Constitution Butchers: Stop Pelosi’s Slaughter House; Update: Dems don’t have the votes
Scroll for updates…3/15 House Dem-counter says he doesn’t have the votes yet…
Meet Constitution-butchers Nancy Pelosi and Louise Slaughter.
Cleaning House…by bloodying it:

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Via Doug Ross:
In the Slaughter Solution, the rule would declare that the House “deems” the Senate version of Obamacare to have been passed by the House. House members would still have to vote on whether to accept the rule, but they would then be able to say they only voted for a rule, not for the bill itself.
Thus, Slaughter is preparing a rule that would consider the Senate bill “passed” once the House approves a corrections bill that would make changes. Democrats would thereby avoid a direct vote on the health care bill while allowing it to become law!
Constitutional attorney Mark R. Levin asks, “They’re going to present a rule, issued by her committee as chairman, that says that the House already adopted the Senate bill when we know it didn’t?”
U.S Constitution, Article I, Section VII, Clause II.
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively…
According to Levin, James Madison himself gave special care and attention to this clause in the Constitution.
Levin: And do you want to know why? Because this clause goes to the heart of this Republic.
This clause goes to the heart of how our representative body, that is Congress, makes laws. And so I want you to [observe] how particular the Framers were… They have to pass a Bill to present it to the President…
This is one of the most exacting clauses in the Constitution.
And, to the best of my knowledge, which extends over three decades, no Congress has previously tried to institute policies without actual statutes.
Here we have the President of the United States and Congressional leaders actually talking about the possibility of a brazen and open violation of one of the most fundamental aspects of our Constitution and Republic! How we actually make laws!
Let me be as clear as I know how. If this is done, this will create the greatest Constitutional crisis since the Civil War. It would be 100 times worse than Watergate.
…It would be government by fiat… meaning there would be no law… the mere discussion by officials in this government is such a grotesque violation of the actual legislative function of Congress [that it] puts us… at the brink. At the brink.
This is why we conservatives revere the Constitution. This is why we stress the Constitution’s words have meaning and historical context and must be complied with. Because otherwise we have anarchy, which leads to tyranny.
This is a crucial lesson for those of you who… aren’t sure what your beliefs are, or if you have any beliefs. Or aren’t sure if you even care. We have an effort underway by the one of the most powerful chairmen in Congress, the woman who heads the Rules Committee, …openly discussing gutting Congress. Gutting Congress.
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And it indeed appears to be unprecedented. Mark Tapscott at the Examiner:
Members of the U.S. House of Representatives have never before been asked to pass legislation by “deeming” it approved under a House rule instead of following the process required by the U.S. Constitution in which they actually vote on the proposal itself, according to a senior aide to House Republicans.
The procedure – dubbed by critics as the “Slaughter Solution” – is the brain-child of House Rules Committee Chairman Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-NY, who, at the request of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-CA, is trying to fashion a rule that would allow the House to move toward passage of a health care reform bill without a recorded vote on the Senate version.
Like the Senate, which adopted its health care reform measure on Christmas Eve, the House passed its version last year. But there are major differences between the two measures, especially concerning federal funding of abortions. The Senate version includes billions of dollars to fund new health care clinics that would offer abortion services. The House bill was passed only after Rep. Bart Stupak’s amendment barring federal funding for the procedure was included.
Slaughter’s approach would bring to the House floor a reconcilliation bill to resolve differences between the House and Senate versions of health care reform with the rule deeming the House to have approved the Senate version. The GOP aide, who requested anonymity, said a search of the House archives failed to reveal any previous use of the Slaughter Solution.
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Reminder: March 16 in Washington DC – The People’s Surge against the Demcare cramdown.
Time: March 16, 2010 from 9am to 6pm
Location: Cannon House Office Building
Street: Independence Avenue SE and New Jersey SE
City/Town: Washington, DC
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Update: Obama pollster says shut up and take your medicine. You will like it.
Update: A massive rally to stop the Demcare cramdown in Minnesota turned out thousands, reports Ed Morrissey at Hot Air.
Update: 11:30pm Eastern. The 2,309-page Demcare reconciliation bill “shell” — with the student loan nationalization plan folded in — has just been posted online. See here.
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Contact Louise Slaughter:
Washington D.C. Office
2469 Rayburn HOB
Washington, D.C. 20515
Phone: (202) 225-3615
Fax: (202) 225-7822
Contact Pelosi:
Office of the Speaker
H-232, US Capitol
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-0100
Contact list – Blue Dog Democrats
TARGETS BY STATE
ALABAMA
Rep. Bobby Bright, Alabama 2nd
http://www.bright.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-2901, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-8913
Local Office Number: (334) 794-9680, Local Fax Number: (334) 671-1480
Chief of Staff: Jason Buckner email: jason.buckner@mail.house.gov
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition
ARIZONA
Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick, Arizona, 1st
http://kirkpatrick.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-2315, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-9739
Local Office Number: (928) 226-6914, Local Fax Number: (928) 226-2876
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Rep. Harry Mitchell, Arizona 5th
http://mitchell.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-2190
Local Office Number: (480) 946-2411
Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Arizona, 8th
http://giffords.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-2542, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-0378
Local Office Number: (520) 881-3588, Local Fax Number: (520) 322-9490
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
ARKANSAS
Rep. Marion Berry, Arkansas 1st
http://www.house.gov/berry/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-4076, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5602
Local Office Number: (870) 972-4600, Local Fax Number: (870) 972-4605
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
Rep. Mike Ross, Arkansas 4th
http://ross.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-3772, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1314
Local Office Number: (870) 881-0681, Local Fax Number: (870) 881-0683
Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
CALIFORNIA
Rep. Dennis Cardoza, California 18th
http://www.house.gov/cardoza/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-6131, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-0819
Local Office Number: (209) 383-4455, Local Fax Number: (209) 726-1065
Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
Rep. Jim Costa, California 20th
http://www.house.gov/costa/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-3341, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-9308
Local Office Number: (559) 495-1620, Local Fax Number: (559) 495-1027
Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
Rep. Laura Richardson, California, 37th
http://richardson.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-7924, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-7926
District Office Number: (202) 225-7924, District Fax Number: (202) 225-7926
Rep. Linda Sanchez, California, 39th
http://lindasanchez.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-6676
Local Office Number: (562) 860-5050
COLORADO
Rep. Markey, Colorado 4th
http://betsymarkey.house.gov/
DC Office Number: 202-225-4676, DC Fax Number: 202-225-5870
Local Office Number: 970-221-7110, Local Fax Number: 970-221-7240
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition
FLORIDA
Rep. Allen Boyd, Florida, 2nd
http://boyd.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-5235, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5615
Local Office Number: (850) 561-3979, Local Fax Number: (850) 681-2902
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
Rep. Ron Klein, Florida, 22nd
http://www.klein.house.gov/index.html
DC Office Number: (202) 225.3026, DC Fax Number: (202) 225.8398
Local Office Number: (561) 544-6910, Local Fax Number: (561) 544-2864
Rep. Suzanne Kosmas, Florida, 24th
http://www.kosmas.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-2706, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6299
Local Office Number: (407) 208-1106, Local Fax Number: (407) 208-1108
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
GEORGIA
Rep. Jim Marshall, Georgia 8th
http://jimmarshall.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-6531, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3013
Local Office Number: (478) 464-0255, Local Fax Number: (478) 464-0277
Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
Rep. John Barrow, Georgia 12th
http://www.barrow.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-2823, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3377
Local Office Number: (706) 722-4494, Local Fax Number: (706) 722-4496
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
IDAHO
Rep. Walt Minnick, Idaho 1st
http://minnick.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-6611, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3029
Local Office Number: (208) 888-3188, Local Fax Number: (208) 888-0894
Chief of Staff: Kare Haas email: kate.haas@mail.house.gov
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently No on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition
ILLINOIS
Rep. Daniel Lipinski, Illinois 3rd
http://www.lipinski.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-5701, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1012
Local Office Number: (312) 886-0481, Local Fax Number: (773) 767-9395
Rep. Melissa Bean, Illinois 8th
http://www.house.gov/bean/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-3711, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-7830
Local Office Number: (847) 517-2927, Local Fax Number: (847) 517-2931
Rep. Deborah “Debbie” Halvorson, Illinois, 11th
http://halvorson.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-3635, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3521
Local Office Number: (815) 726-4998, Local Fax Number: (815) 726-8024
INDIANA
Rep. Peter Visclosky, Indiana, 1st
http://www.house.gov/visclosky/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-2461, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2493
Local Office Number: (219) 795-1844, DC Fax Number: (219) 795-1850
Rep. Joe Donnelly, Indiana 2nd
http://donnelly.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-3915, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-6798
Local Office Number: (574) 288-2780, Local Fax Number: (574) 288-2825
Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
Rep. Brad Ellsworth, Indiana, 8th
http://www.ellsworth.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-4636, DC Office Fax: (202) 225-3284
Local Office Number: (812) 465-6484, Local Fax Number: (812) 422-4761
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
Rep. Baron Hill, Indiana 9th
http://baronhill.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-5315, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6866
Local Office Number: (812) 288-3999, Local Fax Number: (812) 288-3873
Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
KENTUCKY
Rep. Ben Chandler, Kentucky 6th
http://chandler.house.gov/contact/index.shtml
DC Office Number: (202) 225-4706, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2122
Local Office Number: (859) 219-1366, Local Fax Number: (859) 219-3437
Chief of Staff: Denis Fleming email: denis.fleming@mail.house.gov
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition
LOUSIANA
Rep. Charlie Melancon, Lousiana
http://www.melancon.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-4031, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-3944
Local Office Number: (985) 876-3033, Local Fax Number:
Chief of Staff: Joe Bonfiglio email: joe.bonfiglio@mail.house.gov
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently No on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition
MAINE
Rep. Michael Michaud, Maine 2nd
http://michaud.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-6306, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2943
Local Office Number: (207) 942-6935, Local Fax Number: (207) 942-5907
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
MARYLAND
Rep. Frank Kratovil, Maryland 1st
http://kratovil.house.gov
DC Office Number: 202-225-5311, DC Fax Number: 202-225-0254
Local Office Number: (410) 420-8822, Local Fax Number: (443) 262 – 9713
Chief of Staff: Tim McCann email: tim.mccann@mail.house.gov
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition
Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, Maryland, 2nd
http://dutch.house.gov/
DC Office Number: 202-225-3061, DC Fax Number: 202-225-3094
Local Office Number: 410-628-2701, Local Fax Number: 410-628-2708
MASSACHUSETTS
Rep. Ed Markey, Massachusetts, 7th
http://markey.house.gov/
DC Office Number: 202-225-2836
Local Office Number: 781-396-2900
Rep. Stephen Lynch, Massachusetts, 9th
http://www.house.gov/lynch/
DC Office Number: 202-225-8273, DC Fax Number: 202-225-3984
Local Office Number: 617-428-2000, Local Office Fax: 617-428-2011
MICHIGAN
Rep. Bart Stupak, Michigan 1st
http://www.house.gov/stupak/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-4735, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4744
Local Office Number: (906) 786-4504, Local Fax Number: (906) 786-4534
Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Rep. Mark Schauer Michigan 7th
http://schauer.house.gov
DC Office Number: (202) 225-6276, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-6281
Local Office Number: (517) 780-9075, Local Fax Number: (517) 780-9081
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided
Rep. Gary Peters, Michigan, 9th
http://peters.house.gov/index.html
DC Office Number: (202) 225-5802, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-2356
Local Office Number: (248) 273-4227, Local Fax Number: (248) 273-4704
MINNESOTA
Rep. Collin C. Peterson, Minnesota 7th
http://collinpeterson.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-2165, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1593
Local Office Number: (218) 847-5056
Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
MISSISSIPPI
Rep. Travis Childers, Mississippi 1st
http://childers.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-4306, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3549
Local Office Number: (662) 841-8808, Local Fax Number: (662) 841-8845
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
Rep. Gene Taylor, Mississippi 4th
http://www.house.gov/genetaylor/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-5772, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-7074
Local Office Number: (228) 864-7670, Local Fax Number: (228) 864-3099
Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
MISSOURI
Rep. Ike Skelton, Missouri 4th
http://www.house.gov/skelton/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-2876
Local Office Number: (816) 228-4242
Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
NEW JERSEY
Rep. John Adler, New Jersey 3rd
http://adler.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-4765, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-0778
Local Office Number: (732) 608-7235, Local Fax Number: (732) 608-7268
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote high priority
NEW MEXICO
Rep. Martin Heinrich, New Mexico 1st
http://heinrich.house.gov
DC Office Number: (202) 225-6316, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4975
Local Office Number: (505) 346-6781, Local Fax Number: (505) 346-6723
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided
Rep. Harry Teague, New Mexico 2nd
http://teague.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-2365, DC Fax Number:
Local Office Number: (575) 393-0510, Local Fax Number:
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
NEW YORK
Rep. Tim Bishop, New York 1st
http://timbishop.house.gov
DC Office Number: (202) 225-3826, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3143
Local Office Number: (631) 696-6500, Local Fax Number: (631) 696-4520
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided
Rep. Michael E. McMahon, New York 13th
http://mcmahon.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-3371, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-1272
Local Office Number: (718) 351-1062, Local Fax Number: (718) 980-0768
Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Rep. Scott Murphy, New York 20th
http://scottmurphy.house.gov/Contact/ContactForm.htm
DC Office Number: (202) 225-5614, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1168
Local Office Number: (518) 828-3109, Local Fax Number: (518) 828-3985
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition
Rep. Bill Owens, New York 23rd
https://owens.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-4611, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-0621
Local Office Number: (315) 782-3150, Local Fax Number: (315) 782-1291
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Rep. Michael Arcuri, New York 24th
http://arcuri.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-3665, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1891
Local Office Number: (315) 252-2777/2778, Local Fax Number: (315) 252-2779
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently No Vote on Health Care
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership
Rep. Daniel B. Maffei, New York, 25th
http://maffei.house.gov/
DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3701, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4042
Local Office Number: (315) 423-5657, Local Fax Number: (315) 423-5669
NEVADA
Rep. Dina Titus, Nevada 3rd
http://titus.house.gov
DC Office Number: (202) 225-3252, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2185
Local Office Number: (702) 387-4941, Local Fax Number: (702) 837-0728
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided
NEW HAMPSHIRE
Rep. Paul W. Hodes, New Hampshire, 2nd
http://hodes.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-5206, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2946
Local Office Phone: (603) 223-9814, Local Fax Number: (603) 223-9819
NORTH CAROLINA
Rep. Bob Etheridge, North Carolina, 2nd
http://etheridge.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-4531
Local Office Number: (919) 829-9122
Rep. Mike McIntyre, North Carolina 7th
http://www.house.gov/mcintyre
DC Office Number: (202) 225-2731, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5773
Local Office Number: (910) 323-0260, Local Fax Number: (910) 323-0069
Chief of Staff: Dean Mitchell email: dean.mitchell@mail.house.gov
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition
Rep. Larry Kissell, North Carolina 8th
http://kissell.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-3715, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4036
Local Office Number: (704) 786-1612, Local Fax Number: (704) 782-1004
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently No on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Rep. Heath Shuler, North Carolina 11th
http://shuler.house.gov/
DC Office Number: (202) 225-6401, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6422
Local Office Number: (828) 252-1651, Local Fax Number: (828) 252-8734
Chief of Staff: Hayden Rogers email: hayden.rogers@mail.house.gov
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition
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Let them go this way. There will be enough conservatives on the SCOTUS to rule this law null-and-void. Oh, wouldn’t that be a joy?
I think Obama would love to punt this to the SCOTUS. The bill’s unpopular, but Dems and the WH have come too far to back down. So enact it in a way that guarantees the SCOTUS will strike it down and voila! Dems claim credit for trying while getting to paint the SCOTUS as overreaching conservative zealots who subvert the will of the people and trounce all over separation of powers. Dems would claim to be the victims of a constitutional crisis that they themselves actually created.
And don’t forget they still have a lot of people convinced that the 2000 election was stolen by the SCOTUS. We’d hear about this for at least the 2010 and 2012 elections, maybe further.
Not “evidence” in the legal sense, FDCup.
We’re not in court, counsellor. We’re thus free to create our own standards of evidence and “proof”, if you will.
BTW: if the s
dang! message got sent by mistake.
but never mind.
Uh, no it wouldn’t. Unless he formally
gave up his US citizenship, he is a US citizen. Whether he “cheated” by claiming Indonesian citizenship (and thus hiding his US citizenship to game the system) is an entirely different issue, and I agree that IF HE DID, it would be politically disastrous for him. But unless anyone has evidence of that it’s the sheerest speculation. And as I keep saying, with the courts and statutes on my side, “dual citizenship” is no bar to being “natural-born”, as long as he was born in the US. .
But tell you what: if anyone comes up with a form showing he claimd to be Indonesian to gain some advantage, I will be chortling with glee!!!
Yup, everybody’s welcome to have their own opinions even though ones perception do not change reality one way or another.
But the fish we’re frying here is the anti-Constitutional Slaughter Final Solution. I think Redstate had a good post on what to expect if it is used:
If you try the Slaughter Rule
From the Constitution:
Article 1, Section 7 -
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law,be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively.
On the Sunday open thread, at 4:36 pm, groundhunter said:
Democrats…the Slaughter Party
Wow.
I provide no less than four US Supreme Court decisions, including one backing President Madison’s policy and position on the matter, and people still refuse to see this.
Wake up everybody – no more sleepin’ in bed …
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
I checked again.
You cited Wong Kim Ark, which took the position OPPOSITE yours, and cited the 14th Amendment, which does NOT define natural born citizen.
So the courts and statute are not on your side. Not even Wong Kim Ark.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Why does the uncertainty level over Obama’s Constitutional eligibility to be president not reach the level of an independent investigation being demanded? Even the discussions on this website reveal that it is anything but clear what the requirements even are, but there are requirements. Ohama/Barry’s history, (that we know of), leaves many unanswered questions…as does his refusal to release anything that would clear up the uncertainty.
I find it infuriating that the media treats Obama’s ineligiblity as either a “done deal” or something that does not matter. They mock and laugh at the people who demand answers, while carefully never having any real discussion of the issue. OK, Lou Dobbs very carefully approached the subject……and got fired for doing so.
Asking Obama to show his real, long-form birth certificate and the long list of other hidden records, most of which also pertain in one way or the other to his citizenship, is something all Americans should be doing.
RWR, I believe the Sunday open thread would be the place to carry on with all the pro-con birther dead-horse beating.
But even then I suspect folks mighta had their fill for now and are likely much more focused on the gov’t healthcare takeover attempt.
BOB,
The current resident (or Pres__ent) has so successfully employed Alinsky tactics as regards his eligibilty problems (and he HAS them, in spades) to even get his opponents to disparage any doubters. It’s been his one remarkable achievement from my perspective.
So we can finally use the impeach word for Obama if he fails to uphold the constitution by signing a blatantly unconstitutional law? Or is there any recourse to the Supreme Court from the majority of us filing a class action? I know it usually takes filings from individuals once harm has been demonstrated by we are not versed in this process…can any legal eagles explain?
You got that 100% correct, thanks for your reply and noticing my frustration.
The opposition ignores the one thing that could stop Obama and his enablers in their tracks and set the progressive movement back at least 50 years.
Instead they are calling their deaf and dumb, bought and paid for Congressional “representatives” and begging them to vote their way…and being ignorded.
Alinsky is working better than the marxist/communist in the White House ever dreamed it would.
Deedledee, my thinking is if the maneuver is used that it, in and of itself, could be the basis of a Supreme Court challenge made post haste by lawmakers themselves. The persons it immediately impacted adversely, in violating the Constitution, would be members of Congress themselves.
At least, that’s my figurin’. We’ll need to hear from not just generic legal eagles but ones who specialize in the area of Constitutional law.
Now is the time to apply even more pressure…
MM has a comment account, thanks.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Graham blasts Axelrod: ‘The American People Are Tired of this CRAP’
YEP LINDSEY GRAHAM.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/86639-graham-blasts-axelrod-tired-of-this-crap
As of a couple minutes ago, Joe Donnelly – (D)IN is a NO. They said, “As it stands now, the vote would be NO.”
Peter Visclosky – (D)IN – the “intern” wouldn’t say.
Brad Ellsworth – (D)IN 8th – Doesn’t yet know per his DC office. He’s reading the bill.
Something interesting about his site… it shows what the National Debt is as of today and what “Your Share of the Debt” is. Concerned about the debt, and isn’t he also the one running for Bayh’s seat?????
Obama is giving another “Final” health care speach in Ohio in just a few minutes.
Geez. The Obamacare bill has more comebacks than Sinatra, and Obama has more finale tours for this thing than Barbra Streisand had when she retired.
Here comes the daily Obama healthcare cheerleading parade. Today it’s Ohio, again.
“The time for talk is over…. so I’m here to talk more about healthcare.” ~ Barry Obama
Obama on “the Final March for Reform”
Note the purple tie (shout-out to SEIU).
A commenter on my blog noted:
Apparently Goober Grahamnesty isn’t as stupid as he looks. If politicians don’t know it by now the America people are angry and aren’t going to take it anymore. Goober is working toward his re=election.
I’ve sent emails and called people on the list today. I urge each of you to do the same. We cannot accept this tyranny and have to work to stop it. Surprisingly I have gotten through to most of the people I’ve called and some have vowed that the rep is going to vote no. I don’t believe all of them but we’ll see.
Ladies and gentlemen; I just want to say I find it offensive that my gubmint says I must invest my money into people who are too lazy to invest their own sweat in themselves.Don’t you?
Go figure.
They’re not EVER going to have the votes.
At least not legitimately.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Believe this,and I have some beautiful oceanfront property in Colorado to sell you.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
This game of chicken by Obama and his fellow socialist friends against the American people and our Constitution is getting very close to the point of no return, and a catastrophic result.
For what? We know this bill will only cause a much worse health care system and will help destroy free enterprise in America.
This is madness on the part of the Democrats and people should not forget this betrayal to our freedom.
“All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution
are null and void”
(Marbury vs. Madison. 5 US (2 Cranch) 137,174,176, (1803)
Regular people want to know why a guy spends millions of dollars on a legal defense designed to keep anyone from seeing any evidence. And yes, I do speculate now and again – I’m a curious person…
Obama went to Hawai’i the same week Rahm took a Kenyan vacation, right before the election, IIRC.
Any proof Obama was born in Kenya has been destroyed.
It may be true, but it is a dead end.
Now, I’d love to see his Occidental College files, to see if he was claiming Indonesian citizenship for financial aid purposes…
Watch out for the rope-a-dope!
Going to be hard to get proof, but all the evidence hasn’t been eliminated…yet.
The question I keep asking is how in the heck can there not be way more than enough doubts about Obama’s eligibility to demand an independent investigation? Absolutely nothing about his past is clear-cut, and even Conservatives keep bashing other Conservatives for demanding proof of Obama’s eligibility……as I ask before, does Alinsky work so well that Obama’s opposition turns on themselves about an issue that all Americans should be demanding a clear answer on?
It’s only the U.S.Constitution.
Kenyan born?
http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/issueBornInKenya.htm
I have seen many other reference from various news sources fromm 2004 to 2008 referring to Obama as, “Kenyan born”.
Why does no one care…instead they fight a losing battle over health care and various other socialist programs, when the key to stopping the entire takeover is at their disposal?
Let’s not get hung up on what the Slaughter Rule is supporting, but look at the rule itself.
Let’s call it what it is: Voting for the Slaughter Rule is
TREASON.
It is an in-your-face attempt to set aside the Constitution that House members have all sworn to uphold and rule this country by fiat.
IT IS TREASON.
None Dare Call It Treason
I am going to reserve a place on the scaffold for Hugh Hewitt if he opens his show again tonight by assuring us that the Dems will pass this thing. I despise “conservatives” who are over-eager to show how smart they are by being out front with their dire predictions. I recommend he read Henry V and buck up.
The Crisis (2010)
March 15, 2010
THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.
Britainthe Democrat Party, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but “to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER” and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.Bob #285
I’ve only commented a couple of times about the birther issue. These are my concerns: extraordinary measures have been taken to keep hidden that which should be public record of anyone running for office on a national level. By keeping documents hidden and/or destroyed it places our CIC in the horrendous position of being blackmailed, which in turn is a security issue for the country. If anyone can obtain copies of those documents it would be China, Russia, and Iran. I don’t know if the rumors are true but I know I’m not safe because he fails to produce them. This will also be a huge issue in 2012. People are not going to let it go. So, he’ll either not run due to ‘illness’ or there won’t be a need for an election.
In fairness to Hewitt (re: #289), judging from tonight, he seems to have understood the necessity to put political predictions on the back burner and put his shoulder fully into the health-care fight.
Thanks for the reply….and I think some of the blackmailing may be going on now.
Another hope is that about eight states…so far, have introduced bills saying any candidate on their ballot must provide proof they are eligible for the position they are running for.
If just one state passes such a bill, Obama won’t run in 2012…not because he couldn’t possibly win without that one state, but because of the national discussion that would finally actually happen.
Glad you and a few others have replied to my post. I begin to think it was “ignore the crazy guy who wants to see proof of Obama’s eligibilty” time.
Even MM thinks Obama is A-OK on this issue…..which to me is very strange.
Bob…I am a proud birther, but haven’t commented on your posts because I have posted numerous other comments in the past. I don’t need to repeat myself. But yes, there are too many unanswered questions and something definitely doesn’t pass the smell test! Some day we WILL find out.
Oh, and I’m not sure that MM is completely A-O.K. on the issue, but rather is picking her battles. She doesn’t have time to mess with this issue and get bogged down in all the ridicule that would be heaped on her from the left AND the right! Since others are investigating this, MM needs to focus on things she can actually do something about. At least, that is my guess.
I admire MM and she has incredible courage, but if you are correct obout staying away from this issue because of the possible ridicule, that is exactly how this issue was played by the Obamabots to work out..via Alinsky, and it worked.
Well, as I said, she has other, bigger issues to deal with. And I’m not totally sure she is on board with it. I am only guessing. Also, I didn’t say she was staying away from the issue because she was afraid of ridicule! She just doesn’t want to get sidetracked by it. And, she knows others are looking into it, so she concentrates on the Culture of Corruption. There is only so much one person can do!
It’s a fact Michelle Malkin is one busy lady.
I’d say so. The stuff MM focuses on will either help you or hurt you directly now and in the future. The fact that BO is in the whitehouse is now a redundancy. This does not mean that if new info surfaces (that is more compelling and decisive to skeptics) with respect to the birth certificate controversy that it won’t get covered.
Remember the media orgy over whether or not George Bush may have missed a couple of National Guard drills, or the huge team of lawyers sent to Wasilla, Alaska looking for anything on Sarah Palin?
We can’t get anybody in the media to talk about an issue directly involving the U.S. Constitution, that is way above the threshold for needing an investigiation.
Isn’t it weird, to say the least?
Contacted the only Rep in my state worth talking to, who happens to be a Dem. Hopefully he will stick to his guns and oppose this bill as he has to date.
Ten people were arrested at a sit-in at Pelosi’s office in the Cannon Building, where they were crumpling up the health-care bill one page at a time.
Don’t believe that. Only one state required a sworn statement that the candidate was constitutionally eligible, and Pelosi just signed the document anyway – that state was none other than HAWAII.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Love ya, Haps, but I don’t believe that for a minute. Nor do I believe the same about our buddy Glenn Beck.
These people have accepted his unproven birth in Hawaii as scripture without question. It’s annoying, but it’s simple fact. They say we’ve seen the birth certificate, but refuse to acknowledge that the COLB is not what the courts have ordered.
Looks like we’re going this one alone. So be it.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
It’s not weird.
It’s par for the course.
These people would scrap the Constitution and replace it with something far less appropriate to a free people if they could.
Luckily, America hasn’t degenerated to that point. Thank God for that.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Samuel Adams concerning man’s socialistic pursuit of utopianism:
The same quote with modern interpretation:
See:
William V. Wells, The Life and Public Services of Samuel Adams,
3 vols. [Boston: Little, Brown, and Company, 1865], 1:154.
In the interest of full disclosure, the quote you gave references the constitution under which the colonies were functioning at the time (1768), which was NOT the US Constitution that is the supreme law of the land here today.
However, the principle(s) referenced are relevant in that they were incorporated into our own Constitution, so there’s no inconsistency in your bringing it up.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Thanks, RWR.
Last Friday, while speaking from the House Floor on C-SPAN, Congresswoman Virginia Foxx (one of four Republicans vs. nine Democrats on the Rules Committee) said that she had requested that the Rules Committee proceedings be televised on C-SPAN.
The Democratic leadership refused.
This should be our next focal point.
Challenge the self-proclaimed “Open, transparent, and accountable” Democrats to actually be “Open, transparent, and accountable” and let the people see what transpires in the Rules Committee.
If any state passes the legislation being considered now to require proof of eligibility, I don’t think a Pelosi signed document saying “Yep, He’s OK” is the proof they will be asking for.
If the legislation passes in even one state it will create a big probem for the usurper.
I missed the link. Can you give it again?
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
I remember seeing the information months ago..here are a couple of archives:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=122432
and
here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2462591/posts
or you can Google; States take on Obama eligibility….or something like that.