Dems: Screw bipartisanship, full steam ahead on Obamacare hara-kiri
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They’re all in — and they’ve convinced themselves that you do not care about the process. They’ve learned nothing from the Tea Party protests, the town hall revolts, or the Massachusetts election. The White House/Democrat message: Screw you!
The White House called for a “simple up-or-down” vote on health care legislation Sunday as Speaker Nancy Pelosi appealed to House Democrats to get behind President Barack Obama’s chief domestic priority even it if threatens their political careers.
In voicing support for a simple majority vote, White House health reform director Nancy-Ann DeParle signaled Obama’s intention to push the Democratic-crafted bill under Senate rules that would overcome GOP stalling tactics.
Republicans unanimously oppose the Democratic proposals. Without GOP support, Obama’s only chance of emerging with a policy and political victory is to bypass the bipartisanship he promoted during his televised seven-hour health care summit Thursday.
“We’re not talking about changing any rules here,” DeParle said. “All the president’s talking about is: Do we need to address this problem and does it make sense to have a simple, up-or-down vote on whether or not we want to fix these problems?”
DeParle was optimistic that the president would have the votes to pass the massive bill. But none of legislation’s advocates who spoke on Sunday indicated that those votes were in hand.
You remember DeParle as the overseer of the White House’s infamous Internet snitch brigade. More importantly, I’ve filled you in on her career as a Clinton-era health care bureaucrat-turned-corporate cash cow-turned Obama health czar in Culture of Corruption.
None of her lucrative corporate ties were mentioned, of course, as she posed as a crusading industry-basher on Meet the Press this weekend:
MS. DePARLE: I believe that the president will keeping fighting and that the American people want to have this kind of health reform.
MR. GREGORY: But you don’t have the votes yet?
MS. DePARLE: Well, look, the president will have more to say about that later this week, and he’s working with the Congress on how best to address that.
MR. GREGORY: Has he made a decision, especially given the results of this summit, that you’ve got to move forward with reconciliation, just go for a simple majority and, you know, losing the opportunity to try to bring some Republicans along?
MS. DePARLE: Well, look, he’s going to have more to say later this week about how he thinks is the best way to move forward. But I think what it’s important to remember here is that we have some fundamental problems with our insurance markets. We have insurance companies sending out premium increases of 39 percent out in California. These are problems that need to be fixed, and the president hears every day from Americans who are hurting because of that.
MR. GREGORY: Right. OK. But fixing those problems, you have to get through procedure to get there, and I’ve been told by several people the decision has been made. It’s reconciliation, go for the simple majority, or else the reforms you’re talking about simple won’t be possible.
MS. DePARLE: Well, I don’t know about that. But I do know this. The healthcare reform has already passed both the House and the Senate with not only a majority in the Senate but a super majority, and we’re not talking about changing any rules here. All the president is talking about is, do we need to address this problem and, and does it make sense to have a simple up or down vote on whether or not we want to fix these problems?
MR. GREGORY: A lot of talk at the summit about where public opinion is. And, and here’s one poll from CNN Opinion Research about how Congress should proceed, a similar bill, a new bill, or stop working on the bill. Nearly three-quarters of the public saying either start over or stop working. I wonder if you respond to Senator McCain who says the “unsavory deals,” in his words, that were made by this administration with pharmaceutical companies, the insurance companies, really hurt the president’s effort overall?
MS. DePARLE: Well, first of all, I’m not sure what he’s talking about with deals with insurance companies. If you’ve watched your network or any others, you’ve seen a lot of the ads they’re running to try to stop reform. And I think we know why. I think we know that right now insurance companies are making the rules and that’s part of what the president’s…
MR. GREGORY: Right.
MS. DePARLE: …trying to change. So…
MR. GREGORY: But they did agree to more regulation and to allow people with previous, you know, prior conditions, because they’d get access to a wider of market of people who would be insured.
MS. DePARLE: I don’t know that they agreed to anything.
MR. GREGORY: There was a deal with pharmaceutical companies.
MS. DePARLE: I think…
MR. GREGORY: There was a deal with the senator from Nebraska…
MS. DePARLE: Well…
MR. GREGORY: …and deals for Louisiana and Florida’s both with regard to Medicaid.
MS. DePARLE: And let’s, let’s, let’s talk about that. The, the Medicaid provisions in the president’s proposal that he put out last week are not the same ones. And, in fact, all states are treated the same with respect to Medicaid. But the more important question, David, is are we going to move forward here or just start over? What is that really code for?
MR. GREGORY: Right.
MS. DePARLE: Is that, is that just code for let’s not do anything? And I don’t think that’s what the American people want. That’s not the people that I’m hearing from every day.
MR. GREGORY: But where’s the evidence–the, the president has said that Americans don’t want to wait. But you see the poll that I just showed, and I’m asking where, where’s the evidence that Americans don’t want to wait, that they really want to move forward? The only protests you’ve seen publicly are on the right in opposition to the bill. Is it a problem of apathy among those who support it or is it not really there?
MS. DePARLE: No. I think it’s a problem partly of who has the power in this whole equation, and I think that’s part of the president’s fighting for is that, right now, the people that he hears from every day–I get notes from him about people that he’s hearing from when he’s there out talking to them and the letters he gets–who can’t get insurance coverage because their child has a pre-existing condition. They have asthma, they can’t change jobs, their premiums are skyrocketing. So I leave the polls to others. What the problem he’s asked me to work on is to try to get the best, most effective way we can to help Americans who are dealing with these problems.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
MS. DePARLE: The small business people who…
MR. GREGORY: But you can’t…
MS. DePARLE: …can’t afford to keep providing coverage.
MR. GREGORY: But you can’t separate the lack of public support for an effort as you move forward on, on the policy. Can this be passed through Congress without support from the American people?
MS. DePARLE: I think there is support.
This is the new strategy of the Dems — to keep repeating out loud that they have the support and they have the votes (even as they urge their members to commit health care hara-kiri and go down with the ship against the will of their constituents).
Pelosi is looking into her mirror and into the cameras and repeating: I have the votes.
They are counting on wearing down their opponents, catching them off-guard, and taking their silence as consent.
As year two of the Tea Party movement begins, job number one is to stop the Obamacare juggernaut, restore true deliberation to the deliberative process, and revoke the consent of the governed to the backroom deals and generational theft being crammed down our throats in the name of compassion and “reform.”
Call your congressional rep. Pound the pavement. Make yourselves heard. Again and again.
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Update: I’ve been hearing from some very irate Georgia readers about this all morning…
An e-mail alert from Congress Daily:
Rep. Nathan Deal, R-Ga., announced today he will resign from Congress to devote his “full energies” to the governor’s race, the Atlanta Journal Constitution reported. One of seven Republicans seeking the GOP nomination for governor, Deal will step down from the House next Monday.The earliest Deal would be replaced is probably late July, when Georgia holds its 2010 primary election.
Among other things, this means ObamaCare is one vote closer to passage. Democrats will now need only 216 votes in the House for a majority, and there is one less “no” vote. By Rep. Eric Cantor’s whip count, though, Democrats are probably more than ten votes short — for now.
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And, this is why you shouldn’t be taken seriously. That option passes or fails based on a majority vote.
Were the Reps to stop looking for your unicorns and spent some time trying to get ten (or more) Dems to break ranks the bill would not pass, now will it?
Going back to my initial post, that is what it says. Instead of attacking me as a knee jerk reaction, read what I write. Recall, you agree with me.
Stop digging. You’re at the bottom of your hole.
Too funny.
The unfortunate thing is that you never addressed my original post, only the assertion of another about it.
You failed.
Agreed. I’m not as certain as you though about Dingy even getting his 51 votes. They are not calling reconciliation the nuclear option for nothing. For the blue dogs it could be political suicide. Pelosilly calling on other dems to fall on their swords for BarryCare when her seat is not threatened is just theatre. Won’t happen and she knows it.
This new play coming up may make it a moot point. The new PlanC Barry is supposed to be shoveling in on Wednesday worries me. Supposedly it is trimmed way down and even sports a tort reform and interstate portability stick and carrot for the GOP RINOS.
Like cicero said earlier, it looks like a Trojan Horse to get all their socialist crap in later, and all they need is a couple RINOS to make it fly. It will be interesting to see what’s in it.
Dave #111
That’s a great ‘toon, and visually says it all. Thanks.
“Do not ever say that the desire to “do good” by force is a good motive, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong.
~Ayn Rand~
They should all sacrifice themselves for the greater good.
Aztec style.
If this is rammed down our throats…
2012 will be a Conservative / Libertarian Tsunami!!!
OT- ACORN owned Brooklyn DA says ACORN did nothing wrong giving prostitution advice.
Obama will still be President until 2013, so nothing will happen, because the GOP, even best case, will not have the votes to override a veto on a bill turning back hell care.
Once “free” healthcare is extended to many more people, it’ll be difficult to roll back an entitlement, even if a Republican wins the White House.
And even after two elections, 66 or 67 seats up, there is every chance the Dems will have a filibuster sufficient minority.
And while they’ll happily use reconcilation now, the screaming from the MSM if the GOP tried it will be incredible.
Hope there are enough House Dems who don’t want to lose in November for hell care to die. Because the damage it will do to the country is immense, and obviously Nancy Pelosi has made the calculation ramming through Marxist Medicine is worth losing the Speaker’s gavel.
Mark Steyn has analyzed this closely. I recommend reading his writings on rolling back an entitlement, and how the Tories have to campaign on running the NHS better than Labour, not abolishing it.
The Democratic Socialists fancy themselves the party of “fairness” and “justice”.
But the truth is they don’t give a d-mn about fairness.
They want to abuse their power to not only lower the bar for themselves but also raise the bar for Republicans…
Instead of truly seeking “fairness” and having the same rules for both parties, i.e., 60 Senators required to pass the bill, and 60 Senators required to pass a future bill repealing the original bill…
The Democrats seek to lower the bar by 10 for themselves,
and raise the bar by 8 for Republicans.
They want to be able to pass this with only 50 Senators (they’ll probably have more than 50, but 50 is all they would need for reconciliation, since Biden could cast the 51st vote if necessary).
And at the same time they want to require the Republicans to have 68 Senators in order to repeal the centerpiece of the bill… the so-called “death panels”.
Senator DeMint said:
For those of us paying attention and old enough to understand what we are seeing I put forward the following:
WDC aka Washington District of Corruption has been steadily pulling away from We The People for at least 50 years and some would argue that it is closer to 100 years. This being the time frame of The Fed, Progressive Income Tax, and The League of Nations.
Our government has reached the point of being a real danger to the people it is sworn to protect. Furthermore, it has become a “protection” cover for corruption, murder (abortion), and even treason by our elected Representatives. I don’t know about you but I can not remember the last time I felt represented. Also, this administration really knows how the Protection Racket works. Most of them come from Chicago, what a School for future politicians.
It is time for a thorough house cleaning before we really lose everything. This is were I think Sarah Palin could be of tremendous value to our teetering Republic.
She has proven capabilities, ask most Alaskans.
I’m not necessaryily suggesting the POTUS for her. For me Special Prosecutor has a really nice ring. My god would that drive the Drive-By Media up a tree. It would be hilarious to watch.
PC is Thought Control
LEE
Cliff Notes version:
Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul
Two more words: STATES’ SOVEREIGNTY!
It’s going to be a long, hot summer, folks. Anger is building. The Tea Party will be out in larger numbers and more often. The progressives will be out too, trying to make the Tea Partiers look bad, and inciting violence. Obama will be encouraging the unions to go after the dissenters. He wants trouble and I’m afraid he will get it. This is all building to November and this administration will thwart the elections if they can. Personally, I think we need to get some of our military home from So. Korea, France, Germany, etc. We need them here. I am assuming they will fight on the side of liberty and freedom, despite supposedly answering to the CIC. The CIC is a traitor who wants to take our freedom from us. This administration is exactly the kind of group that our military has trained to fight against and I pray they choose wisely.
Am I being melodramatic? I hope so!!
If this passes the House, it’ll pass the Senate, and probably won’t need reconcilation.
They need one turncoat in the Senate to get to 60 votes.
Does the name “Olympia Snowe” ring a bell?
Imagine the unimaginable and prepare for the worse!
Praying our Republic survives, PEACEFULLY!!!
While Obama is still POTUS through January 2013 it would take Republican super majorities in the Senate and the House to undue hell care.
2/3rds majority in the House and Senate to over ride a veto.
The place this fails is if enough House Dems don’t want to commit career suicide.
Pelosi’s seat is safe, and playing chess, not checkers, she’ll give up the pawn of the Speaker’s gavel to check mate capitalism.
happyscrapper,
Correct. It’s all part of the process.
And this process has already played out over and over and over again in other countries which were taken over by Communists.
Over 25 years ago, Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov (a.k.a Tomas Schuman) explained the entire process of Ideological Subversion.
undo, not undue.
Quitting time.
Semantic silliness is not dialogue Z. Your original post,
is clueless because.
A. The bill is in the House, Not the Senate.
B. The House must pass it as is, or ammend it.
C. Pelosilly does not have the votes to pass it. P.E.R.I.O.D.
D. Nanny will not bring it to the floor without the votes.
D. If by some craziness it does get back to the Senate, “reconciliation” can not pass a bill. Only fund legislation already passed.
Silly semantics about who is responding to who is responding to who and why has nothing to do with the topic. That was the point of the last post, which as usual, you missed. Deal with the rationale here, and indicate where it is in error, or stop being annoying and wasting bytes.
Just a clue – When the topic becomes you, then you are irrelevant. You have become a troll.
If you only have time for one of the parts, view part 5.
Of course these tools are aware that even if this bs was passed tomorrow that it wouldn’t go into effect until 2014, right? They realize that the only thing that would happen tomorrow is that we will get to pay the increased taxes that will be imposed to pay for the part of it that Obama doesn’t borrow or print money for, right?
So I sure hope that these people that are on death’s door today can wait another 4 years for the program to kick in and by then with the rationing that will automatically follow at least another year or two to see someone who might resemble an MD.
What a bunch of maroons they are that comment on liberal blogsites.
*They can go ahead and pass Demcare all they want, but in due course it will never come to pass; The liberals, progressives, and Democrat pissants can cry all they want about the monkey on their backs, and all I can say is, it’s not my job to tote your monkey!
VERY well put, Swede!
Yeah – a majority vote by ONE party, the Democrats, that, in doing so, is going against the explicit wishes of its own constituents!
Member-VRWC #135
You are absolutely correct in your analysis – IMHO this is going to turn into the biggest and most deadly slush fund in history. The sheer dollars are going to be far too attractive and alluring for the raider’s in D.C. – it’ll be looted just like Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid, with nothing but a bread crumb trail to gramma’s house.
When a doctor writes, in your chart, that you should “moderate your alcohol intake”, you have a drinking problem.
Maybe he’ll run to rehab; the “pc” thing to do. Isn’t it wonderful, folks! We have a nicotine-infused president who drinks too much!
Michelle, speaking of Town Halls and how Congress may or may not do things their constituents want…
I sent you an email about my Congressman sending a notice in the mail about his upcoming Town Halls here in his district.
What a contrast compared to those on the left who want to hide from their voters.
Then why your silly posts #93 and #107? I acknowledge the latter as ‘too funny’. You wrote the silliness not me.
Oh, now you are going to finally address my initial post. It was a long time coming, but I knew you would eventually grow a pair and get around to it.
For now.
Well, there are three bills. The Senate bill, the House bill, and the combined bill(actually what should have been conferenced). Each of the three bills has it’s own path forward. Only the Senate bill can move forward for signature if the entire House accepts the Senates language. The other two would have to be revisited in the Senate.
Did you just say ‘ammended’? Yes, the House can accept the Senate bill with a majority vote and move it forward for signature. [NOTE: You may not have noticed but we agree.]
When, and if, it is ammended in the House it will have to go back to the Senate. Both Houses must pass the bill using the same language.
Maybe, maybe not. I did not address Speaker Pelosi in my initial post, did I? Or, did you require a clue to figure that out?
OK. Did not mention that in my post either. Are you clueless?
You just used the word ‘ammended’. Any bill other than the original Senate bill, that has already passed, will have to be brought to the Senate for consideration. Do you need a clue about how the process works? Both House have to pass a bill with the same language.
And no, reconcilition is done on bills that are funding related.
Nope. I missed nothing. Said your silliness was ‘too funny’.
I just have. Two of your five points did not speak to anything I said in my post. The last is factually incorrect. And, the first two have caveats.
There is a fair amount of discussion about reconciliation. Yes, here on MM’s blog, too.
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/02/19/reconciliation-the-public-option-and-demcare-revival/
Is reconciliation a tool of the House or Senate? Are you clueless? I’ll give you a clue. It is a tool of the Senate. Why not discuss the possibility of reconciliation, which is a majority wins type of voting process, when in fact it might be used?
My initial post speaks to that issue. Have the bill return to the Senate in any form and then begin the practice of peeling off Dems to defeat it in an up or down vote. What don’t you understand about that?
You know what? Don’t even worry about reconciliation. Should the bill return to the Senate for any reason have the vote under standard procedures, but still go after fence sitting Dems. Go after the Dems who will respond to their constituents pleas to kill the bill.
Only you can make me the topic of discussion. And you have. You talked about me being supposedly clueless and only just now have you discussed what I wrote.
No. You are the troll. You came out from under the bridge, threw your bomb based on what another said, and scurried back into the shadows. You took a tangent and made an assertion by another, the topic.
On March 1st, 2010 at 9:32 pm, Dexter Alarius said:
Come back! She’ll bite your legs off!
So, does that mean Obama, in order to keep his “solemn pledge”, will veto any healthcare bill that does not cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family’s premiums by up to $2500 a year?
No, of course not. But he should be reminded of his “solemn pledge”, and told (again) “You Lie!“
Clue to Zzzzzzzzzz yaaaaaawn. Like Dear Leader, you need to learn when to stop talking. Your post calls for a “rubber-hits-the road up-or-down-vote.
Clue to Z – “up-or-down” is the new Dem-speak for reconciliation. Dems have been instructed not to use the term “reconciliation”, but refer to it as “simple majority” or “up-or-down” vote. The word reconciliation is toxic. For the third and last time, at this point only Pelosi can make that happen. Reconciliation is used by the Senate only to fund legislation. It was created by Senator Byrd to alleviate a blocking strategy used to effectively kill legislation. Before, a small minority of senators could block funding for a passed legislation, rendering the legislation effectively useless and meaningless.
Clue to Z – For the Senate to use reconciliation, the House has to give them a bill to reconcile. There are not three bills, there is one. It is sitting in the House where it will die unless Nanny can get them to pass the Senate bill or ammend it. Neither are at all likely to happen. (Remember Stupak & Co?)
The new and improved, leaner and meaner BarryCare will be rolled out tomorrow. It will have a scaled back price tag and have sticks and carrots for the RINO’s. (Tort reform and interstate portability) They only need one RINO to flip and reconciliation is a moot point.
Sorry Michelle, Looks like EVERYTHING in America will go bust.
Well it looks like I missed another back and forth with zyzzyg.
Anybody else remember when our trolls were bitter ideologues and liked to argue talking points?
RE: Georgia and Deal
Does Georgia state law allow for the current (Republican) governor to select Deal’s congressional replacement, who then would serve out the term?
If: Gov. Perdue is term limited and state law lets him pick Deal’s replacement.
Then: Pretty smart move on Deal’s/Perdue’s parts.
And: I’ll take back my earlier post ‘dissing’ Deal.
And the bad news is…?
Interesting! I was under the impression that mooslums didn’t smoke or drink. He is acting like an infidel! He’d better watch his back, bacause he has been letting a lot of jihadists into our country and he might be making them angry. I don’t think he would like them when they are angry!
About zzzzzzzzzzzzz…this is an interesting troll. He jumps on people’s backs and digs his talons deeply under the skin so he is extremely hard to shake off. The anal-retentive, obsessive/compulsive nature of his posts are rather disturbing. I was finally convinced of his problem when one of the posters very kindly expressed sympathy on zzzzzzzzzzzz’s mother’s death and asked how old she had been. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz’s response? Something like…well, I will answer that question when you answer my question to you back in post numberX. That did it for me. zzzzzzzzzzz EXPECTS his questions to be ANSWERED, whether you want to answer them or not. Somehow, I don’t think he quite “gets” the rules of commenting on blogs. Answering someone’s questions is OPTIONAL, not MANDATORY.
Now we can either ignore him, or request that MM ban him. I know that banning is not taken lightly by MM, so I guess ignoring is the best solution. Hard to do…but let’s try.
I wouldn’t ban him/her.
He/she supplies excellent buffoon relief; rather similar to that which had been provided by lgm(Sybil).
And, I am still not convinced that zzzzzzzzzzzzzz…is not yet one more manifestation/personality of lgm’s(Sybil’s).
He’s neither Moslem nor Christian. He’s too busy worshipping himself to adopt another religion.
Good point!!
The paint is dry now, so I’ll have to be here for the next one.
Zyzzyg’s ramblings don’t have the same swoop and poop brevity of lgm’s posts. Lgm ran out of arguments quickly and his posts were more like bumper sticker politics. If he ever changed his name, it would have been to COEXIST.
Doesn’t sound like lgm’s style. LGM used to base his arguments on liberal talking points. zzzzzzzzzz pretends to be more of a conservative. But I guess that could be a ploy. I think the best thing we could do would be to ignore him/her/it. That would drive it nuts. Oh, wait…
My main problem with zzzzzzzz is that he digs in and sucks a lot of oxygen out of the threads. Very counter productive, lots of negativity and little of interest to warrent reading his posts.
LGM is busy now, involving himself in the new “coffee party”-the left’s answer to “tea parties”.
happy, you’ve the story of my life!
Answering someone’s questions is OPTIONAL, not MANDATORY.
Hey Nanci, how about trying to put the notion of Democracy back into the Democratic Party,you hypocrtical hag
I’m kinda with Granite on the LGM-Zyg connection.
LGM’s forte, aside from his regurgitating Dem talking points, condensed into terse one liners, was his reliance on guided questioning as an attempt to create self-doubt in an opposing commenter.
Although their writing styles are nominally different – which is nothing unusual as LGM’s writing style changed on an almost daily basis – Zyg applies the same questioning strategy (often to the extreme) in a vain attempt to create self-doubt in an opponent about his or her own position or political beliefs, and to lead them into giving unwarranted credence to Zyg’s/the Left’s positions.
I might add that he/she (?both? of ?them?) also would post, and do/does post, silly, meaningless, cheerleader-like comments.
But, the ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ… personality is different, in that he/she leaves seemingly endless posts, in an I-can-never-hope-to-dazzle-them-with-brilliance-so-I’ll-baffle-them-with-bu!!$@*t style.
No, wiggy ziggy and lgm are not the same person. Their own distinct exploration into cluelessness, obtuseness and incoherence are in fact quite unique and laughable in distinctly different ways.
For example, lgm rarely thought before he posted. wiggy ziggy appears to think he is thinking when he posts but his reply often demonstrates that he neither thought before nor after the original post. This is a subtle but important distinction…
But he always counters the appearance of forethought with steadfast refusal to apply inference in defining Democrat motives, or intimation in seeing the broader implications and intents of their political acts.
You’re definitively stating that the bill would not pass if Reps spent “some” time trying to get ten (or more) Dems to break ranks????
Is this what your crystal ball told you?
Doesn’t your crystal ball indicate that Reps might not get Dems to break ranks even IF they spend time trying? If not, then your crystal ball is defective.
Speaking of “crystal balls,” Cork-meister, I can’t wait to see the unemployment numbers that are released on Friday. Still predicting 8% unemployment and 4% GDP growth?
Evidently your “crystal ball” works as well as wiggy ziggy’s…
RE: “LGM-Zyg connection”
Reading your (and others if I missed) comments, I feel like I’m witnessing the brainstorming that’s done on the show, Criminal Minds!
I like it!
GladzKravtz,
The “intelligence” demonstrated by lgm and wiggy ziggy certainly proves to be “criminal” time and time again…
Many contributors, on not just this blog, but many others are expecting there to be a defining moment when things go south quickly. I wish I could believe that those that govern have the wisdom not to take it to that level, but I don’t. The only salvation may be for the system to totally fail. We’ve seen civil unrest under conditions like the Watt’s riots and after some disasters. Those would be mild compared to the entire country erupting into disorder.
People want jobs, people want assurance that they can keep enough of their earnings to live, and the security of their rights under the Constitution being honored by those that make the laws and authorize the expenditure of money. We’re seeing a full frontal assault on everything that has made this country great. Yet, our elected elite are tone deaf to their constituents concerns.
A woman who called into Glenn Beck today said, “We OWE it to our military who are over in foreign countries fighting and dying for our country and our freedoms, to not let freedom and liberty slip away! They deserve to come back to a country that is still free. Otherwise, why are they fighting and giving their very lives???
24Klady,
I have said it many times and I’ll say it again. There has already been a revolution and the federal government has overthrown the Republic and trodden all over our liberties.
The real question is what is it going to take to make 30% to 40% of Americans to come to this point. We are certainly getting closer over the last several years and the TEA Party Movement is a sign that a large number of Americans are now fed up with government.
My predictions haven’t changed.
What were your predictions again?
happyscrapper
The caller into Glenn Beck is so right. I’m hearing more and more conservatives say that if we cannot support our troops and allow them to fight instead of carry out PR and wait for everyone in govn’t in those countries to stop bending over 5 times a day and stop picking their noses the job would get done. Never thought I’d say, hang it up and bring them home. We haven’t been serious about winning since 2006.
WarEagle82
That’s why I don’t want to see the RNC try to absorb the Tea Party Movement. It will exclude too many of those that are just as fed up as we are. SanFranNan’s hopeful move to connect to the movement is the best laugh I’ve had all week.
Correct.
Well, is it or isn’t it an up or down vote?
Promise?
Reconciliation is a tool of the Senate not of the House. It is up to Sen Reid to move forward using reconcilitation or not, once the bill gets to the upper chamber.
Oh, you do know that reconciliation is a tool of the Senate, and that Speaker Pelosi, who works in the House, has no say in the matter.
On when reconciliation is used, we disagree. I say it is used for legislation that has to do with funding. New or old.
[NOTE: I will look for a link.]
If I am wrong, I will say so. And, hope you will do the same.
By George, I think it finally has sunk in. Reconcilliation happens in the Senate. It is their tool. The Senate can either use it, or not.
There are three bills. The one the Senate wrote. The one the House wrote. And, the one that combined the two in a flawed conference committee.
Both Houses must vote on a bill that contains the same language. The only bill that can be signed right now is the Senate bill, but only if the House passes it untouched. Whatever, the House sends back to the Senate, the Senate can amend it. You have said so yourself. Then it would go back to the House, for a vote but no amending. And, if it passes the House it can then be signed into law.
The Senate has the privilege to amend anything returned to it from the House, and it can be done from the floor.
OK, there are House members that will not follow Speaker Pelosi. Her option would be to send the bill that has already passed the House to the Senate where they will get to amend it. And, then it is returned to the House to be voted on, where it cannot be amended. It can be discussed, but the only action for the House is an up or down vote.
All bills must contain the same language from both House before it can be signed.
Or, ten (or more) Dems to flip and reconciliation is a moot point.
You view this from a negative position. I prefer to veiw it from the positive.
Do you believe this bill, in any form is a bad thing? Do you really believe it? Then one way to defeat it is to convince a few Dems to vote against it. If you believe the people are behind you and the facts and substance are on your side, then it should be relatively easy to flip a few Dems.
You missed nothing. You are welcome to comment on my initial post. Agree or disagree with it. My only hope would be that you would explain why, in either case.
I totally agree. Bring them all home. They are just targets over there! We need to pull them from So. Korea, France, Germany, everywhere that a country has its own military. Let them take care of their own country. Iraq seems to be doing pretty well and should be able to muster their own military. If not, well, we have done what we can. We need out! As for Afghanistan, I am a bit torn on that place, due to the horrors of the Taliban. But the troops HAVE to be allowed to FIGHT, for Gods’ sake.
OH.MY.GOD! Don’t respond, folks….please!
Respond to what?
Whatever are you talking about?
I didn’t see anything….
Well, I would, but my sock drawer needs reorganization. I’m trying to decide between chronological, alphabetical, and shade.
“Wiggy ziggy” is French for “clueless waterfowl with poor personal hygiene…”
Somehow, that sounded racist. Is there segregation going on in your sock drawer?
They are separate, but equal.
I just re-read my comment and somehow that sounded “naughty” Not sure why, but it just did!
I wouldn’t ban anyone either, though I could live without the invectives, making fun of people and name calling. Yep, I do it too. But, it is part of the reality of blogs.
Nope. Your speculation is incorrect. I am but one person sharing my thoughts and opinions like everyone posting here.
BTW, how about commenting on my initial post (or not) but do not make me the topic of discussion. It upsets the other posters. Just asking.
Ummm, OK.
Though you are welcome to comment on my initial post.
Making me the topic of discussion upsets the other posters, and should be avoided. Just asking.
The cottons were okay with it, but the wools thought it was a double entendre.
I also expect full political, economic, and governmental collapse of America. We are not even 240 years old and it looks like this republic is over….
Ha!! My laugh of the day. You are too much!
Well thanks, buddy.
Dude, you kind of bring it on yourself.
Whoa there!! We are not done yet and as long as there are Patriots left, we will not let these a$$hats take our country. They don’t deserve it and they can’t have it!! We have only begun to fight!! (I think I heard that somewhere.)
Making me the topic of discussion upsets the other posters, and should be avoided.
Gee, I’m not upset, is anyone else?
Well, that speculation is incorrect.
OK. Your opinion about others does not concern me.
Your feelings are your own. The motives behind my questions are to gain a greater understanding and/or to have someone back up their unsubstantiated assertions.
If you won’t or somehow can’t address questions honestly and directly, then maybe yes, your position or political beliefs lack credence.
Any self doubt that you may have concerning your position or political beliefs are your own. My questions may serve to simply reveal that and that is why my questions are not addressed. It is far easier to avoid an issue than to admit that you are wrong.
Finally, you are welcome to provide a comment to my original post. Agree or disagree. Hopefully you will say why in either case. But, making me the topic of discussion upsets the other posters. Just asking.
My prediction? I predict that you will be demonstrated to be completely and utterly wrong. You are as clueless on economics as wiggy ziggy is on everything else but you are not nearly as amusing as wiggy ziggy…
You are making me the topic of the thread. This upsets the other posters and should be avoided.
I predict 10.9% unemployment and 2% GDP growth to be announced on Friday.
You know that I do not take anything you have to say seriously.
Besides, you making me the topic of this thread makes the other posters upset, and should be avoided.
Any posters on this thread upset? I wonder why zzzzzzzzzz needs to repeat (endlessly) how upset you all are. He is speaking for others. That is a no-no.
Uhhhh, OK.
But, if you should ever have a question just ask.
Why aren’t you ignoring me, yet?
I swear wiggy ziggy has a big “C” tattooed on his forehead…
I am very concerned that those of you who are ignoring me are doing so without stating so.
In the future, everyone who IS ignoring me should post a comment addressed to me clearly indicating that you are ignoring me at five minute intervals.
Those who are NOT ignoring me should feel free to not address comments to me…
I haven’t been ignoring you, but if I decide to, I’ll let you know.
WE82, did you ever write for Monty Python?!
I am not presently ignoring you, although I reserve the right to do so in the future. I have not responded to you recently, but please don’t construe that as ignoring you. I will notify you should that status ever change.
Oh, I am SO IGNORING YOU from now on and you can bet I am going to let you know every chance I get!
Und jetzt etwas ganz anders…
Monty Pythons fliegender Zirrrkus!
Well then, I guess I’ll just have to start making rambling posts that are just far enough off the mark to be wrong, then respond to every single person that corrects me telling them how correct I am and asking why they don’t answer MY questions. There. What do you think about that!
Umm. I mean what would you think about that if you weren’t ignoring me.
I CAN’T HEAR YOU. NANANANANANANANANANANANANANA!!!
And you do not see how this is akin to intellectual dishonesty? Oookay…
Of all the things I’ve been wrong about or unsure of in life, my political beliefs and/or convictions are not one of them. Aside: I’ve never voted for Democrat in my entire voting life – and I have not regretted it!
Re: Your claim to be a “literalist.”
FYI: Successful human interaction, learning and understanding are partly rooted in the ability to infer and read the intimations and implications of others; yet, you claim to eschew this basic form of communication. Why? Isn’t that called ostrich-styled avoidance?