Not without a fight, Bobby Gibbs
He wants you to sit down and shut up now.
They are getting cocky, aren’t they? Not without a fight, Bobby Gibbs:
White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said the healthcare bill will pass by next weekend.
“We’ll have the votes when the House votes, I think, within the next week,” Gibbs said on “Fox News Sunday.”
Gibbs added that those on next week’s Sunday talk shows “will be talking about healthcare not as a presidential proposal but I think as the law of the land.”
President Barack Obama will look to campaign on the new healthcare law in midterm elections, Gibbs said.
“We believe healthcare reform is going to pass, and once it passes we’re happy to have the 2010 elections be about the achievement of healthcare reform,” Gibbs said.
Via The Hill.
Get on message, Beltway GOP: Stop the Constitution butchers. Stop Pelosi’s Slaughter House.
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Lunatic ravings of a madman.
Gibbs also stressed that despite indications to the contrary, the earth
is in fact flat, and the sun orbits around it. Also, gravity is an illusion.
Then does he mean by a vote, therefore not deemed?
Nothing grinds my jaws as much as seeing this monstrosity referred to as “healthcare”. One purpose of the bill is the overthrow of the private health insurance industry – but another is to reduce the number of elderly on Medicare and Social Security. It has very little to do with “health care”, and more to do with treating the elderly like they do unborn babies – disposing of them when they are inconvenient.
Well txvet2 as one of those pesky “seniors” I am terrified! Seriously! Should I just go & jump out the basement window now & get it over with?
babble,
Give 2010 and 2012 a shot first, K???
If the current regime can convince the people that communism and totalitarianism are an acceptable way of life then they deserve their fate.
No. It. Won’t.
Whatever else may happen, if the Slaughter Rule is used, it will not be the law of the land.
It will be no law at all, while being a great many other things.
IF PASSED, IT MUST BE DISOBEYED BY EVERYONE WHO GIVES A FIG ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION.
rplatt, as far as the 2008 election (Elections have consequences) I agree with your line of thinking. But w/what we know now, I see your words as a call to action. Our eyes are opened and we are doing our darndest to clean it up.
I’m 68. I didn’t say “roll over and die”. There’s still plenty of fight left before they pass this and a whole lot more before they try to implement it.
He meant un-Constitutional law didn’t he.
The Democrats did this kind of thing with spectacular conclusions in 1854 when the Democrat majority voted in Congress to legalize slavery. Find any good real history book and read about the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854, and project to the logical outcome in 1860 when Lincoln became the first Republican President.
They repeated it many times, the most recent was 1994 when they voted in the Assault Weapons ban, that essentially banned militia arms from private ownership.
They seem to never learn anything from their mistakes. They always forget the little phrase “Consent of the Governed”.
But this is significant:
They have not convinced virtually anybody of that proposition. (“Virtually” is say, b/c they NEVER say outright what they believe and intend, tho collectivists know it and need no convincing.)
This is why they HAVE to resort to this naked violation of their own rules, and the very Constitution they swore to uphold.
I mentioned this in the open thread and will say it here re: Slaughter.
If something is deemed into ‘law’.
Then by the same means, it could be deemed out of ‘law’.
I’m simply copying and pasting what I added to my FB status this morning:
I believe the dems are saying they have the votes in order to demoralize the people and in hopes we give up the fight. WE WON’T.
If they try to tax you for this boondoggle, you have a right to not pay that tax. It is the very definition of TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!! Over one-half of the people in this country are not representated by the progressives in congress. And they shouldn’t have to pay this unconstitutional tax!!
If they had the votes, they would be voting on it as we speak. They don’t have the votes. Another example of how these people lie with every breath.
That picture of Gibbs reminds me of “Saving Private Ryan”…
when the Nazi soldier is making that same expression as he drives a knife into the heart of the American.
Girding loins time, people…
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2010/03/they-were-deadly-serious-very.html
This is how it’s done in the new order…
Be strong.
Ironic how the hippies of the sixties no longer understand the music.
Did he say “See you at the signing”?
I think I heard that befoer about some bill….
wow first thing he said in 14 months that i agree with. it will be a much discussed topic and it will be the noose around the dems necks.
BOBBY says next week talking of “the law of the land”… One question, BOBBY… If it doesn’t pass, are we then not going to hear about HEALTH CARE REFORM in next weeks talk shows, or anywhere else FOREVER??? C’mon November 2010!!!
The fight has been going on for some time now and another front should be approached, another tactic used.
The GOP should approach ten Dem Representatives and promise to allow them to run unopposed, or at least not support the Rep candidate.
Yep, that would require some serious wheeling and dealing.
The Audacity of Arrogance.
If passed every aspect of the health bill should be challanged in the courts. Every attempt to tax us should be challanged. States should assert their constitutional rights and block every mandate the bill contains.
I wish we had a non-violent means to make ourselves heard before we get to vote. We need to find a way to make our anger known to these dimwits. The original Tea Party was a tax revolt. Are there legal ways to have another tax revolt against this Constitutional rape?
zyzzyg, that one caught my breath.
6 months from now:
Robert Gibbs” The President didn’t know that the benefits would kick in 4 years, he also didn’t know the taxes would start right away.”
The whole point of what the donks are threatening with abusing “reconciliation” in the senate and “let’s-not-and-say-we-did” quasi-voting shenanigans in the house is to make the Republicans irrelevant.
Republicans can do two things: complain loudly, and let the bad Republicans reveal themselves if they fail to do so.
Aside from that, if we don’t have donkey-care shoved up you-know-where it will only be because a few donks:
- Still have a conscience;
- Still have a spine;
- Have consistent and unyielding principles;
- Still listen to their constituents’ desires; and
- Don’t think of themselves as donks first, and “Americans” second.
Coming up with enough congress-donks having those characteristics is like searching for a few good men in Sodomm & Gomorrah. Good luck!
If there were enough Republicans in DC to stop this train by themselves, it’d be one thing. But there aren’t. So for the first time since I was stuck in a 9th-floor hotel room in the Osaka-Kobe earthquake, I’m confronted with the prospect of being a spectator to my own fate.
How depressing.
Exactly right. Apparently, VA has already passed a bill to opt out of the Obama bill. 39 other states are ready to do likewise. I am so glad to see that states rights are being invoked. I also believe many are already working on the grounds for sending this to the Supreme Court on Constitutional grounds. You can be sure they are working night and day. We just don’t hear about that because they don’t want to tip their hand too soon. Between the torches and pitchforks, the massive gatherings of We The People, and all the lawsuits, plus the Nov election, the progressives aren’t going to know what hit them.
Even if they lose, big time, we’ll have to wait until January until we see them packing their boxes and heading out. During that time, after the election, unfortunately, they may go “hog-wild” and start passing all sorts of stuff to tie up the new congress.
And after reading along for a few hours here, I’m with earlier comments:
If they had the votes they would be voting today.
They are just trying to make us think it’s hopeless so we’ll give up.
They aren’t there yet.
It’s a good start but I believe:
Virginia passed a State Statute which is not as strong as Virginia making it an amendment to their constitution. Regardless, if Obamacare is found constitutional by Fed. then it trumps State laws.
Robert Gibbs: The world’s only living brain donor…
Hope the Supremes stay healthy.
I probably should break that up. A Federal Statute trumps State Constitutions and State Statutes. US Constitution trumps all. So let’s hope if this passes – Supremes find it unconstitutional.
Really? Don’t the states have any recourse??
There seems to be a LOT of things in this bill that are unconstitutional! I have a strong feeling that constitutional scholars all over this country are pulling together language to submit to the SC as we speak. I would be very surprised if this bill is not bombarded with lawsuits, amendments by the GOP, States opting out somehow, and massive demonstrations across the country. Hang on to your seats, folks. We are in for the ride of our lives. This isn’t looking too pretty for odimwitbo and his communist bootlickers.
Fight it at the Supreme Ct. level?? I sure hope so.
That consistution class I took broke the hierarchy (what trumps what) of laws down into a pretty understandable form.
It goes:
US Constitution trumps
Federal Statute which trumps
State Constitution which trumps
State Statute which trumps
City Ordinance which trumps
Common Law and from there, I don’t know.
Surely there’s more detail but it was something I could grasp.
This health care bill is very destructive on its own demerits but its the Trojan horse seed of far more totalitarian control in the future.
If corruptOcare becomes law (and we don’t take the current debt seriously) we won’t be able to pay the interest on the debt, the principle will grow with no ability to control it, even in a maximum growth economy which can’t happen with that amount of debt.
The austerity riots in Greece will pale in comparison.
I think you can call this whistling past the graveyard.
Not exactly Gladz. Georgia is also passing a constitutional ammendment called the “Georgia Federal Health Care Nullification Amendment.” It is a direct constitutional challenge to Barrycare, and an assertion of state sovereignty over their own citizens’ healthcare. If Barrycare is passed there will be numerous constitutional challenges along these lines, and the states’ position has stronger constitutional support than Barrycare does.
When Gibbs says that they will be talking about it as the “law of the land” in his recent comment as shown above, he is giving us a hint that this bill will transform more than healthcare. His “law of the land” comment indicates that he knows it will be the turning point.
REMEMBER THIS – Hitler became chancellor in 1933 and he transformed the country in one year into his dictatorship which lasted until 1945. He was appointed ONCE. It may only take Obama being elected ONCE to transform America. This week is extremely important to him in his transformation process. When it is the “law of the land” he and his colleagues will not need the House and the Senate after that. The components of the process will be in place. BHO can then put on his crown.
If Obama breaks the constitutional limitations on his office then all hell will break loose. He is very close to doing so.
Swede, I gave the hierarchy of what trumps what. I would imagine it’s best for each state to have the amendment in their constitution.
If this passes at the Federal Statute level (where ObamaCare is right now), I hope states will challenge at the Supreme Ct. level because they have the resources rather than an individual. The basis for their challenge would probably come out of what they put in their State Constitution. (?)
That piece is interesting because the White House could start fudging numbers. They’ve got the Campaigner in Chief and the MSM….
As I told my shipmates at a Navy Veterans website….pop some popcorn, grab your favorite beverage, sit down in your favorite easy chair and watch the show. We are about to see the suicide of the Dimocrat Party and/or the end of the Republic.
Elections have consequences and this is one of them. I suspect our only hope is the Supreme Court and I’m not holding my breath waiting for them to uphold the Constitution.
I believe Gibbs has a very small shred of decency within his verbal enigma used in support of everything Obama. His comment about “law of the land” is a signal of that which he foresees as a final step into complete control over our lives.
He knows that this transformable process is reaching its goal, and Obama, as supreme ruler, will only then need verbalized executive orders to continue his agenda.
I would be more confident if we actually had a strong cadre of Republican Representatives in Washington. We don’t. Witness all of the GOP representatives sitting on the fence waiting for clear signs of how to remain employed.
Anyone ever remember a Whitehouse spokesman who seems to be influencing policy the way Gibbs does?
Where is Senator Leahy of VT hiding while America is being transformed unconstitutionally? He is the Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He must be too busy chasing down Bush legal advisors to have time for this raping of America. WE must retire this man.
I was really disappointed in Chris Wallace’s questioning today. In this Gibbs’ interview he failed to ask Gibbs about the current structure of allowing labor unions to badger congressmen while forcing the corporations to the sidelines.
Later, when the demcrat was filibustering on the health care debate, Chris failed to follow thru on the simple point of the house following the constitution regarding voting for a bill.
I guess Chris was more concerned with his new baby today than he was in asking probing questions.
How about: SlaughterCare
This becomes more and more surreal with each passing day. These fools are playing with dynamite and if they try to use the Slaughter maneuver and merely “proclaim” legislation, then what’s to stop them from proclaiming anything?
If this is attempted, then we will have a Constitutional crisis the likes of which have not been seen since the Civil War. This will not end well.
You forgot to mention that he also believes in the existance of the female orgasm. How’s that for delusional?!
The Founders gave us fair warning of these new day tyrants. History books be damned–read the founding documents.
No…they usually answer questions. Gibbs doesn’t. He obfuscates the issues. And, he dismisses the questions as “silly”. He is disgusting and yes, he really does look like he is saying, “Oops, I pooped my pants” in that picture.
So far, the Republicans are giving us little to challenge Gibbs expectations. How about decrying the unconstitutionality of how the Dems plan to pass this bill? How creating a major scene by storming out of Congress to launch a nationwide tour to every Congressional district railing against an unconstitutional rogue government?
I know, it would be impolite. Staged lame speeches on the Capitol steps is more civilized. Come on Bachmann! Lead! Enough talk already!
Vote out all incumbents in November!
The Constitution and especially the bill of rights, as I understand it is specifically intended to limit the size and scope of federal government, and place more sovereignty in the hands of the states. That’s why a constitutional challenge of Barrycare from several states will have a very good chance of succeeding. Also, any individual or group can challenge a law as unconstitutional, and the health insurance mandate in the bill under threat of federal prosecution, fines or imprisonment is clearly unconstitutional.
Finally if they try to pull the Slaughter Calvinball method, the bill can be challenged simply on the basis that it was not passed by constitutionally mandated Congressional procedure, so is in fact not a law at all.
Remember the whole concept of 3 branches of government is balance of power. The Slaughter solution would clearly be an abuse of power by the congressional leadership. That’s when SCOTUS may rule on challenges to law.
“No…they usually answer questions. Gibbs doesn’t.”
So when Obama goes down, Gibbs will go with him.
Will be fun to watch.
Again I ask you, Phil. Would that include voting out Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan, Jim deMint? Just wondering.
That is of the silliest things I have ever read ziggy, like elections don’t matter! Hey, why don’t you go to your nearest Republican caucus (mine is 3/16) and propose just that?
On March 14th, 2010 at 2:58 pm,
Oh yes, yes indeed! It will be sweet! I remember how I felt when Daschle lost. I was walking on air for a week. This will be even better!! I just hope the harm these traitors have done can be mostly reversed and we can get our country back!
Those of you finding comfort that Republicans will be running on this issue pledging to overturn it in November, wake up. THIS Republican party believes that most of the bill is very good. McCain said exactly that during the Obakabuki two weeks ago.
We need to go after THIS Republican party every bit as hard as we are going after the Democrats because they are both part of the one-party system.
We need to kill this bill right now and for all time. Otherwise, just as when the McCain/Kennedy shamnesty bill was re-introduced after the November 2006 elections re-named Kyl/Cornyn border enforcement bill, the GOP will probably re-introduce Obamacare while renaming it the McCain/Feingold something or other.
We didn’t vote these bums out only to have them return as saviors. We still have some very important unfinished business with the GOP. Let’s get it done!
How can we defeat this bill if they get enough votes to pass it? They are very close. If Obama has a big signing ceremony, and Pelosi gets up and says they did it for the American People, I think you might see people taking to the streets!
Ya know, this Slaughter thing has me confused anyway. I’m not sure it can stand on it’s own merits(???)
But if there’s a vote and not this slaughter thing:
A ‘body’ has to go up the food chain (hierarchy) to challenge something they see as unlawful. Since ObamaCare would be at the Fed. Statute level, the challengers (States) have to bring to the SCOTUS their challenge. They would argue that the Federal Statute that trumps their (State) constitution is against the US Constitution.
Sure nuff but Supreme court decisions over the years have given the legislative branch wy more control than the original framers intended. Around FDR times got the ball rolling.
Pray for our conservative members of the SCOTUS.
wayyyyyy!
It would help enormously if the Republicans put up a fierce and very loud fight. This isn’t a gentlemen’s debate society, there are serous consequences beyond losing the debate. The GOP is so lame I could puke. If the Dems were convinced that the Republicans were about to ratchet up their opposition five clicks and go to war immediately and wage it into November, it might be enough to kill this bill for lack of votes for either the bill itself or the Slaughter proxy.
if Eric Cantor wasn’t willing to speak up this morning on FOX, who will? No one gives Jim DeMint access to the national media because anyone who challenges the establishment is deemed to be a nut.
I predict that not a single Republican will have the spine to introduce a constitutional challenge to this bill should it pass. That is how little faith I have in THIS Republican Party.
August 24. AZ GOP convention. It is critical for the future of America that JD Hayworth defeat McCain for the nomination. CRITICAL. Every bit as important as the John Scott victory in MA.
Sorry that was Scott Brown victory in MA. (John Scott is a very good friend of mine.)
Anybody know when the Federal Government (not state gov’t) has ever forced a person to purchase something?
Hate is not a strong enough word for how I feel about this group of anti-American, socialist scum running our country into the ground.
odumbo and his demon friends can go back to hell where they came from.
Bring it on, freaks!
Ditto!
I am using BHO/MO/Gibbs photos as dartboards! Wish I had voodoo powers to inflict a million wasp bites on Gibbs derriere! He is so irritating! Another million wasps should be released to do the same to Nancy/Harry and Barry!
How the heck can anyone be so blinded and not see through this grab for power?
“THIS Republican party believes that most of the bill is very good.”
You are once again wrong Phil. You rush to cast the Republican party in all sorts of bizarre ways to feed your own agenda is getting the best of you once again.
“BHO/MO/Gibbs”
I’d add the informercial babe that is his budget person, cost cutting, economic advisor, something like that. Everytime she speaks I find myself wondering how well she lies or how crazy she is. It has to be one or the other.
There will be a reckoning in this country in the near future, Voting no longer works, Diplomacy is nearly dead. When will we wake up.
Do not worry, there are people all over the country that will initiate a constitutional challenge a ‘slaughter’ solution. And this type of challenge will happen in short order, probably within a week or so with a scheduled supreme court hearing BEFORE ANY part of it is implemented. With the case going to article 1, I suspect even Ginsburgh would call for a hearing.
I am still trying to figure out just what the heck Obama would sign. Does he sign the senate bill never passed by the house? The house bill never passed by the senate? A new combo bill passed by both? Or some other bill no-one has even seen or voted on?
Why do I suspect this is all a ruse to get the dumbest house democrats to simply pass the senate bill?
This one…
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/cea/about/members/#Romer
My understanding is that the Slaughter solution is a way to vote for the bill without voting for the bill. However, before this bill goes to reconciliation, Obama has to sign it into law. There is nothing obligating the Senate to follow through on any deal with the House.
If it does go to reconciliation, the most obnoxious parts of the bill are untouchable (Louisiana Purchase, Nebraska exclusion, etc…).
Gibbs is talking like the House will pass it on the Slaughter solution, Obama will sign and that will be the end of it.
I just can’t believe that the House Dems will trust the Senate to follow through on anything else so I don’t expect the bill to move this week.
Phil – What they propose to do is bring it through Slaughter’s committe, then somehow magically “deem” the bill as passed, without any vote on the floor. There is no precedent as it has never been tried before, and unless the Republicans are totally asleep (a distinct possibility) they should plan as Flyman suggests a walkout and immediate constitutional challenge. Since the bill was not passed by constitutionally mandated congressional procedure, it should be challenged as in fact NOT a law at all when it gets to the Senate for the reconciliation nonsense.
The latest count I have read from the House floor is 211 Yes / 220 No. The fact that Barry & Co are betting all in on this very long shot indicates desperation, incredible hubris and some serious lack of judgment.
That’s why I’m not buying into the gloom and doom faction here. If they actually bring it for the “straight up or down vote” Barry is talking about, it would fail. End of story. I really don’t see what would change this picture this week. If they try this Slaughter Calvinball weirdness, the public backlash will be massive, and SCOTUS would more than likely “deem” the law unconstitutional.
Either way we win, and the Dems are toast in Nov.
Around the beginning of the last century some people decided that our
highly successful system of government was vulnerable and that it could
be improved.
They began promoting this idea that the power of government was
something that could effect this improvement for everyone.
They had this notion that if it were done right they could solve all the
worlds problems.
Over time they have incrementally changed this country through its
institutions so that now this is the prevailing accepted thought.
However this has been tried in place after place and it has never worked
out for the people that fell under the provisions of such systems.
Never.
The people that survived those experiments can tell you that not only
did their lives not improve- they became miserable and changed from an
existence of living to one of pure survival- often in hellish conditions
surrounded by death and destruction.
We now are on the verge of anarchy, literally, were there is no law
because our supreme law- the Constitution, has been so thoroughly
ignored.
Our institutions have all been co-opted in the name of doing “what is
best for people.”
The rules of the game have been altered so as to render the game incontestable in favor of the government.
They are the cops and the robber at the same time.
We the people are to mind, … or else.
The takeover tipping point for these government advocates they always
have sought is a foolproof method to totally control each and every
soul.
Total authority can be obtained once you control a persons health and
even their right to live or not.
This is what this fight is over.
Our very own right to self ownership.
This right is not transferable, it is provided by a higher power than
man, and can never even be voluntarily surrendered- yet, those that
have granted themselves the power to be judge, jury, and executioner at
once are claiming this power for themselves to administer.
This is not a rhetorical fight we are in.
This is a do or die battle.
Many of the people working in these institutions do not even realize
they are selling out our liberty for a hoped for outcome that is
impossible to achieve- ever.
It is impossible because it goes against mankind’s natural will to be
free.
We now find ourselves in the position of being within a a few people
changing their minds one way or another as to if we will be forced to surrender all personal authority to a powerful coercive force that has granted itself
ultimate authority.
There is only one other force that is capable of stopping this monstrous
beast and that is us,
We the People.
The Obama regime seems to have studied closely the rise of the third reich. Obama care is the moral equivalent of the burning the Reichstag or declaring martial law; in essence it will be a coup d’etat.
Perhaps they should also study the fall of the third reich, not a pretty picture for all concerned.
Gibbs is a political windbag. I am surprised he stays on the ground.
Do not believe him. Regardless of what he says it will not be “the law of the land”.
As I posted awhile back, in this Chuck Norris article, 13 state attorney generals are prepared to file lawsuits against the federal government based on article 10 of The US Constitution. They may lose in lower courts, however Obama has already POd The Supreme Court. I honestly believe parts, or all, of the bill will be denied by the Court.
They may commit political suicide in the House and Senate, and it all be for nothing. Lets hope.
We lost all pretense of representation when elected officials stopped even pretending to read the bills they vote on.
I will cite what I cited a few threads back, just so everyone knows that deeming resolutions are not unprecedented.
Using a deeming resolution to pass legislation that forever affects our way of life? That is unprecedented. And extremely impudent.
The Most Ethical Congress Ever has to adopt a federal budget resolution by April 15th, which is why they feel the urgency to pass this before then. The Democratic leadership wants the ability to remind everybody that they adopted a budget resolution on time. They don’t want health care legislation delayed for another year, not after all their
closed-door deals, underhanded tactics, demagoguery, arrogance, finger-pointing, etc.hard work.CO2 Producer
Bingo…The Most Ethical Congress Evah will have a budget we can’t afford and debts that have officially placed us in bankruptcy. With the 4 yrs of taxes in advance for a healthcare illusion – we’ll have the biggest slush fund in the history to raid. Leaving IOU’s for Social Security and other programs raided has worked for years but we’re at the brink of Waterloo.
DO YOU REALLY WANT THESE HEALTH CARE REFORMS?In just the first 500 pages of the 1,018 page bill, here‘re some “reforms” you won’t like: 5 post down. From the freerepublic
Happy, I have the greatest respect for you and enjoy your opinions, but if you are inferring that Cantor deserves to be elected again, I must disagree. I watched his performance with Van Hollen on Fox and it was dismal. It made my skin crawl to watch Van Hollen speak and he would reach out his hand and touch Cantor’s arm. All Cantor did was grin and giggle. He needed to tell Van Hollen to put his hands in his pockets if he felt the need to feel something. If you think Cantor is man enough to carry the colors, I believe you are not judging the man correctly.
Don’t forget immoral, illegal, unethical, arrogant, ignorant and just plain stupid.
Thank you CO2, that was my point.
That plus each day closer to mid terms makes the probability of getting it done less and less. But if not now, there is no next year. Congresscritters would rather eat broken glass than go through this torture again.
I believe you are wrong. My understanding is that they have to vote for the Slaughter rule on the floor which Gibbs explained is assumed to contain the proposed changes that will then allow Pelosi to skip the floor vote on the bill itself by “deeming” the bill approved. Those voting for the rule will claim that they only voted for the rule, not the bill. But there will be a floor vote on one or the other or both.
Kind of like the way some Senators sometimes vote to allow a bill to proceed where 60 votes are needed but then vote against it later when only 51 votes are needed to pass it. They can claim they didn’t vote for the bill but they are hypocrites.
The other thing is that when Gibbs states that the media will have moved to another subject next week, he is saying that there will be no reconciliation to report on. Will those House Dems then protest that they were lied to? How dumb do they think we are?
That’s our entrenched criminal class of elected weasels. What a disgusting lot.
Cantor is my Congressman, and I don’t want to see him reelected. He has decided to become a McCain Republican.
Unfortunately, there is no GOP primary challenger, and the D-Communist will be worse. If a Tea Party candidate runs, I will vote for them, I’m sick to death of gutless RINO’s.
When does the clock run out on their ability to use the budget reconcilliation process in the Senate?
Since they are depending on using reconcilliation in the Senate, my perception is that once they approve the budget, they can no longer use reconcilliation. If so, then they absolutely, positively don’t want to pass a budget until they pass the “healthcare” bill. Delaying the “healthcare” bill means delaying the budget. At some point, something’s got to give. At some point, they MUST pass a budget, even if they haven’t passed the “healthcare” bill.
If we can hold them off long enough, they will reach a point where they will be forced to either pass a budget, or shut down the government. Public opinion of them would plummet even farther if they keep pushing “healthcare” when the government is being shut down. At the point they are forced to pass a budget, their hope of using “reconciliation” to pass “healthcare” dies.
That is why they are doing a full-court press right now.
Phil – You are right that I was wrong about voting on the rule, but wrong that I was wrong about the House passing the legislation without actually voting a straight yay or nay vote on the bill. Is that right?
Either way, I think we are in complete agreement that according to constitutional procedures for passing legislation into law, BarryCare would not be a law. Rags may disagree, but I don’t see any scenario where SCOTUS would not overturn this.
In fact, IMAO, I think John Roberts’ timing calling out Barry last week was no coincidence, but a subtle warning. Something like, “Go ahead Mr. ‘SCOTUS erred on McCain Feingold’, screw with the constitution. We’ll rip you a new one”. In a more nuanced, dignified way, of course.
24Klady, swede, you got it. The fork in the road is almost here. We’re deciding whether to go one way or the other before the road curves again. Saying that Congress has never “deemed” before is a losing battle, a distraction.
It’s not about agreeing on a solution to the health care problem at this point. It’s about getting DC to hear the people who are saying/screaming no to this particular legislation, not just the cherry-picked people they can trot out before the cameras with their particular tragedies, complications, and other tales of woe. We all have tragedies and complications. Some of us handle them on our own because we don’t want other people’s help. Some of us go to our friends and relatives. Some of us find help from the unexpected charity of others. And some of us just expect the government to pull us out of every hole.
Fans of big government don’t understand why anyone would want to depend on themselves as much as they can when someone can tackle all the hard things in life for them. But taking on someone else’s responsibilities puts control in the government’s hands. I’m one of the millions who doesn’t relish other people taking control of yet another part of my life. The founders of our country probably wouldn’t have liked it, either.
RedPill, the reconciliation process is addressed in the link I provided.
Though I’m not the brightest guy on two legs, I think this means that reconciliation procedures are written into the budget resolution as a means of budget resolution enforcement. The procedures are implemented after the resolution’s adoption. But don’t quote me on it. I’m not an expert. I’m a simple man who sometimes – sometimes – needs simple explanations.
Slaughter
The Constitution
The Unborn
The meaning of insurance
The high calling of a Congressman
The sanctity of freedom
The meaning of a Republic
The honor of the Presidency
The freedom we charish
Democrats…the Slaughter Party
Coffee anyone…
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Wow, Clarence Thomas’ wife is starting her own Tea Party group. Get ready for the left to have a major conniption.
I agree with everything you said (but I’m a little dizzy).
I can’t see the SCOTUS delaying ruling on this. They would probably clear their schedule to make sure they deal with it as soon as possible. I expect they would overturn it 8 to 1 at worst (Sotomayor voting alone). This bill is the tyranny camel in the tent and I just don’t see the Supreme Court as corrupt.
Re Reconciliation, did you see the Byrd bombshell Breitbart dug up the other day? Absolutely a must see. As if Slaughter Calvinball weren’t enough, they will have to use that plus reconciliation to make this happen. If I were a gambler, I’d be selling ObamaCare shares at Intrade big time. I still don’t believe they can make this happen.
Gibbs: Doing the job Barry won’t do (talking to the press).