The House vote on the Slaughter Solution: Update: Constitution-butchers prevail, 222-203; Roll call vote added; Calling out Dems Altmire, Lynch; Barone’s analysis added

By Michelle Malkin  •  March 18, 2010 01:56 PM


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You’ll recall that House Republicans unveiled a resolution two days ago that would force a vote on the Slaughter Solution and call out the Deem-and-Pass-ocrats.

The vote on that resolution had been anticipated at around 12:30-1pm Eastern this afternoon. The time came and went. The vote is now expected at around 2:00pm Eastern. Is Pelosi scrambling to make sure she can defeat it? I said yesterday on Hannity that there’s so much arm-wrestling in Washington right now it looks like a yoga convention.

We’ve graduated from yoga to full-scale WWE wrestle-mania.

Stay tuned…

Update 2:13pm Eastern. Ok, the vote is happening right now. House GOP source: “House voting NOW. A ‘yes’ vote on the previous question is a vote to authorize Speaker Pelosi to use the Slaughter Solution to ram ObamaCare through the House without an up-or-down vote. A ‘no’ vote on the PQ [previous question] is a vote against the Slaughter Solution. ”

Update 2:26pm Eastern. Final vote 222-203 with six not voting. Remember in November.

More from The Hill:

All Republican lawmakers who voted opposed the measure, which had the effect of ending the GOP’s effort to force a vote. They were joined by 28 Democrats, who broke with party members on the vote.

222 Democrats supported the measure, though, meaning enough to proceed. Three members of both parties did not vote.

Republicans had hoped for the separate vote to get Democratic lawmakers on record on the Senate bill, which includes some provisions on abortion, excise taxes, and other issues that House lawmakers find distasteful.

As this stand[s], Democrats plan a vote on a rule on Sunday that would make changes to the Senate-passed bill while deeming the original legislation to have passed the House.

Update 2:46pm Eastern. Here’s the roll call vote.

Those who didn’t vote:

Dem Ackerman
GOP Hastings (WA)
GOP Hoekstra
Dem Lofgren, Zoe
Dem Stark
GOP Westmoreland (Update: Was on his way to ICU for grandson, according to a constituent who contacted his office)

The 28 Dems who joined Republicans in opposing deem-and-pass cramdown:

Adler (NJ)
Arcuri
Boren
Bright
Carney
Childers
Cooper
Costello
Dahlkemper
Davis (AL)
Giffords
Herseth Sandlin
Holden
Kosmas
Kratovil
Lipinski
McIntyre
McNerney
Melancon
Michaud
Minnick
Mitchell
Nye
Perriello
Shuler
Stupak
Taylor
Teague

Question: Why did Democrats Jason Altmire and Stephen Lynch, who both have voiced public opposition to Deem-and-Pass tactics, support the Slaughter House resolution?

Jim Geraghty breaks out the vulnerable Dems including Altmire and Lynch who cast seppuku votes.

Ace of Spades: “I am getting really worried, because if 222 Democrats voted for this unconstitutional, very-unpopular maneuver, doesn’t that mean that all 222 will also vote for the bill itself? Why vote for this if you’re not going to vote for that?”

***

Update: From the GOP leader’s office…

Boehner: House Democrats Endorse “Slaughter Solution,” Vote to Protect Themselves Instead of Their Constituents

GOP Leader: “The ‘Slaughter Solution’ is nothing more than an incumbent protection program for Democrats afraid to stick their necks out because they know how much the American people oppose this bill.”

WASHINGTON, DC – House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) issued the following statement after House Democrats voted to authorize the use of the controversial “Slaughter Solution” to force a massive government takeover of health care through the House without voting on it:

“Today, House Democrats voted to protect themselves instead of their constituents, who are fed up with the lack of accountability and transparency in Washington. The ‘Slaughter Solution’ is nothing more than an incumbent protection program for Democrats afraid to stick their necks out because they know how much the American people oppose this bill. Speaker Pelosi, who promised to lead the ‘most honest, most open, and most ethical’ Congress in history, gave rank-and-file Democrats a chance to pass this job-killing monstrosity without actually voting on it and they jumped at the opportunity.

“This legislative trick has been around for a long time, but it’s never been used for a bill so controversial and so massive in scope. Republicans will continue to stand up for taxpayers and fight to ensure they get a clean, up-or-down vote on the Senate-passed health care bill. The American people won’t let House Democrats hide from this vote.”

NOTE: This “deem and enact” maneuver has been in existence since 1933, but used just six times in the history of the House of Representatives and never in this manner.

***

From WaPo:

The House voted 222-203 Thursday to set aside a resolution that would have required an up-or-down tally on the Senate health bill, halting a Republican effort to block Democrats’ preferred method for getting a reform measure through the chamber.

The resolution — offered by Democrat-turned-Republican Rep. Parker Griffith (Ala.) — would have prevented Democrats from using a “deem and pass” strategy to approve the Senate measure. Under this scenario, the House would “deem” the Senate bill passed when the chamber approves the rule governing debate for health care, and then would vote on a package of “fixes” to the Senate bill negotiated between the two chambers.

The bill to ensure an up-or-down vote on health care was itself denied an up-or-down vote. Technically, the House voted Thursday for “the previous question” — in favor of proceeding to a rule vote for the day’s calendar of bills. A vote against the previous question was a vote in support of bringing Griffith’s resolution up for its own roll call.

Though Democratic leaders urged their members to stick together, 28 Democrats joined every Republican present in voting to bring up Griffith’s resolution, but their effort failed.

***

Michael Barone at The Examiner
sifts through the roll call vote for signs:

An analysis of the votes cast for and against the rule, together with an examination of members’ public statements and political situations, suggests that the House leadership is still significantly short of 216 votes on final passage, and that opponents of the view have a reservoir of potential noes from more than the 38 Democrats needed to defeat the measure.

Read the whole thing.

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  1. #101
    On March 18th, 2010 at 5:15 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    so what’s next if this unconstitutional bill passes? Beck just covered the The Belavezha Accords..Times are scary…

  2. #102
    On March 18th, 2010 at 5:21 pm, d1carter said:

    We are witnessing the destruction of our Republic. God Save the USA!

  3. #104
    On March 18th, 2010 at 5:24 pm, rplatt said:

    Now Obama is running around pleading with house Democrats to save his presidency. Who cares about his damn presidency . . . it’s the American people that should be the sole concern of any governmental action. Perhaps we should change the words in Lincoln’s speech from “A government of the people, by the people, for the people” to ” A government of Obama, by Obama, for Obama.” This poor sick Republic is about to collapse from its own weight.

  4. #106
    On March 18th, 2010 at 5:41 pm, 24Klady said:

    If it’s a sure bet/slam dunk/decided issue – why did Odrama Queen put off his trip to Asia until June? Or did the real boss, Meanshelle, tell him she had a boatload of new clothes and she d#mn well was going to wear them?

    Unless the states can outmanoeuvre this coup it is going to be a done deal. Wonder what surprises are in store for next week? A new day, another crisis.

  5. #107
    On March 18th, 2010 at 5:45 pm, 24Klady said:

    d1carter #102
    God blesses those that help themselves and I’m thinking there are a whole bunch of people that will. Lines in the sand must be drawn at some point. I don’t know if this is the one where it’s drawn but there will be a day where it is.

  6. #108
    On March 18th, 2010 at 5:50 pm, love2rumba said:

    Meanshelle…

    Hey 24Klady…very appropriate!

  7. #109
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:04 pm, swede said:

    Conservative, concealed weapon carrying candidate 24Klady says

    Lines in the sand must be drawn

    You’d best not mess with this lady. Just sayin’.

    VOTE 24K! Or else…

    How’s that one? Catchy, no?

  8. #110
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:05 pm, spaceycakes said:

    24Klady said: outmanoeuvre

    whoomp! there it is!

  9. #111
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:08 pm, 24Klady said:

    love2rumba
    :)
    I’m thinking that somewhere in Indonesia there’s a great big pile of Kobe/wagyu beef going to waste, and a ton of arugula. Nothing but the best for a hometown boy.

  10. #112
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:09 pm, Blackstone said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:41 pm, Regulus said:

    The focus needs to shift to what we are prepared to do if/when the legal challenges fail.

    The Virginia legislature already provided the answer last week. Expect it to spread to the other states. If the Court says it’s out of their hands, then it’s in the hands of the states. And it’s long overdue.

  11. #114
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:11 pm, 24Klady said:

    swede – as my campaign manager you’ve got to keep it a secret I’m fond of my little toys. Shhhh!

  12. #116
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:19 pm, rambler said:

    Remember, these are the same people who argued with Roe v Wade, that the gov had no right to intrude on a woman’s right to make decisions concerning her own body, but now they want to intrude on all the medical decisions for the entire population. When they control all of health care, what will they really be forcing on us? Give me liberty of give me death!!!!

  13. #118
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:45 pm, maisy said:

    Amnesty on Drudge meets with Obama approval with RINO Grahamnestys help- and border open ala Napolitano- They are in a big hurry for Third World Country.

  14. #119
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:46 pm, 24Klady said:

    rambler
    Spot on…
    How does medical privacy laws fit into this equation when all records will be centralized on govn’t computers? Besides, we all know this isn’t healthcare. When they’ve continually raided Social Security and allowed the corruption in Medicare, they’re not serious. This is nothing more than a red herring and will be the biggest slush fund in history. Because we’re broke they’ll start raiding it from the 1st day taxes are collected and benefits will systematically be cut.

  15. #120
    On March 18th, 2010 at 7:03 pm, BOB said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 5:41 pm, 24Klady said:
    If it’s a sure bet/slam dunk/decided issue – why did Odrama Queen put off his trip to Asia until June? Or did the real boss, Meanshelle, tell him she had a boatload of new clothes and she d#mn well was going to wear them?

    It’s a trip to show the kids where Barry lived for a few years when he was Barry Soetoro. Their spring break may be over by the time the “ram down” is complete, so Barry’s putting the multi-million dollar boondoggle/vacation off until schools out for the summer.

  16. #121
    On March 18th, 2010 at 7:09 pm, BOB said:

    The reason a Dem would vote for the “DEEM” rule but maybe not for the actual bill is because with the deem rule they can tell their constituents they didn’t vote for healthcare.

    A technicality I am sure they will use.

  17. #122
    On March 18th, 2010 at 7:11 pm, docflash said:

    Check out Chet Edwards TX website.He was a strong no yesterday.I see he voted for this today.

  18. #124
    On March 18th, 2010 at 7:46 pm, rocketman said:

    ***
    “Democrat” / liberal / socialist / statist / marxist / communist Comrade Obama (PBUH) and his congressional ilk can run now–but they can’t hide from the coming 2010 and 2012 elections.
    ***
    And when the ObamaCare bill passes they will ram through the C**P AND TAX and SHAMNESTY bills through–quickly–before the 2010 election.
    ***
    But the damage their actions will keep doing to our economy and higher unemployment numbers will be obvious to all. Wait until those making much less than 240K a year notice another 10 percent missing from their checks. And just wait for the 2010 tax year returns to be filled out by those who still have jobs. A giant WHAT THE F**K cry will go up then–and The Messiah’s numbers will look like Congress’s do now.
    ***
    Party down commies–TSUNAMI COMING!
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  19. #127
    On March 18th, 2010 at 8:23 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:45 pm, maisy said:

    Amnesty on Drudge meets with Obama approval with RINO Grahamnestys help- and border open ala Napolitano- They are in a big hurry for Third World Country.

    This caught my eye, too. (The long-awaited framework, written by Sens. Charles E. Schumer, New York Democrat, and Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Republican, calls for illegal immigrants to be put on a path to citizenship…)

    I wonder if Dirty Harry ever does political work?

  20. #129
    On March 18th, 2010 at 9:24 pm, DBNinKY said:

    I’ve accepted it. They’re going to pass it; they’re going to pass this tragic health care bill. And there’s no amount of reasoning or debate that will stop them.They’re going to spend $940B (low-balling it, at best!) to save $138B and maybe – MAYBE – insure ~19 million people.

    It’s unreal. It’s a travesty. It’s the Democrat way.

  21. #131
    On March 18th, 2010 at 9:37 pm, jangar said:

    My congresscritter, who was the leader of the blue dogs to oppose such a bill, has now flipped to the dark side. Mike Ross is a dirt bag and sell out.

  22. #134
    On March 18th, 2010 at 10:25 pm, Random63 said:

    There are many ways to fight back. Calling and writing our Congress just doesn’t work anymore. They won’t listen. Pretty soon, our elections won’t work anymore as I think many of us will find out in November.
    There are personal ways to fight back. I would suggest listening to this podcast called, Individual Revolution and Freedom. It’s done by a gentleman named Jack Spirko and gives a pretty good path on how to individually resist this oligarchy in Washington. You can find the podcast at http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/episode-391-individual-reveloution-and-freedom
    Be safe and well all.

  23. #135
    On March 18th, 2010 at 10:26 pm, Random63 said:

    Another way to fight is to withdrawal all that you can from your bank. Just keep the minimum you need to pay your bills. Starve the banks and you will starve the government.

  24. #138
    On March 18th, 2010 at 11:15 pm, jrgdds said:

    Rep. Bart Gordon (D. TN)
    E-mail Yes vote

    Dear JRG,

    Knowing your interest in health care reform legislation, I wanted to share with you how I plan to vote on the final health care reform package.

    The health care bill being considered by Congress now accomplishes three things: one, it reduces health care costs for families and small businesses; two, it improves access to affordable care, regardless of pre-existing conditions; three, it lowers our budget deficit. That’s why I am supporting it.

    Over the past year, I have been contacted by thousands of Middle Tennesseans with opinions on health care. Because this issue is so important, I have heard from passionate voices on all sides through face-to-face meetings, call-ins, surveys, town halls, calls and letters.

    During that time, I have consistently said I would not support any version of health care reform unless it brings down rising health care costs, improves access to affordable care, and does it all without adding one nickel to the national deficit. I’ve now been presented with a bill that does all three; in fact, this proposal reduces the deficit by $130 billion over the next 10 years and $1.2 trillion in the 10 years after that. Finding solutions to the problems we face has been challenging, but we simply cannot sustain the status quo any longer.

    I’ve heard from many Tennesseans in the past year who are struggling to afford health care. Since 2000, health insurance premiums for the average family have doubled. Too many hard-working families and small businesses are getting priced out of needed health care.

    There is no evidence this trend of escalating costs is moderating. If no reform is passed, the average family premium in Tennessee is expected to increase from $11,550 today to $19,700 in 2019. Hundreds of thousands of Tennesseans who currently have insurance are projected to lose their coverage. Small businesses that have stretched their budgets to cover employees will be forced to either cut care or cut staff. If we do nothing, local hospitals that are already struggling to accommodate uninsured patients through emergency room care and other resources will be stretched to the breaking point; some will likely go bankrupt.

    Drawing from Republican and Democratic ideas, the bill before the House now has the potential to bring about major, commonsense remedies to our system that most all Tennesseans agree are necessary. Under the bill’s reforms, Tennesseans with preexisting conditions like heart disease, diabetes and cancer would be able to purchase insurance from any insurance company in the United States. Young adults would be able to remain on their parents’ policies until they turn 26. Families in financial trouble would receive tax breaks to help them find affordable insurance plans in the private sector. And finally, for the 109,000 seniors in my district, the bill would eliminate the Part D donut hole and extend Medicare’s solvency nine years, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

    Growing health care costs are also straining our economy and increasing our national debt. Health care expenditures now account for 20 percent of the federal budget. Without reform, that number is projected to double in the next ten years. The Congressional Budget Office calls current federal spending on health care “the single greatest threat to budget stability.” These costs must be contained if we are to get serious about cutting our national debt. I voted against the House bill in November because that version didn’t do enough to address health care inflation. The Congressional Budget Office now says the current bill will address the problem by reducing the deficit.

    With this bill, we have an opportunity to address a number of inefficiencies that have drained our system and driven costs up artificially. To begin with, we can address the pressing issue of frivolous and expensive malpractice lawsuits, which force doctors and hospitals to practice defensive medicine and put a huge financial burden on the system. That’s why I introduced a measure based on Tennessee’s own successful Certificate of Merit Program, which has already brought down the number of malpractice suits in Tennessee by 60 percent.

    We can attack waste, fraud and abuse in Medicare. We can hold insurance companies accountable and prevent companies from hiking premiums arbitrarily and dropping patients when they get sick. These are the measures I believe are essential to sensible reform, and these are the measures the new bill includes.

    In November, I said I hoped the Senate and House could work out the difference and produce a bill I could support – one that takes responsible steps to make health care more affordable for our economy and for our families and small businesses. If I and each of my 534 colleagues in Congress had been able to write our own health reform packages, we would be looking at 535 different bills today. In the end, the question I’m faced with is this: will this reform be better for Middle Tennessee than the status quo? I think it will. That’s why I believe passing meaningful health care reform is essential and why I have made my decision to help ensure health care is affordable for Middle Tennesseans today and for generations to come.

    Stay in touch,
    BART GORDON
    Member of Congress

  25. #139
    On March 19th, 2010 at 2:14 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Is anybody looking at the very optimistic vote analysis by Michael Barone that MM tagged onto the end of her commentary???

    Barone is a serious pro at this sort of thing, unlike many of the careless hacks who are bandying around their glum opinions. Barone’s analysis, as it appears on the Examiner’s website, is very detailed. And it is timestamped 5:21 p.m. Thursday so should be very current.

    But an hour and half later the Fox All-Stars were all but calling this thing. The estimable Dr. Krauthammer was especially outspoken in accepting defeat. This annoys me a lot. Everybody respects Dr. K but he is not a Capitol Hill nose counter and he should be more reserved in his opinions. Of course, he was speaking with the official Fox numbers in hand, which looked very bad. But, frankly, I have a lot more confidence in a detailed breakdown that comes along with the reputation of somebody like Barone than I do something put together by some anonymous desk man at Fox.

    To net it out, no one knows what the outcome will be. But the endgame depends very much on perceptions. Fox has no darn business indulging in a lot of highly negative speculation when we most need folks to make a last 72-hour push.

  26. #140
    On March 19th, 2010 at 2:28 am, mattm said:

    I just caught Howard Dean say “I don’t think people like to be told what to do in their personal lives, but this is this is not a gov’t takeover of health care. That’s just a plain lie. They were told to say that by a GOP Spinmeister. And I hope we win this. And I hope the Republicans learn the American people respect the truth instead of making stuff every 5 mins because Spinmeaistes tell you to do it that way.” This was on Rachel Maddow’s show on PMSNBC. I didn’t catch the original question.

  27. #141
    On March 19th, 2010 at 2:31 am, mattm said:

    Howard Dean added…”If this thing passes, which I think it will by a narrow margin. …. Ten days from now, the polls will show the majority of people are supportive.

  28. #142
    On March 19th, 2010 at 2:44 am, frontierguy said:

    I unfortunately think this monstrosity of a bill will pass, but I think it will be tied up in the courts for a long, long time. That is the only thing giving me hope, cause it sho ain’t the Obama, Pelosi, Reid trifecta of horror.

  29. #146
    On March 19th, 2010 at 7:47 am, kilroyshere said:

    America’s bankruptcy papers are in the Dems hands.

    ___‹^›__‹(•¿•)›__‹^›___

  30. #147
    On March 19th, 2010 at 7:48 am, Hannibal said:

    #140 On March 19th, 2010 at 2:28 am, mattm said:

    ….And I hope the Republicans learn the American people respect the truth instead of making stuff every 5 mins because Spinmeaistes tell you to do it that way.” This was on Rachel Maddow’s show on PMSNBC. I didn’t catch the original question.

    I think Maddow’s original question was,”Did it look like Dennis Kucinich’s fly was down when he came down the steps of Air Force One?”

  31. #148
    On March 19th, 2010 at 7:55 am, pabarge said:

    Bill O’Reilly said last night that the Dems had decided not to use the Slaughter Solution.

    WTF?

  32. #149
    On March 19th, 2010 at 8:02 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    I think Maddow’s original question was,”Did it look like Dennis Kucinich’s fly was down when he came down the steps of Air Force One?”

    Bingo!

  33. #150
    On March 19th, 2010 at 8:21 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Bill O’Reilly said last night that the Dems had decided not to use the Slaughter Solution.

    But Bill O’Reilly doesn’t know his a$$ from first base. He does, however, feel the need to puff himself up with bold assertions. Occasionally, he is correct, but it is pure happenstance.

  34. #151
    On March 19th, 2010 at 8:41 am, jamesgreenidge said:

    More Goodies from Obama the “Candyman” (1960′s usage) coming!

    Remember those goodies waiting in the wings Nancy promised once ObamaCare has passed? Keystone for the 2nd Obama term WILL be Nationalized Free Public Housing. No apartment building “projects, but houses with lawns and backyards — just like many of you all sweated out to earn. Great message to youth. Why work??

    Too bad more people just couldn’t hold their noses back when!

    James Greenidge
    Queens New York

  35. #152
    On March 19th, 2010 at 8:58 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    How the hell did they squeeze in Nationalizing Student loans into this bill? What the hell was wrong with banks and credit unions making those loans? Why do the taxpayers have to be on the hook for yet another massive pile of debt? That a lot of will be defaulted on.

    Every time we turn around this bastard has another socialist surprise up his sleeve.

  36. #153
    On March 19th, 2010 at 8:58 am, stillontheroad said:

    Can you hear that sound DemoRats? That slightly audible roaring sound that is a constant rumble in your ears? That is the sound of inevitability you traitorous turd worms. And that sound is a harbinger of your demise come November. Get used to riding on a rail.

  37. #154
    On March 19th, 2010 at 9:08 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 11:15 pm, jrgdds said:

    Rep. Bart Gordon (D. TN)
    E-mail Yes vote

    Dear JRG,

    Knowing your interest in health care reform legislation, I wanted to share with you how I plan to vote on the final health care reform package.

    The health care bill being considered by Congress now accomplishes three things: one, it reduces health care costs for families and small businesses; two, it improves access to affordable care, regardless of pre-existing conditions; three, it lowers our budget deficit. That’s why I am supporting it.

    Does this moron who represents Tennessee actually BELIEVE that? This sounds like all Dems need to vote is the cover of some b&^&*@it report.

    It won’t lower healthcare costs…. it raises them.

    It won’t make health care more accessible. It will make health care harder to get for everyone. 30% of doctors say they will consider leaving the profession if this passes. Then roll in Walgreens and others dropping out of medicaid plans for newcomers? It’s going to get very difficult. We’ll be just like the UK.

    It won’t lower the deficit. The CBO report is based on a bunch of crap they were fed.

    This dipsh&^ from Tenn needs a new line of work if A) He believes what he saids, or B) He knows this is BS and voting for it anyway because of the deal Tennessee got from Obama.

    America’s pure hatred for these people is growing at a rapid pace.

  38. #155
    On March 19th, 2010 at 9:34 am, nail49 said:

    On Fox last night Charles Krauthammer made a good point.

    To wit, the HealthCr@p Bill is allegedly going to lower the deficit by $138B in the first decade. He then noted that the federal deficit in February was $221B.

    So, this monstrosity of a bill is going to save less than the gubmint’s deficit spending in just the first 18 days of last month?!?!

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2010/03/us-federal-budget-deficit-february-record.html

  39. #156
    On March 19th, 2010 at 9:59 am, cabrerski said:

    On March 19th, 2010 at 8:58 am, stillontheroad said:
    Can you hear that sound DemoRats?

    I am hoping that it is the sound of tar bubbling at a slow boil, the sound of feathers rustling, the sound of rope being tied into nooses, the sounds of rounds being chambered…or at least, the sounds of the majority getting their ballots ready for November.

  40. #158
    On March 19th, 2010 at 9:19 pm, Jim M. said:

    The Slaughter Rule?

    coup d’é·tat   /ˌku deɪˈtɑ; Fr. ku deɪˈta/ Show Spelled[koo dey-tah; Fr. koo dey-ta] Show IPA
    –noun,pluralcoups d’é·tat  /ˌku deɪˈtɑz; Fr. ku deɪˈta/ Show Spelled[koo dey-tahz; Fr. koo dey-ta] Show IPA.
    a sudden and decisive action in politics, esp. one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force.

    Is ignoring the Constitution to subvert the rules in order to pass the unpassable not a takeover?

    We have seen all manner of coups throughout history, from violent bloody power plays to bloodless ones. But this appears to be a new version -a coups of cowards. Perpetrated by those who wish to remain anonomyous while using their new found power to defy the will of the voters.

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