The House vote on the Slaughter Solution: Update: Constitution-butchers prevail, 222-203; Roll call vote added; Calling out Dems Altmire, Lynch; Barone’s analysis added

By Michelle Malkin  •  March 18, 2010 01:56 PM


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You’ll recall that House Republicans unveiled a resolution two days ago that would force a vote on the Slaughter Solution and call out the Deem-and-Pass-ocrats.

The vote on that resolution had been anticipated at around 12:30-1pm Eastern this afternoon. The time came and went. The vote is now expected at around 2:00pm Eastern. Is Pelosi scrambling to make sure she can defeat it? I said yesterday on Hannity that there’s so much arm-wrestling in Washington right now it looks like a yoga convention.

We’ve graduated from yoga to full-scale WWE wrestle-mania.

Stay tuned…

Update 2:13pm Eastern. Ok, the vote is happening right now. House GOP source: “House voting NOW. A ‘yes’ vote on the previous question is a vote to authorize Speaker Pelosi to use the Slaughter Solution to ram ObamaCare through the House without an up-or-down vote. A ‘no’ vote on the PQ [previous question] is a vote against the Slaughter Solution. ”

Update 2:26pm Eastern. Final vote 222-203 with six not voting. Remember in November.

More from The Hill:

All Republican lawmakers who voted opposed the measure, which had the effect of ending the GOP’s effort to force a vote. They were joined by 28 Democrats, who broke with party members on the vote.

222 Democrats supported the measure, though, meaning enough to proceed. Three members of both parties did not vote.

Republicans had hoped for the separate vote to get Democratic lawmakers on record on the Senate bill, which includes some provisions on abortion, excise taxes, and other issues that House lawmakers find distasteful.

As this stand[s], Democrats plan a vote on a rule on Sunday that would make changes to the Senate-passed bill while deeming the original legislation to have passed the House.

Update 2:46pm Eastern. Here’s the roll call vote.

Those who didn’t vote:

Dem Ackerman
GOP Hastings (WA)
GOP Hoekstra
Dem Lofgren, Zoe
Dem Stark
GOP Westmoreland (Update: Was on his way to ICU for grandson, according to a constituent who contacted his office)

The 28 Dems who joined Republicans in opposing deem-and-pass cramdown:

Adler (NJ)
Arcuri
Boren
Bright
Carney
Childers
Cooper
Costello
Dahlkemper
Davis (AL)
Giffords
Herseth Sandlin
Holden
Kosmas
Kratovil
Lipinski
McIntyre
McNerney
Melancon
Michaud
Minnick
Mitchell
Nye
Perriello
Shuler
Stupak
Taylor
Teague

Question: Why did Democrats Jason Altmire and Stephen Lynch, who both have voiced public opposition to Deem-and-Pass tactics, support the Slaughter House resolution?

Jim Geraghty breaks out the vulnerable Dems including Altmire and Lynch who cast seppuku votes.

Ace of Spades: “I am getting really worried, because if 222 Democrats voted for this unconstitutional, very-unpopular maneuver, doesn’t that mean that all 222 will also vote for the bill itself? Why vote for this if you’re not going to vote for that?”

***

Update: From the GOP leader’s office…

Boehner: House Democrats Endorse “Slaughter Solution,” Vote to Protect Themselves Instead of Their Constituents

GOP Leader: “The ‘Slaughter Solution’ is nothing more than an incumbent protection program for Democrats afraid to stick their necks out because they know how much the American people oppose this bill.”

WASHINGTON, DC – House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) issued the following statement after House Democrats voted to authorize the use of the controversial “Slaughter Solution” to force a massive government takeover of health care through the House without voting on it:

“Today, House Democrats voted to protect themselves instead of their constituents, who are fed up with the lack of accountability and transparency in Washington. The ‘Slaughter Solution’ is nothing more than an incumbent protection program for Democrats afraid to stick their necks out because they know how much the American people oppose this bill. Speaker Pelosi, who promised to lead the ‘most honest, most open, and most ethical’ Congress in history, gave rank-and-file Democrats a chance to pass this job-killing monstrosity without actually voting on it and they jumped at the opportunity.

“This legislative trick has been around for a long time, but it’s never been used for a bill so controversial and so massive in scope. Republicans will continue to stand up for taxpayers and fight to ensure they get a clean, up-or-down vote on the Senate-passed health care bill. The American people won’t let House Democrats hide from this vote.”

NOTE: This “deem and enact” maneuver has been in existence since 1933, but used just six times in the history of the House of Representatives and never in this manner.

***

From WaPo:

The House voted 222-203 Thursday to set aside a resolution that would have required an up-or-down tally on the Senate health bill, halting a Republican effort to block Democrats’ preferred method for getting a reform measure through the chamber.

The resolution — offered by Democrat-turned-Republican Rep. Parker Griffith (Ala.) — would have prevented Democrats from using a “deem and pass” strategy to approve the Senate measure. Under this scenario, the House would “deem” the Senate bill passed when the chamber approves the rule governing debate for health care, and then would vote on a package of “fixes” to the Senate bill negotiated between the two chambers.

The bill to ensure an up-or-down vote on health care was itself denied an up-or-down vote. Technically, the House voted Thursday for “the previous question” — in favor of proceeding to a rule vote for the day’s calendar of bills. A vote against the previous question was a vote in support of bringing Griffith’s resolution up for its own roll call.

Though Democratic leaders urged their members to stick together, 28 Democrats joined every Republican present in voting to bring up Griffith’s resolution, but their effort failed.

***

Michael Barone at The Examiner
sifts through the roll call vote for signs:

An analysis of the votes cast for and against the rule, together with an examination of members’ public statements and political situations, suggests that the House leadership is still significantly short of 216 votes on final passage, and that opponents of the view have a reservoir of potential noes from more than the 38 Democrats needed to defeat the measure.

Read the whole thing.

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  1. #1
    On March 18th, 2010 at 1:58 pm, tonyr951 said:

    Is it just me or does it seem they are making this up as they go along?

  2. #2
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:01 pm, nlebou said:

    No. Not just you.

  3. #3
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:04 pm, RedDog said:

    HAHAHAHA….. These crooks have cooked their own goose. What maroons.

  4. #4
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:06 pm, babiesgrandma said:

    Deem-and-pAss-o-crats

  5. #5
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:12 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Is Pelosi scrambling to make sure she can defeat it?

    Conference call with Hugo and Fidel to discuss Robert’s Rules of Order.

  6. #6
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:20 pm, rambler said:

    Megan Kelly just has a congressman on slamming Pelosi. It was refreshing to hear his words.

  7. #7
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:22 pm, Vntnrse said:

    count is yes 221 to no 203 exclusively along party lines

  8. #8
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:24 pm, Flyoverman said:

    By introducing this resolution the Republicans are asking the Democrats, “Do you still beat your wife.”

    If they do not vote on the resolution, vote down the resolution, or subsequently vote to support the Slaughter approach it confirms that they are slimy politicians flaunting the Constitution they took an oath to protect and defend.

    If they vote to not use the Slaughter approach, it takes a big weapon out of their arsenal.

    Good move Republicans.

  9. #9
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:27 pm, Hangfire said:

    I love it when the Republicans show some guts. I just hate that it’s always 4th and goal.

  10. #10
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:30 pm, NJRepublican said:

    So clearly all the Dems have no trouble with the process. How did Altmire vote? He told Hannity he had a problem with the process.

  11. #11
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:30 pm, Ron said:

    Not much news here. Just tells Va and a few others to get their lawsuits ready to go…

  12. #12
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:33 pm, tarpon said:

    Deem-O-Crats a polite name for tyranny.

  13. #13
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:33 pm, Darksean said:

    Does this mean they have the same amount of votes to pass this mess?

  14. #14
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:34 pm, NJRepublican said:

    Hangfire – I agree with that 4th and goal. It brings me back to my days as a Giants fan before they finally won the Superbowl. Oh the times I cursed Phil Simms!

  15. #15
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:35 pm, Vntnrse said:

    As far as I know there is no specific vote totals yet, so we don’t know precisely how any one rep voted just yet.

  16. #16
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:39 pm, jlhudg23 said:

    Michelle, we need a link to the roll call on this vote!!! (assuming the feckless fools allowed a roll call…}

  17. #17
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:41 pm, Regulus said:

    No surprise. None at all.

    There’s no way that donkey-care is going to be stopped. Doesn’t matter what the Republicans do. Doesn’t matter what the American People say. Nothing matters but “The Will to Power,” and that’s all the donks care about.

    This particular battle is lost. The focus needs to shift to what we are prepared to do if/when the legal challenges fail.

  18. #18
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:46 pm, letget said:

    I sure hope the 222 number isn’t saying they will vote yes on this bill. Why would that number not vote with r’s not to use the slaughter rule?
    L

  19. #19
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:47 pm, RedDog said:

    I really did not think they would actually have the gall do it. Using a technical housekeeping rule to circumvent the Constitution. Unbelieveable. Neo-Bolsheviks are in control of our government. This is indeed a soft coup.

  20. #20
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:49 pm, John Deaux said:

    SPENGLER:
    I think he’s saying that since we’re about to be sacrificed anyway, we get to choose the form we want him to take.

    I guess the Dems chose the appropriately named “Slaughter Strategy”.

    The Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man could not be reached for comment.

  21. #21
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:50 pm, Jvette said:

    A sign of the vote to come?

  22. #22
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:50 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Reading this assessment of the constitutionality of the Slaughter rule suggests to me that its constitutionality rests on this statement:

    “I don’t think courts would be too quick to declare such a move unconstitutional,” Adler said. More likely, judges would declare the matter a “nonjusticiable political question,” he said.

    In other words, if the Republicans refuse to declare it to be unconstitutional, then politically there is no constitutional issue since it is just a difference of opinion on process.

    But if the Republicans (particularly if joined by some Dems and others) declare it to be unconstitutional, doesn’t that make it a “justiciable political question”?

    I don’t know. Just askin’.

  23. #23
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:50 pm, Hangfire said:

    BASTARDS!

  24. #24
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:53 pm, orlandocajun said:

    The only problem I have with this is that they’re making it so easy for the GOP in November, we may get stuck with a bunch of RINOs to replace them. Conservatives and Republicans will vote GOP no matter who runs.

  25. #25
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:55 pm, TigerLady said:

    Hangfire, calling them bastards doesn’t begin to cover it.

  26. #26
    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:55 pm, Zippy_Slug said:

    What does it take for someone to be brought of on treason charges? Blatant ignoring of the Constitution apparently isn’t enough.

  27. #27
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:00 pm, Joy said:

    Demon-pass describes it better…

  28. #28
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:03 pm, chicagojedi said:

    Grab your ammunition people. Tyranny is here.

  29. #29
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:04 pm, Hangfire said:

    TREASON! BASTARDS!

  30. #30
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:05 pm, RedDog said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:50 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
    …In other words, if the Republicans refuse to declare it to be unconstitutional, then politically there is no constitutional issue since it is just a difference of opinion on process.

    But if the Republicans (particularly if joined by some Dems and others) declare it to be unconstitutional, doesn’t that make it a “justiciable political question”?

    I don’t know. Just askin’.

    No. That’s what the Landmark suit addresses. This is a clear violation of the Constitution whether anyone objects or not. You cannot have an unreconciled bill going to the President for the purpose of instituting legislation. Reconciliation was set up for minor housekeeping points. Were the Congress allowed to get away with this, they would never have to reconcile another bill. It effectively neuters mandatory Constitutional requirements.

    http://landmarklegal.org/uploads/Landmark%20Complaint%20(00013086-2).pdf

  31. #31
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:11 pm, Roland said:

    But if the Republicans (particularly if joined by some Dems and others) declare it to be unconstitutional, doesn’t that make it a “justiciable political question”?

    No. The Court will stay out of it even if they can clearly see it is unconstitutional, leaving the decision about the constitutionality of the move up to Congress and the Voters.

    Since neither Congress nor most of the Voters give a rat’s rear end about the Constitution any more, we’re screwed.

    222 slimeballs voted for it. That means that as a practical matter Obamacare will become the law of the land. None of those votes are going to change.

  32. #32
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:18 pm, Roland said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:03 pm, chicagojedi said:
    Grab your ammunition people. Tyranny is here.

    Not yet. Not by a long shot. The People still have the power to throw the bums out.

    If the People don’t do it, then the People will get exactly what they deserve ….. which is not freedom.

  33. #33
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:19 pm, Hangfire said:

    TREASON! BASTARDS! LEMMINGS!

  34. #34
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:21 pm, Laree said:

    They can’t be serious? They really think that this Will Stand? Really?

    When they fall it will be hard and so loud it will be heard around the world.

  35. #35
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:21 pm, NJRepublican said:

    FYI, I spoke with a TN Congressman’s office (don’t remember which one) on Monday and was told they are not using the Slaughter rule. I asked if she was sure because all the talk on the Sunday shows made it sound like it was being seriously considered. She assured me it was not going to be used.

    It’s been bugging me all week. I think they’ve been using it as a distraction.

  36. #36
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:22 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Jim Geraghty breaks out the vulnerable Dems including Altmire and Lynch who cast seppuku votes.

    If only seppuku was something these poulardic poltroons would actually embrace!

  37. #37
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:24 pm, nail49 said:

    I just hate that it’s always 4th and goal.

    Hangfire: And the ball is always backed up to at least their own 10!

  38. #38
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:27 pm, mytake said:

    All democrats, regardless of whether they voted for this or not should suffer in November. They stood by and let it happen. We are watching Glenn Nye!

  39. #39
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:28 pm, Little Ma said:

    NOW can we send in the Marines?

  40. #40
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:28 pm, spaceycakes said:

    I’m on your side! I hate Godzilla! I hate him too! I hate him! He destroys cities! *Please*! This isn’t your fault. I’ll get you some pants.

  41. #41
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:37 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:28 pm, Little Ma said:

    NOW can we send in the Marines?

    I’m thinking that treason won’t really help anything. Military dictatorships don’t tend to lean conservative.

  42. #42
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:40 pm, nail49 said:

    a vote on the Slaughter Solution

    So, the DemocRATS are courageous enough to vote to tear up the Constitution, but they don’t have the cajones to vote on the HealthCr*p Bill?

    This IS Bizzaro world!

  43. #43
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:46 pm, T-Bone said:

    222 slimeballs voted for it.

    Supported by 150 million slimeball citizens.

  44. #44
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:47 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    If only seppuku was something these poulardic poltroons would actually embrace!

    This would require honor and a sense of accountability.

  45. #45
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:50 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    Every GOP talking head needs to use the phrase “bi-partisan opposition” everytime they speak to the media about this crap.

  46. #46
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:51 pm, battleaxe said:

    “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

    I see 222 people that have broken this oath and need to be immediately removed from office.

  47. #47
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:56 pm, Regulus said:

    Question: Why did Democrats Jason Altmire and Stephen Lynch, who both have voiced public opposition to Deem-and-Pass tactics, support the Slaughter House resolution?

    You answered the question when you asked it.

    Ace of Spades: “I am getting really worried, because if 222 Democrats voted for this unconstitutional, very-unpopular maneuver, doesn’t that mean that all 222 will also vote for the bill itself? Why vote for this if you’re not going to vote for that?”

    BINGO!

  48. #48
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:56 pm, spaceycakes said:

    I see 222 people that have broken this oath and need to be immediately removed from office.

    battleaxe–they had their sticky fingers crossed.

    pffffffffffft…and they don’t believe in that ‘so help me God’ part.

  49. #49
    On March 18th, 2010 at 3:59 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Some of the Dem no votes may have been a result of a whip count and Pelosi letting a few extra-vulnerable Demonrats off the hook.

    But yeah, if this passed, clearly, they’ll pass their wish list for changes that may never get enacted by the Senate to hell care and deem the Senate bill passed.

  50. #50
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:01 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Vote them all out

  51. #51
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:02 pm, Thors_Hammer said:

    I’m on my way out to lower my flag to half mast.

  52. #52
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:05 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    Cavuto has the speed reader back on…

    This is absolute tyranny. When does the 2nd revolution start?

  53. #53
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:06 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Jim Geraghty breaks out the vulnerable Dems including Altmire and Lynch who cast seppuku votes.

    Sorry, but this bugs me. As I understand it, Seppuku is a ritual act that shows a responsibility for a failure of some kind, and is something of an atonement in the Samurai ethic. Hara Kiri is a term for suicide that does not embody any of that. Westerners want to use the “correct” term Seppuku – which would always have been used by a Samurai – but Hara Kiri will do for these people since no honor or responsibility toward failure is shown by any of them.
    Anyway, I’m not a Japanese expert, but that’s how I understand the terms.

  54. #54
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:09 pm, Southpaw said:

    Sound familiar?:

    “The king enriched himself and his regime through the economic institution of mercantilism, defined by Murray Rothbard as “a system of statism which employed economic fallacy to build up a structure of imperial state power, as well as special subsidy and monopolistic privilege to individuals or groups favored by the state.”

    Traitors to the American Revolution
    by Thomas J. DiLorenzo

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo107.html

  55. #55
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:09 pm, emjem24 said:

    If this head fake, whip count, whatever label applies is a predictor of success for Dems on Sunday, then the following will happen:

    1. I’m no longer under any impression that we live in a Republic.

    2. Civic participation no longer matters when the ignorant and the lazy can become the largest constituency in this country.

    3. I will not buy a home. This is the same crap happening in public education, and, as a former educator, I’m not going to turn a blind eye to what’s going on in schools with my tax dollars.

    4. Whatever future I planned with my husand, such as having a child, will be for naught. There will be no future for my child, or for me or my husband. I will not have my child grow up in a place like this.

    5. I will do everything to resist this new entitlement. That means… not having a child or buying a home or giving the State more reasons to tax me any more than it already does.

    6. Since this country will collapse because of the enormous financial burden such a new entitlement will place on this country, I will investigate my options.

    I don’t mean to be all defeatist but such a vote is telling and if regular, uninvolved, casual voters don’t rise up against this then there isn’t much we can do.

    Bring on the lawsuits and legal challenges.

  56. #56
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:11 pm, battleaxe said:

    As I understand it – since both houses have now “passed” the senate bill, it doesn’t go to conference because no changes were made by the House before the vote. If Obamapoo signs it, it’s law. No further deliberation is necessary, right?

  57. #57
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:11 pm, Regulus said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:53 pm, orlandocajun said:

    The only problem I have with this is that they’re making it so easy for the GOP in November, we may get stuck with a bunch of RINOs to replace them. Conservatives and Republicans will vote GOP no matter who runs.

    What’s your proposed alternative? Third-party fantasy, a.k.a. donkey victory by forfeiture? Take your ball and go home in November, leading to the same result?

    The Domestic Enemy have unmasked themselves. The Republicans have (finally) united against them. There’s a clear choice to be made.

    Evil vs. imperfection is not “lesser of two evils.” Nor is consistent evil vs. occasional foolishness a choice between “evils.”

    We will have one chance in November to end the donkey majority in the House, thereby ending the donks ability to do even more damage until we can take out Hope-a-Dope in 2012. It’s a good chance, provided we don’t screw it up.

  58. #58
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:13 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    This was the real hell care vote, the most vulnerable (and favored) Demonrats, after the whip count, will be given permission to vote no on this, and the wish list will pass with just two or three votes.

    BTW, this might give some ammunition to enemies of the Constitution that by having a recorded vote in which they declared that passing a bill with a wish list of changes to hell care, they fulfilled the requirement.

    The Mark Levin strategy may not be as effective as individuals convicted of not buying insurance (who would definitely have standing, but would have to start at the bottom as far as court appeals go), or the State AGs 10th Amendment challenges. They might have the benefit of a faster track to SCOTUS.

    In the meantime, look for Obama to play games with states opposing hell care, not signing emergency declarations after disasters, maybe trying to disrupt government funds for health care related spending, declaring public land in those states as landmarks, like Clinton did to the Escalante lands that held huge treasures of anthracite. The Chicago Way.

    I mean, either some little fish in the Sacramento River basin was or wasn’t endangered, and they had no problems destroying the Central California agricultural industry, but for two House votes suddenly the Valley can have water again.

    Who knows what the EPA will declare endangered in states that don’t roll over for Obama Care.

    Peaceful resolution of this seems less likely everyday.

  59. #59
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:16 pm, Wayfaring Stranger said:

    Ace of Spades posted further thoughts on what this vote may or may not mean with regard to the final vote on the bill.

  60. #60
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:19 pm, Wayfaring Stranger said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:11 pm, battleaxe said:

    …since both houses have now “passed” the senate bill…

    Not yet. It was a vote against the GOP’s effort to force an up or down vote on the Senate bill. Slaughter’s rule hasn’t been employed – yet. That’s what the Sunday vote is for – at high noon. :roll:

  61. #61
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:21 pm, orlandocajun said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:11 pm, Regulus said: What’s your proposed alternative? Third-party fantasy, a.k.a. donkey victory by forfeiture? Take your ball and go home in November, leading to the same result?

    I failed to convey my point adequately. Of course I’d vote for a RINO over another socialist. My point was that RINOs may be our only choice instead of real conservatives. In other words, if the GOP think that they’re 20 points ahead in public opinion, they may just serve up nothing but RINOs.

  62. #62
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:22 pm, regularguy said:

    If the dems who didn’t vote for this don’t immediately renounce their affiliation with the Democrat party, they deserve the bloodbath this fall as well. They’re not off our hook, either. They just simply didn’t have the guts to stand with their party on this one and wanted to appear to be opposed. Pelousi let them off her hook because she knew she had the needed votes anyway.

  63. #63
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:22 pm, nail49 said:

    I’m on my way out to lower my flag to half mast.

    Thors_Hammer: Suggest you run Old Glory back up the flagpole, but upside down!

  64. #64
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:25 pm, Roland said:

    4. Whatever future I planned with my husand, such as having a child, will be for naught. There will be no future for my child, or for me or my husband. I will not have my child grow up in a place like this.

    Don’t get carried away. As dark as things are right now, and even with the storm clouds fast approaching, the prospects for happiness in our lives and the lives of any children we have are still far better and more promising than have been the prospects for the overwhelming majority (+99%) of modern humans who have lived on Earth.

  65. #65
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:25 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Jim Geraghty breaks out the vulnerable Dems including Altmire and Lynch who cast seppuku votes.

    Every Democrat in the House should be vulnerable after this nonsense.

  66. #66
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:27 pm, groundhunter said:

    Take to the streets now! Phone/fax/email now! Keep up the pressure. From the vote above we need 13 votes to kill this thing. Those 13 individuals need to be more aware of us than of Polosi over the next few days.

  67. #67
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:28 pm, battleaxe said:

    Ah ok. The question is still valid though. If they use slaughter or not and “pass” the senate bill as is, it’s done, correct? Can’t the senate bill then be signed by Reid and Pelosi and on the President’s desk to be signed into law regardless of anything else they pass along with it?

  68. #68
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:32 pm, Flyoverman said:
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:22 pm, nail49 said:
    I’m on my way out to lower my flag to half mast.

    Thors_Hammer: Suggest you run Old Glory back up the flagpole, but upside down!

    Article II

    I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.

    Article VI

    I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

    STILL IN THE FIGHT!

  69. #69
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:34 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:19 pm, Wayfaring Stranger said:

    That’s what the Sunday vote is for – at high noon.

    Do we queue Tex Ritter? :)

  70. #70
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:37 pm, docflash said:

    The rats are out in the open.It is all up to the American people now.

  71. #71
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:40 pm, CO2 Producer said:

    How did an authorization to suspend the rules pass by simple majority? Should it not be by two-thirds?

    A motion to suspend the rules is authorized by House rule XV clause 1, adopted in its original form in 1822. Manual Sec. 885. The privileged motion is in order only on the days specified by the rule or by special order of the House. Sec. Sec. 4, 5, infra. Recognition for the motion is at the discretion of the Speaker. Sec. 6, infra. It is debatable for 40 minutes, is not amendable, and requires a two-thirds vote for its adoption.

    Or did they change that, too?

  72. #72
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:43 pm, emjem24 said:

    Roland said:

    4. Whatever future I planned with my husand, such as having a child, will be for naught. There will be no future for my child, or for me or my husband. I will not have my child grow up in a place like this.

    Don’t get carried away. As dark as things are right now, and even with the storm clouds fast approaching, the prospects for happiness in our lives and the lives of any children we have are still far better and more promising than have been the prospects for the overwhelming majority (+99%) of modern humans who have lived on Earth.

    It took me 10 years (no, I’m not making that up) just to convince my husband to try for a child. We’ve been saving and planning for at least the last couple of years. I dare each and every US citizen to walk in the shoes of a military spouse and see what it’s like to deal with corrupt federal programs like Tricare or United Concordia, or, for that matter, the local base civilian hiring authority, which are all overseen by the Federal government.

    People have no concept of the hell they’ll have to deal with if (big IF) Obamacare gets passed and they have to really, fully understand what rationed care is. Tricare recipients like myself already know what it’s like to have to weed through a medical buraucracy that just makes it up as they go along.

    If you think that private HMO’s are bad just wait for this. Americans who support this sham bill are so freakin’ stupid and can’t get past the gimme gimme’s they think they need because government promised them this. It’s just disgusting.

    I know what you’re saying, Roland. I really do… but I’m beginning to feel like the American Dream is not only out of reach, it’s gone with this administration. The possible is now the improbable. I already deal with the federal government’s impact on my daily life through the military, I just want the federal government to BUTT OUT.

    The weak and the greedy have taken over and are now dictating how our lives should be. I won’t let them win. I refuse to. I won’t play along… the people who support this shame health care bill are traitors too and they’ll suffer the consequences.

    Just wait until there are no doctors or medications to treat them. We’ll see who’s sorry.

  73. #73
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:44 pm, nail49 said:

    Flyoverman: Old Glory is flown upside down indicating distress or danger, not surrender!

  74. #74
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:52 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:44 pm, nail49 said:

    Flyoverman: Old Glory is flown upside down indicating distress or danger, not surrender!

    Well, let them fly their flags upside down. They are the ones in danger, not me.

    Tom Coburn sets the tone.

    Hat tip to Ace of Spaces for pointing out the video.

  75. #75
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:52 pm, Gorebot said:

    Where the flock is Osama bin Laden when we need him??????

  76. #76
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:54 pm, Little Ma said:

    To MarcoPolo (at #54): I am not a Marxist, nor have I participated in the quiet overthrow of our government. Yet you imply that I advocate an act of treason? Ah, well.

    “If this be treason, make the most of it.”

    Patrick Henry
    May 30, 1765

  77. #77
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:56 pm, love2rumba said:

    GOP Hastings (WA)

    Its interesting the number of ‘conservative’ Republicans who were ‘MIA’ on this vote. This kind of behavior only makes it harder-not easier-to continue supporting anyone ‘conservative’ who associates with the GOP. If strong enough demand for an alternate conservative party occurs after 2010, actions like these will pave the way for this path.

  78. #78
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:57 pm, Wayfaring Stranger said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:34 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:19 pm, Wayfaring Stranger said:

    That’s what the Sunday vote is for – at high noon.

    Do we queue Tex Ritter? :)

    Well, the citizenry did finally find the courage to stand on the side of the law. ;-)

    And isn’t courage what BO says is needed now? :-D

    I’m trying to find a bit of encouragement in what Ace wrote about this being more about saving face for the Dems in not allowing the GOP to force them to vote. Stephen Lynch – who voted yes on the question today – says he can’t support a proposed “deem and pass” procedure that would allow Democrats to vote to strip out controversial portions of the Senate bill and then “deem” that the entire package has passed without a second, direct vote. But what Ace wrote does make Lynch’s yes vote today make some sense in that he doesn’t want to be seen as siding with the minority against the House leadership.

    Time will tell if Ace is right or not.

    Cue Tex Ritter.

  79. #79
    On March 18th, 2010 at 4:58 pm, Random63 said:

    There are many ways to fight back. Calling and writing our Congress just doesn’t work anymore. They won’t listen. Pretty soon, our elections won’t work anymore as I think many of us will find out in November.

    There are personal ways to fight back. I would suggest listening to this podcast called, Individual Revolution and Freedom. It’s done by a gentleman named Jack Spirko and gives a pretty good path on how to individually resist this oligarchy in Washington. You can find the podcast at http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/episode-391-individual-reveloution-and-freedom

    Be safe and well all.

  80. #80
    On March 18th, 2010 at 5:15 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    so what’s next if this unconstitutional bill passes? Beck just covered the The Belavezha Accords..Times are scary…

  81. #81
    On March 18th, 2010 at 5:21 pm, d1carter said:

    We are witnessing the destruction of our Republic. God Save the USA!

  82. #82
    On March 18th, 2010 at 5:24 pm, rplatt said:

    Now Obama is running around pleading with house Democrats to save his presidency. Who cares about his damn presidency . . . it’s the American people that should be the sole concern of any governmental action. Perhaps we should change the words in Lincoln’s speech from “A government of the people, by the people, for the people” to ” A government of Obama, by Obama, for Obama.” This poor sick Republic is about to collapse from its own weight.

  83. #83
    On March 18th, 2010 at 5:41 pm, 24Klady said:

    If it’s a sure bet/slam dunk/decided issue – why did Odrama Queen put off his trip to Asia until June? Or did the real boss, Meanshelle, tell him she had a boatload of new clothes and she d#mn well was going to wear them?

    Unless the states can outmanoeuvre this coup it is going to be a done deal. Wonder what surprises are in store for next week? A new day, another crisis.

  84. #84
    On March 18th, 2010 at 5:45 pm, 24Klady said:

    d1carter #102
    God blesses those that help themselves and I’m thinking there are a whole bunch of people that will. Lines in the sand must be drawn at some point. I don’t know if this is the one where it’s drawn but there will be a day where it is.

  85. #85
    On March 18th, 2010 at 5:50 pm, love2rumba said:

    Meanshelle…

    Hey 24Klady…very appropriate!

  86. #86
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:04 pm, swede said:

    Conservative, concealed weapon carrying candidate 24Klady says

    Lines in the sand must be drawn

    You’d best not mess with this lady. Just sayin’.

    VOTE 24K! Or else…

    How’s that one? Catchy, no?

  87. #87
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:05 pm, spaceycakes said:

    24Klady said: outmanoeuvre

    whoomp! there it is!

  88. #88
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:08 pm, 24Klady said:

    love2rumba
    :)
    I’m thinking that somewhere in Indonesia there’s a great big pile of Kobe/wagyu beef going to waste, and a ton of arugula. Nothing but the best for a hometown boy.

  89. #89
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:09 pm, Blackstone said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 2:41 pm, Regulus said:

    The focus needs to shift to what we are prepared to do if/when the legal challenges fail.

    The Virginia legislature already provided the answer last week. Expect it to spread to the other states. If the Court says it’s out of their hands, then it’s in the hands of the states. And it’s long overdue.

  90. #90
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:11 pm, 24Klady said:

    swede – as my campaign manager you’ve got to keep it a secret I’m fond of my little toys. Shhhh!

  91. #91
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:19 pm, rambler said:

    Remember, these are the same people who argued with Roe v Wade, that the gov had no right to intrude on a woman’s right to make decisions concerning her own body, but now they want to intrude on all the medical decisions for the entire population. When they control all of health care, what will they really be forcing on us? Give me liberty of give me death!!!!

  92. #92
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:45 pm, maisy said:

    Amnesty on Drudge meets with Obama approval with RINO Grahamnestys help- and border open ala Napolitano- They are in a big hurry for Third World Country.

  93. #93
    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:46 pm, 24Klady said:

    rambler
    Spot on…
    How does medical privacy laws fit into this equation when all records will be centralized on govn’t computers? Besides, we all know this isn’t healthcare. When they’ve continually raided Social Security and allowed the corruption in Medicare, they’re not serious. This is nothing more than a red herring and will be the biggest slush fund in history. Because we’re broke they’ll start raiding it from the 1st day taxes are collected and benefits will systematically be cut.

  94. #94
    On March 18th, 2010 at 7:03 pm, BOB said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 5:41 pm, 24Klady said:
    If it’s a sure bet/slam dunk/decided issue – why did Odrama Queen put off his trip to Asia until June? Or did the real boss, Meanshelle, tell him she had a boatload of new clothes and she d#mn well was going to wear them?

    It’s a trip to show the kids where Barry lived for a few years when he was Barry Soetoro. Their spring break may be over by the time the “ram down” is complete, so Barry’s putting the multi-million dollar boondoggle/vacation off until schools out for the summer.

  95. #95
    On March 18th, 2010 at 7:09 pm, BOB said:

    The reason a Dem would vote for the “DEEM” rule but maybe not for the actual bill is because with the deem rule they can tell their constituents they didn’t vote for healthcare.

    A technicality I am sure they will use.

  96. #96
    On March 18th, 2010 at 7:11 pm, docflash said:

    Check out Chet Edwards TX website.He was a strong no yesterday.I see he voted for this today.

  97. #97
    On March 18th, 2010 at 7:46 pm, rocketman said:

    ***
    “Democrat” / liberal / socialist / statist / marxist / communist Comrade Obama (PBUH) and his congressional ilk can run now–but they can’t hide from the coming 2010 and 2012 elections.
    ***
    And when the ObamaCare bill passes they will ram through the C**P AND TAX and SHAMNESTY bills through–quickly–before the 2010 election.
    ***
    But the damage their actions will keep doing to our economy and higher unemployment numbers will be obvious to all. Wait until those making much less than 240K a year notice another 10 percent missing from their checks. And just wait for the 2010 tax year returns to be filled out by those who still have jobs. A giant WHAT THE F**K cry will go up then–and The Messiah’s numbers will look like Congress’s do now.
    ***
    Party down commies–TSUNAMI COMING!
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  98. #98
    On March 18th, 2010 at 8:23 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:

    On March 18th, 2010 at 6:45 pm, maisy said:

    Amnesty on Drudge meets with Obama approval with RINO Grahamnestys help- and border open ala Napolitano- They are in a big hurry for Third World Country.

    This caught my eye, too. (The long-awaited framework, written by Sens. Charles E. Schumer, New York Democrat, and Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Republican, calls for illegal immigrants to be put on a path to citizenship…)

    I wonder if Dirty Harry ever does political work?

  99. #99
    On March 18th, 2010 at 9:24 pm, DBNinKY said:

    I’ve accepted it. They’re going to pass it; they’re going to pass this tragic health care bill. And there’s no amount of reasoning or debate that will stop them.They’re going to spend $940B (low-balling it, at best!) to save $138B and maybe – MAYBE – insure ~19 million people.

    It’s unreal. It’s a travesty. It’s the Democrat way.

  100. #100
    On March 18th, 2010 at 9:37 pm, jangar said:

    My congresscritter, who was the leader of the blue dogs to oppose such a bill, has now flipped to the dark side. Mike Ross is a dirt bag and sell out.

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