Wreckonciliation Sunday: The Demcare schedule in the House
Photoshop: Leo Alberti
Now what, you ask?
As House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer announced on Friday, the House will convene on this Sunday at 1pm Eastern. There will be a series of votes — listed here by CBS — culminating in a Hail Mary effort by the GOP to kill the bill. That vote on the “motion to recommit” is expected at roughly around 6:00pm-ish.
Chad Pergram at Fox News fills in some of the details:
Unlike the Democrats’ original plan, this rule will not utilize the “deem and pass” method on the Senate bill. While the rule handles BOTH packages, it provides for separate debate and votes on both measures.
Then there will be a procedural vote, called “Moving the Previous Question.” Ignore this. After that, there will be a vote on the rule. Probably not before 4 pm. If the House doesn’t approve the rule, it can’t advance to the underlying issues at hand.
Crunch time.
Next: If whip-happy Nancy Pelosi passes that obstacle, it’s on to the last-ditch effort by the GOP to stop this thing:
The GOP will then be allowed to offer what’s called a “motion to recommit” or MTR. This is the minority party’s last effort to kill the bill…
A short debate will ensue, which probably takes us to at least 6:15 pm.
There will then be a vote on the motion to recommit. That takes us to at least 6:40.
Then we are ready for our final, two big votes of the day.
First: The Senate Demcare bill. Second, the House wreckonciliation proposal.
The “motion to commit” has some Lefties up in arms.
Also unsettling for the Dems: Flaky Democrat Rep. Loretta Sanchez’s conspicuous absence in the House all day yesterday as she jaunted off to a money-grubbing event in Florida instead.
Maybe she’s holding out hope that the Dems will drop the toothless House Ethics Committee probe into possible corruption/nepotism among Sanchez and her staff.
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God Bless the Kill the Bill Protesters and our elected officials trying to stop this monstrosity. That we even have to think about parliamentary procedures speaks ill of our country, that our people have grown so weak and dependent that they could allow such evil people be their representatives.
There have been trying times for our country in my lifetime but I have never feared so for my country.
Pray for America. keep your powder dry.
Let’s see if I have the order of the key pieces of this puzzle straight: Obama is going to issue an Executive Order banning the use of federal funding of abortions; the House will vote on “reconciliation” of the Senate bill (which will not actually amend what Obama will sign); assuming that the latter passes, the House will then vote on the Senate version of the bill which, if it passes, go to Obama for signature; and then the Senate will vote on the House’s reconciliation of the Senate bill.
They deliberately skipped voting for a conference in order to cut House and Senate Republicans out of the process. How Soviet of Reid and Pelosi.
Marches are toothless now.
Conservatives are just heartless selfish phobic-everything dinosaurs to them (and to media and schools) which their agenda means to squash forever. They’re more concerned of their golden names being on the “right side” in the history books supporting O.B. So what they’re voted out after the train wreck?
Time for a National Tax Strike and to sign a mass petition/self declaration that I’ll refuse to pay Obamacare regardless jail and send them to Congress instead of just picnicing on their front lawn. Those protesters should start passing out the sheet to sign right now.
James Greenidge
Queens NY
Today, I’m thinking about my godchildren. I’ve been looking out my bedroom window at the American and Texas flags, both of which have been flying at full mass since a cold front blew in yesterday. I’m thinking of the fight we have waged and the battles to come.
I cried some yesterday, and will more than likely do so again today. I love this nation, more than I had realized. I love America. That we Americans have to wage war against our own nation, our elected officials, is a travesty. But it is a war we canno lose.
The enemy is not overseas. He is on the ballots we will see in November.
This continuous use of “Executive Orders” by presidents is way out of hand and akin to Signing Statements to avoid and nullify legislation. Just getting ready for the New World Order of the elder President Bush and his slavish obedience to the UN.
According to FireDogLake, Loretta Sanchez is a NO vote (as is Glenn Nye).
Sanchez is a yes-to-NO flip, which, along with Nye, puts the whip count at 209 NAY, 204 yea, 10 Stupak, 8 uncommitted.
A commenter at GatewayPundit is reporting that, upon calling their offices, staff for both Lincoln Davis and John Tanner (both listed as possible no-to-yes flips) will be voting NO.
That would put the whip count at 211 NAY, 204 yea, 10 Stupak, 6 uncommitted.
Of the Stupak bloc, at least 3 are guaranteed NO votes. But, Stupak claims to have “at least” 6 of his bloc in-tact.
In which case, if true, the whip count is 217 NAY, 204 yea, 4 Stupak, 8 uncommitted.
In other words, if Davis, Tanner, and Stupak are all accurate, then it’s OVER. The bill is DEAD!
The Actuary at HHS canot even score this pile of steaming **** in time.
See article posted on Drudge.
17% of the economy at stake and not even the partisan HHS can tell us the cost, but still the Democrat leaders and the President press ahead for an immediate vote.
The same TARP II, Stimulus I “stampede the herd” tactic.
If that fact does not convince you this is all about seizing control and very little to do with health care for Americans, then you are either a misinformed, niave fool or a Kool Aid drinker.
The Executive Order intends to change that by convincing Stupak or at least some of his remaining coalition to ‘yea’ to get the 216 they need.
I was looking at my broom this morning, the one I was using to sweep the 8 inches of Climate Change off my front porch – as well as a shovel. The same damn thing should be used in November, a clean sweep and a complete tossing out of the ” Night Soil” that is composting in our Federal Governmant.
chipbennett,
If your analysis turns to be correct, let me know how to get a hold of you, because at that point I’m buying!
chipbennett…that’s an encouraging report.
It certainly is not over, notwithstanding the ubiquitous meme that the president can always command a few more votes once it gets close.
Most of the people repeating this old saw don’t know jack…they just heard somebody else say it.
Sure, there is some truth in it. But there are other factors in play here — factors not usually seen. For one thing, so many votes have been wrung out for so long, how many more can be left to wring? At some point the wringing has done all it can do.
Another unusual thing about this situation is the extraordinary, rational fear that Dems have of what the electorate is going to do to them in November. So there is something very serious to balance against the fear of what the president or the speaker can do to punish a representative…there is fear of what the voters can do to punish them.
Everything we hear is spin, spin, spin. It is not over.
On Fox News just now Dem House whip Wasserman-Schultz said they have the votes. Paul Ryan says they don’t. Major Garrett reported the President will hold off signing the Executive Order until it is clear he absolutely needs to. Ryan called an Executive Order, “Not the rule of law; that is the rule of man.” It can be changed simply by changing the E.O.
Ahhh…the fruit of “teach those Republicans a lesson” of 2006/2008.
Once again – elections have consequences.
OMG does Wasserman-Schultz ever lie through her teeth.
Now she is promising to take over insurance companies by prohibiting insurances companies from dropping people. Welcome to the United Soviet States of America.
The E.O. is a joke…a temporary, revocable ban put in place to get over the hump of this day’s vote.
Really, Debbie W-S admitted that they don’t have the votes nailed down. She says she thinks they have the numbers but does not know exactly which votes they will get out of the pool of possibilities. In other words, given the general situation, she is optimistic. She can not point to 216 committed votes.
I confess I am either blind, deaf, or out of the loop on this one. What is the “Executive Order” that you are referring too?
Can anyone give me an explanation or a link?
Here you go.
Wasn’t the vote supposed to be earlier, like in the afternoon? Did they push it back?
If so they most likely still don’t have the votes.
The Executive Order, or EO, will be BHO’s last ditch effort to win over Stupak and his holdouts. BHO will sign an EO banning any federal money from being used for abotion. However, if you remember, BHO also issued an EO rescinding the Mexico City Policy, which did just that.
So, he would essentially ban what he unbanned.
Here is the link on the policy.
The EO will be BHO’s last ditch effort to lie, cheat, bride, threaten, and do “whatever it takes” to get his way.
Hmm…. Diana Degette, the leader of the “Pro-Choice” Caucus, who threatened to bring down the bill if Stupak language was allowed in, has agreed to the Executive Order language.
What does that say about the EO?
The Stupak bloc understands this point, also. Perhaps that’s why none from his bloc have stated any agreement with the EO tactic.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Michelle, You miss spelled Florida in your post:
Thanks for the link. You are absolutely right.
Sign the Order, dupe the Stupak Group and then rescind the oreder, “OLE!!!”
That smells of desperation. Stupak IMHO would NEVER fall for that lame ploy.
No she didn’t, FlordaiBill.
I am praying today for a moment of conscious to strike to “yes” voters who are pro-life and, perhaps subconsciously, pro-America’s financial success. I pray for these few Democrats to vote “no” today. I pray for an unexpected March surprise for Pelosi and Co. in a defeat of this horrific bill which will damage our nation.
I am also praying for peace of mind and gathering of strength to fight the battles ahead if this disaster comes to our country. God’s will is not always ours, and there are reasons behind what happens in life, good and bad. Sometimes we see His plan. What does not kill us will make us stronger as a nation, as history has proved. No matter what, God is always with us and will give us strength.
May God bless America. Never give up.
This whole process, of course, has been full of lies, distortions, and deceptions from the Dem side. None is more fantastic than the claim that the bill, as it exists, effectively and definitively excludes abortion funding.
So why didn’t the Senate incorporate the Stupack language and avoid all the fuss? Nothing could be more obvious than the fact that the Stupack language was not adopted by the Senate, precisely because the dominant liberal Dems wanted to preserve the possibility of abortion funding under the bill. Pee on my leg, if you must, but don’t tell me it’s just raining.
But still no word this morning on the presidential executive order supposedly worked out last night on the abortion issue that would ostensibly satisfy the Stupaker contingent. I find this dubious, because if these people are committed pro lifers, as would seem to be the case, they must still sign off on a bill that funds abortions – essentially on demand – based on pledges from others to undo what they did. An executive order may be struck down – and would you trust the Senate?? Stupak’s position is strong and clear. It is illegal for federal funds to fund abortions. Period
Folks, remember even if Nanny Peloser pulls a rabbit out of her Botox inflated hat and passes this, it is far from over. It just means the fight goes on. Sigh. The next step is to attack the reconcilliation process that would be used unconstitutionally for this bill. Watch this clip from Sen Byrd who single handedly stopped the use of reconciliation to pass HillaryCare. Byrd: “Reconciliation was NEVER, NEVER, NEVER intended to be used as a shield for controversial legislation.”
My son is an attorney, and says three of these would be unquestionably violated and two more are highly arguable.
The Dems talk about reconciliation being used to pass the Bush tax cuts. Well, the reason the tax cuts expire in ten years is the Sunset provision in the Byrd Rule. If recon is used in this way, the rule would require Barrycare to expire in ten years.
Other weapons still in our arsenal…
1) The unlimited stream of ammendments the GOP is allowed to propose (and debate) in reconciliation – unless deemed “dilatory” by the Parlementarian. They are all germane to the bill, so it would be difficult for the him or Biden to do so.
2) After reconciliation, the House must vote AGAIN! They would rather chew broken glass.
3) Constitutional challenges to the unconstitutional mandates in the bill – Penalties for non participation, abortion funding, etc, etc.
4) States passing “nullification” ammendments to state constitutions exempting state citizens.
Still obviously praying for it to be over today, but if not the fight continues.
Well said. I am on my way to church to continue praying for peace and a no vote. But whether this travesty passes or not, God is in control.
I should have added to my little Stupack comment above that this total deceptiveness on the abortion issue throughout the process tells us all we need to know about how to react to a fake-out last-minute E.O.
Where are the “yes” voters going to spent their spring break? They may not be welcome in their own home state.
My elected officials went to Washington, spent my money and all I got was this lousy health care plan meant to cover everybody else. This bill fixes nothing and makes everything worse with a very expensive price tag.
Karl Rove is on fire on ABC. Never seen anything like it from him. We could have used some of this fire.
How does Obama have even a speck of credibility with anybody, (who has a brain)?
House holdouts on the abortion issue are suspposed to believe that THE most pro-abortion Senator in history, now the most pro-abortion fake president ever, is going to sign anything that, in reality, limits abortion or its funding in any way.
This is the guy who voted at least 3 times while in the Illinois Senate against a bill designed to give a living baby who survived a botched abortion medical care. The man is a liar of historic proportions, even for an ex-lawyer, (my apologies to the honest ex-lawyer, whoever they may be).
“the House must vote AGAIN!”
That’s right. I continue to be confused as to why folks have accepted Pelosi’s and the left’s framing of this vote. As Sen. Hatch has reminded us, there will be more votes needed by the House. This is not THE vote that Pelosi and Obama are trying to sell it as.
And as Tigerlady has indicated, God is in control.
Its a great day. The struggle to get these leftist out of power is far from over. Conservatives need to have a long term view of this thing. Not a “one vote here on health care and a one vote here on cap n trade” view.
Just look at how much the American public has learned about the left, Democrats, the corruption in Obama’s world, the partisianship of the CBO, etc.
In a year the left has shown itself to be who they really are in a way that no one of us on the right could have brought forward.
Its been a great year. Will be a great election in 2010 and 2012.
Enjoy a beautiful day God has made.
Besides the obvious, something continues to haunt me.
I pray we don’t have 1-2 sneaky Republicans who at the last minute, vote yes.
What time is the vote? Anyone know?
November 2010
From the Corner:
2 p.m.: The House will debate for one hour the rules of debate for the reconciliation bill and the Senate bill.
3 p.m.: The House will vote to end debate and vote on the rules of the debate.
3:15 p.m.: The House will debate the reconciliation package for two hours.
5:15 p.m.: The House will vote on the reconciliation package.
5:30 p.m.: The House will debate for 15 minutes on a Republican substitute and then vote on the substitute.
6 p.m.: The House will vote on the final reconciliation package.
6:15 p.m.: If the reconciliation bill passes, the House will immediately vote on the Senate bill, without debate.
Cool. Will enjoy the day and check later tonight.
Wish this “it’ll be fixed by 2012″ nonsense stopped! The “tidal wave’ isn’t going to happen. People have short memories and will forget why today was a crisis like frogs happily boiled to death by one tenth of a degree an hour. The Action now is mashaling forces to contesting and repealing this thing, forget stopping the steamroller today! Remember, if this gets through, Obama will spin it as a mandate for even greater goals of state nannyship, from total amnesty to Nat Free Housing to obliging the “common just sense” of U.N. laws. In back repealing, some passive noncompliance is needed, like NOT paying Obamacare via a National Tax Strike or your own personal abstain. This where you put your freedom where your mouth is!
James Greenidge
Queens NY
Who will join me by NOT paying Obamacare?
I don’t forsee the evil residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue taking any kind of loss. If this bill goes down, Katie bar the door – something uglier will rear it’s demonic head.
From Red State:
Dems Still Do Not Have the Votes
Posted by Dan Perrin (Profile)
Sunday, March 21st at 10:47AM EDT
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The Democratic Leadership told FOX News this morning they do not know which members will vote Yes, but that they will have 216. Rep. Wasserman Schultz also admitted the vote count was, uh, “in flux.”
The truth of the matter is that the vote count will be in flux up until the gavel comes down to end the vote.
The Moderate Voice is suggesting the vote be delayed, because they are very worried about losing the vote. (And they wrote the post when FireDogLake had the No votes at 208, but FireDogLake is now at 209 No votes.)
The Hill’s Whip Count is showing 37 Democrats voting, or leaning No. 38 Dems voting No is the magic number — at that point it is over for the Speaker. The Dems lose. The Hill has 15 Members at undecided.
The Washington Post has only 31 Dems voting No and 24 undecideds, but they know the Dems are still without the Yes votes they need.
FireDogLake has the No votes at 209, with 204 Yes and 10 leaning No and 8 unknown. FireDogLake puts the Speaker down by 12 votes, and the No side down 7.
I know, from sources on both sides of the House aisle, the Dems do not have the votes.
Bottom line: The Red Queen Still Does Not Have the Votes.
If this passes and becomes law, and if the republicans take over congress – they won’t be able to repeal it since BHO wouldn’t sign anything. However, what they could do is not fund any of the 159 commissions/beurocracies, etc. that are created out of this monstrocity.
I prayed extra hard in church this morning that our taxpayer dollars don’t go to kill innocent babies. Hopefully, God can change some hearts in these last few hours.
Do not stop fighting harder! Strike Now!
Today we must man the boats, and like General Washington, cross the Delaware. They do not have the votes; and now we must take the beaches like our Soldiers and Marines in Normandy, and the Pacific. We must attack and attack and attack all day and through the night. Our weapons are the phones, e-mail, and faxing. Leave voice-mails if necessary.
Below are our targets. E-mail this list to your friends, neighbors, and relatives. Take this list and strike for your country; strike for our heritage; strike for your children; strike for our future. Never give in; never let up. Like the 101st Airborne Division, “Strike Fear!” We are Americans, and we do not quit – not ever!
Priority #1 indicated by asterisk (*)
PLEASE CALL! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE
Loretta Sanchez (202) 225-2965 Fax: (202) 225-5859 *
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 (925) 833-0643
John Salazar (202) 225-4761 (970) 245-7107
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 (630) 406-1114
Baron Hill (202) 225-5315 (812) 288-3999
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 (702) 256-3462
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150
Mike Arcuri (202) 225-3665 (315) 793-8146
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657
Earl Pomneroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 *
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 *
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 *
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 *
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954
John Boccieri (202) 225-3876 (330) 489-4414
Jason Altmire (202) 225-2565 (724) 378-0928
Rick Boucher (202) 225-3861 (276) 628-1145
Suzane Kosmas (202) 226-6299 (407) 208-1108
Betsey Markey (202) 225-4676 (970) 221-7110
Scott Murphy (202) 225-5614 (518) 828-3109
Glenn Nye (202) 225-4215 (757) 326-6201
Allen Boyd (202) 225-5235 (850) 561-3979
John Tanner (202) 225-4714 (731) 885-7070 *
Bart Gordon (202) 225-4231 (615) 896-1986
John Adler (202) 225-4765 (732) 608-7235
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536 (360) 695-6292
Frank Kratovil (202) 225-5311 (410) 420-8822
Ed Markey (202) 225-2836 (781) 396-2900
Michael McMahon (202) 225-3371 (718) 351-1062
Chris Murphy (202) 225-4476 (860) 223-8412
Gerry Connolly (202) 225-1492 (703) 256-3071
Brad Ellsworth (202) 225-4636 (812) 465-6484
Marion Berry (202) 225-4076 (870) 972-4600
Henry Cuellar (202) 225-1640 (956) 725-0639
Jim Barrow (202) 225-2823 (706)722-4494
Lincoln Davis (202) 225-6831 (931) 490-8699 *
Joe Donnelly (202) 225-3915 (574) 288-2780
Mike Doyle (202) 225-2135 (412) 261-5091
Luis Gutierrez (202) 225-8203 (773) 342-0774
Marcy Kaptur (202) 225-4146 (419) 259-7500 *
Daniel Lipinski (202) 225-5701 (312) 886-0481 *
Jim Matheson (202) 225-3011 (801) 486-1236
Bart Stupak (202) 225-4735 (989) 356-0690 *
Harry Teague (202) 225-2365 (575) 393-0510
Like our compatriots on September 11th, who went down STANDIN’ UP! LET’S ROLL!!!
Let this day be forever remembered as “Socialist Sunday”; the final end to American freedom and liberty.
“If this passes and becomes law, and if the republicans take over congress – they won’t be able to repeal it since BHO wouldn’t sign anything.”
Not true.
“final end to American freedom and liberty.”
Not true.
Man, you guys would have given up the the Nazi’s after the Battle of the Bulge.
Glenn Nye is voting “no”.
Hey, stop that!
I’m an optimistic guy JS, but also a realist. I said the “final” end. This bill will be the last nail in the coffin. Recitation of the first thousand nails would just simply take too much space on this blog.
53% of our countrymen/women voted for this obvious Marxist to lead the nation. So you tell me the reasons why we are not on an irreversible course toward economic and cultural ruin. I’m willing to listen.
“House Republican leader John Boehner said Sunday that Democrats have yet to lock in enough votes.”
And he needs to shutup about what Dems do or don’t have. That’s not his role. And in doing so it becomes “Hey, you are talking about my momma…” reaction from the Dems.
What he thinks Dems have or don’t have is irrelevant to what his focus needs to be.
“I’m an optimistic guy JS, but also a realist.”
Could be. What you aren’t is informed about how legislation works in our government.
Nothing is irreversible. The President not signing something does not prevent it from becoming law. His lack of signature can be over riden by Congress.
Nothing doomsday about what the left is currently doing any more than prohibition is still the law of the land.
On Drudge now, there is a head line saying- nan was on the phone with hoyer telling him they needed 217 because no one wants to be the deciding vote. Developing from Drudge.
L
*Good points swede on weapons in the arsenal; I don’t plan on waiting for November; I plan to hammer the GOP to take the fight to them, and for my state Rep. and state Senator here in Tennessee to do the same or expect to be unemployed come November.
*I will also predict that there will be much serious talk about bailing out of the Union by Texas if this atrocity of a bill passes; They will look inward for survival and determine they want no part of this eventual economic death spiral!
Such is the “wild enthusiasm” (/sarc) for this thing.
The smell of fear is in the air.
It’s like watching a male Black Widow spider at mating time. “Will this “necessary act” result in my getting devoured whole?
Letget #60, I saw that on Drudge,too, but have to believe that Nazi Pelosi wanted to be overheard by reporters. Nancy has been embalmed by Botox and her brain was stolen a long time ago by an evil puppet master.
I am hoping this vote is so surprising to Pelosi—the NO votes coming out from under their beds, or some of her fence sitters reversing their votes— that her eyebrow muscles spring forth into wrinkles inspite of her frequent injections. She could be permanently fixed into a rictus grin due to the muscle damage. History changing, indeed.
Will this be our Midway or our Corregidor?
G-d help us.
Either works for me. We recaptured Corregidor.
Look everyone, it is obvious that they do not have the votes, because if they did there is no need for any further discussions/negotiations/deals. They do not at this time have the votes.
Hence, continue the fight by calling and emailing and faxing them. Overwhelm them. They listen to large numbers! Come on people! We can win this fight for our country. American soldiers, sailors, guardsmen, and Marines are on the battlefield. Shall you and I not do everthing in our power to honor their great sacrifice by fighting as hard as we can here at home?
We are Americans, and we never give up the fight until there is a victor. There is no victor at this moment in this fight. So the time to strike is NOW!! NOW is the time people. Pick-up the phone. Do it NOW! Do it for our country. Do it for your children! Do it for your neighbor! Do it for all those who as Lincoln said, “gave the last full measure of devotion.” Phone them NOW! Be relentless at it!
#66 – I was referring to the initial surrender at Corregidor. We re-took it, yes, But at a terrible price.
Besides, Midway came after and broke the back of the enemy. That is what I want to happen to the leftists/progressives.
Stupek fixing to be tricked/fooled?
Also, House shut down for suspicious package?
http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/20/breaking-1045-a-m-stupak-press-conference-postponed/
Freedom isn’t free. Whatever it takes.
Besides, what can they do to me? Send me to Vietnam?
Then January inauguration of the new conservative congress, will be our Guadalcanal…the first step in the taking back of our country.
If Stupak does fall for the Executive Order trick, here is what was written to him informing him it won’t work:
http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/nrlc-exec-order-cant-fix-abortion-problems-hcr-bill
This isn’t the last time they’ll have to vote on this. They’re going to have to specifically fund this monstrosity item by item one way or another, which means authorization and appropriations bills. They’re going to be gnawing on this sore tooth for as long as they’re in congress.
Maybe today will be as good as yesterday was here.
**Iowa Women Advance in the NCAA BB Tournament
**U of Iowa Repeats as NCAA Wrestling Champions
**University of Northern Iowa upsets Kansas
Pretty nice day yesterday in Iowa.
flyoverman, I am a Northern Iowa fan today, even though they helped break my bracket. Why? Because Obama’s Midas Touch had Kansas winning the whole thing. Sweet, and I hope an omen for this wreck of a healthcare bill, just as his Olympic failed trip to Copenhagen and his campaigning for losing Democrats. Will be cheering for UNI in the NCAA.
If the socialist healthcare disaster does happen, this is what is in store for the traitors…not that the Constitution is important to them:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/probable-constitutional-challenges-to-obamacare/?singlepage=true
“But at a terrible price.”
And we will retake our country but it will not be cheaply done.
These doomsdayers, and I’m sorry but Glen Beck has lost it, seem to forget that only 1/3 of our country was FOR freedom from England and the king.
We have work to do. It is not hopeless and we are not suddently the USSR.
The outcome of the vote today is almost irrelevant in terms of the reality before us. The fight is still in front of us. Will be for the rest of our lives and the lives of our children in whom we have hopefully instilled the value of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
The left is not going to disappear. The struggle against the tendency of mankind to become socialist and “progressives” will not cease.
Even our founders knew this to be the case.
It is us, we who are conservatives, who have over time let the truth of our need to be diligent and AWAKE slip. We are awake and will at least for a generation remain so.
But all its NOT lost. All is not hopeless. We are not suddenly a communist or socialist country.
Get a grip folks and get busy.
Lots of broken brackets today! Interesting tournament.
There are at least 37 states ready to file. All passing this bill will do is whack a hornets nest. The otherside is so mired in contortions they have lost sight of the next 6 moves in the chess match. Sucks to be them.
Maybe but she can’t out run the Devil.
Some threads of silver on this dark, cloudy day:
a.) if Pelosi “has the votes,” this bill would have passed last night;
b.) the bill is likely to fall apart in the senate, regardless of what Reid may offer his gimme members;
c.) everything the critics are saying about this law is true and the SCOTUS will overturn it.
SPOT ON, js. Spot on!
“All passing this bill will do is whack a hornets nest.”
At the end of the day Obama may end up with exactly the opposite of what he wants. He may end up with a less powerful federal government as states recover their lost power.
Lincoln could actually be rolling in his grave over the fruit obama’s ways might bear.
js,
Last week I posted something like this.
“Obama promised he would transform America. He should be careful what he is praying for. He may find the transformation he gets is found in his worst nightmare.”
This bill is danger, but also a huge opportunity.
flyoverman, your comment #82 on the huge opportunity, reminds me of this Winston Churchill quote:
Thank you for staying positive. We will win this and fight it if we need to.
I saw this comment today on Yahoo, and thought it interesting:
Give a man a fish, and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and feed him for a lifetime. Give an inept man that hates his country the Presidency, and he’ll feed off the nation for generations.
Precisely, Pasadena Phil.
That would be the entire thing.
See AmendmentX.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Don’t expect too much if this bill passes. Challenging its constitutionality will be difficult with all the resistance and court bias. It will be a long road to Scotus. Expect the using of the “general welfare” clause and “commerce clause”. At the last minute, it wouldn’t surprise me to see another obscure Thomas Jefferson letter to some friend, as the basis of its constitutionality. This congress and administration has done so much that’s unconstitutional already to tie up the courts for many years. Courts only hear what they want to hear. Pressure and protests are the only way to get the courts to hear the case. Non-violent civil disobedience coupled with an overwhelming election of conservatives will do it. These freshmen need to know that they are being watched, too.
Meanwhile, on to Bristol.
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HI JAMESGREENIDGE–#47. I don’t think this ObamaCare “cramdown” will be forgotten by the taxpayers. Remember–it has been necessary to lie, hide the bill, vote at midnight on Christmas Eve, have Comrade Obama (PBUH) make disingenuous (lacking sincerity, crafty) statements to hide the true costs of this bill.
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How will The Messiah hide the higher tax taken from all taxpayers? How will he hide the fact that companies are paying the fines and dropping their employee health care plans? And just wait until the 2010 tax year 1040 forms are filled out.
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Hope and Change and blaming the evil BOOOOSH and the RINO’s won’t work any more. And The One’s economic actions guarantee continued high unemployment, higher inflation, and higher fuel and energy costs for all. Just wait when He does His “hard pivot” to his C(R)AP and TAX and SHAMNESTY schemes! “Hide the Decline” isn’t going to fly–and His poll numbers will crash and burn like the Hindenburg did.
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John Bibb
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In spite of what may happen, the country is in the hands of the people. The dems may win this battle, but we will win the war because we have to win. We can’t let them have this country. We can’t let them use our money to drive this country into the ground. These Constitution shredders are traitors to the the the principles which made the country great. Bho spent his career trying to find ways around the Constitution. It’s time to shove the Constitution and all its restrictions on the federal gov back in his face.
HA is reporting that MSNBC is reporting that Stupak has gone to yes. HA says it’s not confirmed and could be a false report.
If it is true however, all the HE11 Stupak said he went through during the decision stage will pale in comparison. He will be the scape goat .. Pelosi’s deciding vote.
Might have been a good idea to check his ID instead of accepting an image posted on the internet.
ObamaCare = Taxation & Control.
Nothing in it is meant for healthcare.
Not just the media and schools but time is against us here. The insidious thing about socialism/nanny-statism is that they’re fatally addictive. If it wasn’t then half of Europe should’ve heaved it off by now despite their misgivings. Candyman Obama knows that once this country gets “the fix”, it’s extremely unlikely we will ever dump it. It’s a one-way street this country has never politically experienced. There’re just too many desperate people out there to whom he’s Santa Claus to, and once he gets the illegals legitimized by sheer favorable numbers, the Conservative party as we know it might find the fight simply too overwhelming to exist as we know it. Worst, “we” will get used to this change, like we have with Social Security. Our children in middle school will enter college believing Nanny-care (or even nanny-supplied housing) is as natural a right as breathing air. How does one fight one believing they’re in paradise? Yes, I fear we’ll survive, but not as we once were.
James Greenidge
Queens New York
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I’m tired of CNN (only going through the cable channels, and stopped briefly on it) saying that the Repubs don’t want to fix health care. WHY DOESN’T SOMEONE LISTEN?
On March 21st, 2010 at 1:02 pm, rocketman said:
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HI JAMESGREENIDGE–#47. I don’t think this ObamaCare “cramdown” will be forgotten by the taxpayers. Remember–it has been necessary to lie, hide the bill, vote at midnight on Christmas Eve, have Comrade Obama (PBUH) make disingenuous (lacking sincerity, crafty) statements to hide the true costs of this bill.
“Not just the media and schools but time is against us here.”
So and who cares? The idea that there is merit in continuing to puff up the opposition is flawed. Beck making a good living doing so.
Let’s see King George had what and who on his side?
It isn’t about Obama. Obama is a symptom. It’s about the government getting bigger and bigger, always finding some excuse to spend more of our money. Keeping us healthy is just the latest tagline.
Of those up for reelection, we the people voted to retain more than 90% of the Congress members who voted for TARP, and that dissent crossed party lines.
I wish my grandparents had fought harder against FDR.
There will be a lot of spin between now and early next week..Don’t over-react to rumors..keep the fight on.
Mind your helm.
The latest update on that post:
The Democratic Socialists are throwing everything they have, including Psychological Warfare. They are hoping to make fence-sitters think that Stupak will vote yes, hoping that that will make the fence-sitters get off the fence and join the “yes” side.
I still think that the fence-sitters should follow Obama’s example:
From RedState:
Contact Stupak and all other leaning reps
by typing in url: Congressman.(name)@mail.house.gov
My Dad sent this to me. Invaluable. You don’t have to go thru their websites. Sent Stupak an email this morning: Congressman.Stupak@mail.house.gov.
EVERYBODY CALL AND EMAIL TO LET HIM KNOW NOT TO FOLD AND TO LET HIM KNOW WE WON’T BE FOOLED BY AN EO FROM OBAMA.
I always wonder what goes through dive bomber’s minds as they make their dive on their targets. Just imagine all the “reasons” they had and have to pull up and call it a day. Real “reasons” flying at them. Knew the risk and the cost but the eventual outcome of the bigger picture was valued higher then the immeadiate.
Seems like we can figure out how to stay the course now….
There were thousands of Japanese on Corregidor and they were dug in and ready for the Americans. The island was so small only eight guys at a time could jump out of the planes. Eight guys against thousands. Yet we prevailed.
Stay strong and pray God gives us the strength to save our republic.
On March 21st, 2010 at 1:20 pm, Virginia Patriot said:
Hint: It was the same people we are talking about in this post.
“the same people we are talking”
Navy dive bombers said Obama was born in Hawaii?
Talk about attempting to stick a non related subject into a thread about the health care issue….
Give it a rest or find some place else to post the Obama birther stuff.
If this executive order is so great and binding, and Stupak votes (like a fool) for it, then why aren’t the pro-choice abortionists screaming mad and threatening to vote no?
What a fool. It is obvious to anyone that this piece of paper (the EO) means nothing but a bribe with a wink and promise to him.
I hope Stupak enjoyed his fifteen mintues of fame as he sells out millions of the unborn and starts us on a path to socialism.
I keep thinking it would be poetic justice if in the end they can’t get the votes because of abortion. And that at last the politically blind in this country are getting a good look at what the Democrats really are. God help our Republic in this time of trouble.
I’ve started calling everyone on the list posted previously. Of the offices I can get through to about half say that the voice mail is full. On the ones where I can leave a message my comment is brief and to the point: “I hope Congressperson(‘whomever’) has their resume in order because if they vote yes today, in November they will need it.”