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1. #101
   On February 27th, 2010 at 11:45 am, happyscrapper said:

   I was just reading on Drudge about the new bill to give Obama the power to shut down the internet in case of “cyber emergency”. This is truly one of the most frightening things going on today.

   I read some of the comments and actually copy/pasted a few of them because they bear repeating. Here they are:

   “A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor, he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their agreements, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.—Marcus Cicero

   “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”Ronald Reagan

   “The Founding Fathers are screaming at us to water the tree of liberty.”

   I am going to post these again on an open thread because they need to be seen by a lot of people!

2. #102
   On February 27th, 2010 at 12:08 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

   On February 27th, 2010 at 7:01 am, happyscrapper said:

   The progressives will leave a mess behind them when they leave DC and the republicans will “inherit” the biggest disaster in the history of this country. And this time, blaming the previous administration will be totally valid.

   The key is to force 2010 candidates to swear on their mothers’ graves that they will repeal this act once elected and then force them to do it once elected.

   It’s that last part that will be difficult. “Our” side has been very unreliable and McCain ended his famous comments at the Oba-kabuki by agreeing with Obama that “both parties are very close to agreement”.

   “Winning” in November guarantees nothing. Which Republican party will be in power after the elections? It better not be the “Gangs of McCain”.

3. #103
   On February 27th, 2010 at 12:19 pm, happyscrapper said:

   The key is to force 2010 candidates to swear on their mothers’ graves that they will repeal this act once elected and then force them to do it once elected.

   Is that even possible? I mean, how do you get a massive bill like that repealed? I imagine there could be a lawsuit that it is unconstitutional and let the SCOTUS decide.

4. #104
   On February 27th, 2010 at 1:25 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

   On February 27th, 2010 at 12:19 pm, happyscrapper said:

   We can’t leave it to the pols to do this and we mustn’t lower our sights by trying to finesse this through court. It is absolutely critical that we decapitate this one-party government by targeting the top party leaders and working our way down, just like the Mafia and Al Qaeda.

   McCain is enemy #1. Even Mark Levin is going wobbly by referring to people like us as “GOP haters”.

   Machiavelli famously said “never wound a king”. If you can’t finish the job, don’t even start. If we do 2010 right, 2012 will be a victory march.

5. #105
   On February 27th, 2010 at 1:27 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

   Allow me to improve my last comment.

   “Machiavelli famously said “never wound a king”. If you can’t don’t have the stomach to finish the job, don’t even start.”

6. #106
   On February 27th, 2010 at 2:13 pm, graysonret said:

   When a state ‘nullifies’ a federal law

   Nullification has been tried before. The most famous being the Virginia and Kentucky resolutions. However, keep in mind that nullification itself, by states, is improper and illegal. Such decisions are decided by the SCOTUS, not by states, as provided for in the Constitution. If nullification was permitted, the result could be any state at any time, ignoring anything coming out of congress or the president. That would amount to anarchy by the states. Let SCOTUS decide if something is Constitutional, not state legislatures.

7. #107
   On February 27th, 2010 at 3:40 pm, swede said:

   graysonret said:
   Nullification has been tried before. The most famous being the Virginia and Kentucky resolutions. However, keep in mind that nullification itself, by states, is improper and illegal. Such decisions are decided by the SCOTUS, not by states, as provided for in the Constitution

   It is not improper or illegal – this is precisely the point. The very issue at hand is state sovereignty. According to the Tenth Amendment, the government of the United States has the power to regulate only matters delegated to it by the Constitution. Other powers are reserved to the states, or to the people. The Georgia ammendment challenges the constitutionality of Obamacare. If Congress does not back down, then it will be decided by SCOTUS.

   If nullification was permitted, the result could be any state at any time, ignoring anything coming out of congress or the president. That would amount to anarchy by the states.

   No, the state can not simply ignore federal laws or presidential directives, but absolutely has the right – and obligation – to challenge the constitutionality and/or authority of federal actions adversely affecting its citizens. In GA, that would include me.

   Let SCOTUS decide if something is Constitutional, not state legislatures.

   Gray – if the states may not challenge the feds, we are in deep weeds. Any sovereign state legislature can and must challenge the feds on abuse of constitutional authority. If the feds do not back down, then SCOTUS must resolve the question. The more states that do so re: Obamacare, the more strength the case has.

   Is universal healthcare a constitutional right? Can a US citizen be forced to purchase health insurance under threat of federal prosecution? (Auto insurance is not a valid analogy – it protects other drivers) Can states – which as you pointed out have no money – be forced to pay for federally mandated healthcare? All valid constitutional questions.

   My son is an attorney and we have discussed this ad nauseum over beers with his neighbor, a Georgia State Congressman. The Georgia ammendment is a valid means of challenging the constitutionality of Obamacare.

8. #108
   On February 27th, 2010 at 4:01 pm, tarpon said:

   I actually saw a glimmer of hope show up. Beohner actually said “it’s un-Constitutional. There may be hope.

   Bypassing the Byrd rule destroys the Senate. Turns America into Venezuela with just a few more easy steps.

9. #109
   On February 27th, 2010 at 4:04 pm, graysonret said:

   I think we are agreeing but using different words. Georgia has the right to test the constitutionality of any federal law, in court. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were originally saying when you stated “nullification”. To simply ignore a federal law, because they didn’t like it, without challenge in court, is improper. Certainly states have the right to file suit in the federal court system and have, eventually, SCOTUS decide. It’s been done many times. Nullification has been used to just simply ignore the law, period. Such tactics would cause a mess in our legal system, with each state deciding what they will obey and not to obey. Might as well go back to the Articles of Confederation. If Georgia wants to challenge it, through our legal system, I give them credit and luck.

10. #110
    On February 27th, 2010 at 4:05 pm, jangar said:

    My son is an attorney and we have discussed this ad nauseum over beers with his neighbor, a Georgia State Congressman.

    My soul is at rest knowing someone is on the case… with beers

11. #111
    On February 27th, 2010 at 5:02 pm, Laree said:

    What happens to the Progressives, if they can’t get universal health care passed? I mean what happens to the whole Progressive Movement. And what’s in it for George Soros?

12. #112
    On February 27th, 2010 at 5:26 pm, swede said:

    gray – Actually, I don’t think we are on the same page. I am saying, a state has more than the right to challenge a federal law in court, it has certain sovereign powers which include enacting legislation and/or ammending its own constitution which are granted to it by the US constitution. Again, the US government may not regulate matters not delegated to it by the Constitution, and Obamacare clearly crosses over that line, on many levels. The state and federal laws are now in conflict, and unless the feds back down – THEN it goes to court. Nullification is not the intent, but is the outcome when a state makes a sovereign stand against what it perceives to be federal abuse of constitutional power, the very thing the constitution is designed to prevent. Congress may not enact laws infringing on the rights of states or individual citizens. Obamacare does just that.

    The Tenth Ammendment Center has a good website that explains this better than I can. My guess is you will find nothing in there to disagree with.

    Perhaps a good example of your concern may be Kahlifornia and 12 other states that have legalized “medical marijuana”, effectively “nullifying” federal law which makes mj illegal in virtually all circumstances. Instead of challenging the states, the DEA has backed off enforcement in those states. This could be an example of an abuse of “nullification” that I think justifies your point. The result empowers drug cartels, violates the rights of neighboring states and is detrimental to the country as a whole.

    I didn’t want to make such a huge deal out of this, but this seems to be a way especially red states, like Georgia, can fight this monster. If it dies in congress it may be a moot point, but its looking more and more like they are going to try ram this giant turd down all our throats. This is one way to fight that has a good chance of succeeding.

13. #113
    On February 27th, 2010 at 5:41 pm, swede said:

    My soul is at rest knowing someone is on the case… with beers

    I’ll withhold the name of said public official, but will reveal that he is an African American Reagan conservative who has no time for Dear Leader. He breaks up when we call him a racist. Oh, and he prefers Guiness Stout.

14. #114
    On February 27th, 2010 at 6:41 pm, graysonret said:

    No Saturday open thread. Anyway, did everyone watch the “big” Tsunami hit Hawaii? If I was on the beach, I may not noticed it. Surfer delight for a few minutes.

15. #115
    On February 27th, 2010 at 11:15 pm, jangar said:

    Oh, and he prefers Guiness Stout.

    Ditto…but I like mine cold.

    did everyone watch the “big” Tsunami hit Hawaii?

    I knew that was going to be another hyperventilating scare… much angst over nuttin’. What is it – 6000 miles away?

16. #116
    On February 28th, 2010 at 10:23 am, Andy said:

    On February 27th, 2010 at 11:45 am, happyscrapper said:

    “The Founding Fathers are screaming at us to water the tree of liberty.”

    Indeed!!!

17. #117
    On February 28th, 2010 at 10:58 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    Hot Air’s Daffyd ab Hugh presents a very convincing argument that ObamaCare just doesn’t (and won’t) have the votes to pass.

18. #118
    On February 28th, 2010 at 1:42 pm, jangar said:

    Hot Air’s Daffyd ab Hugh presents a very convincing argument that ObamaCare just doesn’t (and won’t) have the votes to pass.

    Which makes me wonder if a lot of this bru-ha-ha isn’t more about making a lot of noise to appease the left-wing kooks. Once it fails, they roll up the circus tents and head out of town.

19. #119
    On February 28th, 2010 at 2:37 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    did everyone watch the “big” Tsunami hit Hawaii?
    I knew that was going to be another hyperventilating scare… much angst over nuttin’. What is it – 6000 miles away?

    No offense but you might want to brush up on tsunami a bit…the wave got bigger as it approached Japan, after it passed Hawaii. Hundreds of people have died in Hawaii from tsunami generated in- yes – Chile and Alaska. This is a better safe than sorry story…

20. #120
    On February 28th, 2010 at 2:48 pm, swede said:

    “The Founding Fathers are screaming at us to water the tree of liberty.”

    That, or maybe we could just water board the liberals.

21. #121
    On February 28th, 2010 at 3:06 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On February 28th, 2010 at 2:37 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I’m no expert on tsunami but since Hawaii is basically a very tall mountain surrounded by deep waters, aren’t tsunami most likely to pass right by barely noticed? Doesn’t it take a an gradually rising sea floor to concentrate the energy into a significant surge? Just asking. I don’t know.

22. #122
    On February 28th, 2010 at 3:55 pm, Speakup said:

    America is not Europe, we are not a socialistic country or people.

    This nation is founded on individualism and the individual’s inalienable rights, we don’t collect those rights and lock them away for use by the federal government.

    We are not a gimmie people, we expect those who can do pull their own weight.

    For a long time the federal government has lost its way and run its own agenda, that has to stop, all governments must mind their own business.

    Individualism
    
    Individualism regards man—every man—as an independent, sovereign entity who possesses an inalienable right to his own life, a right derived from his nature as a rational being. Individualism holds that a civilized society, or any form of association, cooperation or peaceful coexistence among men, can be achieved only on the basis of the recognition of individual rights—and that a group, as such, has no rights other than the individual rights of its members.

    Do not make the mistake of the ignorant who think that an individualist is a man who says: “I’ll do as I please at everybody else’s expense.” An individualist is a man who recognizes the inalienable individual rights of man—his own and those of others.

    An individualist is a man who says: “I will not run anyone’s life—nor let anyone run mine. I will not rule nor be ruled. I will not be a master nor a slave. I will not sacrifice myself to anyone—nor sacrifice anyone to myself.”

    The mind is an attribute of the individual. There is no such thing as a collective brain. There is no such thing as a collective thought. An agreement reached by a group of men is only a compromise or an average drawn upon many individual thoughts. It is a secondary consequence. The primary act—the process of reason—must be performed by each man alone. We can divide a meal among many men. We cannot digest it in a collective stomach. No man can use his lungs to breathe for another man. No man can use his brain to think for another. All the functions of body and spirit are private. They cannot be shared or transferred.

    We inherit the products of the thought of other men. We inherit the wheel. We make a cart. The cart becomes an automobile. The automobile becomes an airplane. But all through the process what we receive from others is only the end product of their thinking. The moving force is the creative faculty which takes this product as material, uses it and originates the next step. This creative faculty cannot be given or received, shared or borrowed. It belongs to single, individual men. That which it creates is the property of the creator. Men learn from one another. But all learning is only the exchange of material. No man can give another the capacity to think. Yet that capacity is our only means of survival.

23. #123
    On February 28th, 2010 at 4:07 pm, Laree said:

    On February 28th, 2010 at 3:55 pm, Speakup said:
    We are not a gimmie people, we expect those who can do pull their own weight.

    That’s the agenda, the whole point is to grow the welfare rolls..first you get people used to sucking on the government tit…it’s very hard to ween them back off. There is another message not getting play. When we hear in the news, that employment is going to stay flat for awhile…okay than how do people exist? Welfare. Comprehensive Welfare Reform is what Bill Clinton passed back in the 90s and now it’s all going to get undone because?

    I believe that is what Daniel Hannan is attempting back in the UK with the establishment of their own TEA PARTY, ween the folks off the government tit.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100027366/british-tea-party-movement-to-launch-on-saturday/

    I don’t know one thing that Sarah Palin warned us about during the campaign that hasn’t come to pass.

24. #124
    On February 28th, 2010 at 5:00 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 28th, 2010 at 3:55 pm, Speakup said:

    Excellent post. I have been coming to MM’s blog off and on today in hopes there would be an open thread. I don’t like to complain, but isn’t it relatively easy to open a thread and let us converse? I missed that this weekend! The open threads are always fun and full of new stuff. I hope MM is o.k. and just really really busy.

25. #125
    On February 28th, 2010 at 5:24 pm, Speakup said:

    On February 28th, 2010 at 5:00 pm, happyscrapper said:

    This is an open thread, and thanks.

    MM deserves (richly) some relax time, she’ll be back, its in her DNA.

    I hope she starts another HotAir and or some other conservatism expanding enterprise.

26. #126
    On February 28th, 2010 at 5:34 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 28th, 2010 at 5:24 pm, Speakup said:

    Yes, I agree it has been turned into an open thread. But I feel like I am going “off-topic” when I post on these thread that have topics! Anyway, my comment wasn’t meant to be critical of our hostess. Of course she is busy and I appreciate all she does!! She is my hero.

27. #127
    On February 28th, 2010 at 5:36 pm, Speakup said:

    On February 28th, 2010 at 4:07 pm, Laree said:

    This nation is founded on individualism and the individual’s inalienable rights, we don’t collect those rights and lock them away for use by the federal government.

    The welfare state is the tool, anti freedom is the goal.

    What part of no don’t the Democrats and the President get?

    Liberals can’t govern, 14 months of kiss my ring does not constitute leadership but is very telling of a progressive future.

    America is not a kingdom.

28. #128
    On February 28th, 2010 at 5:41 pm, swede said:

    This thread having been officially declared open…someone was asking the other day what happened to Al Goricle. Well, he’s baaaaaaaaaaack. NYT today. Gorbot’s ignorance on climate science could easily fill several books he’s already written.

    From the standpoint of governance, what is at stake is our ability to use the rule of law as an instrument of human redemption. After all has been said and so little done, the truth about the climate crisis — inconvenient as ever — must still be faced.

    Whaaaa?? Ya gotta love the little feller. Just. Can’t. Cure. Stupid.

29. #129
    On February 28th, 2010 at 5:42 pm, Speakup said:

    Yes, I agree it has been turned into an open thread. But I feel like I am going “off-topic” when I post on these thread that have topics! Anyway, my comment wasn’t meant to be critical of our hostess. Of course she is busy and I appreciate all she does!! She is my hero.

    I didn’t think you were critical.

    Offering a different perspective is the best contribution, in my opinion.

    Watch those smilies, they can contain flat language bits of nasty.

30. #130
    On February 28th, 2010 at 5:43 pm, Speakup said:

    This thread having been officially declared open

    I hope you don’t mean me cause I don’t have the authority to pay attention much less anything else.

31. #131
    On February 28th, 2010 at 5:57 pm, Speakup said:

    Hitler Upset with Obama’s Healthcare Summit Performance

32. #132
    On February 28th, 2010 at 6:26 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I’m no expert on tsunami but since Hawaii is basically a very tall mountain surrounded by deep waters, aren’t tsunami most likely to pass right by barely noticed?

    It’s relatively easy to get to safety by going higher up the mountain if you know a tsunami is on the way – and they have gotten much better at being able to warn everyone. Probably the most important thing is to get the thousands of tourists out of the water. Yesterday’s event was enough to have drowned people (IMO). The floor of the ocean does make some difference too (not an expert) and the wave got bigger as it approached Japan, probably for that reason. Local geography like harbors can also amplify the wave.
    The reason i think even an event like yesterday could have drowned people is that the water recedes at an astonishing rate (they had a live cam on Hilo Bay, it looked like time-lapse photography) and rushes back in. Several times.
    Hilo has had parts of the city wrecked twice, with hundreds dead in Hawaii in the 1946 and 1960 tsunamis, more for lack of warning than anything. Here are some photos from deadly tsunami in the past.

33. #133
    On February 28th, 2010 at 6:29 pm, graysonret said:

    No offense but you might want to brush up on tsunami a bit

    I’m familiar with tsunamis. My wife grew up under the threat of them, at any time, and I’ve seen the effects of them, over the centuries, studying history. I made a satirical statement on how the news built it up to an “OMG, Hawaii is going to be wiped out” type story. So we all glanced at the computer screen (FOX) at work, when we could, and ended up watching this wave being no more than 3 feet or so. There were a lot of “disappointed” thrillseekers on the cliffs, too.

34. #134
    On February 28th, 2010 at 6:57 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Funny how Michelle disappears on the same day that Al Gore reappears. I wonder…

35. #135
    On February 28th, 2010 at 7:02 pm, swede said:

    Funny how Michelle disappears on the same day that Al Gore reappears. I wonder…

    Don’t go there.

    Experienced a tsunami yesterday. Drain line came loose on the washer. Soapy tsunami down the hallway. No deaths or injuries, but some language not befitting a Christian reported.

    Film at 11.

36. #136
    On February 28th, 2010 at 7:13 pm, swede said:

    First golf of the season today! 57 degrees and sunny. Walked 9 holes.

    Fairways: Soggy – no roll

    Greens: Brown. Like cow pastures

    Time with son: Priceless

37. #137
    On February 28th, 2010 at 7:34 pm, graysonret said:

    Swede, you need a tsunami warning center by your washroom, with a siren. Of course, if that doesn’t work, go golfing. For me, I had Friday-Sunday scheduled off work. Saturday, I got the “How soon can you get here?” call, and today, at 12:10, the same thing. Glad I’m so valuable…sigh. Rather be golfing.

38. #138
    On February 28th, 2010 at 7:38 pm, graysonret said:

    Funny how Michelle disappears on the same day that Al Gore reappears. I wonder…

    I always support Michelle in her wanting to spend time with family. Kids grow up so quickly. We can make our own open thread and talk about the news. As far as Al Gore and his bunch is concerned, we could have England covered in glaciers, with a massive glacier moving down Wall Street in NYC, and Gore would proclaim it is all due to global warming, with Oslo agreeing, setting up a new Peace Prize for him.

39. #139
    On February 28th, 2010 at 7:51 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    I wonder how Al Gore feels about having been declared the first “green” billionaire a few weeks ago only to have his “green empire” evaporate in the bat of an eye.

    “You can’t just wish climate change away, just because the facts and the science don’t support my arguments, well, harrumph… I mean…. I USED TO BE A BILLIONAIRE!!!”

40. #140
    On February 28th, 2010 at 7:59 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 28th, 2010 at 5:41 pm, swede said:
    This thread having been officially declared open…someone was asking the other day what happened to Al Goricle. Well, he’s baaaaaaaaaaack. NYT today. Gorbot’s ignorance on climate science could easily fill several books he’s already written

    The goracle never fails to amuse! I want him to just keep talking because it is great theatre and he no longer can do any harm. One thing I would like to see, though, is manbearpig in jail. And broke.

    Beautiful “warm” day here in Minnesota. My grandson rode his big wheel in the driveway, which has finally melted. There is hope. I expect to see the crocuses poke through the ground next to the house shortly. That happens sometime early March. Then they get a really pretty coating of snow. Also, today is the last day to get your ice houses off the lakes. That is a sure sign of spring!

41. #141
    On February 28th, 2010 at 8:18 pm, happyscrapper said:

    I’m looking forward to hearing Rush Limbaugh tomorrow. Mondays are always fun because he uses sound bites from the weekend “news” shows and then comments on how ridiculous these progressives sound.

42. #142
    On February 28th, 2010 at 8:31 pm, jangar said:

    Hey you bunch of thread highjackers!

43. #143
    On February 28th, 2010 at 8:39 pm, swede said:

    graysonret said:
    I got the “How soon can you get here?” call, and today, at 12:10, the same thing. Glad I’m so valuable…sigh. Rather be golfing.

    Huh. Seems I always get “How soon can you leave.” Between being important and golfing with the kids…guess I’ll go with “D’Oh!”

    Also, today is the last day to get your ice houses off the lakes. That is a sure sign of spring!

    I always thought ice fishing was some form of neurological disorder – yet I was out there freezing my @$$ off every winter. My son says I froze all but two brain cells, so I need to be careful with those.

44. #144
    On February 28th, 2010 at 9:05 pm, Speakup said:

    On February 28th, 2010 at 8:31 pm, jangar said:

    Hey you bunch of thread highjackers!

    Uh..yeah! Leave the children to their own devices and…

45. #145
    On February 28th, 2010 at 9:10 pm, DBNinKY said:

    Whaddya bet our very British Ms. Kay goes to a “37th ranked” US doctor, clinic or hospital every time she needs health care! http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2010/02/28/sick-canadian-should-have-gone-costa-rica

46. #146
    On February 28th, 2010 at 9:31 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Also, today is the last day to get your ice houses off the lakes. That is a sure sign of spring!

    Make sure you fill in the holes too. Don’t want anyone falling in by accident. They are hard to see after the ice melts.

47. #147
    On February 28th, 2010 at 9:38 pm, bjc said:

    *I hope all is well with Michelle and family; When gone for an extended period, we are usually whipped into shape by Doug Powers, cousin of Austin Powers.
    *Regarding Demcare, all indications are that they will push something through, and we already know that it will be bad; They seem to think that it will only lead to a short term election setback come November; They are wrong; It will roil the markets, the economy, economic indicators, and could very well lead to a nationwide tax revolt; It will put us on the brink, and it didn’t have to come to this at all.

48. #148
    On February 28th, 2010 at 9:47 pm, graysonret said:

    Once this healthcare plan is in effect, the dems will use it as the new “3rd rail” of politics. Any attempt to change it, or get rid of it, will be attacked as taking away benefits from the “poor” and “working class”. That is why they want to pass it right now. It will give them the “edge”, they hope, in elections in the future. The real effect of this bill won’t even go into effect until 2012. That way, the main elections are over.

49. #149
    On February 28th, 2010 at 10:54 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Make sure you fill in the holes too. Don’t want anyone falling in by accident. They are hard to see after the ice melts.

    Now that there is funny!!

50. #150
    On March 1st, 2010 at 9:26 am, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah, By now old news. Where in the world is Al Gwhore? I see he has a new opinion piece in the NY Slimes. Do they have fax machines at the beach resort where he’s been staying? Amazing the NY Slimes could get through the snow to publish his lunatic rant on AWG Man Bear Pig. Oh BTW and it comes as no surprise that the NYT has no comment section on their page to refute his nonsense.