Constitution Butchers: Stop Pelosi’s Slaughter House; Update: Dems don’t have the votes

By Michelle Malkin  •  March 13, 2010 10:11 AM

Scroll for updates…3/15 House Dem-counter says he doesn’t have the votes yet

Meet Constitution-butchers Nancy Pelosi and Louise Slaughter.

Cleaning House…by bloodying it:


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Via Doug Ross:

In the Slaughter Solution, the rule would declare that the House “deems” the Senate version of Obamacare to have been passed by the House. House members would still have to vote on whether to accept the rule, but they would then be able to say they only voted for a rule, not for the bill itself.

Thus, Slaughter is preparing a rule that would consider the Senate bill “passed” once the House approves a corrections bill that would make changes. Democrats would thereby avoid a direct vote on the health care bill while allowing it to become law!

Constitutional attorney Mark R. Levin asks, “They’re going to present a rule, issued by her committee as chairman, that says that the House already adopted the Senate bill when we know it didn’t?”

U.S Constitution, Article I, Section VII, Clause II.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively…

According to Levin, James Madison himself gave special care and attention to this clause in the Constitution.

Levin: And do you want to know why? Because this clause goes to the heart of this Republic.

This clause goes to the heart of how our representative body, that is Congress, makes laws. And so I want you to [observe] how particular the Framers were… They have to pass a Bill to present it to the President…

This is one of the most exacting clauses in the Constitution.

And, to the best of my knowledge, which extends over three decades, no Congress has previously tried to institute policies without actual statutes.

Here we have the President of the United States and Congressional leaders actually talking about the possibility of a brazen and open violation of one of the most fundamental aspects of our Constitution and Republic! How we actually make laws!

Let me be as clear as I know how. If this is done, this will create the greatest Constitutional crisis since the Civil War. It would be 100 times worse than Watergate.

…It would be government by fiat… meaning there would be no law… the mere discussion by officials in this government is such a grotesque violation of the actual legislative function of Congress [that it] puts us… at the brink. At the brink.

This is why we conservatives revere the Constitution. This is why we stress the Constitution’s words have meaning and historical context and must be complied with. Because otherwise we have anarchy, which leads to tyranny.

This is a crucial lesson for those of you who… aren’t sure what your beliefs are, or if you have any beliefs. Or aren’t sure if you even care. We have an effort underway by the one of the most powerful chairmen in Congress, the woman who heads the Rules Committee, …openly discussing gutting Congress. Gutting Congress.

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And it indeed appears to be unprecedented. Mark Tapscott at the Examiner:

Members of the U.S. House of Representatives have never before been asked to pass legislation by “deeming” it approved under a House rule instead of following the process required by the U.S. Constitution in which they actually vote on the proposal itself, according to a senior aide to House Republicans.

The procedure – dubbed by critics as the “Slaughter Solution” – is the brain-child of House Rules Committee Chairman Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-NY, who, at the request of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-CA, is trying to fashion a rule that would allow the House to move toward passage of a health care reform bill without a recorded vote on the Senate version.

Like the Senate, which adopted its health care reform measure on Christmas Eve, the House passed its version last year. But there are major differences between the two measures, especially concerning federal funding of abortions. The Senate version includes billions of dollars to fund new health care clinics that would offer abortion services. The House bill was passed only after Rep. Bart Stupak’s amendment barring federal funding for the procedure was included.

Slaughter’s approach would bring to the House floor a reconcilliation bill to resolve differences between the House and Senate versions of health care reform with the rule deeming the House to have approved the Senate version. The GOP aide, who requested anonymity, said a search of the House archives failed to reveal any previous use of the Slaughter Solution.

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Reminder: March 16 in Washington DC – The People’s Surge against the Demcare cramdown.

Time: March 16, 2010 from 9am to 6pm
Location: Cannon House Office Building
Street: Independence Avenue SE and New Jersey SE
City/Town: Washington, DC

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Update: Obama pollster says shut up and take your medicine. You will like it.

Update: A massive rally to stop the Demcare cramdown in Minnesota turned out thousands, reports Ed Morrissey at Hot Air.

Update: 11:30pm Eastern. The 2,309-page Demcare reconciliation bill “shell” — with the student loan nationalization plan folded in — has just been posted online. See here.

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Contact Louise Slaughter:

Washington D.C. Office
2469 Rayburn HOB
Washington, D.C. 20515
Phone: (202) 225-3615
Fax: (202) 225-7822

Contact Pelosi:

Office of the Speaker
H-232, US Capitol
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-0100

Contact list – Blue Dog Democrats

Via Tea Party Patriots:

TARGETS BY STATE

ALABAMA

Rep. Bobby Bright, Alabama 2nd

http://www.bright.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-2901, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-8913
Local Office Number: (334) 794-9680, Local Fax Number: (334) 671-1480
Chief of Staff: Jason Buckner email: jason.buckner@mail.house.gov
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition

ARIZONA

Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick, Arizona, 1st

http://kirkpatrick.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-2315, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-9739
Local Office Number: (928) 226-6914, Local Fax Number: (928) 226-2876
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote

Rep. Harry Mitchell, Arizona 5th

http://mitchell.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-2190
Local Office Number: (480) 946-2411
Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Arizona, 8th

http://giffords.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-2542, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-0378
Local Office Number: (520) 881-3588, Local Fax Number: (520) 322-9490
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

ARKANSAS

Rep. Marion Berry, Arkansas 1st

http://www.house.gov/berry/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-4076, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5602
Local Office Number: (870) 972-4600, Local Fax Number: (870) 972-4605
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

Rep. Mike Ross, Arkansas 4th

http://ross.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-3772, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1314
Local Office Number: (870) 881-0681, Local Fax Number: (870) 881-0683
Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

CALIFORNIA

Rep. Dennis Cardoza, California 18th

http://www.house.gov/cardoza/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-6131, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-0819
Local Office Number: (209) 383-4455, Local Fax Number: (209) 726-1065
Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

Rep. Jim Costa, California 20th

http://www.house.gov/costa/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-3341, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-9308
Local Office Number: (559) 495-1620, Local Fax Number: (559) 495-1027
Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

Rep. Laura Richardson, California, 37th

http://richardson.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-7924, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-7926
District Office Number: (202) 225-7924, District Fax Number: (202) 225-7926

Rep. Linda Sanchez, California, 39th

http://lindasanchez.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-6676
Local Office Number: (562) 860-5050

COLORADO

Rep. Markey, Colorado 4th

http://betsymarkey.house.gov/

DC Office Number: 202-225-4676, DC Fax Number: 202-225-5870
Local Office Number: 970-221-7110, Local Fax Number: 970-221-7240
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition

FLORIDA

Rep. Allen Boyd, Florida, 2nd

http://boyd.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-5235, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5615
Local Office Number: (850) 561-3979, Local Fax Number: (850) 681-2902
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

Rep. Ron Klein, Florida, 22nd

http://www.klein.house.gov/index.html

DC Office Number: (202) 225.3026, DC Fax Number: (202) 225.8398
Local Office Number: (561) 544-6910, Local Fax Number: (561) 544-2864

Rep. Suzanne Kosmas, Florida, 24th

http://www.kosmas.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-2706, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6299
Local Office Number: (407) 208-1106, Local Fax Number: (407) 208-1108
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote

GEORGIA

Rep. Jim Marshall, Georgia 8th

http://jimmarshall.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-6531, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3013
Local Office Number: (478) 464-0255, Local Fax Number: (478) 464-0277
Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

Rep. John Barrow, Georgia 12th

http://www.barrow.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-2823, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3377
Local Office Number: (706) 722-4494, Local Fax Number: (706) 722-4496
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

IDAHO

Rep. Walt Minnick, Idaho 1st

http://minnick.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-6611, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3029
Local Office Number: (208) 888-3188, Local Fax Number: (208) 888-0894
Chief of Staff: Kare Haas email: kate.haas@mail.house.gov
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently No on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition

ILLINOIS

Rep. Daniel Lipinski, Illinois 3rd

http://www.lipinski.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-5701, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1012
Local Office Number: (312) 886-0481, Local Fax Number: (773) 767-9395

Rep. Melissa Bean, Illinois 8th

http://www.house.gov/bean/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-3711, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-7830
Local Office Number: (847) 517-2927, Local Fax Number: (847) 517-2931

Rep. Deborah “Debbie” Halvorson, Illinois, 11th

http://halvorson.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-3635, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3521
Local Office Number: (815) 726-4998, Local Fax Number: (815) 726-8024

INDIANA

Rep. Peter Visclosky, Indiana, 1st

http://www.house.gov/visclosky/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-2461, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2493
Local Office Number: (219) 795-1844, DC Fax Number: (219) 795-1850

Rep. Joe Donnelly, Indiana 2nd

http://donnelly.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-3915, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-6798
Local Office Number: (574) 288-2780, Local Fax Number: (574) 288-2825
Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

Rep. Brad Ellsworth, Indiana, 8th

http://www.ellsworth.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-4636, DC Office Fax: (202) 225-3284
Local Office Number: (812) 465-6484, Local Fax Number: (812) 422-4761
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

Rep. Baron Hill, Indiana 9th

http://baronhill.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-5315, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6866
Local Office Number: (812) 288-3999, Local Fax Number: (812) 288-3873
Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

KENTUCKY

Rep. Ben Chandler, Kentucky 6th

http://chandler.house.gov/contact/index.shtml

DC Office Number: (202) 225-4706, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2122
Local Office Number: (859) 219-1366, Local Fax Number: (859) 219-3437
Chief of Staff: Denis Fleming email: denis.fleming@mail.house.gov
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition

LOUSIANA

Rep. Charlie Melancon, Lousiana

http://www.melancon.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-4031, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-3944
Local Office Number: (985) 876-3033, Local Fax Number:
Chief of Staff: Joe Bonfiglio email: joe.bonfiglio@mail.house.gov
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently No on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition

MAINE

Rep. Michael Michaud, Maine 2nd

http://michaud.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-6306, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2943
Local Office Number: (207) 942-6935, Local Fax Number: (207) 942-5907
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

MARYLAND

Rep. Frank Kratovil, Maryland 1st

http://kratovil.house.gov

DC Office Number: 202-225-5311, DC Fax Number: 202-225-0254
Local Office Number: (410) 420-8822, Local Fax Number: (443) 262 – 9713
Chief of Staff: Tim McCann email: tim.mccann@mail.house.gov
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition

Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, Maryland, 2nd

http://dutch.house.gov/

DC Office Number: 202-225-3061, DC Fax Number: 202-225-3094
Local Office Number: 410-628-2701, Local Fax Number: 410-628-2708

MASSACHUSETTS

Rep. Ed Markey, Massachusetts, 7th

http://markey.house.gov/

DC Office Number: 202-225-2836
Local Office Number: 781-396-2900

Rep. Stephen Lynch, Massachusetts, 9th

http://www.house.gov/lynch/

DC Office Number: 202-225-8273, DC Fax Number: 202-225-3984
Local Office Number: 617-428-2000, Local Office Fax: 617-428-2011

MICHIGAN

Rep. Bart Stupak, Michigan 1st

http://www.house.gov/stupak/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-4735, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4744
Local Office Number: (906) 786-4504, Local Fax Number: (906) 786-4534
Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote

Rep. Mark Schauer Michigan 7th

http://schauer.house.gov

DC Office Number: (202) 225-6276, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-6281
Local Office Number: (517) 780-9075, Local Fax Number: (517) 780-9081
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided

Rep. Gary Peters, Michigan, 9th

http://peters.house.gov/index.html

DC Office Number: (202) 225-5802, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-2356
Local Office Number: (248) 273-4227, Local Fax Number: (248) 273-4704

MINNESOTA

Rep. Collin C. Peterson, Minnesota 7th

http://collinpeterson.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-2165, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1593
Local Office Number: (218) 847-5056
Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

MISSISSIPPI

Rep. Travis Childers, Mississippi 1st

http://childers.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-4306, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3549
Local Office Number: (662) 841-8808, Local Fax Number: (662) 841-8845
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

Rep. Gene Taylor, Mississippi 4th

http://www.house.gov/genetaylor/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-5772, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-7074
Local Office Number: (228) 864-7670, Local Fax Number: (228) 864-3099
Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

MISSOURI

Rep. Ike Skelton, Missouri 4th

http://www.house.gov/skelton/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-2876
Local Office Number: (816) 228-4242
Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote

NEW JERSEY

Rep. John Adler, New Jersey 3rd

http://adler.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-4765, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-0778
Local Office Number: (732) 608-7235, Local Fax Number: (732) 608-7268
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote high priority

NEW MEXICO

Rep. Martin Heinrich, New Mexico 1st

http://heinrich.house.gov

DC Office Number: (202) 225-6316, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4975
Local Office Number: (505) 346-6781, Local Fax Number: (505) 346-6723
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided

Rep. Harry Teague, New Mexico 2nd

http://teague.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-2365, DC Fax Number:
Local Office Number: (575) 393-0510, Local Fax Number:
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote

NEW YORK

Rep. Tim Bishop, New York 1st

http://timbishop.house.gov

DC Office Number: (202) 225-3826, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3143
Local Office Number: (631) 696-6500, Local Fax Number: (631) 696-4520
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided

Rep. Michael E. McMahon, New York 13th

http://mcmahon.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-3371, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-1272
Local Office Number: (718) 351-1062, Local Fax Number: (718) 980-0768
Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote

Rep. Scott Murphy, New York 20th

http://scottmurphy.house.gov/Contact/ContactForm.htm

DC Office Number: (202) 225-5614, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1168
Local Office Number: (518) 828-3109, Local Fax Number: (518) 828-3985
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition

Rep. Bill Owens, New York 23rd

https://owens.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-4611, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-0621
Local Office Number: (315) 782-3150, Local Fax Number: (315) 782-1291
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote

Rep. Michael Arcuri, New York 24th

http://arcuri.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-3665, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1891
Local Office Number: (315) 252-2777/2778, Local Fax Number: (315) 252-2779
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently No Vote on Health Care
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership

Rep. Daniel B. Maffei, New York, 25th

http://maffei.house.gov/

DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3701, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4042
Local Office Number: (315) 423-5657, Local Fax Number: (315) 423-5669

NEVADA

Rep. Dina Titus, Nevada 3rd

http://titus.house.gov

DC Office Number: (202) 225-3252, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2185
Local Office Number: (702) 387-4941, Local Fax Number: (702) 837-0728
Voted Yes on Health Care
Currently Undecided

NEW HAMPSHIRE

Rep. Paul W. Hodes, New Hampshire, 2nd

http://hodes.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-5206, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2946
Local Office Phone: (603) 223-9814, Local Fax Number: (603) 223-9819

NORTH CAROLINA

Rep. Bob Etheridge, North Carolina, 2nd

http://etheridge.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-4531
Local Office Number: (919) 829-9122

Rep. Mike McIntyre, North Carolina 7th

http://www.house.gov/mcintyre

DC Office Number: (202) 225-2731, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5773
Local Office Number: (910) 323-0260, Local Fax Number: (910) 323-0069
Chief of Staff: Dean Mitchell email: dean.mitchell@mail.house.gov
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition

Rep. Larry Kissell, North Carolina 8th

http://kissell.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-3715, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4036
Local Office Number: (704) 786-1612, Local Fax Number: (704) 782-1004
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently No on Next Health Care Takeover Vote

Rep. Heath Shuler, North Carolina 11th

http://shuler.house.gov/

DC Office Number: (202) 225-6401, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6422
Local Office Number: (828) 252-1651, Local Fax Number: (828) 252-8734
Chief of Staff: Hayden Rogers email: hayden.rogers@mail.house.gov
Voted Yes on Stupak
Voted No on Health Care
Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote
Listed on Blue Dog Coalition

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  1. #301
    On March 15th, 2010 at 11:23 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    Contacted the only Rep in my state worth talking to, who happens to be a Dem. Hopefully he will stick to his guns and oppose this bill as he has to date.

  2. #302
    On March 15th, 2010 at 11:41 pm, jrgdds said:
  3. #303
    On March 16th, 2010 at 12:13 am, rightwingrocker said:

    If just one state passes such a bill, Obama won’t run in 2012…not because he couldn’t possibly win without that one state, but because of the national discussion that would finally actually happen.

    Don’t believe that. Only one state required a sworn statement that the candidate was constitutionally eligible, and Pelosi just signed the document anyway – that state was none other than HAWAII.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  4. #304
    On March 16th, 2010 at 12:17 am, rightwingrocker said:

    At least, that is my guess.

    Love ya, Haps, but I don’t believe that for a minute. Nor do I believe the same about our buddy Glenn Beck.

    These people have accepted his unproven birth in Hawaii as scripture without question. It’s annoying, but it’s simple fact. They say we’ve seen the birth certificate, but refuse to acknowledge that the COLB is not what the courts have ordered.

    Looks like we’re going this one alone. So be it.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  5. #305
    On March 16th, 2010 at 12:19 am, rightwingrocker said:

    We can’t get anybody in the media to talk about an issue directly involving the U.S. Constitution, that is way above the threshold for needing an investigation.

    Isn’t it weird, to say the least?

    It’s not weird.

    It’s par for the course.

    These people would scrap the Constitution and replace it with something far less appropriate to a free people if they could.

    Luckily, America hasn’t degenerated to that point. Thank God for that.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  6. #306
    On March 16th, 2010 at 12:42 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Samuel Adams concerning man’s socialistic pursuit of utopianism:

    “The Utopian schemes of levelling, and a community of goods, are as visionary and impracticable, as those which vest all property in the Crown, are arbitrary, despotic, and in our government unconstitutional. Now what property can the colonists be conceived to have, if their money may be granted away by others, without their consent?”

    The same quote with modern interpretation:

    “The Utopian schemes of leveling (re-distribution of the wealth) and a community of goods (government controlled/central ownership of the means of production and distribution), are as visionary and impractical as those which vest all property in the Crown. [These ideas] are arbitrary (choices and actions which are done not by means of any underlying principle or logic), despotic (ruling with absolute political power), and, in our government, unconstitutional.”

    See:
    William V. Wells, The Life and Public Services of Samuel Adams,
    3 vols. [Boston: Little, Brown, and Company, 1865], 1:154.

  7. #307
    On March 16th, 2010 at 3:25 am, rightwingrocker said:

    ITookTheRedPill #306

    In the interest of full disclosure, the quote you gave references the constitution under which the colonies were functioning at the time (1768), which was NOT the US Constitution that is the supreme law of the land here today.

    However, the principle(s) referenced are relevant in that they were incorporated into our own Constitution, so there’s no inconsistency in your bringing it up.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  8. #308
    On March 16th, 2010 at 7:56 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Thanks, RWR.

  9. #309
    On March 16th, 2010 at 8:02 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Last Friday, while speaking from the House Floor on C-SPAN, Congresswoman Virginia Foxx (one of four Republicans vs. nine Democrats on the Rules Committee) said that she had requested that the Rules Committee proceedings be televised on C-SPAN.

    The Democratic leadership refused.

    This should be our next focal point.

    Challenge the self-proclaimed “Open, transparent, and accountable” Democrats to actually be “Open, transparent, and accountable” and let the people see what transpires in the Rules Committee.

  10. #310
    On March 16th, 2010 at 8:33 am, BOB said:

    On March 16th, 2010 at 12:13 am, rightwingrocker said:
    If just one state passes such a bill, Obama won’t run in 2012…not because he couldn’t possibly win without that one state, but because of the national discussion that would finally actually happen.

    Don’t believe that. Only one state required a sworn statement that the candidate was constitutionally eligible, and Pelosi just signed the document anyway – that state was none other than HAWAII.

    If any state passes the legislation being considered now to require proof of eligibility, I don’t think a Pelosi signed document saying “Yep, He’s OK” is the proof they will be asking for.

    If the legislation passes in even one state it will create a big probem for the usurper.

  11. #313
    On March 16th, 2010 at 1:46 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    If the legislation passes in even one state it will create a big problem for the usurper.

    I missed the link. Can you give it again?

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  12. #314
    On March 16th, 2010 at 4:13 pm, BOB said:

    On March 16th, 2010 at 1:46 pm, rightwingrocker said:
    If the legislation passes in even one state it will create a big problem for the usurper.

    I missed the link. Can you give it again?

    I remember seeing the information months ago..here are a couple of archives:

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=122432

    and

    here:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2462591/posts

    or you can Google; States take on Obama eligibility….or something like that.

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