House Republicans to force vote on Pelosi’s Slaughter House solution; Update: Democrat condemns “deem and pass”
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Just heard from GOP Hill folks:
“House Republican leaders will announce this morning a plan to force a vote this week on a resolution that would require the Senate health care bill to be brought to an actual up-or-down vote. The likely text of the measure is below. If passed by the House, the resolution would prohibit Speaker Pelosi from implementing the “Slaughter Solution,” the scheme by which House Democratic leaders are seeking to “deem” the Senate bill as passed without an actual vote in the House. More details to come.”
Here’s the text:
H. RES. __
RESOLUTION
Ensuring an up or down vote on certain health care legislation.
Resolved, That the Committee on Rules may not report a rule or order that provides for disposition of the Senate amendments to H.R. 3590, an Act entitled The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, unless such rule or order provides for—
(1) at least one hour of debate, equally divided and controlled by the Majority Leader and the Minority Leader, or their designees; and
(2) a requirement that the Speaker put the question on disposition of the Senate amendments and that the yeas and nays be considered as ordered thereon.
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Andy McCarthy weighs on self-executing rules, precedent, and the Slaughter rule:
At the Examiner, Mark Tapscott points out that when the Republican-controlled Congress used a “self-executing” rule very similar to the “Slaughter rule” to raise the debt ceiling in 2005, Rep. Louise Slaughter — along with Rep. Nancy Pelosi and Rep. Henry Waxman — went to court to try to reverse it, arguing that it was a blatant violation of the Constitution’s procedure for passing legislation (art. I, sec. 7).
The bad news for present purposes is that they lost the case. The D.C. Circuit in Public Citizen v. U.S. District Court upheld the procedure. Upheld in this case does not mean endorsed. The Court did not say the self-executing rule was constitutional. It said it could not reach the question due to the standards of deference that apply between departments of government: If the presiding officers of both houses of Congress attest that their respective chambers have passed a piece of legislation, the Court is required to accept those representations as conclusive.
That doesn’t mean it is proper for government officials to execute a procedure that violates the Constitution, nor does it mean that a presiding officer should attest something that is not true. It does, however, suggest that it may be an uphill battle to get a court to declare the process null and void.
Mark is correct to point out that raising the debt ceiling is (regrettably) a routine, uncontroversial practice. Byron made a similar point yesterday in running down the handful of times the “self-executing” procedure has been followed. The key here is that in each instance, at issue was something that was non-controversial or almost ministerial — not, as with heathcare, an unpopular, bitterly opposed, ragingly controversial socialization of the private economy.
I think Democrats are mistaking a customary short-cut for a substantive precedent.
… Sure, we don’t make lawmakers dot every “i” and cross every “t” every time. But that doesn’t mean we’ve abandoned the right to make them play it by the book when it comes to a controversial matter. When there’s a real dispute, they have to pass the bill the regular, constitutionally mandated way: Both houses on the exact same text, with every legislator accountable for his vote.
If, instead, the legislative process becomes a farce that departs from the constitutional procedures we are entitled to enforce, then it no longer represents the consent of the governed. It is the first American principle that government derives its just powers only from the consent of the governed, and when it takes on a form that becomes destructive of the fundamental rights of the governed, it is no longer legitimate.
More from the WSJ.
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Meanwhile Syracuse Democrat Rep. Dan Maffei has announced he’ll climb aboard the Wreckonciliation Express.
And House Republicans spoke at the Capitol Hill protest today:
A bevy of House Republicans helped kick off Tuesday’s “Tea Party” rally on Capitol Hill.
House GOP lawmakers — but no Republican senators — joined protesters to rally against healthcare reform legislation before Congress.
In the first hour of the rally, seven House GOP lawmakers, including Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), who serves as Conference Chairman and who is a member of the House Republican leadership, sought to rouse up support for killing the healthcare legislation set to move through Congress.
Joining Pence were Republican Study Committee Chairman Tom Price (R-Ga.), and Reps. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.), Joe WIlson (R-S.C.), Steve King (R-Iowa), and Louie Gohmert (R-Texas).
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Silly question, I repeat: WHERE IS THE ACTUAL RECONCILIATION BILL? As of 12:02pm Eastern today, the House Rules Committee and the Dems have not released it. They have, however, released a memo justifying their cramdown tactics. Priorities.
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Update: Democrat Rep. Jason Altimire condemns his leaders’ “deem and pass” strategy:
A plan that would allow House Democrats to bypass a direct vote on the Senate’s healthcare bill is causing “discomfort,” a key centrist Democrat said Tuesday.
Rep. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.), a member of the Blue Dog and New Democrat Coalitions, said that the plan to pass the plan using the so-called “deem and pass” procedure is “wrong” and unpopular among his constituents.
There’s a lot of discomfort with the reconciliation process, the self-implementing rule, where you wouldn’t have a formal vote on maybe the most important policy of the past 40 years,” he said on Fox Business Network. “I have a big issue with the way they’re doing the process. I think it’s wrong and my constituents don’t like it.”
Altmire, a no vote on the House’s healthcare bill in November who is now undecided, is seen by many as critical to passage.
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No Republican Senators had the cajones to show up….THIS is why I will not vote for a Senate incumbent next fall. A pox on them!
I Love Michele Bachmann! She’s got bigger ‘nads than 95% of the Republicans in DC.
We’ll see if the resolution gets shot down, as I suspect it will. The donks are going for broke, and trickery is the only tool they have left in the toolbox.
Still, it’ll have the effect of forcing the donks to come out and own up to what they’re doing.
No GOP senators. Great. Just great.
Force their hand it all goes on the record. “Slaughter House Rules”
Respecting the Slaughter Rule, I wrote about it today…
http://hindenblog1.blogspot.com/
Please have a look. Lemme know what you think, please.
The American people need to know that we are facing a Marxist soft coup here. This is unconstitutional and criminal in every respect. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have suffered and died fighting these very people over the last century, and we will not go quietly into the night.
We will never bow the knee to the Marxian Statists.
Right now this fight is in the House.
Thank God for these few Republican members who are on the front lines.
We already knew some of the Stupak pro life crew would likely jump ship. They still don’t have the votes, nor will they this week. The only reason Slaughter Calvinball is being played is that Nanny does not have the votes.
If you ignore the Constitution in the past, it may come back to bite you in the future. Becareful what you ask for, you might get it, ie. hope and change.
My thoughts exactly. Whatever precedent the Dems set now can and will be used against them when they are the minority. The question is are they too stupid to realize this.
Ragspierre #7,
You did good on your post about the slaughter solution.
L
It seems that the Republicans have passed legislation in the moment, without thinking of precedent setting behavior, and left it to: Let The Devil Take The Hindmost.
I have been thinking a lot lately about that old saying.
“It’s every man for himself, and the Devil take the hindmost.”
I don’t think they are planning on fair elections anymore.
I think they are working every way they can to rig the playing field.
In their defense the Republicans made it pretty easy for them with their behavior in the past….Lindsey Graham still wants Shamnesty. So The Democrats are getting help.
Just wanted to post this from Hannity.com:
http://download.premiereradio.net/seanhannity/temp/whip7.jpg
The founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing when they wrote the Constitution. They had seen this stuff before.
I think that it’s not so much that they’re too stupid to see the possibility, but rather that they’re gambling on a number of outcomes:
1. They’re gambling on the two great weaknesses of the American People today: a short attention span, and a short memory. By November, if there’s any good economic news, they think that all will be forgotten.
2. They’re gambling that even if Republicans/conservatives take back the majorities in Congress, that they won’t have the super-majority in the Senate required to roll back donkey-care.
3. They’re gambling that after a few years the American people will become even further infantilized by the nanny state, and will keep electing donks to majority status to “preserve” the “rights” that those nasty old Rethuglicans will try to take away.
Of the three gambles, #1 is relatively safe. So is #2: there are no “Gangs of Fourteen” when the donks are running the show, but there will be when the Republicans are. Gamble #3 will work until the whole federal government and many of the states go totally bankrupt.
That’s when the donks will make their move to sweep away the “old order” with a new, one-party state — and when the Second American Revolution begins.
The simple fact is about 80 to 90 percent of what the Federal Government does is UNCONSTITUTIONAL! We are so used to these clowns doing anything they want, any way the want, any time they want that we have been asleep at the voting booth for decades. Now, we wake up and find ourselves like that proverbial frog in the hot water….
This is insanity and I am not so sure it isn’t by design on the part of Obama et al….
Time and again, the Dem leaders keep finding new ways to amaze me with their chutzpah. I would just love to see one of the founding fathers rise from the grave to condemn these power-mad libbies!
Ragspierre,I’ve always enjoyed your posts here, I’ll check out your blog and good luck.
I believe your exactly right, here comes the amnesty crap again, those 12 to 20 million illegal voters the vast majority will be dems..you know the ones, “give me, give me. give me”.
Where’s are heroes, Inhofe, DeMint, Coburn, Vitter, not to mention that spinless backstabbing campaigning Juan McShame? Hopefully they are working hard in the background to defeat this Marxist take over.
After McCain/Grahamnesty help their “good friends across the aisle” get amnesty for 30 million citizens of other countries who are in our country illegally, the Dems will have no worries about ever losing another election. It has been the game plan all along.
The Stupid Party earned it’s nickname.
Thanks, guys!!!
I appreciate your support…and any criticism you might have, TOO!
Where’s the Republicans? Hiding under their desks hoping to save their sorry arses and not get voted out. They are, without a doubt, the WORST because they are in a position to make a lot of noise, get some attention, and fight like hell to stop this horrible progressive takeover of our lives. Shame on every single one of them.
Easy, let’s not shoot ourselves.
AMEN.
It is unfortunate, but with an observation of current events, I must declare that if the House “deems” this legislation as “passed” without actually voting for the Senate version, then the legislative branch of our government becomes illegitimate.
I’m sorry but didn’t Obama just say that the public deserves an up or down vote, or did he mean an up or down unconstitutional maneuver?
Rush has broken his normal rule, and is calling for his listeners to flood the Hill with calls.
THAT is great news….!!!
Ragspierre,
Rush just said the number he gave out was for asking to contact the person to vote for the bill. It must have been a d’ number and one to seiu. He posted the correct numbers on his site, rushlimbaugh.com. The numbers were toll free.
L
They have never planned on fair elections. The only thing fair to them is they win. As long as I can remember they do everything possible, legal or not, to ge elected and stay in power from the local level on up. Its just got more blatent and open nationwide. They are working fast to entrench themselves in permanent power in DC.
Just wondering:
Do Congress members lose their Congressional health care coverage if they are voted out of office in November?
Bittersweet irony if that’s the case.
…and it would make Obama a liar about no one losing their current coverage if Obamacare passes.
Those who will wait for some kind of declaration of no more elections before they take up arms against a rising tyranny will be waiting forever. Even the Soviet Union (and Saddam, etc) had regular elections. Their media called those elections fair.
They even had trials. “Fair” trials.
We are nowhere near that situation right now in America, but those who believe Obama, Pelosi and Reid would not take us there if they could, for “social justice,” of course, have lost connection with reality.
Our liberty could vanish much more rapidly than most people realize. America has been the guarantor of what degree of liberty has been in the world. No one has our back.
My rep quit to run for Governor. Or because even he – the ex-hippie doesn’t have the stomach for this…well ok, to run for Gov…
The Marxists are within a few days’ time of successfully overthrowing our Constitutional Republic. Coup d’etat anyone?
With apologies to the Scottish Bard:
“Wha for Liberty and Law,
Freedom’s sword will strongly draw,
Free-man stand, or Free-man fa’,
Let him on wi’ me!
By Oppression’s woes and pains!
By your sons in servile chains!
We will drain our dearest veins,
But they shall be free!”
Mine hasn’t taken a position officially. Of course, he never does until he see how Nancy votes and then says “Me Too!”
Support Allen West and send Ron Klein to the unemployment line.
Coming close to that in California, thanks to gerrymandered districts practically guaranteeing same party control and an apathic and easily duped electorate.
Am I missing something here? He was against the vote when it was arguably being pushed in a more ethical (constitutional?) manner. NOW he’s undecided when the methodology being used to pass the bill is shady at best and possibly unconstitutional at worst??
For Pete’s sake! If it’s WRONG IT’S WRONG. Where do they GET these people from???
“Undecided” is taking on the same connotation in the political realm as “moderate.”
Make them vote on their lawlessness and unconstitutionality … It’s a good if, totally useless ploy.
Now Americans know that a vote for the procedure is the same as a vote for the bill. In the old days of the MSM, we wouldn’t have known what hit us until it was too late. No wonder the crooks in D.C. hate FOX and the internet.
I’m pulling for them to go ahead with their procedural BS. It will be worse for them in November than if they actually voted on the bill. The Surpreme Court will throw it out anyway.
As Axlerod says, “go ahead and make my day”.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Yet, to say this is to be “alarmist”, “reactionary” and on and on. The frog boils on but don’t worry, it’ll NEVER happen…
I have to LOL. My congress-critter’s district is sooooo gerrymandered, that when I call or e-mail, their system conveniently doesn’t recognize my zip code as being in “Pole-cat” Polis’ district. He stinks!
He lives 170 miles and two mountain ranges away!
It can only happen if we let it happen.
If this is signed into “law” by THE ONE,
THAT HAS TO BE JUST THE BEGINNING OF RESISTANCE.
Michelle Bachman suggested (hinted at…?) civil disobedience as she spoke today.
Coincidence.
My Congressman is Emanuel Cleaver .
Lock step Democrat. He’s just along for the ride, and certainly enjoys his ‘ride’ these days. Congress’s highest spender of tax payer money for his official car.
We once had more balance in our congressional district. It often flipped parties depending on the mood of the voters and how the candidates presented themselves. The district was redrawn to favor the dems back in the mid 90s when we had a GOP congressman. He was a moderate, but even he saw the writing on the wall and didn’t run for reelection. In no election since has the GOP candidate even come close. Even the state GOP considers my district too far gone to aggressively back any candidates but for a toket effort. Not that the CA GOP is anywhere near an effective organization as it needs to be.
All orders emanating from a “no longer legitimate” government would be considered unlawful. Our military would not be duty-bound to obey such orders. Hence the Oath Takers movement. The survival of our Constitution may someday rest on whether our men in uniform honor their oath “to defend the constitution against enemies foreign and domestic”.
This is so depressing. I think we have killed the bill and it just keeps coming back. I have never seen such focus on getting a bill passed. I understand why. They have majorities, they have wanted it for 50 years, they recognize they are so close and if they don’t get it, they may NEVER get it.
They are sacrificing their political careers. Uh..well Nancy isn’t. She will be reelected from that cesspool district no matter how looney she is.
They may need 216 but what amazes me is they still have 200 or so that will vote for it. Also, amazingly, no republicans will vote for it. There are also 60 in the Senate that will vote for it. That means that almost half of our elected reps will vote for this monstrosity no matter what the public says. They don’t even have a real bill. They are voting on a moving target.
Are they that stupid or so ideologically driven that they will damn the torpedoes and press full steam ahead? I know they think this is good for the people as far as health care is concerned? Do they think that bankrupting the country is not going to happen? Seriously?
By the way , where do they stop? If having health care is good, then how about free education, free housing, free transportation, free meals?
Doesn’t everyone deserve to have the exact same things in life? Why do I as a poor person have to take the bus when the rich zip by me in BMW’s? How is that fair? Why do I have to live in a small apartment when others like John Edwards live in 24,000 square feet mansions? Why doesn’t my kitchen counter have a breadmaker, foreman grill, blender, toaster oven and fancy utensils?
Its just not fair and the government needs to step in and give me all the stuff other people have. Wahhh!
Well, if the dems get their healthcare bill passed, yes all these and more will be forthcoming. “Free” everything for the masses as long as its rationed and controlled by the progressive elites permanently in power in exchange for complete obedience and service.
Welcome to Soviet Socialists Republic of the United States.
The Republicans are OK with the Slaughter rule as long as they get 30 minutes of debate and an up-or-down vote on the “disposition of the Senate amendments”???
I don’t get that. 30 minutes seems way too short, and I don’t know enough about the “Senate amendments” to know why they are only asking for “the yeas and nays” on the Senate amendments, and not on the Senate bill itself.
Can anyone explain that to me?
Thanks in advance.
I wonder if in November they will just deem themselves re-elected? Communism has reared its ugly head.
It won’t matter. Once re-districting is done according to the rigged Census data, they’ll have a permanent majority.
Unless we stop them!
What do we do if Demon Pass is signed by Obama?
http://hindenblog1.blogspot.com/
We defy…
It’s not over ’til it’s over. It’s time to man the torpedoes, people.
I’d also like to make this point to liberals like my sister and brother-in-law and those sainted Dem constituencies who think they’re so precious that you can get something for nothing: Your entitlements will eventually bite you in the a$$. You will lose whatever “rights” you thought you had and those entitlements that you thought made you free.
I hate to break it to babyboomers out there like my mother: if we don’t create 100,000 new jobs each MONTH to keep pace with population growth, how do you think you will get your medicare, medicaid, and social security? They’re all going broke and I won’t shed tears for those too weak to take care of themselves.
Sorry, but I’m unemployed right now and it’s not in my interest to support taxes that neither encourage growth or freedom in this country. This is our last stand I feel. Any Dem who participates in this debacle is a traitor and has a lot to answer for. That includes the dear congresscritter from Syracuse, which has become a wasteland of entitlement and mediocrity.
I’m glad I got out of NY when I did and I encourage those in upstate NY to see the handwriting on the wall and move on. The downstaters and Albany lawmakers never cared about you. It’s just like Washington… they only care about the minorities, illegals, unionists and those who add to their coffers. Not you.
It is the equivalent of an illegal order. It is your duty to disobey it.
I was reviewing the “The Crisis” the other day.
“What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.”
I see no alternative, should this thing pass, for any American.
It looks like the Fox servers are being blocked by a flood of leftist garbage. Tried to post the following with no success.
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Thanks to ever expanding federal intrusions, you will lose your freedoms to benefit from the wealth you create and you might well lose your freedom even to create if said creation is deemed not beneficial to the collective.
Probably the greatest freedom that will be lost when a cost effectiveness model is used as a basis for access to healthcare will be your God given freedom to live or die. Simply put, the eugenics philosophy is alive and well within a progressive movement that values life only in a utilitarian sense. This thinking led Hitler to the genocidal massacre of the jews and led Stalin to the starvation genocide of Ukranians. Today’s version of these genocidal ideas is abortion on demand (now 50Million aborted babies and counting) and euthanasia of the elderly or diseased. We have also seen the compassionate euthanasia of the handicapped whose lives are deemed as useless to themselves and society at large (Terry Schiavo).
The utopian socialist does not value the individual and certainly nothing sacred. The world being built will by obama and his administration will look a lot like the failed socialist states of the past and, at best, the failing Euro-socialist states of the present.
I am not at all convinced that all this is not happening by design. It is pretty obvious that Obama and his Marxist friends don’t care about the “consent of the governed” or “limited and enumerated powers” or that pesky old document hideen away somewhere in the National Archives.
Are they actually looking for an excuse to create a constitutional crisis and this “health care” monstrosity is just the most convenient opportunity? I mean, we just got through TARP and Porkulous. Frankly, they are manufacturing crises and I think there is a bigger purpose here than “health care.”
I would have never thought I would think this even 4 years ago….
On March 16th, 2010 at 4:46 pm, WarEagle82 said:
Communists take over countries via the 4 step process of “ideological subversion” a.k.a. “active measures”.
1) Demoralization
2) Destablization
3) Crisis
4) Normalization
There are two different ways to transition from Crisis to Communist Normalization. One is invasion. The other is Civil War.
Once you reach step 4, it is very, very, very difficult to go backwards.
We are very, very, very close to the “crisis” stage financially. Social Security has ceased to be a revenue center for annual budgets, and is now a cost center. China is slowing their purchases of our debt. If we lose our AAA rating, things will start going downhill even faster.
Obama knows that no great military can remain great if the country collapses financially. There’s a YouTube video of him during the campaign saying so. People assumed that meant he was in favor of fiscal responsibility. Many had no clue that he was describing the game plan to bring “an Empire to its knees”.
The way to reverse the process is to “remoralize” the country. I believe we are going to experience another spiritual “Great Awakening” in this country, and that will be the keystone in preserving this God-blessed Republic.
It’s called the Cloward-Piven strategy, simply put, to overload government services until they break down. Then a new system can be put in place to replace all those institutions they have destoyed.
Communism.
Change the rules when its convienient. These a@@holes will stop at nothing to get what they want.
That was what Reagan did. He made us proud of America, the ‘shining city on the hill’.
Who will be our new Reagan?
Palin? Too bruised.
Romney? His reversals are disturbing.
Pawlenty? Not sure he’s strong enough.
Jindal? Needs more seasoning.
Bachmann, Ryan, Pence, …?
We need someone to rally behind.
Awesome! That means that at least one Democrat is leaking info to Beck to bring some “transparency” to the process, even when the DemonRat “leadership” goes behind closed doors.
I’m not an expert on the rules, but I would guess that the rules themselves say that if you want to change the rules mid-stream, that requires a 2/3 vote.
Yes the Constitution allows them to make their rules. But now they want to break the rules that they themselves made!
…AND claim that they are following the Constitution when they do so!
So, not only do they want to cheat but also pretend that they are being Constitutionalists when they do so!
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HI WAREAGLE82–#66. I also had the same “epiphany” (awakening) moment that you did. Mine came after listening to Mark Levin and by reading excellent conservative books by Mark, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, William J. Bennett, et. al.
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I used to think that a lot of the more conservative thoughts about “fifth columnists” taking over our government were wacko. But after watching “democrat” / liberal / socialist / statist / marxist / communist Comrade Obama (PBUH) and his congressional / government ilk on video over the last 4 years their real agenda has become most clear. It is no less than changing the U.S.A. into their new United Socialist States of Amerika–or worse.
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I now have a much better understanding of our Constitution and what a great gift our Founding Fathers gave us 234 years ago.
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Teaparty these corrupt clowns at all opportunities. Vote them out of office in the 2010 and 2012 elections and send them into well deserved FUNEMPLOYMENT.
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John Bibb
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On March 16th, 2010 at 5:38 pm, Dexter Alarius said:
Absolutely!
Who is the “Reagan Republican”?
The blog is excellent rags. Ordinarily, plugging your blog here would be called for bad etiquette, but keep up the good blogging and you get a pass.
Your mother dresses you funny. Other than that I have a few questions re the citizen revolt against the bill:
1) What about the +/- 12 states doing what Georgia is doing – a state constitutional ammendment “nullifying” the federal healthcare bill. This is a direct constitutional challenge, and has successful precident. As a Georgia citizen, would this not make me immune to penalties for refusing to comply with Barrycare?
2) Or, what about a huge taxpayer class action type suit challenging the “non law” law as unconstitutional? I have no Idea how this might work. Possible?
BTW – You realize that Bush was responsible for the Hindenberg disaster. Just thought you should know.
To be a representative government, it must represent the will of the people. When the government is only representing the minority, then it no longer represents the people and can be deemed oppressive. It is at this point the constitution declares it is our duty to dispose of it and replace it with one that represents us.
This is not a call to action, but merely an observation to remind us this situation has been covered in our founding document, the constitution, and no amendment has removed its authority.
On March 16th, 2010 at 4:14 pm, emjem24 said:
For almost 40 years (ever since Roe v. Wade), we have aborted approximately 1/3 of all pregnancies. If not for those abortions, we’d have millions more workers paying into medicare, medicaid, and social security.
The far left is hell-bent (literally) on destroying life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
My moronic Congressman still thinks he’s in forever, so I e-mailed his staff and asked them if his constituents do in fact boot him, are they ready for unemployment. Ole congressman jim may get a great retirement package but they won’t.Who knows, maybe they can get through to him. His constituents aren’t able to do it.
Helen Thomas is nuts
Whie House Press Breifing
Your assessment is accurate and informative, but about 50 years late. Hellen Thomas is getting nuttier would be more current.
Et tu Jack Cafferty
Jack Cafferty: Pelosi ‘Beyond Sleazy’ For Endorsing Slaughter Solution
Thanks for putting the Slaughter Solution and reconciliation under perspective, Michelle (and Andy M., Mark T., and Byron Y.). I’m glad the Right concedes that the method has been used before yet makes the argument that it has never been used to pass such important, society-transforming legislation. Even with these explanations, I can’t get my head around it all.
The GOP in the House Rules Committee rebutted the Democrats’ memo with one of their own. The GOP refutes the amount of times this procedure has actually been used. The Democrats want people to think that “deem and pass” has been possible since 1933, where, according to what I’ve read, the procedure really came about after the Congressional Budget Act of 1974. I linked to that information on this site a couple of days ago, so to avoid repeating the link on someone else’s blog too many times, I won’t do it again.
Can we get some accurate, unbiased fact-checking and clarification on the matter? After my own reading, and after what the two memos tell us, I’m more confused than ever on the subject. There are far too many convoluted and contrary ideas on how to legislate with legitimacy, which is an indication of how supersized our government is and how much it needs to simplify itself.
The rhetoric I’m reading in comments by the Left (such as the kind I read in the CNN comments in the Jack Cafferty story Laree just provided) on this issue is “by any means necessary.” They’re not even hiding their insistence on using underhanded methods to pass the bill anymore. The unmitigated gall blows my mind. If one of those means is by perplexing the public on proper procedures (say that five times fast), mission accomplished. What’s not perplexing is that citizen confusion is exactly what they’re counting on to pass this piece of exquisite crapoleum.
By any means necessary.
I’ve changed my mind. I want Barrycare to pass ASAP! Ohio town hall:
Some quick math tells me that with the present premium at about $400/mo, a 3000% decrease would result in a $12,000 per month raise. Sorry my friends, but I need the money.
Unless – you don’t suppose – this man’s cheese has slid off his cracker?
Any Democrat who does not speak out about this cramdown and allows it to pass shall have been deemed to have voted for it come November.
swede:
Well, since falling 100% means the disappearance of said premiums, I would think so.
Just supposing, though.
CO2 – The most massive legislation ever before congress, dwarfing Social Security and Medicare combined, and Obozo is hyping it up with inane rhetorical hyperbole. The absurdity eminating from these cretin has reached a level beyond anything I have ever heard from Washington Wonderland.
The nonsensicle 12K raise is exactly what this idot implied. I’m joking about it, but man, this is really getting scarier by the day.
One of the scary things is that his inanity wasn’t a joke.
I should’ve known. The “3000%” comment was Hot Air’s Obamateurism of the Day. We have a winner for the week, if not the year, and it’s only Tuesday in the middle of March.
Remember Nanny Pelousy said the Porkulus would create 500 million jobs – which is really slick since the population is only 300 million. We’ll have to bring in 200 mil illegal aliens I guess.
“Facts are stubborn things; statistics are much more pliable.” – Mark Twain
*I think the death of Obamacare is on the horizon, since P-BO has announced he will not campaign for any Dem voting against it; That’s gonna cost him a lot of undecided folks in the House.
*I’ve been in daily contact through various means with my Rep., Bart(traitor)Gordon; As an additional tactic, I’ve been in contact with my state House and Senate members(both Dems) to let them know how I feel about Gordon and asking them to apply leverage if they plan on keeping their jobs; Can’t hurt.
bjc – Good reminder – thanks! I’ve been doing this almost daily as well, but can’t get through on the phone now. This is no time to let up. In fact we need to ratchet up the pressure. Takes very little time or effort, yet is very effective en masse.
BarryCare is dismembered and bleeding, but Barry the Black Night fights on!
Barry: ‘Tis but a scratch
Arthur: A scratch? Your arm’s off
Barry: No it isn’t
Arthur: Well What’s that then
Barry: I’ve had worse
Arthur: Liar
Barry: Common ya panzy
***
Barry: I’m invincible!
Arthur: You’re a looney.
Barry: The Black Knight always triumphs!
O/T – The NJ Tea Party people got the OK to collect signatures to recall Senator Menendez. Way to got NJ!!! To bad only 18 states have a recall procedure.
OT: 15 GOP Senators said OK to earmarks in a bill put forth by Jim DeMint to eliminate them; The “enemy within” is all I can say; GOP members in the House seem to be doing all the right things; Not so much in the Senate; All these RINO’s MUST be purged from the party, as they continue to be enablers for our demise; I curse them!
Does anyone there really know what they will be voting on? This so-called healthcare bill has become such a confusing mess, I don’t think anyone there knows what is in it now.
About TIME! I have been waiting for some time to see when someone finally had enough and initiated a recall.
Please keep Michelle (us) updated.
On March 16th, 2010 at 5:38 pm, Dexter Alarius said:
Exactly…
Thought you guys would want to know…
John Hood at NRO has a “I will not comply” Face Book thing up.
JOIN UP!!!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-Will-Not-Comply/367469923214?v=wall&ref=ts
For all of the talk from the “progressives” about G. W. Bush behaving as a dictator, this attempt to ram through Obama-Care without a vote, simply “deeming” it passed is as dictatorial as anything that has ever been resolved in our nation’s history. I mean, this is like the Nazi Reichstag passing a resolution from the office of the Reichschancellor himself, simply because Der Fuhrer wanted it passed.
The Democratic Party has ceased to exist as it used to be, although I suppose it could be argued that as it has evolved since the earliest days of the 20th Century, its becoming a totalitarian party was inevitable, and it will only get worse. If the GOP had any brains, they’d be heading as far away from ALL aspects of the DNC’s agenda as fast as they could.
Moreover, all who have or are supporting Barack Obama’s agenda who do not see this for what it is, and continue supporting this man, then you are an enemy of the United States as it was established, and of the United States Constitution. You are a traitor to this country.