Reports: Deem and Pass is dead; keep the no-mentum going
Well, well, well. Breaking news all over that the Dems have now abandoned Demon Pass.
WaPo alert:
House Democratic leaders say they will take a separate vote on the Senate health care bill, rejecting an earlier, much-criticized strategy that would have permitted them to “deem” the measure passed without an explicit vote.
The Hill tweets: “Our Roxana Tiron reports Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) told her Pelosi now WILL NOT use ‘deem and pass.’”
Keep cranking it up.
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That tells me they have the votes they need without using that tactic. Sorry.
Do they have the votes? Or were they mired in the sequencing of the votes?? I’m still holding out hope – and praying. A lot.
beenthere
You could be right but I’m hoping HRH ol’ stretchface is banking on her members not wanting to say up close and personal before cameras, NO. Praying it’s a bluff and first signs of a blink (no pun intended to ol’ stretchface).
ARGGGGGGGG!
I have to leave to go to work and will be off the news feeds until late tonight.
I don’t know what to think of this or how this is playing out but it will drive me nuts not to be able to hear any news.
Of course, it’s a relief too since I can’t hardly take all this anymore!
I concur – the Speaker must think she has enough votes to pass the two bills.
Can we start placing bets on how fast BO will sign the Senate bill? Does he make a show of waiting for the “fixes”, or do they sign it at Ted Kennedy’s grave on Monday?
AOSHQ.
You have to admire the guy. Even among Dem ho’s he stands out. Got paid twice for his vote. They turned on the water in the Central Valley and dropped Demonpass.
The ONLY POSSIBLE WAY that Comrade Pelosky abandons Deem and Pass is if she has the votes without it. We’ve seen enough of this power-mad witch to figure that out.
But I’m with MM – keep up the pressure – they might be close to demon spawn – but some of them could crack!
The Progressive Communists have gotten the “Smelt Fish CA Dems” to vote “yes.” In return their constituents get 25% of their water turned back on.
Chicago-style politics on a national scale.
Do not stop fighting hard!
Folks, we must keep the pressure on; do not let up for any reason! Here are the Representatives to keep calling, e-mailing, and faxing:
Undecided and voted no on House bill in November (4): Tanner (TN 8), Matheson (UT 2), Nye (VA 2), Baird (WA 3). Tanner and Baird are not running for reelection. Matheson’s brother was recently nominated for a federal judgeship; he appears to have fine credentials.
Undecided and voted yes on the House bill in November (8): Bean (IL 8), Foster (IL 14), Michaud (ME 2), Pomeroy (ND 1), Space (OH 18), Carney (PA 10), Kanjorski (PA 11), Ortiz (TX 27).
Stupak bloc (11): Berry (AR 1), Bishop (GA 2), Lipinski (IL 3), Costello (IL 12), Donnelly (IN 2), Stupak (MI 1), Driehaus (OH 1), Kaptur (OH 9), Dahlkemper (PA 3), Mollohan (WV 1), Rahall (WV 3).
Remember our compatriots on the flight over Pennsylvania on September 11th – they went down STANDING UP! We are Americans. We do not surrender! LET’S ROLL!
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/The-state-of-play-in-the-House-88725462.html#ixzz0ik6Eyp76
From RedState:
Patriots and Iowans Have a New Target: Bill Braley – Backing Off His Yes
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, March 20th at 1:13PM EDT (link)
Worried about medicare cuts. Same issue as DeFazio, I think, reimbursements.
http://www.kcci.com/news/22894520/detail.html
If your in Iowa, its your moral duty to call Braley’s offices all day, even show up and rally around his offices.
http://www.twitter.com/swamp_yank
Do Not Stop Fighting.
Trust not, fail not.
SILENCE IS CONSENT!
Polosi is going in circles. If she had the votes she would come out and say so. The procedures were becoming a swamp they could not get out of and they knew legal challanges could sink the whole thing. We need to find out what the procedures will be. The whole thing might have to go to the Senate for a vote and their it will die.
their there Oh my!
It tells me that Mark Levin’s lawsuit threat worked.
The votes are probably not there, they just want us to believe they are.
Don’t throw in the towel.
Been There…
If Demon Pass is indeed dead, it may indeed be an indication that Pelosi thinks that by promising a separate vote on an amendments bill to the Senate bill, she can get enough “ayes” on a recorded vote to approve the Senate bill as it is written.
That is it, game over, no Constitutional challenges on how it passed. 10th amendment challenges, and challenges on mandatory insurance purchases, but not on Article I, Section 7.
And the Senate does not need to ever vote on the new bill of House fixes to the Senate bill. The House leadership knows that. But voting on the fix bill, maybe that is enough cover to claim they voted against federal funding for abortion and the Cornhusker kickback and Louisiana Purchase etc., after they voted for it.
I wonder, at what pay grade, can defeated Congressman jump over to working in the Executive branch without requiring Senate confirmation. Senator Coburn has promised to obstruct the confirmation of any House Demonrats who sold their seats for a job. And they’ll be 50 or more jobless Democrats in January.
Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) said the House will take three votes on Sunday: First, on a resolution that will set the terms of debate. Second, on a package of amendments to the Senate bill that have been demanded by House members. And third, on the Senate bill itself.
Van Hollen, an assistant to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) who has been working on the issue, said House leaders concluded that the reverse order — approving the amendments before approving the Senate bill — makes clear that the House is approving “a modified version of the Senate bill,” and not the Senate bill itself.
The above is from the Washington Post.
If they change the Senate bill, doesn’t it have to go back to the Senate for a vote? Sounds like they are slipping backwards to me.
If they vote for the Senate bill unchanged, it won’t matter that they voted on a wish list of amendments they would like to see to the Senate bill.
If they vote on the unchanged language of the Senate bill, without admendments, than they have voted for the Senate bill.
Identically written bills passing both chambers, it can than go to Obama to be signed.
Its a fig leaf. A separate vote on amendments they like would require a Senate vote, but that doesn’t have to happen, and probably won’t. If they have a vote on the Senate bill, with no amendments, they have passed the bill.
It is just a sneakier variation of Demon Pass. The deem part is gone, but the deceptive intent remains.
“I voted for abortion, the Louisiana Purchase, the Cornhusker Kickback, and all the special deals, before I voted against it.”
I’m not a pessimist about this, but I’m on a “watch and see” mode.
Praise the Lord and let’s keep it moving toward victory for our republic! I’ll take all of the small victories that we can win.
I also appreciate all of you who could make the trip to D.C. to protest in the place of those of us who could not go.
What was it Rush said yesterday? The vast majority of Obama’s supporters are entitlement recipients in some form?
James Greenidge
Queens NY
No Pay To Obamacare & National Tax Strike
NRO Corner
You’re kidding, right? They’ll just create a few more “czar” slots. No confirmation required. When the Republicans take over Congress in the fall, one of their first actions should be to defund about half the Executive Branch until all of the czars and their staffs are fired.
They want to vote on amendments to the Senate bill. Doesn’t this change the Senate bill and force it back to the Senate for a vote, or is this just a wish list bill that makes not changes to the undelying Senate bill?
I’m lost, but I am hopefull.
It is worse than I thought. They want to amend a bill that has not become law.
If you have to go to such lengths you are no longer governing. You are as desperate as you look.
For Stretch to abandon ‘deem and pass,’ she would need both the votes to pass the Senate version and a commitment by enough Senators to pass, separately, a ban on the federal funding for abortions.
Sorry. I do not believe she has both.
Just remember one thing: Armed rebellion is only illegal if you lose.
Chris Carney is a yes, according to Politico.
Sedition, however, is illegal anytime. Look it up and remember who you’re dealing with.
On March 20th, 2010 at 3:13 pm, BOB said:
That’s what I think, too.
I don’t take this as a sign that Pelosi has the votes, but rather that she has EVEN LESS votes with Demon Pass than without it.
Pelosi is under the most pressure that she has EVER been in her entire political life. She has put on the best act that she can to pretend that she already has enough votes, in an effort to persuade the fence sitters.
The fence sitters don’t want to commit because no matter which choice they make, they will have tremendous pressure put upon them… either by the voters, or from the Democratic Socialist Obama/Pelosi Politburo.
They don’t want to take any heat, so they are remaining silent (at least publicly). The best thing they can do is to not tell Pelosi how they will vote. If Pelosi doesn’t have 216 going into tomorrow’s vote, she’s up the creek… either she holds off the vote and admits that she’s been lying all week long when she said they had (or would have) the votes to pass it by Sunday, or she takes her chances and holds the vote without knowing the outcome in advance (and if she does that, there is a very good chance that it will fail).
K-Lo tweeted a comment from Ferraro, “If it’s good enough for Marcy Kaptur, it must be pro-life.” ?? I think Kaptur was one of the Stupak group.
Im nominate Alcee Hastings as the new front man for the DecrptocRAT party – the people that elected him have the smarts of a door knob: Check this quote out:
Key House Democrat: “There Are No Rules Here … We Make Them Up As We Go Along”
This is the state of our Government, this is what is making laws and edicts, this makes me sick.
I believe that D&P was mostly diversionary. The method of using reconcilliation now seems much more reasonable with it off the table, no?
Still, it is a BS tactic to undermine the will of the people.
I don’t trust them.
More “Fake it ’till you make it“.
If they had the votes, they would simply say, “We have the votes“,
not “Clearly we believe we have the votes.”
They don’t have the votes yet.
Keep praying.
On March 20th, 2010 at 4:57 pm, Milwaukee Mike said:
I’m glad that Demon Pass is off the table. The next thing that has to be taken off the table is reconcilliation.
The only way that the Democratic Socialists got 60 votes in December was via a stolen election (Franken) and a bastardized appointment (the law change in MA to appoint Paul Kirk to the seat formerly held by Ted Kennedy… that seat should have remained vacant until filled by Scott Brown).
If the DemonRats try to pass this without 60 legitimate votes in the Senate, and Obama signs this after promising on multiple occasions that it had to have 60 votes IN BOTH HOUSES in order to get it to his desk for his signature, then it’s just as bad as if they used DemonPass, too.
Obama, by your own admission,
I agree Red Pill. Back to praying….
Rollcall. Stupak says his group is down to six.
txvet2 #38
Thanks for bringing both terms into reality. People are combing sites looking for any kind of behavior they’d like to modify. Also, to copy and paste a throwaway comment is the fodder for DKos and several others.
Speaking about his healthcare bill to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, Obama said, “The fate of my presidency is on the line.”
For some reason that was enough to persuade some undecideds to vote for his bill.
I don’t know why, but a scene in Blazing Saddles comes to mind. It’s the one where the new sheriff, surrounded by an angry mob, escapes by putting a gun to his own head and threatening to shoot the sheriff. I never thought the scene was believable until now, because it seems to work on democrats.
It’s frightening that the biggest thing you see wrong with the terrorist statements by BruceB is that the Dkos might get a hold of them.
Now Nye is on the undecided list. He is a nice guy. How can he be a Democrat?
Folks, they don’t necessarily have the votes even after dropping Demon Pass…
And if they still don’t, the overall vote on Sunday will end up being delayed a bit, so that they can arm-twist and bribe some more.
Ok, now for those of you not from Collin County or Johnson County Texas where we stand firm against this version of “health care reform”. You Texans who have Democratic members of Congress Keep up the pressure on them, fighting to remind your representatives that we will remember them come November when Medicare cuts are scheduled to go into effect and if they vote against those cuts the deficit will soar ever higher by several trillion dollars. Remind them that one way or another a vote for this version of “health care reform” is a vote to commit political suicide.
Praying is a given – then back to the phone meltdown, faxes and emails. More pressure.
I don’t believe they have the votes either. Hyping up artificial momentum is part of the game to get votes. Will the weasley demo-rats corageously fall on their swords for the great socialist ideal – or cover their ass(ets) and get to keep their posh office in Washington with their name on a gold plate on the door? I’ll go with the latter.
A better reason for voting NO does not exist.
Obama says:
And Pelosi says:
If we’re heading toward the cliff, wouldn’t the smart thing be to change directions or apply the brakes?
Sometimes, when asked to take a giant step forward, saying “no” is the right answer.
A very fitting quote from Dr. Adrian Rogers (1931-2005)
“Friend, you cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. And what one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving it. The government can’t give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody.
And when half the people get the idea that they don’t have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half get the idea that it does no good to work because somebody is going to get what I work for.
That, dear friend, is about the end of any nation.”
and if the dems win tomorrow we are at the end of this once great nation. Pray for divine intervention against the evil in our midst.
Isn’t it amazing (/sarc) that these same Democrats that are so full of praise for themselves and how they are “helping the American people” (even though we are too stupid to know it) won’t proudly stand for a roll call vote?
Gutless wonders. Or socialists. Same thing.
THIS IS A DISASTER.
If they do pass this bill, it will be time to show congress that we are not prepared to go away. They answer to us. They are paid by us. We didn’t elect dictators to decide what they think is best for us by spending what we earned on things we don’t want. Bho can spin this how ever he wants. He is a traitor to this country, the Constitution and the American public.
Papa Louie, here is that cliff that Obama wants us to go over, as the
Demon-crat lemmings assist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmey2U_aYWI
Keep praying and keep calling.
Never,ever, give up on the USA and our great country, no matter what the outcome of this stupid bill. Fight.
Right now, they don’t have the votes.
We have done all we can do to stop this take over of our Republic. We have called, faxed, e-mailed, gone to our Tea Party, spent gobs of our personal funds to stop this, and millions of prayers to God that His will might save our country. What else can we do?
If these people who were elected have zero concern to the people who elected them, I have a feeling they will get their just rewards in the end. My mind can not imagine these people. We have one more day to stop this. I will NEVER give up on prayers to God for His help.
L
BruceB didn’t make terrorist statements. Do you know the difference between terrorism and rebellion?
So do we think:
1) the House will vote on the Senate bill?
2) the House will still attempt Deem and Pass despite the current rumored Pelosi position?
3) the House will not vote on anything tomorrow?
If they had the votes, they’d just do it. They haven’t…Therefore they don’t have the votes, and geting them will be even more difficult this close to Nov. 2010.
There is going to be a lot of propaganda between now and Monday. I expect to see a spin on their lack of votes by Tuesday.
A Democratic spokesman on Fox this afternoon said that they had “taken the legs out” of one of the Republicans’ objection to the health care package by dropping this abomination. Funny, I thought when you dropped what you wanted to do and adopted your opponents’ position on something that was a bit of a defeat for you.
From Red State:
If you’re from Utah (hell even if you’re not) get on the phone NOW to Jim Matheson’s office.
According to FireDog Lake there are 204 yes…205 no…0 lean yes…10 lean no…and 12 undecided. If we hold the leans, Nan’s got to run the table on the undecideds. Matheson is an undecided. He’s from a +15 R district.
On March 20th, 2010 at 4:29 pm, BruceB said:
That’s talking like we’ve already lost which we haven’t.
Aside from which such talk is not just premature it is foolhardy and potentially illegal. We haven’t exhausted all other options including the 2010 and 2012 elections.
We haven’t even begun to boycott the businesses and institutions that would support obamacare or the Congress critters who support it.
So, you are way ahead of yourself here. Stand down and take a chill pill.
Lots of other options are open to those who think with their brain and not their sixth point of contact.
Just in from Hot Air.
Matheson – who’s brother got the federal bench while he was being schmoozed by Barry – is a definite no. Hey Soetoro, can you un-appoint him now and sell the court to someone else?
Zack Space – was a yes, now a hard no.
The fat lady ain’t singing yet folks.
Thanks, Swede#75.
It is hard to think positive when you think of what Barry’s dream is for our country.
I still believe they don’t have the votes. Pelosi is posturing for the media and their confused masses who think Obama has a stash of money to pay the mortgage. They will be shocked when the IRS refuses to send them their tax refund and they have to now pay for insurance policies. Fun times.
As I said on a previous thread, the trolls come out to insult or gloat.
So is “Give me liberty or give me death” a terrorist statement or a suicide threat?
I am also reminded of Nathan Hale saying just before being hanged, “I regret that I have but one life to give for my country.” But contrary to popular belief, these were not his last words. His real last word was “aaakkkk.”
Sorry.
*I have to believe that if deem and pass is dead, then Nazi Pelosi has the votes; I hope and pray that I am wrong.
*As I have said before, which ever way the vote goes, our beloved country goes into an economic death spiral, possibly irreversable; All because of P-BO and his Communist Clown Cluster, and all his RINO enablers; We consistent conservatives still plan to be around to clean up the mess; Please pray that we get the chance!
Don’t think for a minute that Pelosi and her associate demons will not try to pull another fast one on We The People between now and Sunday’s vote.
Until this radical bunch is removed from orafice, there shall be no rest.
Please allow me reiterate that for emphasis…
Until this radical bunch is removed from orafice, there shall be no rest.
Eternal vigilance.
The sad thing about this bill is that it won’t do any good… won’t control premiums (according to Cato) and that it won’t help the targeted 15% of the population who are uninsured (according to “some” statistics). Why are we sacrificing the 85% WITH insurance for those who either cannot do the leg work to find suitable coverage, are too lazy to get coverage, or think that somebody else should pick up the tab?
There are a lot of greedy, craven, simple dimbulbs in the Dem party that are so caught up in what they’re “entitled” to that they’ve forgotten how the rest of us feel about it. There’s no doubt that if the American people don’t stop this debt death spiral, we will never recover. We don’t have the money now for these people to have insurance, no matter how much compassion they want to eek out of the rest of us through guilt, and the math simply doesn’t add up.
I know what it’s like to have NO insurance. I cannot believe that there are some people in their 20′s who cannot work for what they need and find that they’d rather stay permanently attached to Mummy and Daddy. That is outrageous and not something that this country should be proud of.
No matter how young or old or what political affiliation you have.
Stay in this fight everyone. We are Americans, and we never ever quit. Remember our compatriots on September 11th in the plane over Pennsylvania. They went down STANDING UP! We do not give up the fight. LET’S ROLL!!!
Call Lorretta Sanchez (CA Dist 47) She is on the fence!
714-839-4431 CALL SANCHEZ
Could also be that the risk factor made them panic. Reagan once said of the Dem-o-rats, “They may not have seen the light, but they sure felt the heat.”
Another plausible theory is that Nanny et al are trying to fabricate momentum by acting as if it already exists. At this point she does not have the votes for a yay or nay on the senate bill.
Big question is the Stupak +/- 10 pro life dems. Barry is supposedly working on an executive order tonight re the abortion funding that would satisfy them. That could be the deal breaker.
*Remove rectal orafice from orafice?; Hmmm!; Is that the donut hole they keep talking about?
Swede: We’ll know for sure in the morning; Have to believe no way they proceed to the vote without assurance of a positive outcome for Obamacare; But it sure would be nice for some of the Dems to grow a pair, gird their loins, and, for just once, stick it to Nancy, if you know what I mean!
I don’t think anyone wants to stick it to Nancy, including her husband, oh, wait, you probably didn’t mean it that way……..
bjc, yeah it’s hard to imagine them going into this battle armed with a sling shot, but this really could be a desperation play. How awesomely sweet it would be to see Nanny and Barry go down in flames. Scott Brown election night exhilaration X 10!
I chose to remain hopeful. Either way, this fight is not over by a long shot.
Spent all day downtown. From what we heard from folks inside the House our presence made a difference. And many of these congresscritters got a huge ear full as they walked from the Capitol to the Cannon House Office Building.
I was surprised so many of them walked on the street from the Capitol to the office building. I thought there were tunnels for them to use to avoid “the great unwashed masses.”
I don’t know if abandoning “deem-ocracy” means they have the votes to pass it another way or not. But it means they will have to go on record voting for this monstrosity and that will be bad for them in November…
You don’t consider threats of violence in the event of legislation you disagree with a terrorist statement?
“Be afwaid. Be vewwy afwaid.”
*Even Phil Bredesen, our Democratic governor here in Tennessee, with a background in healthcare, has written to Bart Gordon urging him to vote no, saying it will be next to impossible to balance the budget with the expected increased cost of Medicaid thanks to Obamacare; It’s all about the power and control, and nothing about the truth.
*P-BO picked Kansas to win the NCAA tournament and they were upset tonight; A good omen for Nobamacare; DOA!
It was possible that “Demon Pass” could of been the box canyon that led to the slaughter of the socialized medicine takeover once and for all.
Hopefully these cowardly nasty hombres have no way out of the dead end they panicked and rode into, and America can get back to the real world after tomorrow.
The section in the bill that will force citizens to buy insurance or go to jail must be immediately challenged in court.
Is any group getting ready to challenge this provision in court challenge? This simply cannot be aloud to stand.
Regardless of what happens, I think it is time to make anyone in Congress who was merely willing to vote for ‘Deem and Pass’, i.e. attempt to create law when no law had actually been voted on (just merely approved for a vote)a pariah after they leave office. I propose to do so far beyond what Sen. Coburn proposes. How do we do this?
We do so by acquiring a list of all the ‘offenders’-just like we would gather a list of all sex offenders and let communities know that so and so is in their neighborhood. The difference is that we find where in the private/public sector they have gone to work for, and once they are found (where they have gone to work for), we write the Parent comapny and/or their subsidiary that hired them and NATIONALLY boycott that law firm, hospital, corporation or town for as long as they continue to hire that Democrat or Republican who tries to violate their oath of office as in their misuse of ‘Reconcilliation’, for example.
Why do this? Politicians love power and money;they wouldn’t even think of doing some of the stuff like Amnesty or HC if there was a serious price to be paid once they left office. Boycotting them like a sex offender will cut into their money-making capability as they find that whatever advantage an employer thought they had when they hired the offending Congress-critter simply evaporates.
If they had the votes, Obama would not have needed to make a pep talk to Dems. And he had the unmitigated gall to say:
OK, then how about the fence-sitting Democrats follow Obama’s example and vote…
Seriously,
Fence-sitting Dems should Press the Yellow Button!
First, he didn’t threaten violence.
Second, would you label all Churchill a terrorist for stating, “we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields….[?]” You can’t deny that he threatened violence – esp. for political purposes.
Would you label SWAT teams terrorist for shouting, “come out or we’ll start shooting[?]”
Just admit you used the incorrect word. You’ll probably be supported on here if you criticize his BruceB’s comment accurately.
If they had the votes, they would have voted. They have tried and failed to pass this for over a year. Obama had to give a pep rally, saying it is not about him. Just my opinion.
Don’t give up. Keep calling, emailing, FAXing, protesting.
On March 21st, 2010 at 12:31 am, love2rumba said:
While Democrats everywhere would condemn this though they use the tactic themselves, often successfully, it’s a good idea. To go one further, I’d propose that since they do not appreciate the freedoms this country provides and the responsibility, they be sent forth from this country without passport as refugees to find a place more suitable to them and no possibility of return. Men and women without a country except as should take them in and give them succor.
Oh, come on.
The big difference is these groups have the authority to use force/violence. BruceB does not.
Suppose the health care bill passes, and BruceB follows through and starts an armed rebellion. Suppose he bombs the capital building as part of this rebellion. Are you really trying to tell me that wouldn’t be a terrorist act?
You’re silly.
That’s like you claiming that become a priest is the same as becoming a pedophile and after I were to challeng such a stupid comment you say, “Suppose he starts fondling children. Are you really trying to tell me that wouldn’t be an act of pedophilia?”
Of course a terrorist act is a terrorist act. But armed rebellion doesn’t automatically imply the use of terrorist acts, and it’s unreasonable for you to insist otherwise.
This is an illogical statement. Why would Churchill have any more authority to use force/violence than BruceB?
If home invaders entered your home and you threatened violent action against them then does that make YOU a terrorist? Do you have the authority to use force against the home invaders?
Again, just admit your mistake and articulate a reasonable criticism of BruceB. I’ll even help you if you want – I didn’t find his comment necessary.
How many examples would you like of armed rebellions being used to topple governments without a shot ever being fired – in other words without any violence?
By your definition of violence, a robber who puts a gun to someone’s head isn’t violent unless they actually shoot. Give me a break.
You do in fact have authority to use violence against home invaders under self-defense laws (or castle doctrine laws). Likewise, under international law, Churchill had authority to attack the Germans.
BruceB does not have any authority under the law to start an armed rebellion. I think you’ll find it hard to disagree with this. If you do find some legal support, I’d be excited to know what it is.
This is just out of personal curiosity. What exactly would an armed rebellion look like if it didn’t involve terrorist acts?
“What exactly would an armed rebellion look like if it didn’t involve terrorist acts?”
See also: Lexington; Concord.
The 3rd Infantry and the 82nd Airborne Division’s “Ready Brigade” executing the take over of the Capitol and the White House by force of arms to restore civilian rule if a President ever announced he was suspending the Constitution.
They know what their duty is.
bluesoc, you’re done. There is no such thing as international law.Furthermore, your authority criterion for otherwise labeling ALL violence as terrorism is absurd.
If you want to dig yourself in deeper then please explain how General Washington’s crossing of the Delaware was a terrorist act.
I’m not quite sure what you mean by that. I’ll provide Nuremberg as one example of international law in action. I’m sure you can find thousands of more examples.
I’ll re-post the definition of terrorism that i’ve been working with.
I’m guessing the British considered it a terrorist act. Chechnyan rebels are considered terrorists, even though they’re fighting for independence.
Perhaps you can provide a definition of terrorism that you think is more accurate.
And please explain to me how an armed rebellion in opposition to Obamacare is different from the Weather undergrounds armed rebellion in opposition to the Vietnam war?
It’s really hard to differentiate the two. That’s why such talk is so frightening.
Internatinal law is whatever powerful nations decide is the law. As always, power determines authority, and authority isn’t always just.
If you believe that George Washington was a terrorist, then there’s no reason to discuss this any further.
Spoken like a true liberal.
I noted that the British probably thought he was. He probably would be under the definition I provided. I asked you to give a better definition, but you refuse to.
Perhaps you’d be willing to discuss my second question about distinguishing an armed rebellion against obamacare to the weather underground. That doesn’t pose the same definitional problems.