The $15B Porkulus II cloture roll call vote: Scott Brown, the Voinovich pay-off & business as usual

By Michelle Malkin  •  February 22, 2010 10:33 PM

Scroll for updates…Sen. Brown’s Facebook comment thread in full revolt…

Here is the roll call vote on the Senate’s Porkulus II cloture motion this evening:

The Republicans who joined the Dems to end debate on the phony jobs boondoggle that even the Associated Press points out will create a puny number of jobs:

Scott Brown, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, and retiring Sens. George Voinovich and Kit Bond.

Yes, sigh, Scott Brown. Looks like he hasn’t taken up my suggested D.C. itinerary. But those of us who knew all along what we were getting — a game-changer who vowed to torpedo Demcare, but who was not an ideological conservative — are not surprised. And I pointed out Brown’s moderate record several times on Fox and on this blog during the campaign.

What I want to know is: When will all the lefties who are now gloating and praising Brown retract all the hysterical attacks on him as a “radical” “right-winger?”

My next question is for Sen. Brown: You vowed to end business-as-usual in Washington. But Dingy Harry Reid bought off Voinovich with a business-as-usual legislative bribe. How is this change, Sen. Brown?

Voinovich, who is retiring at the end of 2010, said he agreed to back the bill after getting a commitment from Reid “that he will bring the reauthorization of a multi-year surface transportation bill to the floor for a vote this year.”

Moreover, as I pointed earlier this month, the Reid jobs bill is not the final version of the bill, but a “work in progress” that will inevitably be crammed with more pay-offs in backroom deals before the final vote. Republicans were not allowed to amend the bill.

Smells like more of the same old, same old.

Tea Party folks, pay attention and get on the phones. There are more votes to come, via The Hill:

Democratic lawmakers have tried to address the concerns of allies by promising to pass additional legislation.

“This is not the end of our debate on creating jobs through legislation this year, it’s the beginning of that debate,” said Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.).“There will be another package a few weeks from now, and another package [after that],” said Sen. Jeff Merkley, a Democrat from Oregon, which has an 11 percent unemployment rate.

Labor leaders and liberal advocacy groups have expressed concern that Senate Democrats may not be able to muster the 60 votes necessary to pass additional jobs bills.

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Related: Crikey…Reid on why we need a jobs bill: “Men, when they’re out of work, tend to become abusive.”

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Scott Brown’s Facebook commenters are in full revolt. A sample:

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This is Sen. Brown’s D.C. phone number. Use it:

202-224-4543.

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  1. #1
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 10:44 pm, Blackstone said:

    Well, as regards Brown, we might as well get this whole “honeymoon” phase over with. Better sooner than later, I guess.

  2. #2
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 10:48 pm, love2rumba said:

    At best, Brown is a block of wood in Obamacare…maybe. If he dives on his pledge here, there really is no reason to ever vote LOTE again, for we would not have even got any bang for our buck in having supported him, and the idea that a conservative party need not be created will be further discredited.

    Also remember in his ‘thank you’ speech he did not mention Tea Partiers, MM, or anyone else conservative for having supported him, but clear, almost embelished mention of Mitt Romney and John McCain…this is what you can expect from Progressive Republicans whether they are obvious or not.

  3. #3
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 10:55 pm, beenthere said:

    Well, that was quick. Usually they take a few months before they (i.e. freshman republicans) start making deals with democrats and forget about the ones they left behind. Don’t they? I mean, even McCain voted against the thing. It’s kind of like the new husband carrying his bride across the threshold . . . and dialing up an escort service as soon as she is out of hearing. Bye Bye Brown. I’m so glad I didn’t send him money, not that I have any money to send anyone these days. Those of you who did, want to demand refund?

  4. #4
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 10:56 pm, love2rumba said:

    What I want to know is: When will all the lefties who are now gloating and praising Brown retract all the hysterical attacks on him as a “radical” “right-winger?”

    The first question is a waste of time to ask, for it leads nowhere.

    My next question is for Sen. Brown: You vowed to end business-as-usual in Washington. But Dingy Harry Reid bought off Voinovich with a business-as-usual legislative bribe. How is this change, Sen. Brown?

    The second queastion is absolutely relevant for discussion, however.

  5. #5
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 10:58 pm, d1carter said:

    Why Kit Bond?

  6. #6
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:00 pm, bjc said:

    *Scott Brown will be known for how he votes in any upcoming health care votes, card check votes, cap and tax votes, and other big ticket votes; My expectation is that he will still vote against these country killing measures, as he vowed in his campaign; Only time will tell.
    *And as to business as usual, more and more people are on to these rat bastards and their backroom deals, thanks to MM, Glenn Beck, and a few others; Harry Reid and his ilk will be punished in November!

  7. #7
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:12 pm, graysonret said:

    I suspect that Brown is already working on his re-election, per usual for a senator of either party. I also suspect he got a visit from some democrats who “made him an offer he couldn’t refuse”. Yes, time will tell.

  8. #8
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:17 pm, AmericaFirst said:

    Scott Brown’s ISSUES as noted on his campaign website…

    Economy
    “I am a free enterprise advocate who believes that lower taxes can encourage economic growth. Raising taxes stifles growth, weakens the economy and puts more people out of work. Our economy works best when individuals have more of their income to spend, and businesses have money to invest and add jobs. I have been a fiscal watchdog in the state legislature fighting bigger government, higher taxes and wasteful spending.” -Scott Brown

    Senator Scott, I donated to your campaign. Where exactly is the free enterprise and fiscal discipline you ran your campaign on? Our grandchildren, 50 years from now, will be paying taxes on this Porkulus II destruction of America. YOU LIE!

  9. #9
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:23 pm, infidel4life said:

    What a cowardly betrayal of trust. What a slap in the face kick in the groin to those folks in Mass who voted for him.

  10. #10
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:25 pm, jangar said:

    “probably used a sock anyway”?

    That in itself has got to hurt!

    But hey, what’s $15 billion?

  11. #11
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:27 pm, single stack said:

    I can’t say I’m disappointed in Brown since it was clear that he’s a RINO from the get go.
    I was glad to see him take the “Kennedy seat” away from the Demons but I was under no illusions about him. I knew that he would stab conservatives in the back, which he started doing in his acceptance speech and in his initial visits in Washington.
    I’m not going to be the least surprised if he votes for Obamacare. He has the stench of weasel all over him.

  12. #12
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:30 pm, Lindsay said:

    He will be held to his word.

    Cloture is one thing, how will he vote?

    Politics as usual. Can’t trust any of them…

  13. #13
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:30 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Pretty much what I expected from lil’ Romney.

  14. #14
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:40 pm, jangar said:

    The only one showing a hint of restraint was Nebraska Sen. Nelson.

    That should tell us all we need to know.

  15. #15
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:41 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    McCain supported Brown and Brown will campaign for McCain. Birds of a feather flock together. Expect more mavericky votes from the newest weasel with an R jersey.

    Defeating John McCain must be the top priority for this year. The Weasel King must be removed before he can do anymore for his friends across the aisle.

  16. #16
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:44 pm, Lee Hazel said:

    Where on earth was the Republican Senatorial leadership???

    I can only hope that this newly anointed, bottom of the food chain Senator gets the idea pretty quickly how things are done in DC.

    I have to believe there will not be any Franken/Lieberman type “oh really” moments. This guy wont get the chance.
    At least he shouldn’t.

    PC is Thought Control
    LEE

  17. #17
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:45 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    McCain supported Brown and Brown will campaign for McCain.

    RECYCLE the trash–green jobs for all.

    It is a disappointment but sadly not a big surprise. I do hope his next money bomb bombs but it was fun while it lasted. Now I get back to the work of help derail the McCains-John, Cindy and Magan.

  18. #18
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:47 pm, jangar said:

    “This is not the end of our debate on creating jobs through legislation this year, it’s the beginning of that debate,”

    Hey you corn-holers…DC does not create jobs, but get in the way! Entrepreneurs and businesses create jobs. GET OUT OF THE WAY!

    Commie bastards…

  19. #19
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:52 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    Wow, all of one month and the people who wanted Brown to be the next R nomination for president are condemning Scott Brown. That’s gotta be a record for America’s favorite past-time (condemning people).

    I like politics not so much because I care, but because it is interesting. Consider this off topic remark.

    Lots of Republicans are saying that there shouldn’t be a third party. . . gotta be R or D. Think of how amazing the transition of their opinions will become when Ron Paul wins the R nomination.

    Rush, Levin, Hot Air, everyone will be DEMANDING a third party because they won’t vote for Paul.

    Fascinating. McCain won last time because everyone else was an amateur. Rudy’s Florida strategy proved it because so many people thought it’d work for the front runner. For the record, Ron Paul got more votes in Fl than Rudy.

    Paul’s supporters are fanatic and they can win a straw poll in Iowa. From there it is a toss up. . . but it’s a momentum thing. I hope some of hot air’s readers learned something through the experience even though the highlights weren’t always hit by the lead bloggers.

    Ron Paul can EASILY do what McCain did. If Paul does win the R nomination. . . does that mean that we shouldn’t have a 3rd party?

    Just like I enjoyed watching the Republicans squirm as McCain won the nom through New Hampshire, the Ron Paul nomination is going to be epic.

  20. #20
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:54 pm, mytake said:

    Maybe they offered him a plane to replace his truck. How fast they can be bought! Liars all!!! And what is the story with Maine? I thought that was a state of rugged individuals.

  21. #21
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:57 pm, winemkr said:

    The last time my heart raced this quickly was the first time I jumped out of a plane at Fort Benning.

    That was several decades ago.

    Scott Brown is a week worm, a maggot, a fraud, a liar, and a craven northeastern politician.

    BTW

    Was his election his 15 minutes of fame, or is the clock still ticking?

  22. #22
    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:58 pm, jangar said:

    Anymore, Oklahoma is about the only state left with reason and statesmen.

  23. #23
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:05 am, ThunderHawkk said:

    I think J. McCain is the cancer in the Republican party. He has so much power and seniority, he is corrupting the entire party.

    This slow-witted, computer-illiterate has got to go!

    If I was in the Senate, or the House, and obama threatened me with a deal of some kind, I’d secretly record it and then play it over the internet. Screw the liberals.

  24. #24
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:08 am, love2rumba said:

    Was his election his 15 minutes of fame, or is the clock still ticking?

    No. Apparently it was his chance to talk about getting his daughter dates, and gain attention to his posing for
    Cosmopoitan Magazine some time ago.

    Don’t worry he’ll be waving the Flag when he is up for re-election in 2 years.

  25. #25
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:09 am, love2rumba said:

    Cosmopoitan Cosmopolitan Magazine some time ago.

  26. #26
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:17 am, Roland said:

    Just like I enjoyed watching the Republicans squirm as McCain won the nom through New Hampshire, the Ron Paul nomination is going to be epic.

    I mean no disrespect by saying this, but your comment shows great ignorance about American politics.

    Republicans believe America has been and is a powerful force for good in the world. The serious debate in the party between the interventionists and the noninterventionists has to do with whether or not our sacrifices of our blood and treasure to help the world are worth it for us, or, more to the point, if they are Constitutional.

    Ron Paul speaks as if he believes America has treated the world badly.

    Those views are totally irreconcilable.

    Paul does not speak of our intervention in Iran in 1953 as having been a mistake because the blowback wasn’t worth the benefit. He speaks of it as though we did wrong to the Iranians.

    There is absolutely no chance he or anyone who espouses that kind of view of America and its relationship to the world will ever get the Republican nomination for President.

    With regard to foreign policy, Paul’s view are radical leftwing.

  27. #27
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:25 am, rightwingrocker said:

    Senator Scott, I donated to your campaign. Where exactly is the free enterprise and fiscal discipline you ran your campaign on?

    I’m not going to be playing I told you so games here, but no one should be buying any “fiscal discipline” crap coming from a politician, especially from a Massachusetts liberal.

    OK just one I told you so, just because I caught so much hell for calling attention to Brown being a liberal selling himself as a conservative, but I’m not going to rub anyone’s face in it. I was once a LOTE voter myself.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  28. #28
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:28 am, Roland said:

    I was once a LOTE voter myself.

    Yes. We know. And now you only vote for people who aren’t in the race.

  29. #29
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:32 am, rightwingrocker said:

    With regard to foreign policy, Paul’s view are radical leftwing.

    I’m not a huge fan of Ron Paul per se, but his views on foreign policy are more in line with Washington’s than anyone posting on this blog, therefore making those views radical RIGHT-WING (if, like me, you recognize the liberals’ penchant for calling people who hold the Founders’ views “radical right-wing extremists”).

    I wouldn’t mind giving isolationism a try. What we’ve been doing has only cost us lives and money with very little to show for it. Paul would most likely pull back and then trounce anyone who attacked us (promptly pulling back again after thoroughly doing so). That’s a libertarian thing, and has nothing to do with any part of the Left.

    I don’t mind having our military out and about, but to fight wars in the fashion being fought by Bush and Obama is simply foolish. Tehran and Damascus should have been glass parking lots a long time ago.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  30. #30
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:37 am, rightwingrocker said:

    Yes. We know. And now you only vote for people who aren’t in the race.

    And you only vote for people who will bankrupt America and turn her into a socialist utopia – oh yeah, as long as they get nominated by the Republican Party. That’s really impressive – NOT.

    Chris Christie is fat … and Jon Corzine is bald.

    Had I voted for McCain, he would have still lost, and had he ascended to the White House, things would be as bad as they are now or worse. Just look at the great job he’s done as senator – and that Scott Brown is doing a bang-up job as well, now isn’t he?

    When Republicans get as much of a backbone in appointing their candidates as they do in demonizing those of us who won’t fall for their foolishness, they just might get somewhere.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  31. #31
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:44 am, atheling said:

    There’s RWR, only going after conservatives, moderates and Republicans.

    Ever hear him say a word against progressives? Or against Obama?

    As for Ron Paul’s foreign policy, well, there’s not much difference between him and Obama. Apologetic, Israel-hater, and Blame America First.

    And anyone who thinks we can have “isolationism” in the presence of ICBMs is a fool who does not live in reality.

    Btw, Ronrocker, you and Ron Paul have something in common besides the same first name: You attack allies and ignore the real enemy.

  32. #32
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:45 am, Roland said:

    What we’ve been doing has only cost us lives and money with very little to show for it.

    That is my view regarding our recent adventures in nation building, and it is the view of many conservative noninterventionists.

    However, Paul’s view is that we were doing wrong to others, such as the 1953 Iranians. Not just that it was a bad move for us. That is a very different view.

    You may think that difference does not matter, but you should think it through.

    You should not want a Blame America Firster as President, whether that person is Clinton or Obama or Paul.

  33. #33
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:54 am, Roland said:

    And anyone who thinks we can have “isolationism” in the presence of ICBMs is a fool who does not live in reality.

    I am a punitivist. If a nation means us harm, we should kick them in the nuts. Preferably, kill whatever crackpots who are leading them who mean us harm.

    Reagan did exactly right in going after Kaddafi. That is how you exercise power. You go after your enemies. Directly.

    If we did that instead of what we do, being America’s mortal enemy would be a suicidal thing to do, and everyone would know it.

    How many mullahs are calling from their pulpits for the mass murder of Americans? How many thousands of them??

    We should be hunting down and killing every one of them. They are at war with us. They declare themselves to be our mortal enemies.

  34. #34
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:58 am, rightwingrocker said:

    Ever hear him say a word against progressives? Or against Obama?

    Btw, Ronrocker, you and Ron Paul have something in common besides the same first name: You attack allies and ignore the real enemy.

    You haven’t read my blog,or any comments around here.

    I’ve spoken out against progressives time and time again – Brown and McCain for starters right here in this thread. You obviously don’t read much of what I present.

    As for your comments on isolationism, no one suggests that the United States should not defend herself and present the world’s most formidable defense systems. What your typical isolationist suggests (and I know many of them) is that we should be more reactive with our military. We have the ability to know when we are being attacked well in advance, and SDI (which most isolationists support) would increase this ability, so react to that with the full power and force of the United States military and crush the attacker decisively and permanently – then simply leave them to their devices. It’s not my ideal situation, but it does make sense. Furthermore, it is completely in line with George Washington’s warnings in his farewell address (I’m pretty sure that’s where he made his warnings – don’t quote my source though).

    You really should think things through and inform yourselves. I’m not a Paul supporter any more than I’m a McCain supporter, but I do know what he stands for and why – largely because I have to respond to Paul supporters when hey challenge me.

    When politicians do the right thing, I do give them credit. Check out any KABOOM post on my blog – the most recent are pro-Obama, while the ones attributable to Bush similarly give him credit. I do love to celebrate our military victories, and it makes no difference who is in the White House – a military victory is a military victory and the commander-in-chief deserves some credit.

    Right now, you are the one attacking allies and ignoring the real enemy. The enemy is progressive liberals like Obama, McCain, and Brown, yet you have attacked me for doing what I’ve been able to to rectify the problem, while you have kowtowed to the likes of McCain and Brown – and to Obama in doing so.

    Not that I expect you to actually think about what I’ve said. I know liberal progressive Republicans are just as prone to knee-jerk reactions as liberal progressive Democrats. Once you start to think for yourself, you will most likely begin to think like I do in pretty short order.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  35. #35
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 1:05 am, rightwingrocker said:

    I am a punitivist. If a nation means us harm, we should kick them in the nuts. Preferably, kill whatever crackpots who are leading them who mean us harm.

    Reagan did exactly right in going after Kaddafi. That is how you exercise power. You go after your enemies. Directly.

    So am I.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, so are isolationists.

    However, there’s a difference between crushing someone who means us harm and just hanging out in their neighborhood in the hope that they try something that will justify our doing so.

    Can it be said that we crushed our enemies in Iraq? We got rid of Saddam (and did a great job at that), but when the Iranians and Syrians attacked us there, all we did was pu$$yfoot around in the hopes that they should go away. As I said before, Tehran and Damascus should have been glass parking lots long ago. I don’t think we went after them directly, nor do I think we handled that situation effectively – largely because we didn’t go after them directly.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  36. #36
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 1:12 am, rightwingrocker said:

    You should not want a Blame America Firster as President, whether that person is Clinton or Obama or Paul.

    I don’t see Paul as a Blame-America-Firster, but as someone who sees the mistakes Americans have been making, and wishes to rectify those mistakes. I am only familiar with Paul’s general stated positions and for the time being am not all that interested in what he had to say about 1953 Iran. You may be right or you may be wrong. I have bigger fish to fry at this point. If Paul becomes more of a force, I’ll look into that. At this point, I doubt you have much to worry about with regard to any “President Paul”. I would submit, though, that he just might do a better job than either Mr. Obama or Mr. McCain. He’s definitely a lover of the Constitution and the Founders. That’s about the best start you could get. Lord knows ObamaCain has no clue on that front.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  37. #37
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 1:16 am, rightwingrocker said:

    RWR #38

    Roland,

    Seems I owe you an apology. I did not notice that you were responding to a comment that was not mine when I commented here. So accept this “high-five” on something which we agree on, and let my comment be a force in backing your comment.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  38. #38
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 1:18 am, rightwingrocker said:

    ouch … on which we agree …

    The preview button is your Friend…

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  39. #39
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 1:19 am, rightwingrocker said:

    Oh geez … retract my correction … It’s after 1 am … you know how it gets …

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  40. #40
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 1:27 am, Roland said:

    As I said before, Tehran and Damascus should have been glass parking lots long ago.

    I would be a bit more discriminating.

  41. #41
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 1:28 am, Roland said:

    It’s after 1 am … you know how it gets …

    Yes. Good night.

  42. #42
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 1:43 am, Marshall Russ said:

    Brown has no idea, or maybe he does and doesn’t care, the onslaught that the liberals are preparing for him. The people all over the country and the voters in Mass. have to be thinking what is the difference between him and and “what’s her name”? The Dems NEED to win “Ted’s” seat back as a repudiation of what happened. To the liberals almost nothing else matters and they will act accordingly. Brown could be in real trouble.

  43. #43
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 5:34 am, Send_Me said:

    *shakes head* I often wonder when “conservatives” will realize that Republicans don’t care what “conservatives” think or want.

  44. #44
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 6:50 am, zorro said:

    In regards to Brown’s vote, sad and disappointing but no surprise. We have a lot of work to do before November…

  45. #45
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 7:09 am, MarcoPolo said:

    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:44 am, atheling said:

    And anyone who thinks we can have “isolationism” in the presence of ICBMs is a fool who does not live in reality.

    Reagan managed to win the cold war without ever directly engaging American troops. He also pulled troops out of the Middle East without isolating the GOP voters.

    Unless that party finds a way to compromise on the expensive, aggressive foreign policy, they won’t retain the center or the far right, which will make them lose them elections again in short order.

    The party leaders berated and belittled the voters they needed to win elections, then whined when those voters didn’t show up at the polls.

    Calling them names isn’t a dialogue. Foreign policy is the biggest reason Gore lost, and it is the biggest reason that McCain lost too.

  46. #46
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 7:09 am, jjmurphy said:

    Perhaps his early betrayal is a good thing. At least now we all know what he really is – a RINO in the same camp as Snowe, Collins, etc.

  47. #47
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 7:19 am, SilverCat said:

    What did you expect? Brown represents the state of Massachusetts, not Texas. Wake up, he wants to get reelected in two years. Do you think Jim DeMint could get elected north of the Mason Dixon line?

  48. #48
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 7:40 am, zyzzyg said:

    What ‘business as usual’ did Sen Brown have a hand in? Did he get anything in exchange for his vote?

    Sen Voinovich got his back scrathed. Sen Brown did not have his back scartched.

    Did Sen Brown vote on the merits of cloture to have this bill brought to the floor to have an open discussion on it? The rules of the Senate will allow this bill to be ammended.

    Maybe all the tax cuts in the bill will be removed. Maybe not, they were left in the Stimulus bill.

  49. #49
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 7:43 am, Vince said:

    Kit Bond??? WTF??? Kit Bond????

  50. #50
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 7:54 am, onefed said:

    I’ve never been one to take the seemingly knee-jerk “vote ‘em all out” stance, but I think that’s changing.

    Every single congressman should plain and simple be voted against and new ones put in, regardless of who they are. The “good” ones that get voted out should be considered collateral damage, and can earn a vote again in their following election.

    Call it the “Clean House Campaign”. Torch ‘em all and start all over.

  51. #51
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 8:21 am, pianoman said:

    On February 23rd, 2010 at 7:19 am, SilverCat said:

    What did you expect? Brown represents the state of Massachusetts, not Texas. Wake up, he wants to get reelected in two years. Do you think Jim DeMint could get elected north of the Mason Dixon line?

    Part of me would like to see him try. Sen. DeMint is one of the most principled men in Washington or anywhere else.

  52. #52
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 8:27 am, orlandocajun said:

    The guy was at CPAC only a couple of days ago. It usually takes a couple of years for a politician to sell out. This must be some kind of record!

  53. #53
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 8:28 am, swede said:

    Looks like he hasn’t taken up my suggested D.C. itinerary. But those of us who knew all along what we were getting — a game-changer who vowed to torpedo Demcare, but who was not an ideological conservative — are not surprised.

    Nothing to see here. Move along. Brown needs to appease his constituency somewhere, and this is a relatively inocuous place to do it.

    IMO The real concern here is that – against all odds -Dingy Harry & Co may be wising up. A $100 Bil [Pseudo] Jobs bill would likely not have passed, so Dingy strips it down to $15 Bil – Pocket change in DC these days. Done.

    Operation Overreach has failed, but if they break Barrycare, Cap and Tax and the rest of their radical agenda into bite sized turds, they may well sneak them through under the radar. That’s why I think this is significant – and disconcerting.

  54. #54
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 8:31 am, jjmurphy said:

    Swede – You may be on to something here. Don’t eat the elephant all at once. Take little bites. Good catch!

  55. #55
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 8:43 am, 4USA said:

    Looks like Scotty may be channeling Teddy. I suppose he thinks that’s what his state elected him to do. Oh well. Hopefully he didn’t lie about his opposition to the Healthcare Bill too.

  56. #56
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 8:45 am, babiesgrandma said:

    Blackstone said:
    Well, as regards Brown, we might as well get this whole “honeymoon” phase over with. Better sooner than later, I guess.

    Yeah, either way [sooner or later], we’re scr@w#d.

  57. #57
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 8:46 am, BOB said:

    On February 22nd, 2010 at 10:55 pm, beenthere said:

    I mean, even McCain voted against the thing.

    Yep, the difference between having just been elected and wanting to be re-elected.

  58. #58
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 8:54 am, tre said:

    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:58 pm, jangar said:
    Anymore, Oklahoma is about the only state left with reason and statesmen.

    I agree. Can we secede?

  59. #59
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 9:03 am, EdDantes said:

    On February 23rd, 2010 at 8:54 am, tre said:

    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:58 pm, jangar said:
    Anymore, Oklahoma is about the only state left with reason and statesmen.

    I agree. Can we secede?

    Secession is the better part of valor.

  60. #60
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 9:06 am, dan708 said:

    The reality is that if Brown wasn’t a prog-Repub, he wouldn’t have gotten elected in deep-blue Massachusetts. That said, this is still a disappointment. But I was equally surprised that Ben “Cornhuckster” Nelson was among the ‘Nays’.

  61. #61
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 9:16 am, tarpon said:

    Brown’s a RINO, who didn’t know before.

    One more vote for our coming Senate majority.

  62. #62
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 9:17 am, GladzKravtz said:

    Gov’t and spending: Most commenters here want less but we don’t agree on everything e.g. Ron Paul :smile: .

    Brown: Never thought he would be 100% lockstep with MY thinking. I’ll wait and watch. Then $upport and vote.

  63. #63
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 9:22 am, Regulus said:

    On February 23rd, 2010 at 8:28 am, swede said:

    … But those of us who knew all along what we were getting — a game-changer who vowed to torpedo Demcare, but who was not an ideological conservative — are not surprised.

    Yep. He gave us a breathing space on socialized medicine that we wouldn’t have had otherwise, and I’ll always thank him for that. But anyone expecting Barry Goldwater II from a Massachusetts Republican is engaged in pure wishful thinking.

    Brown’s main value is that there are now only 10 donks left to pick off before we can get their hands off the Senate senate steering wheel. The more you ask of him past that, the greater the chance of disappointment. That makes him somewhat useful, not the answer to a prayer.

    Nothing to see here. Move along. Brown needs to appease his constituency somewhere, and this is a relatively inocuous place to do it.

    Also true. Where’d Brown come from again? That Gibraltar-esque fortress of rock-ribbed conservatism, Massachusetts? Who’da thunk…

    Operation Overreach has failed, but if they break Barrycare, Cap and Tax and the rest of their radical agenda into bite sized turds, they may well sneak them through under the radar. That’s why I think this is significant – and disconcerting.

    That’s what Hillary would’ve done with HillaryCare II from the start. One piece at a time, or — to use the frog analogy — one degree at a time.

    Hope-a-Dope tried the kick-in-the-door approach when he had dictatorial power, but a switch from frontal assault to infiltration tactics seems the order of the day.

  64. #64
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 9:24 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Dammit! Dammit to hell! I let my guard down and voted for the RINO, and sure enough, I get punked again! I had concerns like I always do, but listened to the likes of Thomas and Roland, instead of my inner voice “you’ll be sorry”, and got fleeced! That’s it! Never again! I now command any and all on this board, that if I ever falter and do the LOTE VOTE LOVE BOAT LIMBO again, please, I beg you, shoot me between the eyes! :mad:
    Other than that, I have no strong feelings.

  65. #65
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 9:35 am, TigerLady said:

    By their fruits ye shall know them.

  66. #66
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 9:40 am, cheapseat said:

    So the liberals definition of bipartisanship still holds true, When we peel off a few rinos, and all our dems stay partisan, THAT’S BIPARTISANSHIP.

  67. #67
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 9:42 am, happyscrapper said:

    I donated to him, knowing full well he was probably a RINO. But he has served his purpose merely by getting elected. We have one more “R” in the Senate and, icing on the cake…it was the “drowner’s seat”. Oh and it helped defeat or at least delay the heath “care” bill. So, he is a one-term senator. He has served his purpose.

  68. #68
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 9:49 am, Roland said:

    I had concerns like I always do, but listened to the likes of Thomas and Roland ……

    No, you did not listen to me. If you had, this vote would be no surprise to you. I voted for Brown (and contributed to his campaign) to stall the health care hijacking. I had no illusions about Brown being a strict conservative.

    Part of being a responsible adult is recognizing reality and then dealing with it the way it is, not the way you wish it would be. Massachusetts will never elect a Jim DeMint. That is reality.

    If we can get Scott Browns instead of Kennedys and Coakleys from places like Massachusetts, and we can get Rubios and Hayworths instead of Crists and McCains from places like Florida and Arizona, then we can get a genuinely conservative, much more limited government. Eventually. If we haven’t let the extreme collectivists like Obama and Pelosi and Reid wreck the country and destroy our sovereignty completely by subjugating us to UN rule.

  69. #69
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 9:50 am, Roland said:

    I voted for Brown

    Sigh. Coffee first, before commenting. No, I didn’t vote for Brown. I supported Brown. I don’t live in Massachusetts.

  70. #70
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 10:14 am, granite said:

    On February 23rd, 2010 at 9:50 am, Roland said:

    No, I didn’t vote for Brown.

    I don’t live in Massachusetts.

    Now, see – if you were a socialist/fascist, you wouldn’t need to let annoying trifles like that bother/stop you!

  71. #71
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 10:15 am, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    It is apparent that Brown does not understand the concept that the government is a consumer of wealth not a creator of wealth. The more wealth the government consumes the less likely that entrepreneurs and capitalists will be able to create wealth and spread it in the formation of jobs.

    America has been a far better place to live than Europe because America has fostered individual freedom and allowed free individuals to prosper. Unfortunately, Americans have allowed the government to intrude into every nook and cranny of life and the result has been and is horrific – just look at welfare as a prime example.

  72. #72
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 10:17 am, spaceycakes said:

    To all my fellow Missourians who keep asking ‘wtf–Kit Bond?!’—you should’ve known how he would vote. I heard him say as much a few weeks ago on the telly. I think he’s slightly senile.

  73. #73
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 10:21 am, cubbiegal said:

    Deep Blue states don’t elect conservatives.
    I live in Illinois and our senate nominee is a fiscal liberal who supports ZERO restrictions on abortion.
    I refer to Mark Kirk as “NARAL’s favorite republican”.
    About 15 minutes away in Indiana, the GOP senate nominee is likely to be a bit more conservative. A Mark Kirk won’t fly there.Though I consider myself to be a right of center libertarian who’s registered GOP I understand that in places like Il and Mass ideological purity is suicidal.
    Instead you hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils.
    What’s considered a RINO in Texas may be all that’s electable in Illinois.
    Scott Brown is conservative-by Massachusetts standards.
    If a “Brown” ran in Illinois-I could vote for him…because it’s Illinois.

  74. #74
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 10:22 am, tiredofit08 said:

    On February 22nd, 2010 at 11:58 pm, jangar said:

    Anymore, Oklahoma is about the only state left with reason and statesmen.

    I’ll second that emotion!!! now if we could only get the State to rid us the illegal aliens still here….OKC won’t even jail them because they won’t get reimbursed for their incarceration…how pathetic…

  75. #75
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 10:26 am, T J Green said:

    Comments on Brown’s own site are mostly very negative on this vote. Brown comments on his vote:

    I came to Washington to be an independent voice, to put politics aside, and to do everything in my power to help create jobs for Massachusetts families. This Senate jobs bill is not perfect. I wish the tax cuts were deeper and broader, but I voted for it because it contains measures that will help put people back to work.

    I was disappointed with the continuation of politics-as-usual in the drafting of this bill, as it was crafted behind closed doors, without transparency and accountability. I hope for improvements in that process going forward. All of us, Republicans and Democrats, have to work together to get our economy back on track. I hope my vote today is a strong step toward restoring bipartisanship in Washington.

    Brown must be clueless if he believes this bill will help anyone. No employer will take on a new hire to gain a 6.2% payroll tax subsidy for the balance of 2010 and a lousy $1,000 break in 2011 if they keep the new hire for another year. It’s insane to expect anyone to hire on that basis!

    What will occur is the businesses THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN A POSITION TO HIRE ANYWAY will gain these subsidy dollars… a pure windfall for the “best off” of businesses. That’s the Democrat way, nothing but a trail of unintended consequences and squandered dollars.

    I think Brown just nominated himself to be the next Zipperfish Y.A.A.F.M. winner.

  76. #76
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 10:34 am, WarEagle82 said:

    So why did 7 R’s decide NOT to vote on this bill? I know the one D who didn’t vote is probably sick. Don’t these guys get paid to show up and vote on stuff like this?

  77. #77
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 10:47 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On February 23rd, 2010 at 9:49 am, Roland said:
    No, you did not listen to me. If you had, this vote would be no surprise to you. I voted for Brown (and contributed to his campaign) to stall the health care hijacking. I had no illusions about Brown being a strict conservative.

    I may have mispoken and confused you with someone else, Regulus perhaps? Excuse my vent as just my bitter disappointment whenever I go against my better judgement. I really didn’t think Scott Brown would disappoint me as soon as he has. I really thought that he had a handle on the fact that grassroots conservatism got him elected. Voting for RINO’s as part of some greater anti-liberal strategery just really chaps the hell out of me.

  78. #78
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 10:55 am, swmntman said:

    I hope my vote today is a strong step toward restoring bipartisanship in Washington.

    Scotty, Scotty, Scotty! Bipartisanship? We don’t want bipartisanship — we want LEADERSHIP! Swing and a miss on the first curveball.

  79. #79
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 am, Flyoverman said:

    On February 23rd, 2010 at 10:34 am, WarEagle82 said:

    So why did 7 R’s decide NOT to vote on this bill?

    “Present”

  80. #80
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 11:17 am, WarEagle82 said:

    So for Scott Brown, “wasteful, pointless Federal spending” = “Bipartisanship?”

    And who says Brown doesn’t understand Washington…

  81. #81
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 11:27 am, Flyoverman said:

    On February 23rd, 2010 at 11:17 am, WarEagle82 said:

    So for Scott Brown, “wasteful, pointless Federal spending” = “Bipartisanship?”

    Bad News: Brown is not conservative

    Good News: We could have had Coakley

    Good News: There is always SOME hope he might side with us on an issue.

    Good News: We have a chance to replace him in two years.

    I wish it was more, but it’s progress. Two steps forward; one step back.

  82. #82
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 11:53 am, Roland said:

    Good News: We have a chance to replace him in two years.

    Bad News: If he gets replaced, he will be replaced by a Democrat.

    That is why he is already tacking sharply to the left. This was to be expected.

    Good News: His vote does not appear to have been critical. They still would have won without him.

  83. #83
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 11:56 am, rike101 said:

    More bad news folks:

    He was on a Boston radio station this morning saying that he believes that everyone deserves health care….

  84. #84
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 11:57 am, DBNinKY said:

    Hot Air gave the perfect take on Brown’s decision to support the jobs bill several days ago: it was the least offensive-/expensive Democrat bill he could support and keep his liberal constituents in-check. He wants to be reelected in 2012. To accomplish that, he will need the support of Democrats in his state. So his support of this minor bill was a necessary concession to keep him a viable GOP candidate.

    Come the vote on HCR, he will side w/ the Republicans.

  85. #85
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:02 pm, alamb said:

    Come on people in the great scheme of things we are not talking anywhere near stimulus/healthcare overhaul, we are talking $15bn. What this does is take away from Obama and his Dems the argument that the GOP is the party of no.

    We are playing smart.

  86. #86
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:13 pm, stevevvs said:

    I tried to warn everyone about Scott Brown, but it fell on deaf ears.

    There was a real Conservative in the race, but his Jersey had an “I” on it, rather than an “R”, so, as I’ve learned, unless it’s N.Y.23, we just can’t vote for the most conservative candidates. We must follow the Jersey…

  87. #87
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:14 pm, stevevvs said:

    DBNinKY,

    A Fan of The Spinners, are we?

  88. #88
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:16 pm, rambler said:

    The strategy needs to begin with getting all the incumbent progressives and big spenders out of Washington DC. Then weed out the newly elected who demonstrate that they are not living up to campaign promises. The job security needs to be separated congressional positions. Those who fail to be accountable need to get the boot. Enough of the smoke and mirrors, bait and switch or outright deception exhibited by the Washingtonites.

  89. #89
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:16 pm, love2rumba said:

    Good News: His vote does not appear to have been critical. They still would have won without him.

    Which means he is useless.

  90. #90
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:22 pm, battleaxe said:

    Scott Brown has shown that our government can’t be fixed via elections alone. The people in power need to be held accountable by more than just an election, or they will continue to misrepresent themselves to get elected then do whatever best fills their personal pocketbook once elected.

  91. #91
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:26 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Of all the bad bills Scott Brown might support, this stupid, pointless, wasteful, useless “jobs bill” may be the least objectionable thing Brown could do at this particular moment.

    I suspect it was his way of demonstrating his “maverick” status but this bill was going to pass with or without his vote. I just don’t understand why 7 other GOP Senators didn’t vote against it…

    But, remember when $15 billion was a lot of money?

  92. #92
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:31 pm, swede said:

    Flyoverman said:
    Bad News: Brown is not conservative

    Good News: We could have had Coakley

    Good News: There is always SOME hope he might side with us on an issue.

    Good News: We have a chance to replace him in two years.

    Leave us not forget:

    Good News: Barrycare in anything like its present form is DOA.

    Good News: Cap and Tax? DOA.

    As far as replacing him in 2 years, that might not fit in the good news column. Seriously, you’re way more likely to end up with a center leaning progressive than something more conservative than Brown. Doncha think?

  93. #93
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:34 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    Yup, it’s appearing like Brown is a typical RINO, the sort who does what it takes to get his foot in the door, but will, in time, find himself back on the street (on his ass) at the first opportunity the people have to vote him out.

  94. #94
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:37 pm, ELINVESTI8 said:

    Scott Brown congratulations on your betrayal! You wear that HAT nicely! Very fashionable! You Dem in Rep clothing! Ok I cleaned it up!

    David

  95. #95
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:40 pm, jjmurphy said:

    Bulletin to Scott Brown:

    The government does not CREATE jobs!
    The government does not give you healthcare!
    The government does not create wealth!

    Government cannot do ANYTHING until it takes property from one person and gives it to another person, after keeping a good percentage for itself.

  96. #96
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 1:09 pm, granite said:

    On February 23rd, 2010 at 12:40 pm, jjmurphy said:

    BINGO!!

    I might add only:…[takes]…at the point of a gun.

  97. #97
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 1:10 pm, Laree said:
  98. #98
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 2:07 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    Brown, with one truly stupid vote, squandered all the good will he had garnered. As a friend of mine once said “One aw crap equals a thousand attaboys”. Here is a clue for Brown – you have zero attaboys so far and a thousand to go. Better not have anymore aw craps.

  99. #99
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 2:20 pm, thejim said:

    The list of those that cannot return to Washington continues to grow. Add Brown to the list, we can cheer his one moment of accomplishment, knocking out a Democrat in Teddy’s seat, but failing to change our disasterous direction appears to be more than the boy can manage. While we’re adding names to our list; Put Romney on there too. We really don’t need more of the same in Washington, his support of McLame is unforgiveable.

  100. #100
    On February 23rd, 2010 at 2:55 pm, Last Massachusetts Conservative said:

    I campaigned for Brown. I called his office and said I felt “used”. Told the listener that this was not the way to repay hard working volunteers for his campaign.

    I did not expect a pure conservative but he did not need to play get-along on this.

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