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1. #1
   On March 18th, 2010 at 2:32 pm, tarpon said:

   Why not just call this Obamanation what it is … Liars cheating and stealing.

   The rules are being changed real-time, the Bill has not been scored in any rational way. It’s like the UN Climate Change people are scoring the bill, with the same ‘thumb on the scale’ effects.

   This is not Constitutional government, this is two-bit tin pot government like you find in all these other democracies, from Saddam’s Iraq to Chavez’s Venezuela. The law is what I say it is.

   And it sucks.

   Your economic freedom is being stolen.

2. #2
   On March 18th, 2010 at 2:35 pm, cabrerski said:

   Just wait…

   Can we bring in the numbers of the future unemployed health insurance workers as they lose their ability to compete in the marketplace?

   The number of doctors that choose to leave the profession rather than deal with the additional paperwork and reduced fee payments?

   The number of employees of said doctors that are now on the unemployment rolls?

   etc…etc…etc…

   How about we pass a law that makes the members of the CBO liable for any shortfalls greater than 10% in their estimates?

   Jus’ sayin’…

3. #3
   On March 18th, 2010 at 2:42 pm, Vntnrse said:

   Must have been some yelling going on in the back of the chamber off mic because the acting speaker demanded all “conversations” be taken out of the chamber!

4. #4
   On March 18th, 2010 at 2:42 pm, Drews2Cents said:

   No matches found for the term “abortion.” Stupak?

5. #5
   On March 18th, 2010 at 2:48 pm, rambler said:

   Won’t matter much how much health care costs if there are no hospitals to go to or doctors to see. Maybe that’s the point of all this.

6. #6
   On March 18th, 2010 at 2:49 pm, Regulus said:

   The donks don’t care whether you read the bill. They’re sure as hell not going to. And to any quibbles about this or that provision, they already have their answer at the ready:

   “Vae victus.” Translated loosely, “Elections have consequences.”

   On March 18th, 2010 at 2:42 pm, Drews2Cents said:

   No matches found for the term “abortion.” Stupak?

   You don’t think they’d be so stupid as to use that word in the bill itself, do you? Abortion funding is buried in there somewhere, look for the creative phraseology.

7. #7
   On March 18th, 2010 at 2:55 pm, Drews2Cents said:

   On March 18th, 2010 at 2:49 pm, Regulus said:

   No I don’t. I wish I had more time to analyze this monster to see exactly what all the “striking” and “inserting” really means. I’m sure we’ll have plenty to read tonight…

8. #8
   On March 18th, 2010 at 2:57 pm, babiesgrandma said:

   I feel like sticking Kucinich’s Tin Foil Hat on my head (from the pic at the right) —–>

   It seems that this is bizarro world, and the grown-ups have left, and all the juvenile delinquents on the playground are now bullying us around.

9. #9
   On March 18th, 2010 at 3:03 pm, db said:

   Possible votes on Monday before 630pm Eastern.

   I think that should be: “Possible votes on Monday as early as 630am Eastern.” Hoyer said something about possibly being there all night Sunday.

10. #10
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:14 pm, TinkerBrendie said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:42 pm, Drews2Cents said:

    No matches found for the term “abortion.” Stupak?

    Have you searched for the phrase “health of the mother” yet?

11. #11
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:16 pm, RedDog said:

    Apparently losing their jobs in deterrent is not much of a deterrent to these people. Treason must be very rewarding as well as intoxicating.

12. #12
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:19 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    This bill is a complete farce. It won’t do anything to stop the rising cost of health care.

    I wish the CBO would show the impact of this legislation on the STATE governments through medicaid.

    That’s their little trick. . . this bill has good numbers from FEDERAL spending. Initially they subsidize medicaid a TON from the federal government. . . then the responsibility falls to the states for the rest of eternity.

    Basically, the Feds are using the state governments as the piggy bank for this program. The FEDERAL numbers look good because Medicaid isn’t a FEDERAL responsibility.

    If you want the REAL cost of this bill, you have to add the increases in Medicaid costs to the states to this final number.

13. #13
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:20 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    This whole process has made me really question whether or not we should be telling the world how to run their governments.

    Our process allows inexperienced snake oil salesmen to spend an unlimited amount of other people’s money with no responsibility.

    Obama is going to consider the White House a prison before he leaves instead of a castle. He will go down as the most hated president in history who left the nation worse off than when he got it because of the spending.

14. #14
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:23 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Shades of things to come…Walgreens will not be taking any more new prescriptions from Medicaid. Oh, and by the way, Obama doesn’t have a clue what is in the bill, and do you think he is going to sit down now and actually READ it? Ha!

15. #15
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:24 pm, RedDog said:

    Think about it: This bill is in fact the new 2010 Revised Constitution of the United States. Our Constitution and Republic have been effectively overthrown by this abomination. If passed, this thing will be the new rule of law for the nation. Democrats/Communists will use it to rule the country forever. This is high treason by any judgement.

16. #16
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:25 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    And I don’t mind losing a debate or an argument. . . but their talking points are so out of left field it is just sad. Sad is the only word I can use. I’m not even angry at how they mislead people. . . it’s just sad.

    Obama wants to fight battles Against Americans (Gibbs referred to health care as a ‘battle’).

    They blame Republicans for passing a Medicare drug package because it was expensive. . . yet they use making it MORE expensive to say they ‘improved Medicare’.

    They took out 500B from Medicare to pay for subsidies of people under 65. They stifle investment by taxing dividends and investments.

    It’s going to get really bad really quickly and it is because of the people in charge.

    Their rhetoric is beyond debatable. They spend other people’s money and say ‘we got a BARGAIN!’. I imagine if Pelosi would give me her credit card and allow me to buy a Ferrari with it, I’d think it was a bargain too. . . Nancy might call it something else.

17. #17
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:25 pm, happyscrapper said:

    So, we will be paying for health”care” for four years before any “benefits” start. Is that money going to be put into the same lock-box as SS was put? Just curious.

18. #18
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:28 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    You don’t think they’d be so stupid as to use that word in the bill itself, do you? Abortion funding is buried in there somewhere, look for the creative phraseology.

    Like these!

19. #19
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:31 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Previous post warning, Not for the sqeamish! Sorry.

20. #20
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:31 pm, RedDog said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:55 pm, Drews2Cents said:
    …I wish I had more time to analyze this monster to see exactly what all the “striking” and “inserting” really means. I’m sure we’ll have plenty to read tonight…

    Ann Coulter has the right idea. True healthcare reform could have been achieved in a five page bill. The fact of a 2,300 page bill is all the evidence you need that this thing is not about healthcare at all, it is about a coup d’etat. Everything else is diversionary.

21. #21
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:34 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    Abortion funding was NEVER a part of this bill as a separate entity.

    This bill does ONE THING. . . PAYS FOR INSURANCE.

    It’s very simple. . . the federal government uses tax dollars to pay for health insurance for people who can not afford it (through Medicaid mostly).

    The health insurance plans are mandated that abortion be covered. Congress does nothing but pay for the insurance. . . the insurance is required to cover abortion at the state level.

    Stupak and others wanted SPECIAL plans that specifically EXCLUDED abortion for people who got subsidies to pay for their insurance plans.

    For someone who completely understands how this process works, it is sad because I understand equally how difficult it is to get the concepts across to people so that they might understand it.

    Basically, the feds are going to pay for more insurance premiums whether you are sick or not.

    They’ll have to pay for it for every new immigrant (legal or illegal) forever once this plan passes. Eventually someone is going to have to pay for it (grandkids, great grandkids. . . etc.).

22. #22
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:42 pm, happyscrapper said:

    If they are going to get the poor covered under Medicaid…good luck. Walgreens is already saying they will not take any new Medicaid customers. More to follow. Medicaid is dead.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,589610,00.html

23. #23
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:47 pm, TheCorruptedLamb said:

    I am going to find Rush Limbaughs doctor and go away for a few years!

24. #24
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:50 pm, Southpaw said:

    The strategy has already been figured out. Special breaks for doctor owned hospitals in Pennsylvania and Ohio. Look for bribes and kickbacks in every single Congressional district that has a wavering Democrat.

25. #25
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:55 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    RedDog said:

    Ann Coulter has the right idea. True healthcare reform could have been achieved in a five page bill. The fact of a 2,300 page bill is all the evidence you need that this thing is not about healthcare at all, it is about a coup d’etat. Everything else is diversionary.

    Yup. It takes that many pages of their bulls#*& to weave the deceit they require.

26. #26
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:58 pm, Flyoverman said:

    If this passes, I hope everyone is still ready to keep fighting. This is not Constitutional and everyone who too the oath is expected to keep the faith.

27. #27
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:01 pm, TheCorruptedLamb said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:58 pm, Flyoverman said:
    If this passes, I hope everyone is still ready to keep fighting. This is not Constitutional and everyone who too the oath is expected to keep the faith.

    I’ll keep my faith and my 9m.

28. #28
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:05 pm, Surveyor said:

    CHAPTER 48—MAINTENANCE OF
    MINIMUM ESSENTIAL COVERAGE
    Sec. 5000A. Requirement to maintain minimum essential coverage.
    17 SEC. 5000A. REQUIREMENT TO MAINTAIN MINIMUM ESSENTIAL COVERAGE.

    We will see.

29. #29
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:20 pm, cabrerski said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:05 pm, Surveyor said:
    CHAPTER 48—MAINTENANCE OF
    MINIMUM ESSENTIAL COVERAGE
    Sec. 5000A. Requirement to maintain minimum essential coverage.
    17 SEC. 5000A. REQUIREMENT TO MAINTAIN MINIMUM ESSENTIAL COVERAGE.
    We will see.

    Can’t ever remember a “right” that I was forced to exercise.

30. #30
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:24 pm, dadinseattle said:

    Obamacare-A systematic effort to legalize permanently the seizing of individual choice and power from Americans, devised and negotiated in secret meetings for the advancement of the progressive redistributive agenda by an arrogant government against the will and consent of the citizenry in 2010.

    Ready for entry into the history books!

31. #31
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:48 pm, Veretax said:

    I’ve been trying to Call Nick Rahall’s office all afternoon, busy busy, and then i get an answering machine. Its clear this guy doesn’t care what West Virginian’s think.

32. #32
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:00 pm, Surveyor said:

    At the end of most Sections we see:

    AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.
    —There are authorized to be appropriated to carry out this section such sums as may be necessary for each of fiscal years…”

    I would like to get hold of that crystal ball the CBO has.

    Must be nice to see into the future.

33. #33
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:10 pm, Surveyor said:

    “Programs relating to Breast Health and Cancer”

    (C) the occurrence of breast cancer and the general and specific risk factors in women who may be at high risk for breast cancer based on familial, racial, ethnic, and cultural back grounds such as Ashkenazi Jewish populations;

    Did Schumer put that last line in?

    Seems like a strange example.
    Do Ashkenazi Jewish women have a higher rate?

    Chernobyl could be the only explanation.
    /sarc

34. #34
    On March 19th, 2010 at 11:21 am, cheapseat said:

    Just another example of the Charlie Rangel tax code. You peasants don’t need to know what the law is, we’ll tell you what it is! Give me your money, shut up, eat your gruel, and die on time so the next generation can have some gruel also.

35. #35
    On March 19th, 2010 at 11:58 am, judybeth said:

    The “historical massive govt takeover” of Americans’ healthcare is unconstitutional.

    Even meeting and “passing legislation on Sundays”, as this Obama Congress has in the past, is unconstitutional according to Article I! The Congress never met on Sundays even during WWII or the Vietnam War!

    Have your Senators and Reps even read the Constitution which they swore “to UPHOLD” when elected to office? How can Obama,Pelosi and Reid order Congress to meet and vote on Sundays.

    Provisions have been made to immediately begin collecting taxes from every citizen to fund the HC Bill the minute it is signed! Where are people going to get “more tax dollars”?

    It is unconscientionable and immoral that legislation that will approve my tax dollars to fund the ending of innocent life in the womb will be voted upon on the Sabbath.
    Overwhelmingly, Americans do not want to pay for abortions with tax dollars! That includes every major religious order in the World!

    Not even during WWII or the Vietnam War did Congress convene on Sundays. The President has ten days to sign any legislation, but Article I, Section 7, excludes Sundays.

    The SCOTUS has recognized various religions’s sacred days including Fridays for Muslims, Saturdays for Jews, and Sundays for Christians! Surprised? It is true! The POTUSA is “slapping us in the face” since he is amoral and has no specific moral barometer” by which to measure behavior!

    Additionally, the first 100 pages of the HC Bill are incomprehensible as posted online since I cannot refer back and forth to various Sections that “refer to” or “except as stated” or the “conflicting statements” which are amended (See Sec…?).

    What is Congress doing? Have they become obsolete due to the POTUSA’s socialists/communists Advisers? What do you think? How do his Adviserstake over their minds and common sense? They seem to have complete “mind control” over Congress! jb