Attorneys general launch lawsuit backlash against Demcare

By Michelle Malkin  •  March 22, 2010 01:11 AM

In January, I blogged about the first line of defense against Demcare by the states: Opt-out initiatives.

The backlash continued over the last several weeks with state attorneys general signaling plans to sue the feds. Idaho’s governor signed an order last week.

Tomorrow, several AGs will unveil their official efforts:

VIRGINIA:

Virginia will file suit against the federal government charging that the health-care reform legislation is unconstitutional, Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli’s office confirmed last night.

Cuccinelli is expected to argue that the bill, with its mandate that requires nearly every American to be insured by 2014, violates the commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution. The attorney general’s office will file suit once President Barack Obama signs the bill into law, which could occur early this week.

SOUTH CAROLINA:

After the U.S. House’s historic vote Sunday night passing the health care reform bill, South Carolina Attorney General Henry McMaster issued the following statement:

“The health care legislation Congress passed tonight is an assault against the Constitution of the United States. It contains various provisions and federal mandates that are clearly unconstitutional and must not be allowed to stand.

A legal challenge by the States appears to be the only hope of protecting the American people from this unprecedented attack on our system of government.

FLORIDA:

Moments after Congress voted to approve President Obama’s health care legislation, Florida’s Attorney General announced he will file a lawsuit to declare the bill unconstitutional.

…”The health care reform legislation passed by the U. S. House of Representatives this evening clearly violates the U.S. Constitution and infringes on each state’s sovereignty,” Bill McCollum said in a statement distributed late Sunday night.

Texas, Nebraska, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Washington, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma and Alabama are expected to join the campaign.

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  1. #1
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:18 am, feebiebabe said:

    If they’ll have us eating Cake…. I say, let them eat Dirt!

    I’m seeing red at the moment. Can’t type, must sleep.

    Thanks, Michelle, for keeping us posted and staying up late to give us the latest.

    Good night.

  2. #2
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:22 am, Hadenough said:

    Being a resident of Washington state I’m shocked we’re on the list. Western WA is a lib mecca.

  3. #3
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:24 am, cabrerski said:

    Thank you to the honorable Attorneys General that will carry the fight to the villians.

    Somebody make sure that the Supreme Court is awake and up to their task of ensuring the true meaning of the Constitution.

  4. #4
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:27 am, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Of course, California isn’t one of the states filing lawsuits, so it’s really time to move out of here. The sooner the better.

    I can’t take it anymore…

  5. #5
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:28 am, BlameAmericaLast said:

    @cabrerski Let’s just hope none of the conservative judges on the SC retire anytime soon. That will spell major disaster and another victory for Obama.

  6. #6
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:30 am, love2rumba said:

    Being a resident of Washington state I’m shocked we’re on the list. Western WA is a lib mecca.

    Washington state wasn’t always a lib Mecca…it became that when the libs, after polluting other localities back East, moved West.

  7. #7
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:35 am, drfredc said:

    Did I just become a slave to Obama and the Demoncrats — forced to slave away since health care is a right and I have none?

    Perhaps us docs should just take a week or two off to think about it…

  8. #8
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:39 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    What happens to people in Massachusetts who already legally opted out of the state’s mandated insurance profits via a religious exclusion affidavit?

    Section 3. An individual shall be exempt from section 2 if he files a sworn affidavit with his income tax return stating that he did not have creditable coverage and that his sincerely held religious beliefs are the basis of his refusal to obtain and maintain creditable coverage during the 12 months of the taxable year for which the return was filed.

    Calling Mitt Romney…

  9. #9
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:40 am, ThackerAgency said:

    None of this really matters. They’ll claim ‘historic’ but the only thing remotely ‘historic’ about it is the amount of money they spend.

    Understand the context by comparing their concept of ‘excessive government spending’.

    These people think that it is appropriate for the government to spend 1.7T more than they bring in THIS YEAR! 1T over 10 years is NOTHING to them.

  10. #10
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:41 am, Wyatt Earp said:

    My home state of Pennsylvania is on the list? Suh-weet! Maybe the Birthplace of Freedom can exert some from the iron grip of Obama.

  11. #11
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:41 am, aggiebc said:

    I know Ms. Malkin mentioned Texas possibly getting involved, but here’s a couple of links about Mr. Abbot’s (our state Attorney General) response.

    From the AG’s official website, about Texas getting involved and the basis for suit

    And from his Facebook page:

    Just got off the AG conference call. We agreed that a multi-state lawsuit would send the strongest signal. We plan to file the moment Obama signs the bill. I anticipate him signing it tomorrow. Check back for an update at that time. I will post a link to the lawsuit when it is filed. It will lay out why the bill is unconstitutional and tramples individual and states rights.

    So Texas is squarely in on this challenge. While Obama’s talking about making history, I wonder when, if ever, the last time this many states challenged a piece of legislation passed by the Fed Gov.

  12. #12
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:45 am, ThackerAgency said:

    But here’s the thing. This doesn’t solve the problem. Insurance companies will make LOTS more money now than ever before.

    Medicare will have to be fixed soon. If Pelosi thinks 9 years is good, she should tell the 56 year olds how significant this legislation is.

    We can’t afford it. There is not enough money in the world to pay for this system the way Obama/Reid/Pelosi want it set up. This bill wasn’t for the American people, but it will be paid BY the American people.

    The doctors and hospitals will stop taking government insurance. When that happens, the government will actually do something to fix the system. It will happen within 10 years.

    It’s going to get real bad before too long, but it’s only for another couple of months. Obama will go down as the most hated and inept politician ever. At least Carter didn’t leave a legacy of government waste and expenditures like Obama will.

    They complain about the money for the military and the war. . . I agree we spend too much there. But wars end. This government spending program will last until DC is bankrupt literally.

  13. #13
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:53 am, AmericanPatriot said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:41 am, Wyatt Earp said:
    My home state of Pennsylvania is on the list? Suh-weet! Maybe the Birthplace of Freedom can exert some from the iron grip of Obama.

    Remember, Wyatt, the AG Tom Corbett is running for Guv. Good for some brownie points.

    Also heard one of the Repubs today saying that Fast Eddie Rendell acknowledger we couldn’t afford it

  14. #14
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 2:03 am, wren said:

    We are going to need every State government to help us get our health care system out from under the thumb of our Federal Government!

    Vote Democats out of office at the Federal, State and Local levels!

    Make sure you have strong candidates running for all of your State and Local offices!

    Campaigns need to build momentum ASAP!

    Check the candidate filing deadlines for your state via the Secretary of State office for your state.

  15. #15
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 2:25 am, traveler49 said:

    Alas, no Oregon.

  16. #16
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:04 am, kurthanson said:

    This “health-care” monstrosity has me raging mad! I’ve never been politically active, but that has changed – thank you Obama for motivating me to action. I will do everything in my power to thwart Comrade Obama and his minions from destroying this country. Dems say health-care is a right – why then are they making it a requirement?

    The first step is to challenge the rule that will force private citizens to buy insurance or go to jail.

    If it’s allowed to stand – what will keep the Fuhrer from forcing us to buy crappy Government Motors cars?

  17. #17
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:12 am, jamesgreenidge said:

    To really make this work nationally, we need some kind of umbrella personal opt-out initiatives/exemptions for folks who live in deep blue states like New York/New York City who won’t go this path. Opt-out promoters please consider this!

    James Greenidge
    Queens New York

  18. #18
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:16 am, Freddy said:

    Somehow individual rights is never mentioned. Seems like many ‘experts’ do not understand there are 300+ million people that can file a lawsuit against the federal government over this bill!

    And yes, they all have ‘standing’ to file such a suit!

  19. #19
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 4:06 am, JonB said:

    My guess is that all of these challenges will magically disappear into thin air for reasons that the sleeping masses will swallow without question, when underneath it all, it will simply be a matter of the federal government having told the mis-guided states that they can either shut up, or have all federal funding cut off.

    Can’t really even say that these lawsuits are anything more than a gesture to try and fool people into thinking that the unconstitutionality of this disaster was honestly challenged in court and then proven wrong.

  20. #20
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 5:22 am, marsouin said:

    Soros got his money’s worth! After several decades, the socialists finally did it. And there’s no turning back.

  21. #21
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 5:22 am, Uplander said:

    By the time these challenges reach SCOTUS 1 or 2 Justices will have been replaced by ‘The Won’.

  22. #22
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 5:58 am, CW4_KGP said:

    BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

    mmmmm MMMM MMMMM!

    Constitution, shmonstitution. Libs know it’s just a piece of paper. And SanFranNan would burn it sooner than learn it.

    As Samuel F.B. Morse tapped out in his first telegraph message: What hath God wrought?

    May the people rise up and take back America.

  23. #23
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 7:14 am, Flyoverman said:

    My Dem State AG is an even bigger idiot than our Dem governor, so…. thanks for the support other states.

  24. #24
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 7:18 am, englishqueen01 said:

    What happens to people in Massachusetts who already legally opted out of the state’s mandated insurance profits via a religious exclusion affidavit?

    Religion doesn’t matter to the Obama administration? Didn’t you get the memo…only those who support him get the benefit of the First Amendment.

    Somehow individual rights is never mentioned. Seems like many ‘experts’ do not understand there are 300+ million people that can file a lawsuit against the federal government over this bill!

    I want to sue because this bill contains measures that result in unequal protection under the law. My family will not have access to the same medical care of our politicians and their families. Where do I file?

    And – if you or someone you know works for an insurance company – I highly suggest anyone (insurance, employer) who has to raise rates/cut salaries/lay off people because of this include a memo worded thusly:

    Your insurance rates are going up/pay is being cut/job is being eliminated because the passage of the healthcare “reform” legislation has created a plethora of new tax burdens for insurance companies/employers across the nation. Democrats will tell you this is OUR fault and they are trying to help…but they are the ones to blame. If you have a complaint, take it to the Democrats in Congress and the White House and vote accordingly in 2010 and 2012. DEMOCRATIC policies had this impact on you.

  25. #25
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 7:44 am, jfish said:

    Thank God. I hope these state AG’s pull it off. Seems like if even one of them can make a successful challenge at any level, it will be an excellent opening for full challenge of the ‘law’.

  26. #26
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 8:32 am, RobM1981 said:

    Does anyone think we could get 34 state legislatures to call for a Constitutional Convention?

  27. #27
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 8:38 am, stillontheroad said:

    Has anyone, anywhere trying to stage a National Day of defiance? Just one day for everyone who works to take a no-pay day. That day there will be no taxes taken, no revenue, nothing.

  28. #28
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 am, Connect the Dots said:

    Alas, Ohio is currently a demoncrat stronghold, but I suspect & pray that will change in November.

  29. #29
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 9:01 am, Truesoldier said:

    #2On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:22 am, Hadenough said:
    Being a resident of Washington state I’m shocked we’re on the list. Western WA is a lib mecca.

    I am not surprised to see WA St on the list (I too am from WA ST). OUr Attorney General is a Republican and fairly Conservative. He has said in the past that he works for the people of the state not the state itself. By the way, look for the AG (Rob McKenna) to be making a run for the Governor in 2012.

  30. #30
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 9:04 am, oregonelam said:

    If the legal route doesn’t work, I hope the states have their own “Slaughter” solution as a back-up….to be called the “Ft Sumter” solution.

  31. #31
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 9:07 am, BOB said:

    If you got a federal tax refund this year, don’t forget to change your withholding so you come out very close to even.

    Don’t let the sorry ba$tards use your money tax free during the year.

    I’m changing mine today, giving myself a whopping $40/mo. raise.

  32. #32
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 9:09 am, Ron said:

    Texas had BETTER join that campaign or Rick Perry will be sitting on the curb in November. For all his conservative talk, he’s done precious little to back up his words as far as I can see.

  33. #33
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 am, TigerLady said:

    By the way, where are all the libs who visit this site? Where is RSS telling us that this is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Where is NYK gloating and bloviating?

  34. #34
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    RobM1981 said:

    Does anyone think we could get 34 state legislatures to call for a Constitutional Convention?

    Currently, no.

    But after 2012? Perhaps. Especially if the Dems continue to socialize Amerika. After more over reaching and two elections, there won’t be enough liberals in Washington to stop a revolt.

  35. #35
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 am, jrgdds said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:35 am, drfredc said:

    Did I just become a slave to Obama and the Demoncrats — forced to slave away since health care is a right and I have none?

    Perhaps us docs should just take a week or two off to think about it…

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 2:25 am, traveler49 said:

    Alas, no Oregon.

    I will see how these challenges play out over the next couple of years.

    If the Supremes do not overturn this abomination, I will retire. I have never been inclined to work for the government, and I do not intend to start now. At the moment, obamanites may have a right to healthcare, but I do not have an obligation to be part of its delivery system.

  36. #36
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 9:45 am, Lindsay said:

    Thanks, Michelle, for all you do.

    I live in Florida, land of the orange governor, and home of the next US Senator, Marco Rubio.

    I thank AG McCollum for fighting back, and I wish success to all of these AG’s.

    I am ready to fight (as well as praying to God to save our country). I had my day of sadness and am over it. Tell me where to sign up to fight, and I will be there for taking our country back in November. I pray that November day will be the vote heard around the world, and true democracy in action. ACORN and the Demoncraps, be warned, as you are in for a November Surprise.

  37. #37
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 9:57 am, tre said:

    I saw Oklahoma there. Finally that Obamaniac Brad Henry is doing something right.

  38. #38
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 am, plymouthacclaim said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 8:32 am, RobM1981 said
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    RE: a Constitutional Comvention.

    Be careful what you wish for. There is a severe lack of statesmen lately and a surplus of statists. I’m afraid that a ConCon could be a bad idea.

    Since we haven’t had a Constitutional Convention since 1787, I think we should ask ourselves a few questions before trying for one.

  39. #39
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 am, plymouthacclaim said:

    Comvention = Convention

    :slapforehead:

  40. #40
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:09 am, WarEagle82 said:

    They may just be getting started but so is the TEA Party Movement!

    It only takes 34 states to amend the constitution. If 38 states are joining with Virginia’s legal response to this monstrosity I say, not only continue on that front but call a convention to amend the constitution to outlaw this action. If the focus of the convention is limited to this one case I think it would send a pretty powerful message to these BLOODY COMMUNISTS in Congress!

    Frankly, I am tired of them bribing each other with OUR MONEY! This is NOT acceptable to free people!

  41. #41
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 am, b-cat said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 am, TigerLady said:
    By the way, where are all the libs who visit this site? Where is RSS telling us that this is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Where is NYK gloating and bloviating?

    They mocked us for labelling the Democrat Party and the progressive movement as communist. It is now demonstrably true in obvious ways. No one likes to be that wrong. No one enjoys being a public fool.

  42. #42
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am, Truesoldier said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:09 am, WarEagle82 said:
    If the focus of the convention is limited to this one case I think it would send a pretty powerful message to these BLOODY COMMUNISTS in Congress!

    Yet that is the problem, if a Constitutional Convention is called there is no way to guarantee that it would be kept to the one issue. Once called anything could be presented and voted on and you know as well as I that the ones “elected” to go to the convention would be politicians and that is what has gotten us into this mess in the first place.

    Though I agree that something needs to be done, I believe that the best way to send a message is to vote the bums out.

    I would hope that all the opponents of all those D’s that voted for this monstrosity are going to run on a repeal the bill platform (and then follow through with that platform after eleceted).

  43. #43
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:19 am, MacEamonn said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:35 am, drfredc said:

    Did I just become a slave to Obama and the Demoncrats — forced to slave away since health care is a right and I have none?

    Perhaps us docs should just take a week or two off to think about it…

    A Doctors strike would be bad for all of us…but it might be the only thing that might get the “sheeples” attention

  44. #44
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 am, cheapseat said:

    PLYMOUTH, A Con Con seems to me to be preferable to another civil war. I for one am tired of being told by my gubmint that it is my responsibility to pay for people who have had the exact same OPPORTUNITIES as me, but CHOSE to never invest in themselves. I CHOSE to get an education when I got out of the military. I CHOSE to marry a good woman, buy a house instead of a car, have a family, stay out of the bars and out of between the legs of loose women, and I Chose to invest my money and efforts in building a business. NOW MY GUBMINT IS CHOOSING TO MAKE ME RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY (_*_) WHO DIDN’T INVEST IN THEMSELVES IN EITHER MONEY OR EFFORT. BUY GOLD, GO GAULT.

  45. #45
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:24 am, Pat said:

    Has Ahnold or our AG woken up yet in their gilded cages?

    They’re trying to figure out how to get some billions to close up their spending holes.

    I live here, but I say “let the lights go out.” You can’t reason with these people.

  46. #46
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:28 am, WarEagle82 said:

    Yes, we all know a convention could do “anything.” But we all know that building consensus for “anything” would be difficult. And I believe those at the convention would know so too.

    They would know they have a great chance of overturning this latest power grab. They would also know they don’t have the consensus for a great deal of other things.

    In all, what we have done up to this point clearly hasn’t worked. I am pretty well convinced that if the federal government is going to be reined in it will be with this nuclear option.

    I don’t see Washington reforming itself…

  47. #47
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:31 am, MacEamonn said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am, Truesoldier said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:09 am, WarEagle82 said:
    If the focus of the convention is limited to this one case I think it would send a pretty powerful message to these BLOODY COMMUNISTS in Congress!

    Yet that is the problem, if a Constitutional Convention is called there is no way to guarantee that it would be kept to the one issue. Once called anything could be presented and voted on and you know as well as I that the ones “elected” to go to the convention would be politicians and that is what has gotten us into this mess in the first place.

    Though I agree that something needs to be done, I believe that the best way to send a message is to vote the bums out.

    I would hope that all the opponents of all those D’s that voted for this monstrosity are going to run on a repeal the bill platform (and then follow through with that platform after eleceted).

    Anything a Constitutional Convention would come up with would still have to be approved by 3/4 of the States. That would hopefully weed out any weirdness.

    Article V

    The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

  48. #48
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:38 am, jrgdds said:

    They may just be getting started but so is the TEA Party Movement!

    It only takes 34 states to amend the constitution. If 38 states are joining with Virginia’s legal response to this monstrosity I say, not only continue on that front but call a convention to amend the constitution to outlaw this action. If the focus of the convention is limited to this one case I think it would send a pretty powerful message to these BLOODY COMMUNISTS in Congress!

    Frankly, I am tired of them bribing each other with OUR MONEY! This is NOT acceptable to free people!

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am, Truesoldier said:

    Yet that is the problem, if a Constitutional Convention is called there is no way to guarantee that it would be kept to the one issue. Once called anything could be presented and voted on and you know as well as I that the ones “elected” to go to the convention would be politicians and that is what has gotten us into this mess in the first place.

    If they were to call an article five convention, each state has would have one representitive. Liberal strongholds such as CA and NY would have one vote, the same number as each “Flyover” state. America is still center right. I wish they would call an article five convention. It may be the only way we can throw off the yoke of the federal government and re-asert our rights as free people.

  49. #49
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:53 am, WarEagle82 said:

    Over the past few years as I have morphed from a Republican-Conservative to a Conservative I have come to see that the federal government IS THE PROBLEM.

    It is pointless to sit on our hands and wait for the impossible to happen. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t participate in the political process and try and elect true conservatives to office. But that in itself is insufficient.

    The states created the constitution and the federal government. It is time for the states to rein in the monster that now sits on the Potomac. Waiting for this festering boil to lance itself is pointless. We might as well wait for the mafia to reform itself and the Mexican government to control illegal immigration.

    The states have the power to clean up this mess. It may have to take place one step at a time. But, I don’t believe it is going to happen without some forceful action on the part of the states. But we can’t sit on our hands hoping that the federal government will see the error of its ways and reform itself…

  50. #50
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 11:03 am, Truesoldier said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:53 am, WarEagle82 said:
    The states created the constitution and the federal government. It is time for the states to rein in the monster that now sits on the Potomac.

    I agree fully that the states need to start invoking their rights under the 10th Amendment.

    Amendment X

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    The states AG’s should be suing the federal government every single time they overstep their bounds. As the ammendment states if the power is not granted to Congress by the Constitution and the power is not prohibited by the Constitution then it belongs to the states.

  51. #51
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 11:04 am, b-cat said:

    I have come to see that the federal government IS THE PROBLEM.

    The states created the constitution and the federal government. It is time for the states to rein in the monster that now sits on the Potomac.

    I agree. I am heartened by the recent election in VA and the quick action taken by our legislators, governor, and now as illustrated above, our AG.

    We are United States, not a vast empire ruled over by an authoritarian central government. Our several states are sovereign and we MUST reassert that fact.

  52. #52
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 11:12 am, Kevin K. said:

    I don’t like the Constitutional Convention idea as a) once called it may do whatever it wants (our current Constitution was supposed to merely have been an adjustment to the Article of Confederation and you see what a radical difference it is) and b) there is no reason to think that the professional politicians would follow a new Constitution any more than they are following the one we have now.

  53. #53
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 11:35 am, TigerLady said:

    JonB said:
    My guess is that all of these challenges will magically disappear into thin air for reasons that the sleeping masses will swallow without question, when underneath it all, it will simply be a matter of the federal government having told the mis-guided states that they can either shut up, or have all federal funding cut off.
    Can’t really even say that these lawsuits are anything more than a gesture to try and fool people into thinking that the unconstitutionality of this disaster was honestly challenged in court and then proven wrong.

    Precisely–you can like it to Stupak saying he won’t vote for the bill because of his firm, solid conviction regarding abortion. How long did it take for him to cave?

  54. #54
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 11:38 am, TigerLady said:

    b-cat said:

    I agree but I don’t believe any of them actually see the damage that’s been done. I believe they still baa along with the other sheeple who voted this monstrosity in office. They won’t get it until the damage is done and it is shown to them.

    Sad to watch the dismantling of a nation and sad to watch stupid people call it progress.

  55. #55
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 11:44 am, babiesgrandma said:

    The way I see it: those members of Congress who feel that they are in the right by supporting this drastic change in our government also feel that they are above it all. I heard Sebelius (D-Liar) on TV this am, saying we all can finally be able to have the same health care choices as Congress does. Huh?

    I’d like a Congress member have to choose between paying forced insurance premiums or buying groceries — not too far-fetched to think that it’s coming. and coming soon.

  56. #56
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 11:54 am, TigerLady said:

    heard Sebelius (D-Liar) on TV this am, saying we all can finally be able to have the same health care choices as Congress does. Huh?

    Was there a question that these guys are either crooked or idiots?

  57. #57
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 12:03 pm, MacEamonn said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 11:44 am, babiesgrandma said:

    The way I see it: those members of Congress who feel that they are in the right by supporting this drastic change in our government also feel that they are above it all. I heard Sebelius (D-Liar) on TV this am, saying we all can finally be able to have the same health care choices as Congress does. Huh?.

    She merely forgot the part about having to get elected first.

  58. #58
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 12:04 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    It is not a question of whether they are crooked or idiots. It is most likely that they are crooked idiots. There is no need to establish a false dichotomy here…

  59. #59
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 12:05 pm, babiesgrandma said:

    TigerLady: I have no qualms in believing that they are liars and cheats. They have reached a new low in distancing themselves from the people and our wishes. My point stands: try living in the real world. Try getting a job WITHOUT having had a famous father that you “wished a happy 87th birthday” to on Fox & Friends, and recognizing his role in the House of Representatives in the first medicare bill was passed in 1965. Took advantage of a generous “fair and balanced” host to slip that in.

  60. #60
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 12:07 pm, babiesgrandma said:

    BTW, not arguing with anyone here, just expressing my frustrations about the whole “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help” mentality that many uninformed people fell for.

  61. #61
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 12:20 pm, misterbee241 said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 5:22 am, marsouin said:

    Soros got his money’s worth! After several decades, the socialists finally did it. And there’s no turning back.

    My opinion is (just because I cant prove it) that Soros bought and paid for and owns Obama.

  62. #62
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 12:35 pm, b-cat said:

    Rush says the lawsuits will go nowhere. If so, when does the counter-counter-revolution begin?

  63. #63
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 12:56 pm, martin.musculus said:

    While I have my qualms abt a CCon, if we, the people of our various states, do force a call, there are at least 6 issues we need in 6 separate amendments, (each voted on its own worth and not as a package…):

    (1) balanced budget

    (2) term limits, including the group of political operatives who are “only staffers”, since even good men elected have been suborned by the unchanging group who staff the offices.

    (3) clearly set the American People as having standing to enforce the provisions of the Constitution directly through the judicial system.*

    (4) All bills must have a clear delineation of Authority Under The Constitution. By requiring any bill to have its pedigree directly traceable specific clauses in the Constitution we will clear a lot of this non-sense away.

    (5) an Amendment that repeals all laws that do not “have pedigree” descending from the Constitution.

    (6) An Amendment PROHIBITING the use of any law from foreign lands, or family of Stare decisis descending from such as the basis for declaring Constitutionality of a law in the United States of America. Also, the immediate repealing of said families of laws.

    *: When such a case occurs where the “political class” is the only one who is considered to have standing to challenge and enforce a clear Constitutional Directive (and yes, flamers, I am thinking of the “Natural Born Citizen” issue — although I can see the political class using “Standing” and a willing SCOTUS for other “troublesome” issues…) we are in deep trouble. If we cannot force enforcement of the Constitutional Process and Requirements through the Courts because of “Standing” we are left with the method outlined in the Declaration Of Independence to redress our grievances with our government — reconstitution! Yes, it would be bloody and painful and worth it, nothing is more precious than freedom, but why unnecessarily court the prospect?

    Why is it the only recourse offered by SCOTUS when the entire political class, who through either avarice or cowardice colludes to suborn Constitutional processes, is to “shut up & sit-down”? All because nine “priests”, untouchable except by that political class they are charged to ride herd on, (see FDR & “Packing the Court”…) says that the Final Check & Balance of Constitutional Processes (We The People) have NO standing? Essentially you have the Government specifying what parts of the Constitution they are willing to allow US, The Citizens to enforce. If the Political Class packs SCOTUS with Anti-Constitutionalists, and then the Houses pass a law stating that all protections from the Bill Of Rights are null & void, there is nothing to stop SCOTUS from saying that only an officer of the government has standing, since the lack of a CCon to amend The Constitution to abrogate the BoR is “only about process”. Just as has happened with a similar argument, that of Barry’s dual loyalties. (Although the joke about that was on us “birthers”neither of the dual loyalties are to The United States or The Constitution… I’d laugh at the joke, but would have to cry instead.)

    : see “suborn”, definition #1

  64. #64
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:08 pm, CrazyFool said:

    And if the lawsuit doesn’t work – will the states call for a Constitutional Convention?

  65. #65
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:14 pm, TigerLady said:

    babiesgrandma said:
    BTW, not arguing with anyone here, just expressing my frustrations about the whole “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help” mentality that many uninformed people fell for.

    I fully understand.. I had a grandfather who loved the Democrat party. He bought their lies and worked tirelessly for them. They gave him a pittance in return. He never saw that he sold his soul to them. He died in poverty but by god, he was a DEMOCRAT. My mother hated his devotion to them and taught us conservative values.

  66. #66
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:23 pm, babiesgrandma said:

    TigerLady said: I had a grandfather who loved the Democrat party

    Yes – my grandfather (who lived to be 99 1/2 years old) had worked for the gubmint — IRS — as a desk clerk. He loved the gubmint. He retired from the gubmint.

    The only thing that saved him from his retirement at age 65 until his death at age 99.5 was some oil royalties that started coming in on some land he had bought in the early 1900′s. As it was, he had to live with my mother, and put a burden on her for most of his latter years.

    And yet, he was a Democrat through and through. Thought they could do no wrong.

    *sigh* I am so sad now for our country.

  67. #67
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 1:38 pm, aggiebc said:

    These lawsuits might actually stand a chance. It’s going to take some of the most twisted, convoluted reasoning I’ve ever seen for the Supreme Court to find it constitutional that Congress can mandate you to do or buy something just by virtue of existing.

    Which isn’t to say that some of the justices aren’t up to such mental contortions, but their opinion would be a joke if they upheld this.

  68. #68
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 2:01 pm, TigerLady said:

    *sigh* I am so sad now for our country.

    Ditto. More for my children and future grand children. We haven’t seen the worst of this but they will.

  69. #69
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 2:24 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    I agree fully that the states need to start invoking their rights under the 10th Amendment.

    If they had done so from the get-go, and stood their ground, we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place.

    Sadly, neither of the “big” political parties cares much about states’ rights.

    Perhaps it’s time they were replaced with something like this. This step is essential whether it is applied within one of the big parties or as a separate party altogether. Donks and Phants as we know them must cease to exist, or our beloved America will continue to decline into oblivion.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  70. #70
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 2:26 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 12:35 pm, b-cat said:

    Rush says the lawsuits will go nowhere. If so, when does the counter-counter-revolution begin?

    The logic behind the lawsuits going nowhere, from my understanding, is that the federal courts will rule that this is a “non-judiciable” political issue and so refuse to hear the case(s). I have a hard time disagreeing with that and for what it’s worth, here is why.

    The Republicans are not exhausting all political means available to them to confront the constitutionality of the bill. Although it is being reported that several Republicans are “questioning the constitutionality” of the bill, they have not stated it clearly in public nor incorporated it into any formal language in the process leading to the bill’s passage.

    And today, Romney, Boehner, Palin, Gingrich and even DeMint are already launching the Republican campaign to “repeal the bill”. This, in my opinion, is an acknowledgment by the GOP that the bill IS constitutional because they are choosing to pursue other available political alternatives. We conservatives are once again falling into the RINO LOTE trap.

    We conservatives should be preparing for the latest attack from Republicans very soon because it is coming. We are already back to the tired “big tent” RINO arguments from the same corrupt GOP leaders.

  71. #71
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 2:33 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Where is RSS telling us that this is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Where is NYK gloating and bloviating?

    Too busy working their Capitalist Pig jobs to crow over the Marxist takeover of healthcare. They have too, their taxes just shot way up.

  72. #72
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 2:33 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Oops -sorry strike that stike…

  73. #73
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 2:34 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Too early and too mad.

  74. #74
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 2:41 pm, Tuesday said:

    Why all the gloomy predictions? Are you giving up the fight? This is only one battle in the war that was brought to us, not of our choosing. We shall prevail. Giving up is not an option.
    Let us, then be up and doing,
    With a heart for any fate;
    Still achieving, still pursuing,
    Learn to labour and to wait
    .”

    United we can do a lot. The State AGs suits are a start. Do not allow any socialist into any elected positions. That means we should all get off our duffs and start campaigning NOW. Attend your local Tea Party meetings. It pays to be around people of like mind.

  75. #75
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 2:52 pm, valleygreaser said:

    P-Phil keeps up his attack on the Republicans in response to what the democrats have done with no GOP support whatsoever. He has identified the enemy as “Romney, Boehner, Palin, Gingrich and even DeMint.” Uh, couldn’t maybe Obama, Reid, Pelosi get a little bit of the blame? According to PP, Republicans calling for repeal of the bill are somehow “supporting” it. The mind boggles.

  76. #76
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 2:56 pm, TigerLady said:

    Tuesday said:

    Bravo. Wish I knew how to do the little smiley face with the hand claps. We need patriots to remind us of the 1/3 of colonists who believed in freedom and fought against the naysayers so long ago. I will never give up or give in.

  77. #77
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:03 pm, SirKnob said:

    This is going to get ugly. Thomas More Law Center is going to file a suit a well. These guys practice the first rule of law ‘never file a case you cannot win’ Go TMCL :-)

  78. #78
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:03 pm, valleygreaser said:

    Tuesday said:

    Yeah, what Tuesday said!

  79. #79
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:07 pm, rightwingmom said:

    Jim Abbott has started TX’s lawsuit against Obamacare
    the Socialist takeover!

  80. #80
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:13 pm, valleygreaser said:

    Hopefully the states will prevail in the Supreme Court but if not, the states need to defend their sovereignty and make it clear that not even the Supreme Court can override the 10th Ammendment. The people, the states, created the federal government and the federal courts and WE are sovereign.

  81. #81
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:19 pm, dan708 said:

    I’m surprised that PA will be joining in the anti-ObamaCare lawsuits. Gov Ed Rendell is a machine politician of the lowest order. At least our state Atty Gen has a lick of sense.

  82. #82
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 2:52 pm, valleygreaser said:

    RINO alert!

  83. #83
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm, emjem24 said:

    I want this bill so tied up in legal red tape that it never sees the light of day. I want the people who voted for this health care monster to suffer and pay for their treasonous choices. I also want any voter who voted for these people to pay as well.

    I want the Republicans to finally INVESTIGATE the sham that is the Dem party. The bribes. The deal making. The pork. I want it now. Not when it’s convenient.

    Finally, I want the US government to make it plain to those on the dole: if you won’t work for it, if you game the system, we’ll throw you out of the country. This includes illegals. I know, I know…. I’ll hold my breath on that one.

    One final note to all: please check out the hillbuzz and hillary is 44 websites. They are quite informative about the shenanigans of the Dem party. These people should know: they are Hillary supporters and were subjected to it first-hand.

    One more thing: we MUST have a broad coalition of Independents, Moderates, Conservatives, and Dems to fight this bill. The hillbuzz folks are already targeting the Dem doners and those who voted for healthcare welfare. We must work together, combine our forces and information to see this thing defeated.

    If we don’t…. kiss this representative republic goodbye.

  84. #84
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:37 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Daily Kos Moby Divide and Conquer alert.

  85. #85
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:44 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Lets really teach the GOP a lesson and keep the Dems in power in Congress and the White House by voting third party and splitting the vote.

    That’ll teach those RINOs like Pence, Ryan, Kevin Brady, Texas AG Greg Abbott, Dr. Coburn and Senator DeMint a lesson.

    Eight years of Obama, entrenched Marxism, and the end of free elections, that’ll teach those RINOs a lesson, by golly.

  86. #86
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:44 pm, emjem24 said:

    jamesgreenidge said:
    To really make this work nationally, we need some kind of umbrella personal opt-out initiatives/exemptions for folks who live in deep blue states like New York/New York City who won’t go this path. Opt-out promoters please consider this!

    James Greenidge
    Queens New York

    James,

    This is a good idea. However, we must go deeper to see this thing defeated. This country has no business equalizing the healthcare playing field for people with pre-existing conditions who are not of the same risk pool as those who don’t have pre-existing conditions. I think that is patently unfair. This is why eventually the private healthcare industry will just eventually disappear because we want to be “fair” to everybody at the expense of the country’s financial health.

    We also must defeat the politicians in NYS. We must also target the state legislators and local movers and shakers. As a former upstater and someone who absentee votes in the NY 17th district, we must focus on kicking out these politicians. New York is a cess pool swimming in corruption and nearing bankruptcy so it’s time to shine a light on who votes for these people, why, and how these “representatives” get to office and how they “represent.”

  87. #87
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:45 pm, nail49 said:

    This government spending program will last until DC is bankrupt literally.

    TA: What, are they now only bankrupt figuratively?

    the federal government having told the mis-guided states that they can either shut up, or have all federal funding cut off.

    Sloop JonB: Then it will be time for the states to tell the feds to ‘kiss off’ collecting taxes in their respective states. If it comes to a shooting war, D.C. doesn’t stand a chance!

    6 separate amendments

    martin.musculus I would add one more — a bill can be about only one item (e.g., no more rolling student loans in with healthcare). This would also eliminate pork — if a CongressCritter can’t/won’t stand up and justify my tax dollars going to his district in a bill before the House, then it dies right there!

  88. #88
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:50 pm, jrgdds said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:44 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Lets really teach the GOP a lesson and keep the Dems in power in Congress and the White House by voting third party and splitting the vote.

    That’ll teach those RINOs like Pence, Ryan, Kevin Brady, Texas AG Greg Abbott, Dr. Coburn and Senator DeMint a lesson.

    Eight years of Obama, entrenched Marxism, and the end of free elections, that’ll teach those RINOs a lesson, by golly.

    … or we can thin the RINO herd in the primary elections…

  89. #89
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:54 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Thinning the herd. Send money to JD and Rubio, for starters…

  90. #90
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Speaking of RINOs, John “Juan Amnestia” McCain complained that Congressional Dems have killed bipartisanship this year.

    And Harry Reid takes a slap at one of the best friends in the GOP the Dems have ever had…

    For someone who campaigned on ‘Country First’ and claims to take great pride in bipartisanship, it’s absolutely bizarre for Senator McCain to tell the American people he is going to take his ball and go home until the next election. He must be living in some parallel universe because the fact is, with very few exceptions, we’ve gotten very little cooperation from Senate Republicans in recent years.

    At a time when our economy is suffering and we’re fighting two wars, the American people need Senator McCain and his fellow Republicans to start working with us to confront the challenges facing our country—not reiterating their constant opposition to helping working families when they need it most.

  91. #91
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm, jrgdds said:

    I’ve already gave to JD. I also gave at Fire Nancy Pelosi.com

  92. #92
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 3:59 pm, Flyoverman said:

    the federal government having told the mis-guided states that they can either shut up, or have all federal funding cut off.

    Funding is a two way street. ;)

  93. #93
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 4:01 pm, dadinseattle said:

    It should be clear that yesterdays vote was a near fatal stake in the heart of capitalism, the final stake will be “cap and tax” in case there is any signs of life, or that free enterprise will survive. The pundits will all claim in no way is it that serious, yes it is.
    All the industries and corporations that have been lining up nonstop cutting their secret deals for favoritism at the White House sold out any long term future viability to retain autonomy. Each of them have weakened capitalism.
    This is why the smile and gloating where so huge on the Democrats faces.
    Millions of new dependents that will vote to keep what they are handed.
    Making tens of millions more dependent on government is not enough, one must kill a competing system that threatens to reverse this,which is capitalism or free enterprise.
    Since managed or engineered economies always fail, and people rebel against the problems they cause eventually, only force can keep them in place. That force gets uglier and more brutal as time passes. People live in misery and die a lot faster.
    That is the history, and the future under the socialists.
    We can hope that these AG’s are successful, but our own resolve and love of liberty and the wish to pass this legacy onto our children is what will determine who ultimately wins.
    Freedom is not free, it must be defended always.

  94. #94
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm, wren said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 10:24 am, Pat said:
    Has Ahnold or our AG woken up yet in their gilded cages?

    To Pat:

    Since California’s Attorney General is Democrat Jerry Brown who is currently running for Governor in the 2010 election, it is highly unlikely that he will be challenging the health care bill on behalf of California.

    Besides, California is gloating today that California stands to gain the most money from the health bill.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/03/22/MN0L1CIJ56.DTL&tsp=1
    So taxpayers in the other 49 states now know where their tax dollars will be spent.

    Fortunately, John C. Eastman is running to replace Jerry Brown as California’s Attorney General in 2010.

    Here is the link to John Eastman’s campaign web site:
    http://www.eastmanforag.com/

    Here is a link to a column by John Eastman that describes his position on the constitutional issues related to the health bill.

    “Slaughtering” the Constitution by John C. Eastman
    http://www.flashreport.org/featured-columns-library0b.php?faID=2010032210512404

    This is a wake up call that it is crucial to pay close attention to the races for Attorney General in 2010.

    Please let us all know who is running for Attorney General and Governor in your states!

    The health reform bill needs to be a huge issue in all of our State races in the Primary and General elections in 2010!

  95. #95
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    I don’t know what “parallel universe” Harry Reid is living in but Americans are fighting three wars: One in Afghanistan, one in Iraq and One in DC against the Marxists led by Harry Reid. He should have known that after 40,000 of us gathered on his front step on Saturday…

  96. #96
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 4:25 pm, John Deaux said:

    We’re razing the shining city on a hill to make way for a level playing field.

  97. #97
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 4:26 pm, jrgdds said:

    Link fixed: Fire Nancy Pelosi.com

  98. #98
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 5:11 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    For someone who campaigned on ‘Country First’ and claims to take great pride in bipartisanship, it’s absolutely bizarre for Senator McCain to tell the American people he is going to take his ball and go home until the next election. He must be living in some parallel universe because the fact is, with very few exceptions, we’ve gotten very little cooperation from Senate Republicans in recent years.

    And people who don’t look at this statement and say…

    “Well dip sh*&^. Your bills poison America. What patriotic American would knowingly take part in such a heinous act as those you are commiting.”

    …must be living in an alternate reality.

  99. #99
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 5:16 pm, SirKnob said:

    #115
    I can go for that ‘fire Nanny Pelosi’ thing, as long as it is out of a cannon, preferably aimed at the middle of the Pacific. I would say the Taliban, but even I wouldn’t wish her on them. After all, one has to have compassion :-)

  100. #100
    On March 22nd, 2010 at 5:23 pm, granite said:

    On March 22nd, 2010 at 4:01 pm, dadinseattle said:

    Agreed.

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