deep end. The guage of whether you are in the right battle is the intensity of fire you draw.

  31. #131
    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:37 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:32 pm, swede said:

    The guage of whether you are in the right battle is the intensity of fire you draw.

    The fact that the MSM, the entire Democrat Party, Michelle Steele, the RNC, 85% of the professionals inside the Beltway, the DailyKos, Moveon.Org, and the far right of the Tea Party movement all hate Sarah Palin’s guts tells me there is probably something very special about her that makes me put her on my short list people I would vote for for President.

  32. #132
    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm, rightwingmom said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:15 pm, Flyoverman said:

    AMEN!!!

    My opinion on the political exploitation of Down’s Syndrome is EXTREMELY personal! My sister has Down’s. She’s 18 months younger than me. You’ll never meet a more pure or innocent soul in your life!

    The abuse of the innocent for Alinsky-style tactics is a new low. Especially the father of the Down’s actress claiming the email response to Palin were in his daughter’s own words. HOW STUPID DOES HE THINK WE ARE?!?!

  33. #133
    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pm, graysonret said:

    But Bill Maher and his audience have now decided that an infant with Down Syndrome is fair game.

    If it was a child of a liberal, they would be screaming their heads off. It shows the hypocrisy of politics. I find it extremely offensive that they would redicule of Down’s child. I’ve worked with them; they’re terrific people, who love life and take pride in what they can do.

  34. #134
    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:49 pm, Cogs said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:37 pm, Flyoverman said:
    The fact that the MSM, the entire Democrat Party, Michelle Steele, the RNC, 85% of the professionals inside the Beltway, the DailyKos, Moveon.Org, and the far right of the Tea Party movement all hate Sarah Palin’s guts tells me there is probably something very special about her that makes me put her on my short list people I would vote for for President.

    Point of order; I have to disagree with you here. Though I agree that the Dinosaur Media and those on the Left hate her; Michael Steele (I think you meant “Michael”) and the Tea Party folks do not.

  35. #135
    On February 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm, rightwingmom said:

    Where can I get a laurel of roses like Johnny Weir??? (((puke)))

  36. #136
    On February 21st, 2010 at 5:06 pm, jangar said:

    …far right of the Tea Party movement all hate Sarah Palin’s guts…

    Huh? Please explain what far right not liking Palin.

    I’m about as far right as they come (my definition) and I hold her in very high esteem. With the possible exception of her endorsement of McCain (which I know she was pretty much obligated to do), I consider Sarah a spokesperson for conservativism and family values for anyone to admire. Perhaps not presidential material, but she sure can shed that disinfecting light into the political spectrum.

  37. #137
    On February 21st, 2010 at 5:23 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 5:06 pm, jangar said:

    Huh? Please explain what far right not liking Palin.

    Fair question. Posts 48 and 52 are indicative of the extreme right of the Tea Party Movement.

    Please understand…….. this is not a knock on the Tea Party Movement whatsoever. I am only referring to 2-3% of its followers. All organizations have them. That is the reality of any large group.

    I am to the Right of Attlla the Hun myself. My point is that all extremists and the establishment of both parties have no time for her and are very vocal in their comments about her.

    One should find that covergance of views interesting.

  38. #138
    On February 21st, 2010 at 5:27 pm, Flyoverman said:

    P.S. I admire Palin, because she is a LEADER and has the courage of her convictions. We could use more of that in this country’s political life.

  39. #139
    On February 21st, 2010 at 6:06 pm, jangar said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 5:23 pm, Flyoverman said: #141

    I consider extreme right to be the bible-thumping crowd (biblical world view of things) and not the staunch and snobbish brood that eats politics 3 squares daily and can’t stand the slightest variance.

    Gee, there’s a lot of different flavors in the tent!

  40. #140
    On February 21st, 2010 at 6:08 pm, jangar said:

    the establishment of both parties have no time for her and are very vocal in their comments about her

    The thoroughbreds & countryclubbers.

  41. #141
    On February 21st, 2010 at 6:18 pm, jangar said:

    P.S. I admire Palin, because she is a LEADER and has the courage of her convictions. We could use more of that in this country’s political life.

    Everything she does is done through the way she sees the world. She lives her faith in Christ and is not afraid to talk about it. Our founding fathers (most of them) were of the same mold. God makes a man, and that man lives to please God, in everything he/she does.

  42. #142
    On February 21st, 2010 at 6:20 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    By EILEEN SULLIVAN

    WASHINGTON (AP) – Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano says terrorists who are U.S. citizens or live in the country legally and plot against the U.S. are just as big of a concern as international terrorists.

    She says that when she started as secretary a year ago, the focus was largely on international terrorists who want to harm U.S. interests. But in the past year, more of the violent extremism that has been seen overseas is showing up in the U.S.

    She says officials need to drill down and analyze the factors that make a young person, raised in the U.S., migrate to extremist beliefs and actions.

    Napolitano was speaking to governors who are in Washington for their annual conference.

    This sounds halfway reasonable doesn’t it? But as it is Big Sis-Janet Napolitano- I tend to worry. All those vicious returning vets, “bible thumping” pro-lifers, the Tea Party crowds?

  43. #143
    On February 21st, 2010 at 6:27 pm, Huskergirl said:

    Did anyone see the Rasmussen poll that asks about Washington being broken? I don’t think the people see it being broken the same way that Biden does.

  44. #144
    On February 21st, 2010 at 6:32 pm, jangar said:

    She says officials need to drill down and analyze the factors that make a young person, raised in the U.S., migrate to extremist beliefs and actions.

    It’s called Public Education, a lack of historical facts, and Islamic Mosques that have been allowed to sprout up like crabgrass across the country.

  45. #145
    On February 21st, 2010 at 6:35 pm, jangar said:

    Napolitano is more ignorant than she is a leftist.

  46. #146
    On February 21st, 2010 at 6:36 pm, jangar said:

    Obama is more of a leftist than he is ignorant.

    Together, Obama and Napolitano complement each other…toss in Pelosi and Ried and you get something that nobody should ever have to eat.

  47. #147
    On February 21st, 2010 at 7:12 pm, swede said:

    jangar said:
    Obama is more of a leftist than he is ignorant.

    Used to be my take also, but not so much anymore. You really have to wonder about his hopey dopey reaction to the Brown phenomenon. Seems like he really thinks people see him as the answer to disfunctional Washinton instead of the problem, and the strategy going forward is increasing pushing the strategies that have obviously not been working.

    Einstein: Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.

  48. #148
    On February 21st, 2010 at 7:21 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 6:36 pm, jangar said:
    Obama is more of a leftist than he is ignorant.

    Together, Obama and Napolitano complement each other…toss in Pelosi and Ried and you get something that nobody should ever have to eat.

    You’ve eaten my cooking haven’t you? ;)

    Napalitano and Obama comments are two thumbs up!

  49. #149
    On February 21st, 2010 at 7:53 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    That “Straw Poll” at CPAC leaves me underwhelmed.

    It is not so much Ron Paul that turns me off as it is his absolute WHACKJOB SUPPORTERS that were all over the internet telling everyone, everywhere, that we couldn’t be real Americans if we didn’t support Ron Paul. And I haven’t heard so much egregious profanity since I was in the junior high locker room (or MySpace.com which is about the same thing).

    I voted for the Constitution Party last time around. I don’t know that Chuck Baldwin and Ron Paul are that far apart in many views but Chuck Baldwin supporters don’t seem to be as whacky as Ron Paul’s and they certainly use less profanity!

    The biggest problem I see is that there are only two candidates in the top five of the list that I would really be interested in learning more about. And there are 4 candidates on this list that I would never consider voting for.

    This list does NOT represent the best conservatives out there. This list does NOT bode well for conservative candidates in 2012.

    I guess the only saving grace is that Obama pretty well eliminated “experience” and “qualification” and “intelligence” from the characteristics a candidate needs to run for president so the field should be wide open at this point…

    1. Ron Paul – 31%
    2. Mitt Romney – 22%
    3. Sarah Palin – 7%
    4. Tim Pawlenty – 6%
    5. Mike Pence – 5%
    6. Newt Gingrich -4%
    7. Mike Huckabee – 4%
    8. Mitch Daniels – 2%
    9. Rick Santorum – 2%
    10. John Thune – 2%
    11. Haley Barbour – 1%

  50. #150
    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:01 pm, jangar said:

    Even though Obama seems to stick to his ideas without regard for his party’s exodus and the polls, I still say he’s not ignorant…just damn determined to have his way even if the ship burns and sinks to the bottom of the sea. After all, the Dems have all 3 branches, 2 SCOTUS spots opening up, and Obama, after all, is the perfect storm of the extreme hard left pseudo socialist/communist party of the US.

    Plus, he’s got a great secret service detail.

  51. #151
    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:12 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 7:53 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    You are over-analyzing that poll results. It is not that Ron Paul won but that it took a mere 31% to win the poll and that presumed favorites like Sarah Palin garnered only 7% and less. This was the Tea Party expressing its dissatisfaction with the Republican Party. Beck’s keynote speech nailed it when he said that “not sucking as bad as the Democrats is not good enough”. The CPAC poll is not predictive of the 2012 election. It was a verdict on the current state of the GOP and that verdict was: “you guys suck…AGAIN!!!”

    The Ron Paul supporters didn’t “cheat” or “scheme” their way to victory. They showed up and voted. How unfair of them! If the other candidates are so popular, why didn’t they get the votes? Because they aren’t popular.

    This bodes well for conservatives and the Tea Party in 2010 but not if everyone continues to obsess about 2012. First things first.

  52. #152
    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:52 pm, love2rumba said:

    Personally, I think its time to face the fact that for 2012 so far, there really aren’t any really good CONSERVATIVE candidates who could win the majority of participants of this blog or anywhere else’s for that matter.
    The frank is that we have yet to put in a large number of politicians who actually believe unflinchingly in conservatism, and until we do we will be stuck with these circumloquent threads about who’s better than the other (in relative terms, of course) for this or that public office. I wouldn’t spend a lot of energy, for right now, debating a subject when there really isn’t much in the way of material to work with to start with.

  53. #153
    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:57 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    This is rich. Bill Bennett chastising Glenn Beck in defense of the Tea Party.

    It is very short of relevant reason and logic but read it just for a chuckle. Bennett’s main argument is that Beck is deaf, dumb and blind.

    Even John McCain has said again and again that “the Republican party lost its way.”

    Then why doesn’t he retire? Bennett just doesn’t get it. We don’t care that the corrupt country club GOP elites have altered their message to be more in line with Tea Party sentiments. We don’t want them as our leaders! They’ve ALWAYS promised conservatism but delivered progressivism. Get it Bennett?

  54. #154
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:09 pm, jangar said:

    This thread, as did CPAC, seems to focus way too much on 2012 Presidential candidates. If this is so, we are overlooking what is most urgent, and that is the up and coming 2010 election. If we hold true to our conservative values, 2012 will take care of itself, and qualified candidates will float to the top in due season. In other words, patience is a virtue.

  55. #155
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:19 pm, jangar said:

    Pasadena Phil said:

    So what is it going to be, Phil?

    Clinton tried healthcare in his first term, which lead to getting re-elected after a Perot-Party stinker. Are you suggesting once again that a new 3rd party rear its ugly head, splitting the Republican vote, so we can have a continuation of HopeyChange on steroids?

    We get that you don’t want GOPer’s as the current crop that populate the ranks, but the tea party push is sure to slap a few into reality and allow real conservatives to enter the party. We finally have a voice that cannot be ignored, and this is sure to have huge effects with positive results.

  56. #156
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:25 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 8:57 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    I read Bill’s article, and what I read is a difference between Bennett and Beck on how far the GOP has come in turning itself around.

    Okay they disagree, but I view that disagreement as an opportunity for discussion. With discussion comes understanding.

    If we are going to unseat the people currently in the majority, we are going to need like-minded allies on the principle issues.

    I hate to burst your bubble, but The Tea Party movement lacks the numbers necessary to attain its objectives. It might be best to build bridges and seek alies rather than blowing the bridges and shooting those with views not congruent with yours.

  57. #157
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:27 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:19 pm, jangar said:

    We finally have a voice that cannot be ignored, and this is sure to have huge effects with positive results.

    Really? Who? And where did I say anything about a 3rd party? The GOP IS the 3rd party.

    My last comment was pointing out how the GOP elites are trying to co-opt the Tea Party. Who is Bill Bennett to be defending us in the face of Glenn Beck? His is such a ham-handed attempt that you have to laugh.

    We’ll see how many of these clowns are still around and talking after November.

  58. #158
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:28 pm, bjc said:

    *It is imperative that Tea Party activists, independents, and dissatisfied Dem and Repub members continue to focus on changing the face of D.C. where they can, and that is in the primaries and November; Remove all incumbents that refuse to follow the will of the people(that would be most of them), and all RINO’s, period(starting with McCain)!
    *In regards to 2012, a more interesting take on my part is that P-BO will face stiff opposition leading up to the convention from Hillary Clinton and Evan Bayh; A weakened(can it be any moreso?) P-BO then loses in a landslide to Mitt Romney!

  59. #159
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:33 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:28 pm, bjc said:

    I agree with that assessment. The Clinton machine is already in motion. I expect the Dems will turn to her to save them from Obama next year.

  60. #160
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:36 pm, Flyoverman said:

    We’ll see how many of these clowns are still around and talking after November.

    Given your chosen path, pretty much all of them will be there. If this were a war, you lack sufficient combat power. Also, your real enemy has now decided you are worthy of their attention.

    The NY Times article is a minor probe.

    Don’t worry about Bill Bennett. Worry about Rahm Emmanuel. Welcome to the Bigs Phil. I hope you are up to it.

  61. #161
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:37 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Pasadena Phil,

    I disagree. I don’t think I am over-analyzing the numbers. It is the list that concerns me and NOT the relative ranking.

    There are 4 to 6 people on the list who could arguably be defined as “conservatives.” The other 5 to 7 are clearly NOT conservatives. And, though I like many things Ron Paul stands for, I believe he is unelectable. And he is a libertarian and not technically a conservative. That leaves few conservatives on this list.

    Unless somebody comes out of “nowhere” this list does not bode well for conservatives in 2012.

    Of course, assuming Obama and his ACORN buddies allow a fair election in 2012, a dead horse should be able to beat him in a race…

  62. #162
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:38 pm, jangar said:

    The GOP IS the 3rd party.

    This statement can be very confusing for many people to follow in understanding what you are trying to say. I get your position, but would it not be easier to say that the GOP needs a serious housecleaning of the Rino members and to stick to the conservative issues that the tea party has outlined? It is, after all, Reaganesque.

  63. #163
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:50 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:36 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Is there an argument buried somewhere in that insult? Are you drinking tonight? Your comment makes no sense at all relative to anything that I’ve said.

    Is there something confusing to you about THROW OUT THE INCUMBENTS!

  64. #164
    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:51 pm, bjc said:

    *In addition, there are certain “message” primaries out there around the country that are of a higher priority than November(remember, zip, zero, nada people thought we would be saying Senator Scott Brown); It’s not good enough to just beat the Dems like a drum, so I will continue to contribute to:
    **Hayworth over McCain
    **Rubio over Crist
    **DeVore over Fiorina
    *I just want better people that will listen, and that maybe carry around a well worn copy of the constitution in their pocket.

  65. #165
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:49 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:50 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Is there an argument buried somewhere in that insult?

    It is a frank assessment of your overestimation of The Tea Party Movemment’s capabilities and a similar underestimation of your (our) poltical opponents.

    “If your know yourself and you know your opponents in a hundred battles you will be victorious. If you know only yourself or your enemy, your odds in each battle will be equal. If you know neither youerself, nor your opponent, you will be in peril every battle.”

    —– Sun Tzu, 514 b.c.

    We need to “win the battle” for our country, but right now, you fall into category three above.

    The Tea Party Movement is no match for the Democrat Party. Reality check. Without the resources the Republican party can bring to bear, our efforts will fail.

    We need allies, not more enemies. Given your approach, in 1776, we would have been trying to gain our independence while simultaneously fighitng England and our French allies.

    Not a winning strategy.

    Engage the GOP, have vigorous solution based debates, find common ground, and then go kick our common opponent, the Progressives, around the block is my recommendation.

  66. #166
    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:58 pm, love2rumba said:

    Engage the GOP, have vigorous solution based debates, find common ground, and then go kick our common opponent, the Progressives, around the block is my recommendation.

    Agreed, but don’t you have to get rid of the Republican Progressives that currently run the (or is it ruin) the Republican Party, first before you can ally yourself with the Republican Party’s resources?

  67. #167
    On February 21st, 2010 at 11:21 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 10:58 pm, love2rumba said:

    Agreed, but don’t you have to get rid of the Republican Progressives that currently run the (or is it ruin) the Republican Party, first before you can ally yourself with the Republican Party’s resources?

    A worthy goal, but I doubt it is attainable in the short term. It is possible to convert, neutralize, or remove enough of them to “gain control of the corporation.”

    I’ll take 51% stock ownership for now, and get the reminder later.

    Taking advantage of low hanging fruit like McCain, you bet. Go for it.

    However, if your asking me to drum out people like Bill Bennett and Sarah Palin (see PasadenaPhil’s posts) count me out.

  68. #168
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 12:10 am, love2rumba said:

    …However, if your asking me to drum out people like Bill Bennett and Sarah Palin (see PasadenaPhil’s posts) count me out.

    I don’t see anything worthwhile in ‘drumming out’ someone. Rather it is a question are we going to look at (and support) politiicans for what they have been, are, and are likely to be in terms of policy, or are we going to be dazzled by personalities that waffle on policy to get elected/re-elected?

    If we pick personalities over policy (LOTE), I guarantee you, we will be back together once again wondering ‘why don’t they-the GOP leadership- get it?’, and screaming over the latest insanity from the GOP/Left on this blog and elsewhere.

    As for the Tea Party Movement
    not being large enough to eclipse the Democrats. I have this to say: The Republican Party -historically and recently-has shown itself unable to lead against the Democrats in the short-term and long-term…this situation and their survival as a party cannot last…it will either crumble, or it will be taken over, and if it is to be taken over, the new management-just as in the Business World-must be willing to have a vision and be willing to firmly lead (I’m assuming that ‘resources/capital’ is not an issue in my argument, BTW), or it too will fail.

    Lesser of Two Evils as a practice (LOTE), is neither a vision nor is it leadership…but rather the abdication of both vision and leadership, INMO.

    Otherwise, Flyoverman, I have no disagreement with you.

  69. #169
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 12:37 am, love2rumba said:

    The frank

    Should read as “The fact” in post #156.

  70. #170
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 12:39 am, love2rumba said:

    politiicans

    Should read as “politicians” in post 172

  71. #171
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 2:23 am, fuseman said:

    Napolitano is more ignorant than she is a leftist.

    common knowledge.
    here is the proof.

  72. #172
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 5:54 am, love2rumba said:

    …As for Bill Bennett, my problem with him is that he has become a legend in his own mind.

  73. #173
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 8:59 am, WarEagle82 said:

    Well said! LOTE does not get us where we want to go. Bush 43 grew the central government by nearly 50% in 8 years while claiming to be a conservative!

    It will take vision and leadership and a determination to stand up to the Marxists leading us to serfdom! So far, the GOP has not demonstrated it even wants to do this much less the ability to do it!

    On February 22nd, 2010 at 12:10 am, love2rumba said:

    If we pick personalities over policy (LOTE), I guarantee you, we will be back together once again wondering ‘why don’t they-the GOP leadership- get it?’, and screaming over the latest insanity from the GOP/Left on this blog and elsewhere.

    As for the Tea Party Movement not being large enough to eclipse the Democrats. I have this to say: The Republican Party -historically and recently-has shown itself unable to lead against the Democrats in the short-term and long-term…this situation and their survival as a party cannot last…it will either crumble, or it will be taken over, and if it is to be taken over, the new management-just as in the Business World-must be willing to have a vision and be willing to firmly lead (I’m assuming that ‘resources/capital’ is not an issue in my argument, BTW), or it too will fail.

    Lesser of Two Evils as a practice (LOTE), is neither a vision nor is it leadership…but rather the abdication of both vision and leadership, INMO.

  74. #174
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 am, Flyoverman said:

    love2rumba said,

    Its hard to state everything you want to in these posts. I agree fully with your comments regarding LOTE.

    I propose working with the GOP out of a sense of exepediancy and nothing more, as they have been nothing more than the LOTE for way too long.

    They have been spineless, unprincipled, re-elect me at all costs, I can spend my way to popularity, professional politicians for years.

    While I will work with them against a common foe, unless they clean up their act and do some house cleaning in their ranks, I have no desire to embrace them.

  75. #175
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 10:08 am, happyscrapper said:

    On February 21st, 2010 at 9:37 pm, WarEagle82 said:
    Pasadena Phil,

    I disagree. I don’t think I am over-analyzing the numbers. It is the list that concerns me and NOT the relative ranking.

    There are 4 to 6 people on the list who could arguably be defined as “conservatives.” The other 5 to 7 are clearly NOT conservatives. And, though I like many things Ron Paul stands for, I believe he is unelectable. And he is a libertarian and not technically a conservative. That leaves few conservatives on this list.

    Unless somebody comes out of “nowhere” this list does not bode well for conservatives in 2012.

    The list was made up by people who were obviously not all conservatives. I mean, where do they get those names?? There was a poll on FOX last week that included John McCain’s name! Seriously…they pick these names out of their butts. There are plenty of people out there who are contenders, but are not on that list. Who picks the names? The same people who picked McCain for our candidate last time!! We can’t let them get away with that!!

  76. #176
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 10:47 am, WarEagle82 said:

    Once gain, happyscrapper, show me the list? Is there some “hidden” list of nationally prominent actually conservative candidates that I am not allowed to see?

    I mean Bobby Jindal and Bob McDonnell weren’t on the list. Who else is there we might put on the list?

    The list does not bode well for conservatives in 2012…

  77. #177
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 10:58 am, happyscrapper said:

    On February 22nd, 2010 at 10:47 am, WarEagle82 said:
    Once gain, happyscrapper, show me the list? Is there some “hidden” list of nationally prominent actually conservative candidates that I am not allowed to see?

    I mean Bobby Jindal and Bob McDonnell weren’t on the list. Who else is there we might put on the list?

    The list does not bode well for conservatives in 2012…

    Um…Bobby Jindal? Are you serious? He is not electible. As for a list, re-read my post. I didn’t say there was another list. I said there are plenty of good conservative candidates who weren’t on the list put out by CPAC or on the polls done by FOX News and others. We have some good choices out there. One is Marco Rubio. Listen to him…check him out. He is the real deal. Liz Cheney is another conservative who really impresses me. We have time to find our candidates, and they will appear, believe me. We just can’t allow the MSM to choose our candidates for us like they did last time. We need to take back the dialogue and get the word out on the good candidates. The MSM will do their best to smother the best candidates by not covering them or by smearing them. We need to get past those a$$holes and publicize OUR choices!!

  78. #178
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:32 am, zeroangel said:

    Um…Bobby Jindal? Are you serious? He is not electible.

    …and thank goodness for that.

  79. #179
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 12:34 pm, cheapseat said:

    Pas Phil; #155 right on target. One step at a time. No one person is going to be the perfect person for everyone. Your spouse isn’t perfect for God’s sake. Life is a series of choices seeking the best one can get, not the perfect.

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