Dems: Screw bipartisanship, full steam ahead on Obamacare hara-kiri
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They’re all in — and they’ve convinced themselves that you do not care about the process. They’ve learned nothing from the Tea Party protests, the town hall revolts, or the Massachusetts election. The White House/Democrat message: Screw you!
The White House called for a “simple up-or-down” vote on health care legislation Sunday as Speaker Nancy Pelosi appealed to House Democrats to get behind President Barack Obama’s chief domestic priority even it if threatens their political careers.
In voicing support for a simple majority vote, White House health reform director Nancy-Ann DeParle signaled Obama’s intention to push the Democratic-crafted bill under Senate rules that would overcome GOP stalling tactics.
Republicans unanimously oppose the Democratic proposals. Without GOP support, Obama’s only chance of emerging with a policy and political victory is to bypass the bipartisanship he promoted during his televised seven-hour health care summit Thursday.
“We’re not talking about changing any rules here,” DeParle said. “All the president’s talking about is: Do we need to address this problem and does it make sense to have a simple, up-or-down vote on whether or not we want to fix these problems?”
DeParle was optimistic that the president would have the votes to pass the massive bill. But none of legislation’s advocates who spoke on Sunday indicated that those votes were in hand.
You remember DeParle as the overseer of the White House’s infamous Internet snitch brigade. More importantly, I’ve filled you in on her career as a Clinton-era health care bureaucrat-turned-corporate cash cow-turned Obama health czar in Culture of Corruption.
None of her lucrative corporate ties were mentioned, of course, as she posed as a crusading industry-basher on Meet the Press this weekend:
MS. DePARLE: I believe that the president will keeping fighting and that the American people want to have this kind of health reform.
MR. GREGORY: But you don’t have the votes yet?
MS. DePARLE: Well, look, the president will have more to say about that later this week, and he’s working with the Congress on how best to address that.
MR. GREGORY: Has he made a decision, especially given the results of this summit, that you’ve got to move forward with reconciliation, just go for a simple majority and, you know, losing the opportunity to try to bring some Republicans along?
MS. DePARLE: Well, look, he’s going to have more to say later this week about how he thinks is the best way to move forward. But I think what it’s important to remember here is that we have some fundamental problems with our insurance markets. We have insurance companies sending out premium increases of 39 percent out in California. These are problems that need to be fixed, and the president hears every day from Americans who are hurting because of that.
MR. GREGORY: Right. OK. But fixing those problems, you have to get through procedure to get there, and I’ve been told by several people the decision has been made. It’s reconciliation, go for the simple majority, or else the reforms you’re talking about simple won’t be possible.
MS. DePARLE: Well, I don’t know about that. But I do know this. The healthcare reform has already passed both the House and the Senate with not only a majority in the Senate but a super majority, and we’re not talking about changing any rules here. All the president is talking about is, do we need to address this problem and, and does it make sense to have a simple up or down vote on whether or not we want to fix these problems?
MR. GREGORY: A lot of talk at the summit about where public opinion is. And, and here’s one poll from CNN Opinion Research about how Congress should proceed, a similar bill, a new bill, or stop working on the bill. Nearly three-quarters of the public saying either start over or stop working. I wonder if you respond to Senator McCain who says the “unsavory deals,” in his words, that were made by this administration with pharmaceutical companies, the insurance companies, really hurt the president’s effort overall?
MS. DePARLE: Well, first of all, I’m not sure what he’s talking about with deals with insurance companies. If you’ve watched your network or any others, you’ve seen a lot of the ads they’re running to try to stop reform. And I think we know why. I think we know that right now insurance companies are making the rules and that’s part of what the president’s…
MR. GREGORY: Right.
MS. DePARLE: …trying to change. So…
MR. GREGORY: But they did agree to more regulation and to allow people with previous, you know, prior conditions, because they’d get access to a wider of market of people who would be insured.
MS. DePARLE: I don’t know that they agreed to anything.
MR. GREGORY: There was a deal with pharmaceutical companies.
MS. DePARLE: I think…
MR. GREGORY: There was a deal with the senator from Nebraska…
MS. DePARLE: Well…
MR. GREGORY: …and deals for Louisiana and Florida’s both with regard to Medicaid.
MS. DePARLE: And let’s, let’s, let’s talk about that. The, the Medicaid provisions in the president’s proposal that he put out last week are not the same ones. And, in fact, all states are treated the same with respect to Medicaid. But the more important question, David, is are we going to move forward here or just start over? What is that really code for?
MR. GREGORY: Right.
MS. DePARLE: Is that, is that just code for let’s not do anything? And I don’t think that’s what the American people want. That’s not the people that I’m hearing from every day.
MR. GREGORY: But where’s the evidence–the, the president has said that Americans don’t want to wait. But you see the poll that I just showed, and I’m asking where, where’s the evidence that Americans don’t want to wait, that they really want to move forward? The only protests you’ve seen publicly are on the right in opposition to the bill. Is it a problem of apathy among those who support it or is it not really there?
MS. DePARLE: No. I think it’s a problem partly of who has the power in this whole equation, and I think that’s part of the president’s fighting for is that, right now, the people that he hears from every day–I get notes from him about people that he’s hearing from when he’s there out talking to them and the letters he gets–who can’t get insurance coverage because their child has a pre-existing condition. They have asthma, they can’t change jobs, their premiums are skyrocketing. So I leave the polls to others. What the problem he’s asked me to work on is to try to get the best, most effective way we can to help Americans who are dealing with these problems.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
MS. DePARLE: The small business people who…
MR. GREGORY: But you can’t…
MS. DePARLE: …can’t afford to keep providing coverage.
MR. GREGORY: But you can’t separate the lack of public support for an effort as you move forward on, on the policy. Can this be passed through Congress without support from the American people?
MS. DePARLE: I think there is support.
This is the new strategy of the Dems — to keep repeating out loud that they have the support and they have the votes (even as they urge their members to commit health care hara-kiri and go down with the ship against the will of their constituents).
Pelosi is looking into her mirror and into the cameras and repeating: I have the votes.
They are counting on wearing down their opponents, catching them off-guard, and taking their silence as consent.
As year two of the Tea Party movement begins, job number one is to stop the Obamacare juggernaut, restore true deliberation to the deliberative process, and revoke the consent of the governed to the backroom deals and generational theft being crammed down our throats in the name of compassion and “reform.”
Call your congressional rep. Pound the pavement. Make yourselves heard. Again and again.
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Update: I’ve been hearing from some very irate Georgia readers about this all morning…
An e-mail alert from Congress Daily:
Rep. Nathan Deal, R-Ga., announced today he will resign from Congress to devote his “full energies” to the governor’s race, the Atlanta Journal Constitution reported. One of seven Republicans seeking the GOP nomination for governor, Deal will step down from the House next Monday.The earliest Deal would be replaced is probably late July, when Georgia holds its 2010 primary election.
Among other things, this means ObamaCare is one vote closer to passage. Democrats will now need only 216 votes in the House for a majority, and there is one less “no” vote. By Rep. Eric Cantor’s whip count, though, Democrats are probably more than ten votes short — for now.
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I just have one question about this bill, your honor and I’ll be done. . .
How does this bill keep Medicare from going bankrupt?
The Kool Aide Has Turned To Poison, Will The Democrats Still Drink It?
I keep saying, this is a group of people that feel they are in charge rather than being representatives of the people that voted for them.This is an agenda and they could not care less what the fallout will be, I believe they have factored in what losses they will encounter this year. It is the agenda that drives them and this agenda is so convoluted and sinister it will take generation to undo the damage they wish to cause on this country. Thats if it is not stopped now.
Give the democrats credit. If they push this through then they are voting for what they believe regardless of how it affects them in November.
Had the republicans done the same when they had power, e.g. immigration and border security, we would not be facing electoral oblivion in the future.
I suppose, looking at the classic picture of the Titanic disaster that heads the top of MM’s column, that we are interpret this is as the SS Democratic going down, a monument to political hubris and all that. Don’t believe it for an instant. That’s the SS (super-state) America going down, and the democrats are the ones in the life-boats celebrating, their plan for so many years, decades in fact, having finally succeeded. Of course some democrats will do down as well, but that is a small price to pay.
The unsaid part:
Regardless of what the polls or phone calls or letters or e-mails, say, I’ll continue to say that until I get my way.
President Obama will do anything to get a bill with the words “Health Care” on the title page passed and signed into law. It is his legacy and he will consider his entire presidency (all four years) a total failure unless he can claim that he passed health care when nobody else could do it. That is his legacy and he will fight tooth and nail to get his name into the history books. That is all he cares about. The quality of the health care bill means nothing. He just wants to get the papaer signed and claim the fame and glory as being the president that did it. This president is an empty shell, glory hogging, egomaniac who cares about nobody but himself.
We should all start mailing in little packets of kool-aid and tea bags to congress and the White House. Wonder how many we can send this week?
“When Barry met Harry and Nancy” may turn out to be the romantic comedy of the decade…
“It matters not…he is your king”
–high magistrate; ‘Braveheart’
I am hoping they do pass it. I kind of like the idea of the Democrats being able to drive to Congress after loading their entire delegation in a mini-bus.
Don’t agree. He does not care about his legacy at this point. This has to do with the government siezure of 17% of the economy.
Lets hope and pray that the American people remember how the democrats are screwing them, come November.
These are sad and dangerous times for this poor sick Republic. The leftist Democrats are literally declaring war on the people of the United States.
Anyone who signs this bill should be tried for treason and imprisoned for the rest of his/her life.
ThunderHawkk is very upset.
Barack Hussein Obama: The America-hating Marxist POS is living out his life-long dream of destroying the country that he hates. The country he has hated all his life for reasons only he can comprehend.
I guess he prefers his native Kenya as an example of a just, fair nation?
Politicians are not stupid. They know how to get elected. They are experts at reading the whims of the people and speaking the right words to scratch that itch in people’s ears! Retirement guarantee! Affordable medicine! Insurance that cannot be turned down for any reason! A chicken in every pot! These are the words that politicians have honed down to a science and the sheeple gobble up at the trough of porkulus.
Politicians are mere reflections of their constituency! to be a politician in America, all you have to do is hold up your finger in the wind and go in the direction its blowing. That’s why people with principles don’t get elected; the sheep pick their shepherd and won’t vote for anyone who doesn’t kowtow to their whims. Obama was elected by a popular majority of socialist liberals, who want their cake and eat it too-NOW! Obama is not the problem; the clueless idiots who elected him are.
Americans are getting stupider by the day; the popular majority spoke 16 months ago and now they’re going to get the flaying they deserve. And we, the remnant, who recoil at this idiocy, will have to suffer along with the dupes. One of my favorite Ronald Reagan quotes is, “Government is not the solution to the problem; government IS the problem.”
Have the vote, up or down, it is time. Yes, even in the Senate, especialy the Senate. For the Republican position to prevail it will require the minority to enlist ten Democrats to vote with them.
It should be easy to convince ten (or more) Democrats in the Senate to vote against this bill.
It is time for the rubber to hit the road.
The
democratssocialists declared war on the United States arguably nearly a century ago.If they had the votes they would be passing their healtcare takeover bill right now. What they should say is they are in the middle of bribing the remaining hold outs.
Nancy lies.
Harry lies.
Obambi lies.
America dies.
See a trend?
There is support, just not from the American people – or the Constitution.
Unfortunately, our Republican POTUS was pro-amnesty and probably pro-open borders. He would never have signed anything against those poor illegal aliens who just want a better life.
Wiggy Ziggy has weighed in on the matter. As usual, s/he is wrong. It won’t be “rubber hitting the road” but rather something else “hitting the fan.”
It is amazing how one person can be so clueless on so many issues so consistently.
Two words come to mind:
Cloward-Pivens
Wow and they say Condi was a mouth piece. More so one so under Illuisions. Should have asked her the color of her underwear. “The President will give a speach on that later this week.” They, and that Counts the POTUS need to learn. He works ar the will of the people, at the expense of the people. And we the people have spoken. Maybe its time for a change…
Ah well.
I may be wrong but didnt the Dems fight any up and down votes during the Bush years?
Titanic pic, updated for Generation Hopenchange.
Apparently it will take something BIG for the majority of Americans to wake up from the slide to socialism. It will either be a depression (that will make the last one look like a dip- note the population difference), or an uprising of Constitutionalists. Choose carefully people- but you must choose.
I would say they are wide awake on this issue. The Democrats in la la land think otherwise.
Sucks to be them.
As my sign that I carried in the District of Corruption on Sept. 12, 2009 read:
CHANGE
we have no
HOPE
of paying for
off topic, but does anyone still think this person is not a lunatic?
Al to the Great Unwashed
Obama’a handlers have an agenda…
Slow-down the USA no matter what.
Nancy and Harry may be thinking “compassion” and “reform”…
but the underlying agenda here is to collapse the USA. Go back and look at my posts from the past. I have been saying this waaaay BEFORE Glenn Beck was on Fox talking the same stuff. In their minds – the only way to bring about the change they want, is to bring the USA down to the same level as the rest of the world. There exists no other reasoning. Americans will not adjust very well.
Ms. DeParle says:
What I hear:
Well, that’s because the Republicans were usurpers, while the Democrats rule by right of heredity.
Good grief! You’re taking me to task over the cliche I elected to use?
It is more obvious than ever why I no longer take you seriously.
Are the dems really that clueless? I’m just hoping we can show McCan’t the road and elect a real conservative. Keep pushing king hussein and you may get to see the plebs up close and personal. (No, that is not a threat)
Shinpu Tokutai, BANZAI!!”
Funny, last weekend I pulled out my Victory at Sea DVDs and took another look at the “kamikaze” episode, “Suicide for Glory.” There is one huge difference between the Shinpu Tokutai and what the donks have in mind: the former sacrificed themselves in a desperate effort to preserve a way of life, while the donks are contemplating sacrifice to destroy a way of life.
“Having the courage of your convictions” is one thing; governing against the will of the governed quite another. The former can often be quite noble; the latter is simply tyrannical.
King George III also knew what was best for us better than we knew ourselves.
So no, the donks get zero credit in my book.
The comparison is inapt. The Republicans’ misguided efforts at immigration “reform” went down in flames because they belatedly figured out that the American People wanted no part of it; and rather than saying “Screw you!” in donk fashion, they backed off.
The Republicans need an overhaul, but first things must come first: wrest the levers of state from the donks’ cloven hooves, send them back into Disloyal Minority status, and once the Domestic Enemy is no longer able to fly us all into the side of the aircraft carrier, then focus on the Republicans.
“There are a few bad Republicans, and no good democrats.”
I dunno… Sounds “fishy” to me…
I think they are trying to convince the Republicans that passage is inevitable, so they will sign on to the bill. If passage really were a possibility, you would expect Republican defections because they would be afraid of being tarred as “voting against health care” in the Fall.
Before a bill is passed, it is easier to define it in the negative, because people naturally favor the status quo. After it is passed, people adjust to the new reality and opposition to the bill can be defined in the negative, even for legislation as wildly unpopular as this dog’s breakfast.
But this strategy by the Donks of claiming to have the votes will not work. They just don’t have the numbers, and everybody knows it. This circle can not be squared.
No, Wiggy Ziggy. While I pointed out that your cliche was inaccurate, that was not the issue I was alluding too. But I expected you would seize on the wrong point yet again, which brings me back to the “never has someone been so clueless on so many issues for so long and so consistently.” But thanks for demonstrating my point, yet again….
This whole deal with Healthcare Insurance was never about real Healthcare Insurance, nor is it about a democratic process to pass whatever legislation is finally presented.
The fact that this is not being recognized by a great many people is almost as frightening as the upcoming process/bill itself.
This is about a takeover of the economy and in the process, a takeover of individual’s right to decide what is best for themselves.
The current Democratic majority doesn’t a fig whether they lose the November elections. They want this massive abrogation of our rights in place so that it will become as cast in concrete as Medicare , Medicaid, Social Security, Aid to Dependent Children, you name it.
In that way they will become the masters of our fates, regardless of which party claims to be in power.
One could only hope that the 13 or 14 state attorney generals that expressed that this health care bill is unconstitutional will be ready file a lawsuit the moment the KBPOTUS signs this monstrocity with the request of an immediate court injunction barring its implementation pending a full judicial review.
GSP
“Dissent is Patriotic-hrc”
But just not from the great unwashed, but who cares what they want, we know better, and oh by the way, we need more of what’s in your wallet.
O/T…I am in the midst of renewing my residential flood insurance and was told by my agent this morning that they cannot get any committments from FEMA as they have not been re-authorized for funding as of this morning. Mind you, he had no idea of this last Friday.
All of the home mortgage financing that depends on flood insurance have been placed in limbo as well.
The GOP better start putting on their finest woman’s underwear and start making for the lifeboats, because this ship is going down!
That is the left’s “center of gravity (primary weakness for non-military types):” Other people’s money.
Starve the beast. And it starts at the state level.
You’ve misread my post. Amnesty was the furthest thing from my mind. Rather, the republicans should have pushed for tighter border security, workplace enforcement, etc. Instead, they let the MSM scare them into believing they would alienate too many voters if they appeared to tough on illegals. Now, if they are lucky maybe 1 or 2 out of every 5 new voters will be republican. They basically handed the democrats a guaranteed future majority.
I say let them pass the thing. Here’s the thing about a bill where you delay the benefits paid out for three years, but begin tax increases immediately — you repeal the thing in year two, and you look like a hero. When Americans who should be benefiting from the initiative have less money in their pockets and absolutely nothing to show for it, they will make their voices heard.
We were on a socialism slow drip before BO took office. It was being slid right under our noses. In some ways, BO was a wakeup call to America, and we’re almost fortunate that he won the election instead of McCain. I’d rather fail fast and correct course than fail slowly and not notice until it’s too late.
The simple fact of the matter is that programs like Medicare, Social Security, and “ObamaCare” cannot possibly work over the long run. The federal government cannot manage such a program over time. This is because such programs are fundamentally and fatally flawed from conception to implementation. And because government simply lacks the skills to make massive, flawed programs work.
Recent history has shown that government can’t even do this with small, short-term, programs like cash for clunkers, and cash for weatherizing…
But statists don’t want to hear this no matter how much empirical evidence one can pile up to prove that these programs don’t work.
There is this inherent arrogance in all statists that they are better, smarter, more capable and more visionary than those who preceded them. Somehow, in spite of the fact that EVERYONE ELSE has failed, these delusional morons are convinced they have “figured it out” and can make it work THIS TIME.
ObamaCare is just the most recent demonstration of these points. Arrogance plus BIG GOVERNMENT equals tyranny and expensive, failure…
I look forward to the end of the Democratic Party. It is nothing more than a den of thieves.
This is further proof (to my mind at least) that someone outside the government is pulling the strings. For a politician to take a stance that will jeopardize re-election, takes more than just a sense of what they believe is right.
Where’s Soros in all this?
Actually, I’d figured what you probably meant, but the only time the Republicans really touched upon immigration reform was with the hare-brained “comprehensive” ideas that they were toying with which only would’ve made things worse.
11B, hmm? That was my primary branch. Brotha Blood…
Warren Buffett Says scrap the health care bill. He says It doesn’t drive down cost. Duh!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33693.html
OK. What were you alluding to, exactly? Why can’t you just say what you mean and mean what you say? Stop ‘alluding’ and come straight out with it.
And, how is my choice of cliche wrong and your choice of cliche any more right? Was I wrong to believe you called me clueless because you did not like the cliche I used?
Do you agree, or disagree, with my original post (#18) that states that the Republican position should prevail? Do you agree that the Republicans should seek out 10 Democrats to vote with them to defeat the bill?
Clueless? Demonstrate how this is so, with regard to this thread and my comments to it.
Seriously.
BINGO!!!
11b:
The House passed an enforcement bill (HR4437) that generated the illegal alien demonstrations (remember the Mexican flags?) against it. Instead of following the House lead and doing what the citizens wanted, which was enforcement. Rep. Sensenbrenner was the primary sponsor. The Senate, lead by McCain, came up with their hare-brained amnesty bill, McCain/Kennedy. That had to be withdrawn, so they came back the next year with another attempt at amnesty. McCain needs to be retired by J.D. Hayworth
Try again:
The House passed HR4437, an enforcement bill, which genertated the illegal marches. Sponsored by Rep. Sensenbrenner. Instead of doing what the citizens wanted, enforcement, the Senate, led by McCain, put forward an amnesty bill, and tried TWICE to jam it down our throats.
The most importatnt date this year is Aug. 24, the AZ primary when we can rid the GOP of the Democrats secret weapon.
Once again – Cloward-Pivens strategy:
These people, along with Obama, Bill Ayers, et al, were in thick with Saul Alinsky.
Their strategy is working beautifully. Whether the democrats are knowing participants or not important. Read a little about this strategy. It explains a lot.
I’d say the rubber already has met the road–that’s precisely the point. The fact that even with a majority, the Dems can’t get anything passed shows that there isn’t the support even among those of their own party.
That is, the American people, through their elected representatives, HAVE registered their feelings on this and apparently it’s “NO!”
I heard Dr. Albert Mohler, on a podcast this morning, reference a political scientist who was stating the blindingly obvious: sometimes “gridlock” is an indication of the proper functioning of a democracy. Partisanship is not a plague on democracy; it is ESSENTIAL to it.
Related to that, I noticed something in the original article referenced by MM has has so far been unremarked upon and that drove my blood pressure up immediately:
(emph. mine)
What the?? “stalling tactics”???
Pelosi keeps talking about how politicians should think of the people first and their seats second. I suggest that Nancy show how important this is to her by either resigning her seat or indicating that she will not run. Lead by example, Nancy.
I believe that you believe the Democrats are actually going to play by the rules.
I do not believe that. I really think that there are enough Democrats that will back Pelosi and Reid to ram this through regardless of the consequences to the future elections.
Against my better judgement, I’ll respond to the troll with no judgement.
Um, first the bill is not in the Senate, it is in the House. Christmas eve, the senate passed their version with significant changes from the one handed them by the House. Procedure requires the House now either pass it as is, (sending it to the president’s desk) or ammend it again – in which case it must return to the Senate.
The bill the senate passed contains a provision for funding abortions. (in spite of Nanny Botox’s lie Thursday that it doesn’t) Stupak and 14 other pro life Dems will not sign it as is, and other Dems in the house object to it for other reasons. Nanny does not have the votes. Period. If the house ammends the bill, it must return to the Senate, where “41 Brown” enables the GOP to kill it by filibuster.
Reconciliation can be used only for funding legislation that has already passed, not passage of legislation. The only way they can make this work would be for the house to pass the bill as is, then send it to the Senate – with back room deals that the Senate will not fund the parts the House wants removed – by by simple majority vote in reconciliation. That is a huge abuse of the reconciliation rules, and everyone knows it.
As of Sunday, Nanny (who is not in danger of losing her seat) is telling the Dems who are in danger to give up their political futures for Healthcare. Seriously, what do you think they will do? At any rate a simple up or down vote in the Senate is not even in the game at this point.
Swede,
I agree with the HotAir article. I do not think the votes in the House are there, nor will they be.
Wow – What a coincidence…speaking of Soros, check out Atlas Shrugs:
White House Subversion: Obama Hands Soros Bank, Favoritism
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/03/white-house-subversion-obama-hands-soros-bank-favoritism.html
No, no…don’t get me wrong–I’m in total agreement with you that eventually, the Dems will ram it through by any means necessary. I was just speaking to this idea that the majority of the country is behind the Dems and it’s those pesky GOPers that are all the problem.
Wiggy Ziggy,
Wow. Clueless. Seriously.
Yes, if you really thought I was taking issue with your cliche you are clueless.
I do agree that the Republican position, that the two existing monstrosities (House and Senate bills) referred to as “ObamaCare” should be scrapped.
You seem to be clueless that the vote that counts will be in the House and NOT the Senate. The House is considering passing the already passed Senate bill.
You seem to be even more clueless in your belief that 10 Senate Democrats might break ranks to vote against a bill they have all already voted in favor of. Republicans are far more likely to find a heard of magical, winged unicorns in the basement of the Capitol than 10 Democrat Senators willing to change their vote on this bill. The Republicans would waste less time searching for the “Luminiferous Aether” rather than searching for your even more elusive 10 Democrats…
That is pretty much of a given for several generations. Our country is drowning in unserviceable debt, our children and grandchildren are screwed big time and yet the beat goes on for more debt. Our whole structure chases jobs away and lifetime savings are in peril. And when the crash, when it all falls apart? The reckoning?
Emergency powers akin to-or even-martial law and rule by fiat. Some of us will not Kowtow to our supposed “betters”. But election or no election I do not see these people and their evil intentions going away.
If we must feed the trolls please feed them to the alligators
Pelosi: New Health Care Bill Will Be Ready in Days
Here comes plan “B”, AKA Trojan Horse.
For everyone thats interested here is something:
http://www.onlinetaxrevolt.com/join/
Agreed, sorry.
Wouldn’t that actually be plan “D”?
A) House bill
B) Senate bill
C) Barry Bill
D) Barry redux – Which will still have to get through the House, then the new and improved “filibusterable” Senate. This is a desperation play that is not very likely to fly. It will be interesting to see how they play it.
So, did Obama call for a “simple up-or-down” vote on President Bush’s judicial nominees?
No.
Hypocrite.
Thanks, Libs, for destroying America.
Thanks, All The Rest Of Us, for allowing them to get away with it.
Can we have the revolution now, please?!?!?
Be careful for what you wish for…
Where do i get my che gevarra t-shirt?
Excellent question, and the answer gets to what is really generating the elites’ determination to stick us with this atrocity.
It puts everyone in the same sinking Medicare boat. That way they can gradually cut back the quality of service and make people wait in line longer and longer without getting the kind of outrage they would get from the old folks if just Medicare medical went to rot.
In the view of our elites, Americans are choosing to spend too much on medical care. Obamacare will ‘fix’ that. It will gradually reduce what we’re spending on medical care to the level we see elsewhere in the decadent world.
The correct, honest, transparent, simple solution to Medicare going bankrupt is a massive increase in the ‘premiums’/medicare tax combined with massive increases in the deductibles and co-pays. Of course.
But people would still choose to spend ‘too much’ on medical care, so that solution doesn’t do to us what our elites want to do.
Not that kind of revolution.
A George Washington revolution (and a GW T-shirt).
Only slightly OT:
Obama should expand court
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20100228_Obama_should_expand_court.html
and:
Obama Nominates Lawyer Who Represented “American Taliban” to Work in Justice Department…
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/03/obamas-judicial-jihad.html
Wow – the domestic enemies aren’t even trying to act stealthily any longer.
I knew you could do it. Explain your assertions if pushed. Nothing in your first post, metioning only my poor choice of cliche, addressed the issues you now raised.
It is not about you taking me to task. I welcome it and if you are correct I will acknowledge that fact. It is more about you making unsubstantiated assertions unsupported by facts. I am not a mind reader and there is no way I could possibly know what you meant by clueless.
Well, kudos to you for finally saying what you should have said earlier.
Now, I will address your argument.
Why didn’t you say you agreed with my initial post from the start, vice questioning my choice of cliche?
No. I specifically mentioned the Senate in my initial post. I said, ‘especially the Senate’.
No. Each House passes their own bill. There was to be a conference committee to merge the two bills which would produce one bill and it would then return to each House so that each will vote on the same exact thing.
[NOTE: Are you clueless about the legislative process?]
[NOTE: The conference committee did not happen and this lead to charges that the Republicans were being shut out of the process.]
No. Senators change their minds all the time. It was Senators Landrieu and Snow who voted to move the process forward reserving the right to vote against the bill at a latter time. That time would be after the combined bill was formed.
Also, any Democrat Senators in the position of Sen Lincoln (AR), were to accept and believe that a majority of people did not want this bill, they would certainly have to consider voting against it. Like it or not, Senators can and do change their minds for a variety of reasons.
Moreover, there have been, and always be, Senators from both parties who have broken ranks with their party.
OK, a bit of humor.
Nope. The question is, how strongly do the Republicans feel about stopping this bill, and what are they willing to do to achieve their goal? One way is to convince as many Dem Senators as possible to break ranks.
No doubt the Dems are trying to get Rep Senators to break ranks.
You can look for all the unicorns you want, but to be successful you have to make good solid and substantive fact filled arguments to persuade the members of the other side to walk the better path.
This is just so Chicago. Complain about anything in that area and response was always the same – “you’re the only one complaining”, which is code for “go away. We go what we want here”. Bho wants us to have his idea of healthcare because we don’t know how much better he can make our lives, since he is the one who was chosen to lead us. So, shut up and wait for your government handout!!!
Yeah, I am curious about your judgement, too. Based on my initial post and the response to it in post #23, how on earth can you determine what I am clueless about? The author only explained what they meant by calling me clueless in post #59.
Are you some kind of mind reader?
“Never interfere with the enemy when he is destroying himself.” Sun Tzu
I also notice we have progressed from kabuki to hara-kiri. It’s nice the Japanese have given us such useful models. Kabuki is theatre containing violence for entertainment, but no one gets hurt. Hara kiri involves humility, honor, courage and ultimate self-sacrifice. Um, we’re talking liberal politicians here – right?!
Pelosilly’s latest rant is more sound and fury signifying nothing. She does not have the votes, can not get them, and she knows it.
Exactly.
You beat me to it!
Note: Quote redacted for clarity and brevity, and to better accomodate the facts at hand.
No. “A blank slate can not be read.” Or something. John Locke
granite
Yeah, if there were only some way that we could accelerate the process, as is Sun Tzu’s famous “jars of urine” story.
Again, only slightly OT:
Obama’s Jihadist: Banned in the US Tariq Ramadan Welcomed to US Next Week
“Islam’s leading jihadist Tariq Ramadan, was issued a US Visa last week by the Obama adminsitration(sic). He’ll be in the US as early as next month speaking at….”
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/03/obamas-jihadist-banned-in-the-us-tariq-ramadan-welcomed-to-us-next-week-.html
The hits just keep on coming.
God help us, and God save America….
And you beat me to that!
Arrgghh!!
Kudos to you!
Sorry, don’t think I ever heard that one.
But, I will look it up.
Thx.
Enemy troops in the open? Sweet!
As the story goes, in ancient China, before doing battle, the opposing generals used to send each other gifts of food and wine, as a sign of respect, and so that they could have a good meal the night before engaging the battle. On one occasion, Sun Tzu advised his commander to send the opposing general jars full of urine, instead of wine. When the other general (who was known for his short temper and thin skin) sampled the contents of the jars, he was so incensed that he immediately ordered his army to attack the fortifications of the opposition. His army was unprepared, and in disarray, and were soundly defeated. So the moral of the story is, let’s send the Dems some bottles of piss, so that they accelerate their meltdown.
That’s a good idea…piss them off literally, as well as figuratively.
Ouch!
Couldn’t resist….
Ed Morrissey posted
One thing I don’t see mentioned in that post is the fact that Harry Reid’s Manager’s Ammendment took the historic, unprecedented step of claiming that any future attempt to repeal the so-called “death panels” would be considered a RULE CHANGE, and would require much larger numbers than normal (I think a 2/3 majority, not just the 3/5 majority to overcome a filibuster).
If this passes, it will next to impossible to repeal it.
When this monster passes the first papers filed should be with the Supreme Court.
While the Dems are at it, a house, car, new clothes, and a job for everyone. Not just healthcare for everyone.
Marxists!
You lack the stones to directly address a straightforward question, and now you twist and spin words to fit your narrative.
In the past you have offered reasonable arguments. I am disappointed in you.
I live in Georgia – not in Deal’s district – and I just sent him a letter letting him know that he’ll never be Governor after what he’s pulled. We listen now and we watch. These people better be careful if they want to keep their jobs.
rworks, I was wondering what the Georgians thought about this. What’s up with this guy? Forget Governor for sure.
And I am deeply dissapointed in your dissapointment in me arising from my response to your response to my reaction to your response to WE82′s reaction to your clueless post – which he probably shouldn’t have responded to in the first place – but we all know WE82 likes to mix it up so I suppose he can be forgiven his propensity to engage in dialogue calling your provocative blurb into question and illustrating the logical and factual falicies inherent your cognitive processes – or lack thereof.
In the future I will endeavor to persevere. Thank you for your dissapointment that has illuminated and clarified my kharma to a level approaching Nirvana!
It seems pretty clear that wiggy ziggy is clueless about the “reconciliation option” that Pelosi and Reid are pushing.
Note: Clueless, but that was never in doubt.
Note: At this point, using “reconciliation” the Dems don’t need any GOP Senators to break ranks. Again, clueless about the specific process Pelosi and Reid are pursuing. Again, no surprise.
Just about every lib blogsite is filled with comments about how this person or that cannot afford to go to the doctor for various lifesaving treatments or prescription drugs and they need this bill pushed through to stay alive. Hogwash. There is nothing in those bills that promise to provide them, in fact the first two make it abundantly clear you could/will be rationed. Life or health insurance isn’t worth a tinker’s d*&n if what you think it says and what it actually says isn’t in agreement. Hope and change on steroids.
If I understand anything about this and other versions of the bill is that you will be the first casualties of it. Sadly, you and your children will still pay for it. We are the change we’ve been waiting for on steroids.
Uncle Saul said, “The ends justify the means.”
If a few decent democrats have to be sacrificed for the greater progressive socialist good…then so be it. (sarc)
I agree — and at ramming speed!
Looked up the definition of Mark Levin’s “drones” today. A bee making no honey and having no stinger is a drone. A machine that is controlled by remote control is a drone. A sound that is low, continued and monotonous is a drone. And finally, a person who
speaksposts in a monotonous way is a drone.